The interesting part is: That's not only about a technical change. It will have huge impact on society, at least over some time, since self-responsibility will be a much more important requirement than it seems to be now. A guy with a portfolio with 10 or more different assets needs to handle more informations and to think more to adjust his values smart than somebody with a bank-account for Dollar or Euro or whatever. And while the focus of the Crypto-space is still very much about the technical side, about the question how to make it possible for average people to use Cryptocurrencies easy and safe, the question how to get and handle informations to become really self-responsible will be much more interesting.
And Lykke - It's maybe not that obvious/visible yet, but this project will be a great school, a very educational project for everybody who will use it seriously instead of using it out of short-term-greed and like a casino. But, that's also a choice ;-)
If a stable and decentralized (at least partially) ctyptocurrency appears with a good market cap and liquidity it can be a huge incentive for a wider crypto currencies adoption and use in the traditional economy. Right! And I believe that will come. And maybe it will even be Bitcoin. But of course, first it needs to scale. With higher adoption, more professional markets, more acceptance of businesses etc. it's also likely that the volatility would decrease. If Bitcoin shouldn't scale on the other hand, it's likely in my opinion, that there will be another currency that will take over. But I'm speaking of years not any time soon. What also can be expected is that states will issue currencies on the blockchain. But that's nothing I personally would feel to good with since it's predictable that it would also be used to track money - and people. And most likely it would be like Fiat on the Blockchain --> centralized decisions about the money-supply. Hopefully there will also be a really good untraceable currency as "Cash-represantation" then. Maybe Monero or Zcash or something even more advanced. But in that case it's predictable that the media will do it's best to talk about drugs and terrorism and money-laundering - like it was and is still done with Bitcoin. |
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eine frage die mir gekommen ist: wo kann ich auf einen blick sehen, was zbsp. mein btc deposit aktuell in fiat wert ist? für lkk gehe ich auf "my lykke" und alles ist da, aber andere assests in fiat? eigentlich muss das doch eine standard funktion sein, oder verpasse ich was? danke
Das scheint momentan nur unter "Private Wallets" zu gehen. In der App gibt es ja die "Trading Wallet" die in gewisser Weise wie ein Börsen-Account ist, und den Bereich "Private". Dort kann man u.a. auch Cold-Wallets anlegen. Und dort wird jeweils angezeigt was man hält, also z.B. Bitcoin, und der jeweilige Gegenwert der unter "Exchange" markiert ist - etwa EUR. Die App wird sich aber noch verändern. Es ist extrem schwer viele Funktionen auf eine Art unterzubringen dass es intuitiv bleibt anstatt überladen und/oder kompliziert zu werden. Worauf viele natürlich warten und was auch kommen wird: Web-based-terminal. Da wird es dann leichter sein alle Infos auf einen Blick unterzubringen. danke. gibts irgendwo eine genauere erklärung was die private wallets genau machen und wie sie funktionieren? Ich glaube, es gibt bisher keine Erklärung die ich verlinken könnte. Das Private-Wallet-Feature wurde nachträglich implementiert glaube ich. Mal in meinen Worten: Die Trading-Wallet ist eine Multi-Signature-Wallet. Das heißt, dass der User einen Key hat und Lykke hat den anderen. Sollte Lykke also gehacked werden, kann der Hacker trotzdem nichts transferieren weil der andere Key fehlt. Umgekehrt, sollte der User gehackt werden gibt es einen Refund-Mechanismus nach 30 Tagen. Dafür gibt es auch Erklärungen: https://lykke.com/city/blog/2016-07-14/lykkemultisignaturewalletsIm Gegensatz dazu ist die private Wallet unabhängig zur Börse, so als würde man z.B. Bitcoin in eine andere Wallet transferieren. Außerdem ist es möglich kalte Adressen anzulegen. Dazu kann man offline gehen, die 12 seed-Worte notieren während man offline ist und erst dann wieder online gehen um die Adresse zu generieren. Um transferieren zu können muss man dann die 12-Worte eingeben um die Adresse zu "defrozen" - ich weiß, das Wort gibts vermutlich nicht ;-) |
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eine frage die mir gekommen ist: wo kann ich auf einen blick sehen, was zbsp. mein btc deposit aktuell in fiat wert ist? für lkk gehe ich auf "my lykke" und alles ist da, aber andere assests in fiat? eigentlich muss das doch eine standard funktion sein, oder verpasse ich was? danke
Das scheint momentan nur unter "Private Wallets" zu gehen. In der App gibt es ja die "Trading Wallet" die in gewisser Weise wie ein Börsen-Account ist, und den Bereich "Private". Dort kann man u.a. auch Cold-Wallets anlegen. Und dort wird jeweils angezeigt was man hält, also z.B. Bitcoin, und der jeweilige Gegenwert der unter "Exchange" markiert ist - etwa EUR. Die App wird sich aber noch verändern. Es ist extrem schwer viele Funktionen auf eine Art unterzubringen dass es intuitiv bleibt anstatt überladen und/oder kompliziert zu werden. Worauf viele natürlich warten und was auch kommen wird: Web-based-terminal. Da wird es dann leichter sein alle Infos auf einen Blick unterzubringen. |
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Thank god. Someone with sense. Bitcoin is certiantly not jesus. Is grandma using bitcoin, is the average forex trader or swing trader using bitcoin, the soccer mom? Nope.
