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1141  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will the Bitcoin price be in 2020? on: July 05, 2019, 10:24:55 AM
$70k would be the most to expect this bull-run.

What is that based on?

I don't think the diminishing gains with each passing cycle will continue. If mass adoption is coming and institutions are lining their portfolios with BTC, do you really think we'll stop at 3-4x the last ATH?

There's only 21 million coins and time is running out. Smiley

Do you really see a 600% increase within 4 months happening?
Please try to realize how much money is needed to go to $70k let alone $100k which is also a mental barrier.
People tend to loose their heads in this Bitcoin goldrush.

There are many exponential graphs and the BETI index that suggest $70k is achievable. $100k not so much.
1142  Economy / Speculation / Re: Popular Crypto Trader says “Bitcoin is likely to hit $60k+ this coming uptrend”. on: July 04, 2019, 09:09:11 PM
40k to 70k is the range

Got a chart or some reasoning, or just your gut? Seems pretty low to me.

I figure if the log trend continues, then based on extrapolating from past extensions above the previous ATH we're looking at $140K-$150K. That's just based on 2 data points though (2013 and 2017).

My thinking based on the mass/institutional adoption scenario and speculation based on Bitcoin's extraordinary scarcity, is that we will blow these extrapolations out of the water. The reality still hasn't sunk in for most of the investing public. The S-curve hasn't swung vertical yet. But I think it will, and it's possible it happens in the next bubble.

TA1:
There is an exponential chart that someone made that predicted $10k years before it happened. He was 4days off. I recall this predicting $72k

TA2:
The BETI index is low and this will hit $80k in December 2019.

Hunch:
After seeing many ATHs and halvings I have a feeling that a lot of people hit by the FOMO will want out at $20k so the $100k will take more time. Also halvings are usually on the low side of the exponential growth line.


So yes $40k-$70k is low but $100k will take significant money to reach.
I would love the $100k to happen  Cool
1143  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2019, 01:15:24 PM
You are wrong. The US monetary system (and the EU too) is debt based and made to work optimally under ever increasing debt.

No, I am not wrong.  Debt based fiat requires infinite growth to not collapse.  Without growth, interest rates would need to be set to zero, which is what we already have...and what Japan has had for a long time.  Interest rates are actually negative vs inflation.  Regardless, it's impossible for borrowing to not have a carrying cost.  Trying to nigger rig no carrying costs is just a temporary can kicking ploy that creates epic levels of malinvestment, which then implodes the system in a much bigger crash than having just left interest rates at their normal levels.

You then run into another problem.  The monetary unit literally is debt.  Interest generating loans and the currency itself (which also generates interest) are erroneously classified as assets and used as collateral when debt is always a liability and never collateral.  The prolonged 0% interest rate is guaranteed to create a malinvestment bubble which will bust and create massive deflation and collapse the system when it does from all crosslinked loans going bad because the banks cannot handle any form of deflation.

But back to the carrying cost aspect.  Fiat dollars are considered assets because if you have enough of them, they can (at some times) generate a lot of interest for you.  If interest rates are zero because growth is impossible due to peak working age demographic in every nation that matters, and peak energy use - because energy is what powers the economy and the world doesn't have infinite energy to give - then fiat is no longer an asset and then turns into a liability.  Once fiat is a liability, the world is guaranteed to go back to physical metals regardless in almost every aspect.

I can mostly follow your reasoning.
In short "No inflation = no interest = less use of banks because no interest gains = less loans because of money short = downfall of economy".
An economy can only function if money moves around.
1144  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2019, 11:37:36 AM
There is also a highly likely scenario that Fort Knox and the Federal Reserve have a lot less gold in stock than is advertised.


And way more Tungsten than required.
Just ask the Germans (Gyrsur, are you around?) how long it took to take THEIR gold back to motherland.


I was told  that the rate they got their gold back was exactly the same as the some US goldmine Cheesy
* Probably a conspiracy story, but interesting *
1145  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: July 04, 2019, 11:30:23 AM
A Republican president posting on Twitter arguing America should convert to a communist command economy haha.



But it's not even his real motivation.  Debt is completely unserviceable and about to implode the whole system and he's giving some fake cover story for why he wants massive dollar devaluation.  The only three options are:

1)  Devalue the dollar to be literally worthless before the system blows up then everything goes on as normal with everyone still enslaved to the bankers and debt based fiat.  It would send some assets and physical metals to the moon and create hilarious levels of income equality.  Imagine the rich being 10x richer than now and people with no assets except some fiat becoming even poorer.  The nation would probably implode two days later.

2)  Go back to physical metals before the system blows up and revalue metals to the moon to cancel out the cascading deflationary collapse of all the banks from unserviceable debts

3)  Go back to physical metals after the system collapses and revalue metals to the moon to recapitalize the system

You are wrong. The US monetary system (and the EU too) is debt based and made to work optimally under ever increasing debt.
Check out the youtube video "The biggest scam in the history of mankind"

As long as people use and believe in the dollar they can keep printing (generating money). This requires politicians to do the acting game.

If you go back to the gold standard you will need to be accountable and have the gold on hand. Being accountable is not something politicians are good at ;-)
There is also a highly likely scenario that Fort Knox and the Federal Reserve have a lot less gold in stock than is advertised.