Bitcoin has its use. So did the Ford model T
I also have some doubts if Bitcoin will stay on top. But I have no doubts, that Cryptocurrencies will play a huge role and even if it's not that obvious yet: It will most likely be a threat for local fiat-currencies, simply because assets on the blockchain will give choice. And with choice also comes self-responsibility. I believe that people will use portfolios instead of single currencies in future. Bitcoin can be included but also company shares of software licenses - pretty much everything. The interesting part is: That's not only about a technical change. It will have huge impact on society, at least over some time, since self-responsibility will be a much more important requirement than it seems to be now. A guy with a portfolio with 10 or more different assets needs to handle more informations and to think more to adjust his values smart than somebody with a bank-account for Dollar or Euro or whatever. And while the focus of the Crypto-space is still very much about the technical side, about the question how to make it possible for average people to use Cryptocurrencies easy and safe, the question how to get and handle informations to become really self-responsible will be much more interesting. And Lykke - It's maybe not that obvious/visible yet, but this project will be a great school, a very educational project for everybody who will use it seriously instead of using it out of short-term-greed and like a casino. But, that's also a choice ;-) |
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You compare ripple vs lykke. What about the similarity between bitshares and lykke?
Bitshares is a trading platform too, completely decentralized. In bitshares you can create any asset you want, BitUSD, bitEUR, BITgold, bitAppleshare, bit whatever you can think of. The only problem with bitshares is the low liquidity but that may change soon, the chart of bitshares is getting tight, I expect a bitshares pump. If bitshares suddenly becomes very liquid, what it will be of lykke?
I can't say much about Bitshares because I only know very basic things about the project. Reason is mostly the price itself. I've seen it rising in 2014 when I was pretty new to all this (before I was focused only on Bitcoin) but since that time it seemed only to go down and it's superficial of course but I always assumed a serious reason for the downfall and the lack of adoption. I really like the DPOS-concept but otherwise I'm not so sure if it's effective or if it's maybe too complex. What I wonder about is: If it would be something like the "best Algo", why is it not used by many others like Ethereum? I know that there are projects with similar design but still not many. But either way it's different to Lykke. Bitshares is fully decentralized as far as I know. That has advantages of course but also some disadvantages. Lykke has decentralized settlement and a central matching engine to combine the best of both. It ensures direct ownership but also that everything is possible what is possible on high-speed exchanges. And Lykke will be much more professional than Crypto-exchanges as we know them - most likely more like Oanda. I don't know much about Bitshares either but the problem it's very simple, I think they don't have fiat gateways/payments. Lykke being a full fledge company and located in Switzerland aims to bring all people on board with a simple KYC approach. Bitshares seems to be for crypto nerds only, as many of these projects and we are scattered around many sites and coins. Most crypto fans think it's so easy to have BTC or to even have access to BTC, why would you need to buy BTC to then buy other assets? You are just losing money, people just don't get it but that how most of these projects work. So fiat gateways are the top priority here, however that's very hard to achieve, many promise they can pull it off, like Waves for example, which could also be compared and Ripple was eventually considered to be a digital marketplace like this. If you check Gatehub they offer some assets and some gateways. Yes, I believe the problem is: If there is a totally decentralized exchange, that completely runs over the blockchain, it may be harder to get the license it would need to connect with banks. And banks are needed when it's about Fiat, since tokens on the blockchain only represent Fiat that is stored on bank-accounts. But I'm only guessing here. In general I believe it will come as well - fully decentralized exchanges with Fiat-access. But they won't be as fast as Lykke.
I think what mostly separates Lykke from this is that it's an hybrid of centralized and decentralized approaches as tempus said, so far it works flawlessly and it is very intuitive, these two things may seem irrelevant for the average crypto user but they may be the most important aspects for blockchain companies to make it and be successful. I also see the comparison with Factom tempus mentioned, the project itself isn't that much complicated, I'm sure an engineer or very experienced dev can implement the op_return option and register data for a company in either Ethereum or Bitcoin blockchain. But Factom, similar to Lykke are actually aiming to create a product they can use and consume, make a bridge to the old ways, guiding old industries and business. This is similar to the old Apple debate about Wozniak and Jobs, the only way to bring technology to the average consumer is to make it friendlier, easier, fun to use. Most engineers and developers live in their own little world and are just waiting for people to discover and improve the by tech themselves.
The problem I see so far with Lykke in this early stage is that many people won't use an app for trading, so a desktop/web version could be the killer app here (I know it's coming soon). If they add more assets and options with time (I know they will) I'll definitely move most of my trading to them in a second.
Very true what you say about the App! My impression really is that people who download and use it like it, and recognize how great it's designed (great example for useful-design) but also: Many who know the project but not much about it seem to think of Lykke as "nice App" or even just "Smartphone-Wallet-Provider" while missing the point about what Lykke will be about and what it will make possible. But, like you say: Desktob/Web-Version could become a killer App not only because many will find it more practical, but also because of the more psychological effect. It will make visible what this is about. And that in combination with Ethereum-implementation, US-regulation, some good news from the business-front, first steps into Payment and Debit Card - won't be easy to ignore Lykke. ;-) Why you need lykke or bitshares to connect with banks? Bitcoin is already connected to banks, you can trade bitshares in their exchange (BITusd/BITeur for example), then whatever you traded and profit there exchange it to bitcoin and sell your bitcoins for your national currency in your local or national bitcoin exchange. SO why withdraw USD from lykke exchange if you can withdraw BTC and then you sell your btc in your national bitcoin exchange. Lykke will take days to complete the withdraw to my bank as is a International transfer, while selling my bitcoin in my national exchange will deposit the $ to my bank account the same day. But you can only sell your Bitcoin on the exchange you usually use because they are connected with a bank. And Lykke will not only be connected with one bank, but the goal is to be licensed and connected into the financial system all over the world to ensure high flexibility and high speed of all involved processes. You can think of Lykke as a combination of the best of both worlds, at the same time a little bit like a very fast revolving door between the "systems". And if you look on their Roadmap: It will also be about Lykke as payment-system and about Lykke Debit-Cards etc.. In short: Lykke will make much more possible than most people believe right now. It's not only be about being a crypto-exchange. And one major focus is also on forex-trading of course. For those who doesn't know yet: The CEO of Lykke, Richard Olsen, is Co-founder and former CEO of the forex-platform https://www.oanda.com. |
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The Exodus-Wallet is really like a missing piece in the puzzle, perfect complementary to offline-storage. Above I've posted some screenshot how easy it is to get a private key imported (to be fair: It's also very easy with the Factom-Wallet, but Exodus is faster because it doesn't need to sync).
When is the testing suppose to be done? Anxious to try out the wallet ... My infos are that they want to test it for about two weeks and the release will be in March. Since testing goes very well it's hopefully early march. |
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I haven't read a lot about Exodus but I also don't understand why I should put my fct into Exodus. It is a desktop wallet? Why should it be more safe than a professional exchange like polo? Im open for other arguments...