1146  Economy / Speculation / Re: Pompliano 75% Confident Bitcoin Price is $100,000 by End of 2021 on: July 04, 2019, 11:18:10 AM
If he is right I will refer to him as 'Anthony “Pump” PimpMyLambo'  Cool
1147  Economy / Speculation / Re: !!! Q3 game is life, Quarter 3 prediction game !!! on: July 04, 2019, 08:38:00 AM
Fuck ya'll. $1,000,000.

If you win we all win  Grin
1148  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will the Bitcoin price be in 2020? on: July 04, 2019, 08:04:42 AM
Year 2020 is a halving time for bitcoin and nobody will exactly know what the price at that time will be. Bitcoin might take a dip before and or on the day of halving because of uncertainty but uptrend may resume at a later date possibly with another all-time high. $100k is possible maybe several months after the halving if there is no negative unforeseen events coming along the way.

The halving is usually the lowest point in the exponential channel so yes $100k will be after the halving and after the next bear period.
$70k would be the most to expect this bull-run. However with the FOMO getting stronger (more peasants getting access to crypto) anything is possible.
1149  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why was $13,800 unsustainable? on: July 02, 2019, 09:37:30 PM

Just like you, there have been countless bears calling the top all the way up. And they have been wrong for months and months now. At $4K, at $6K, at $8K, at $10K......on Twitter, Tradingview, here.

Thank you paid troll,

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The weekly sample has some minor issues. "Copyright © *|CURRENT_YEAR|* *|LIST:COMPANY|*, All rights reserved. "  Wink
1150  Economy / Speculation / Re: Relax people. on: July 02, 2019, 05:40:34 PM
RIP $17 BTC  Cry
1151  Economy / Speculation / Re: !!! Q3 game is life, Quarter 3 prediction game !!! on: July 01, 2019, 10:24:23 AM
Let's be reasonable here...

1 BTC = $37331

 Cheesy Cool
1152  Economy / Speculation / Re: Relax people. on: July 01, 2019, 08:47:59 AM
Ladies and Gentlemen we are experiencing some turbulence.
Please put your chair and tray table in the upright position.
Weak hands may pussy out and leave the plane at any time.
Please use the rear doors, parachutes will be provided to you on exit.
All others please enjoy the in-flight entertainment.
 Cool
1153  Economy / Speculation / Re: !!! Q3 game is life, Quarter 3 prediction game !!! on: June 30, 2019, 11:09:53 PM
$15000
1154  Economy / Speculation / Re: Popular Crypto Trader says “Bitcoin is likely to hit $60k+ this coming uptrend”. on: June 30, 2019, 09:12:50 PM
40k to 70k is the range
1155  Economy / Speculation / Re: What will the Bitcoin price be in 2020? on: June 30, 2019, 04:06:05 PM
I see Bitcoin at least doubling the last ATH. So $40k to $70k.
$100k is too damn high (insert meme)  Cool
1156  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone here long enough? on: June 29, 2019, 09:08:25 PM
Being here for a long time may not necessarily mean such a person is a trader that can advise you what you are do with your investment plan. I will advise you that you should sell when people are greedy to buy particularly when prices are going in an upward direction.

You can buy on the way down if you are confident it will recover. But this remains speculation.
1157  Economy / Speculation / Re: Crypto Analyst Says Bitcoin (BTC) Price Could Hit $100,000 During Next Bull Run on: June 29, 2019, 05:51:04 AM
$100k or $800k doesn't matter a lot to me. I want facts, give me some substances, give me BTC/USD $40k at least...:p If you tell me Bitcoin will hit 1 million in 2075, I won't be alive anymore, who cares, Am I going to wait until I die? I would rather sell everything when it touches $200k.
I have plans IRL like everyone, to be a property owner and stuff like that you know. So at a time, I will sell no matter the price

800k that’d be great 😁
1158  Economy / Speculation / Re: Why was $13,800 unsustainable? on: June 29, 2019, 05:38:18 AM
Lol if $20 is breaking ya, you are small fry.

If you need 20$ for your advises it means that you are not good enough to earn from speculating on Bitcoin, so your advises are basically worthless.

I use LOGIC and NUMBERS to figure out my trading and holding strategies.

I also used logic in what I wrote above. Can you beat that?

But did you use NUMBERS? 🤣
1159  Economy / Speculation / Re: Anyone here long enough? on: June 28, 2019, 08:15:30 PM
HODLing since 2013  Cool

I can roughly predict the top and bottom after years of living through it.
If everyone is buying and price rises 40% in a week you got to run for the door.
If everyone is negative and there have been at least 4 mega >10% drop After the price is lower than half of the  ATH then buy.
1160  Economy / Speculation / Re: $1,000,000 would kill bitcoin on: June 28, 2019, 11:48:26 AM
Even $100,000 would kill it.  If 1 sat (or even 100 sat) == $1 then the fees would grind the system to a halt.  The fees would be so high relative to the amount sent, that it wouldn't be worth it.  From an investment perspective 1 sat==1$ is a nice round number.  From a users perspective, only being able to buy things divisible by 1$ is crap.  

What a crock of shit...

Bitcoin is divisible far far far beyond a Satoshi.

https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Help:FAQ#How_divisible_are_bitcoins.3F

"How divisible are bitcoins?
A bitcoin can be divided down to 8 decimal places. Therefore, 0.00000001 BTC is the smallest amount that can be handled in a transaction. If necessary, the protocol and related software can be modified to handle even smaller amounts."
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