Ive heard a podcast from McAffee and he is saying that ONLY a hard wallet with a OWN display is 100% safe. Everything else can be hacked. I wait until Trezor is adding Factom...
I'm also one of the testers and can give you my view on it, how I plan to use it. First: If you store funds on an exchange you don't have the private keys but they have. That's the most important aspect. Second: I personally don't feel safe to store funds in any case on an online-device. I wouldn't use the Factom-wallet to store FCT and I also won't use exodus to store FCT. What I did in the past, and with exodus it's much more fluent in future: I generate a keypair offline, whenever I buy Factoids I send those to a cold-address and I only import a private key if I want to do a transaction - let's say back to Poloniex. Why is Exodus so good? Because it's fast. I don't need to download the blockchain and wait until it's fully synced. I just open the wallet, type in or copy-paste the private key, funds show up and are ready to transact. Even if my device would be compromised, a potential hacker wouldn't be fast enough. And in any case, also if funds are stored on a computer with exodus, it's much safer than storing it on any exchange. That's really something I wouldn't ever do when it's about more money. The number of hacked exchanges is much too high to ever feel safe and the Bitfinex-hack has proved that even exchanges with very good reputation are vulnerable. You convinced me tempus. I always like your approach on analyzing stuff. The Exodus-Wallet is really like a missing piece in the puzzle, perfect complementary to offline-storage. Above I've posted some screenshot how easy it is to get a private key imported (to be fair: It's also very easy with the Factom-Wallet, but Exodus is faster because it doesn't need to sync). |
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Private-Key-Import with Exodus on Mac. Very easy and very fast:
 And btw: Transactions in seconds.You'll love it! Promise!
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Ich glaube der einzige der hier noch eine entsprechende Bewertung über Lykke abgeben kann ist Worldcoiner, welcher einer der ersten in Lykke investiert hat. Die Kooperation die mit Lykke entstanden ist, ist schon mehr als bemerkenswert, dadurch hat das Projekt eine entpsrechende Seriösität und Aufwertung erhalten. Die Frage ist, lohnt es sich noch? oder ist die mögliche Gewinnmarge nur noch maginal.
Ich denke eigentlich nicht, dass es in Sachen Seriösität große Zweifel geben konnte oder kann, da das Team einfach sehr seriös und professionell ist, Qualität abliefert und sehr transparent agiert. Die Frage inwiefern es sich noch lohnt ist grundlegend die Frage wie man das Potential des Projekts einschätzt. Als ich investierte (ICO September-Oktober 2016) war mein erster Eindruck, dass die Bewertung relativ hoch ist. Aber dann dachte ich: Angenommen Lykke hätte es auf die in Crypto übliche Art gemacht: 1. Whitepaper plus Marketing plus ICO 2. Wartezeit 3. Token-Launch ohne eigene Plattform auf z.B. Poloniex 4. Development plus Releases Ich glaube, dass der Kurs spätestens mit der App explodiert wäre. Denn wenn man Lykke mit anderen Projekten vergleicht die auf etwas Ähnliches abzielen, ist es einfach deutlich voraus und ich kann nicht oft genug betonen: Das Team ist einfach wirklich top. Je mehr Einblick ich bekomme, denn ich bin ja normalerweise auch nur "Von-Außen-Beobachter", desto klarer wird mir auch das es das wirklich braucht, bzw. das es deutlich mehr braucht als "nur" gute Programmierer. Und auch die hat Lykke ja. Zukunft und Preisentwicklung betreffend: Wovon ich im Bestfall ausgehe ist, dass mit dem was in den nächsten Monaten kommen wird, von Desktop-App bis Regulierungserfolgen über dem was auf der Plattform möglich sein wird (wie schon gesagt, Margin Trading schon sehr bald) plus Forex plus Business-Deals usw. die Anzahl der User und das Volumen deutlich zunehmen werden. Denn es geht hier ja auch nicht nur um Crypto sondern auch um Forex-trading und mit einem der zwei Oanda-Gründer an der Spitze ist Lykke keinesfalls unattraktiv für Forex-Trader. Dazu kommen dann immer mehr Listings und wohl auch Crowdfundings, Lykke wird sich auch weiter in Richtung "Payment" entwickeln, inklusive Debit-Card wie etwa Xapo usw. Der Kurs kann also durchaus deutlich zulegen. Listing auf anderen Börsen ist übrigens auch geplant. Der Punkt dabei ist: Ich sagte "Bestfall"... und den Begriff beziehe ich eigentlich v.a. auf den zeitlichen Faktor, also im Sinne von "schnell" was wiederum natürlich nicht "nächste Woche" heißt. Es wird also mit einiger Sicherheit keine Kursexplosion in Kürze geben. Aber mittel- bis langfristig ist das Potential m.A.n. schon wirklich sehr hoch. Und was mir persönlich am Wichtigsten ist: Verlust ist relativ unwahrscheinlich, zumindest im Vergleich mit anderen Projekten in diesem Bereich. Das Team wird nicht einfach überfordert oder aus Geldmangel aufgeben, sondern immer weiter gehen. Und solange das hohe Niveau gehalten wird, sehe ich sehr wenig Gründe zur Besorgnis. Da es logischerweise auch innerhalb eines Projekts wie Lykke eine Lernkurve gibt, gehe ich sogar von Steigerung des gesamten Niveaus aus. Lykke wird mit der Zeit noch professioneller und anpassungsfähiger werden, da das Team ja sehr auf jedes mögliche Feedback achtet und auch sehr schnell darauf reagiert. Vielen Dank für die gelungene Zusammenfassung @tempus, du hast viele interessante Punke angesprochen die mir in der Form nicht bekannt waren. Ich muss einräumen, dass ich Lykke bereits als überfinaziert halte und von daher eher kleinere, interessante Projekte vorziehe, nicht zuletzt weil mir auch das Geschäftsmodel/Einnahmen bislang sehr "theoretisch" erscheint, ich muss aber auch zugeben das ich mich nicht alzusehr in diese Materie eingelesen habe. Deshalb danke nochmals für deine Zusammenfassung und auf Worldcoiners Blogbeitrag freue ich mich ebenfalls. Nichts zu danken! Und ja, wäre schön wenn Worldcoiner was über Lykke schreiben würde! Eines habe ich übrigens in meiner Zusammenfassung vergessen, während es ein m.A.n. bedeutender Aspekt sein wird. Im englischen Thread hat es heute jemand so formuliert: "The problem I see so far with Lykke in this early stage is that many people won't use an app for trading, so a desktop/web version could be the killer app here (I know it's coming soon). If they add more assets and options with time (I know they will) I'll definitely move most of my trading to them in a second."Und das ist etwas wovon ich ebenfalls ausgehe: Sobald Lykke nicht mehr nur über die App erreichbar ist, sondern auch wirklich aussieht wie ne Trading-Plattform, möglicherweise eine Mischung aus Oanda und Multi-Crypto auf High-Speed, wird das vermutlich schon großen Eindruck machen und viele User anziehen. |
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ach herr tempus kommt aus d-land ...... ich dachte es mir noch fast Jep... Berlin. Wohne gar nicht so weit von der Lisk-Mannschaft entfernt (Potsdamer Platz). |
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You compare ripple vs lykke. What about the similarity between bitshares and lykke?
Bitshares is a trading platform too, completely decentralized. In bitshares you can create any asset you want, BitUSD, bitEUR, BITgold, bitAppleshare, bit whatever you can think of. The only problem with bitshares is the low liquidity but that may change soon, the chart of bitshares is getting tight, I expect a bitshares pump. If bitshares suddenly becomes very liquid, what it will be of lykke?
I can't say much about Bitshares because I only know very basic things about the project. Reason is mostly the price itself. I've seen it rising in 2014 when I was pretty new to all this (before I was focused only on Bitcoin) but since that time it seemed only to go down and it's superficial of course but I always assumed a serious reason for the downfall and the lack of adoption. I really like the DPOS-concept but otherwise I'm not so sure if it's effective or if it's maybe too complex. What I wonder about is: If it would be something like the "best Algo", why is it not used by many others like Ethereum? I know that there are projects with similar design but still not many. But either way it's different to Lykke. Bitshares is fully decentralized as far as I know. That has advantages of course but also some disadvantages. Lykke has decentralized settlement and a central matching engine to combine the best of both. It ensures direct ownership but also that everything is possible what is possible on high-speed exchanges. And Lykke will be much more professional than Crypto-exchanges as we know them - most likely more like Oanda. I don't know much about Bitshares either but the problem it's very simple, I think they don't have fiat gateways/payments. Lykke being a full fledge company and located in Switzerland aims to bring all people on board with a simple KYC approach. Bitshares seems to be for crypto nerds only, as many of these projects and we are scattered around many sites and coins. Most crypto fans think it's so easy to have BTC or to even have access to BTC, why would you need to buy BTC to then buy other assets? You are just losing money, people just don't get it but that how most of these projects work. So fiat gateways are the top priority here, however that's very hard to achieve, many promise they can pull it off, like Waves for example, which could also be compared and Ripple was eventually considered to be a digital marketplace like this. If you check Gatehub they offer some assets and some gateways. Yes, I believe the problem is: If there is a totally decentralized exchange, that completely runs over the blockchain, it may be harder to get the license it would need to connect with banks. And banks are needed when it's about Fiat, since tokens on the blockchain only represent Fiat that is stored on bank-accounts. But I'm only guessing here. In general I believe it will come as well - fully decentralized exchanges with Fiat-access. But they won't be as fast as Lykke.
I think what mostly separates Lykke from this is that it's an hybrid of centralized and decentralized approaches as tempus said, so far it works flawlessly and it is very intuitive, these two things may seem irrelevant for the average crypto user but they may be the most important aspects for blockchain companies to make it and be successful. I also see the comparison with Factom tempus mentioned, the project itself isn't that much complicated, I'm sure an engineer or very experienced dev can implement the op_return option and register data for a company in either Ethereum or Bitcoin blockchain. But Factom, similar to Lykke are actually aiming to create a product they can use and consume, make a bridge to the old ways, guiding old industries and business. This is similar to the old Apple debate about Wozniak and Jobs, the only way to bring technology to the average consumer is to make it friendlier, easier, fun to use. Most engineers and developers live in their own little world and are just waiting for people to discover and improve the by tech themselves.
The problem I see so far with Lykke in this early stage is that many people won't use an app for trading, so a desktop/web version could be the killer app here (I know it's coming soon). If they add more assets and options with time (I know they will) I'll definitely move most of my trading to them in a second.
Very true what you say about the App! My impression really is that people who download and use it like it, and recognize how great it's designed (great example for useful-design) but also: Many who know the project but not much about it seem to think of Lykke as "nice App" or even just "Smartphone-Wallet-Provider" while missing the point about what Lykke will be about and what it will make possible. But, like you say: Desktob/Web-Version could become a killer App not only because many will find it more practical, but also because of the more psychological effect. It will make visible what this is about. And that in combination with Ethereum-implementation, US-regulation, some good news from the business-front, first steps into Payment and Debit Card - won't be easy to ignore Lykke. ;-) |
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I haven't read a lot about Exodus but I also don't understand why I should put my fct into Exodus. It is a desktop wallet? Why should it be more safe than a professional exchange like polo? Im open for other arguments...
Ive heard a podcast from McAffee and he is saying that ONLY a hard wallet with a OWN display is 100% safe. Everything else can be hacked. I wait until Trezor is adding Factom...
I'm also one of the testers and can give you my view on it, how I plan to use it. First: If you store funds on an exchange you don't have the private keys but they have. That's the most important aspect. Second: I personally don't feel safe to store funds in any case on an online-device. I wouldn't use the Factom-wallet to store FCT and I also won't use exodus to store FCT. What I did in the past, and with exodus it's much more fluent in future: I generate a keypair offline, whenever I buy Factoids I send those to a cold-address and I only import a private key if I want to do a transaction - let's say back to Poloniex. Why is Exodus so good? Because it's fast. I don't need to download the blockchain and wait until it's fully synced. I just open the wallet, type in or copy-paste the private key, funds show up and are ready to transact. Even if my device would be compromised, a potential hacker wouldn't be fast enough. And in any case, also if funds are stored on a computer with exodus, it's much safer than storing it on any exchange. That's really something I wouldn't ever do when it's about more money. The number of hacked exchanges is much too high to ever feel safe and the Bitfinex-hack has proved that even exchanges with very good reputation are vulnerable. |
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Ich glaube der einzige der hier noch eine entsprechende Bewertung über Lykke abgeben kann ist Worldcoiner, welcher einer der ersten in Lykke investiert hat. Die Kooperation die mit Lykke entstanden ist, ist schon mehr als bemerkenswert, dadurch hat das Projekt eine entpsrechende Seriösität und Aufwertung erhalten. Die Frage ist, lohnt es sich noch? oder ist die mögliche Gewinnmarge nur noch maginal.
Ich denke eigentlich nicht, dass es in Sachen Seriösität große Zweifel geben konnte oder kann, da das Team einfach sehr seriös und professionell ist, Qualität abliefert und sehr transparent agiert. Die Frage inwiefern es sich noch lohnt ist grundlegend die Frage wie man das Potential des Projekts einschätzt. Als ich investierte (ICO September-Oktober 2016) war mein erster Eindruck, dass die Bewertung relativ hoch ist. Aber dann dachte ich: Angenommen Lykke hätte es auf die in Crypto übliche Art gemacht: 1. Whitepaper plus Marketing plus ICO 2. Wartezeit 3. Token-Launch ohne eigene Plattform auf z.B. Poloniex 4. Development plus Releases Ich glaube, dass der Kurs spätestens mit der App explodiert wäre. Denn wenn man Lykke mit anderen Projekten vergleicht die auf etwas Ähnliches abzielen, ist es einfach deutlich voraus und ich kann nicht oft genug betonen: Das Team ist einfach wirklich top. Je mehr Einblick ich bekomme, denn ich bin ja normalerweise auch nur "Von-Außen-Beobachter", desto klarer wird mir auch das es das wirklich braucht, bzw. das es deutlich mehr braucht als "nur" gute Programmierer. Und auch die hat Lykke ja. Zukunft und Preisentwicklung betreffend: Wovon ich im Bestfall ausgehe ist, dass mit dem was in den nächsten Monaten kommen wird, von Desktop-App bis Regulierungserfolgen über dem was auf der Plattform möglich sein wird (wie schon gesagt, Margin Trading schon sehr bald) plus Forex plus Business-Deals usw. die Anzahl der User und das Volumen deutlich zunehmen werden. Denn es geht hier ja auch nicht nur um Crypto sondern auch um Forex-trading und mit einem der zwei Oanda-Gründer an der Spitze ist Lykke keinesfalls unattraktiv für Forex-Trader. Dazu kommen dann immer mehr Listings und wohl auch Crowdfundings, Lykke wird sich auch weiter in Richtung "Payment" entwickeln, inklusive Debit-Card wie etwa Xapo usw. Der Kurs kann also durchaus deutlich zulegen. Listing auf anderen Börsen ist übrigens auch geplant. Der Punkt dabei ist: Ich sagte "Bestfall"... und den Begriff beziehe ich eigentlich v.a. auf den zeitlichen Faktor, also im Sinne von "schnell" was wiederum natürlich nicht "nächste Woche" heißt. Es wird also mit einiger Sicherheit keine Kursexplosion in Kürze geben. Aber mittel- bis langfristig ist das Potential m.A.n. schon wirklich sehr hoch. Und was mir persönlich am Wichtigsten ist: Verlust ist relativ unwahrscheinlich, zumindest im Vergleich mit anderen Projekten in diesem Bereich. Das Team wird nicht einfach überfordert oder aus Geldmangel aufgeben, sondern immer weiter gehen. Und solange das hohe Niveau gehalten wird, sehe ich sehr wenig Gründe zur Besorgnis. Da es logischerweise auch innerhalb eines Projekts wie Lykke eine Lernkurve gibt, gehe ich sogar von Steigerung des gesamten Niveaus aus. Lykke wird mit der Zeit noch professioneller und anpassungsfähiger werden, da das Team ja sehr auf jedes mögliche Feedback achtet und auch sehr schnell darauf reagiert. |
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But I have a question, if I have a seed to a mobile wallet, but I lost it, I can in the mobile wallet to recover seed, or generate a new one? I have not seen this feature in your wallet, maybe I'm missing anything.
Just to clarify: It's not about using the seed to recover a lost wallet but about getting a new seed, right? The purpose of the seed is security, to make it possible that one can recover a wallet in case of loss or a damaged phone or even theft. That's why it's not possible as far as I know to get a new seed of an existing App. What I would maybe do in such a situation is to send funds to another wallet and to make a fresh installation of the Lykke-App. But I will ask if there is a more elegant way. What I wrote above is not correct. It is possible. If the user still has access to the wallet (password or already logged in) he can get a new seed this way: Settings->Backup private key
But these will be the same 12 words as the first time |
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But I have a question, if I have a seed to a mobile wallet, but I lost it, I can in the mobile wallet to recover seed, or generate a new one? I have not seen this feature in your wallet, maybe I'm missing anything.
Just to clarify: It's not about using the seed to recover a lost wallet but about getting a new seed, right? The purpose of the seed is security, to make it possible that one can recover a wallet in case of loss or a damaged phone or even theft. That's why it's not possible as far as I know to get a new seed of an existing App. What I would maybe do in such a situation is to send funds to another wallet and to make a fresh installation of the Lykke-App. But I will ask if there is a more elegant way. |
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You compare ripple vs lykke. What about the similarity between bitshares and lykke?
Bitshares is a trading platform too, completely decentralized. In bitshares you can create any asset you want, BitUSD, bitEUR, BITgold, bitAppleshare, bit whatever you can think of. The only problem with bitshares is the low liquidity but that may change soon, the chart of bitshares is getting tight, I expect a bitshares pump. If bitshares suddenly becomes very liquid, what it will be of lykke?
I can't say much about Bitshares because I only know very basic things about the project. Reason is mostly the price itself. I've seen it rising in 2014 when I was pretty new to all this (before I was focused only on Bitcoin) but since that time it seemed only to go down and it's superficial of course but I always assumed a serious reason for the downfall and the lack of adoption. I really like the DPOS-concept but otherwise I'm not so sure if it's effective or if it's maybe too complex. What I wonder about is: If it would be something like the "best Algo", why is it not used by many others like Ethereum? I know that there are projects with similar design but still not many. But either way it's different to Lykke. Bitshares is fully decentralized as far as I know. That has advantages of course but also some disadvantages. Lykke has decentralized settlement and a central matching engine to combine the best of both. It ensures direct ownership but also that everything is possible what is possible on high-speed exchanges. And Lykke will be much more professional than Crypto-exchanges as we know them - most likely more like Oanda. |
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What is the purchase process for the forward? Unlike the ICO there is near zero explanation. We don't even know if the purchase will require using the Lykke wallet and what payment methods are accepted.
The process in short is this way: After clicking "commit" here: https://forward.lykke.com1. A (potential) Investor gives in his infos and the amount he would like to invest, let's say in $ 2. One of the infos is "EMAIL USED TO REGISTER THE LYKKE WALLET" --> so yes, it needs the Lykke-App 3. Somebody of Lykke will take contact per mail. Currently there are only Fiat-currencies to let Lykke know how much somebody wants to invest, but if one wants to buy with Bitcoin it's also possible. I believe the reason why it's not an automated process yet, is because the decision to do a crowdfunding open for potentially everybody was made just a short time before the Lykke-Talk in Zurich. Or with other words: It would have been not fair to offer only an opportunity only to those who were at the conference but nobody else. That's why I call it "Ninja-Crowdfunding" ;-) But I agree, the explanations could be better and I've already let them know that some things would be good to improve. It's not a usual crowdfunding, also no big announcement some time before in combination with more marketing efforts. Richard Olsen told me that he sees it as kind of a "test run", to find out if there is demand for this kind of financial instrument, because what can be purchased here is in fact a "contract-token" - with the feature to push the 365 trigger whenever somebody choses to do so, or even never, but to trade it as collateral for LKK once margin trading will be enabled. |
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