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1261  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What are your reasons for adopting cryptocurrency? on: August 02, 2023, 04:36:09 PM
The major reason that brought me to cryptocurrency is to make money. It is after I have started to understand what cryptocurrency are that I saw other good things that cryptocurrency can be used for.

The categories of people attracted to cryptocurrency and their reasons sometimes

People in search of money, that were introduced to cryptocurrency as a means to get rich. They had the idea of cryptocurrency as something to get rich from, but now they know better since adopting cryptocurrency.

People that are rich already, just need to invest.

People that are looking for ways to hide some of their money from people, say their partners or the government.

People that were looking for better ways to send money to people in other country.
I may not be listed there I believe, not entirely sure, maybe you can squeeze me in there somewhere. Mine is the fact that fiat is a terrible thing to use, so I try to use bitcoin as much as I can in my life. If I could pay everything with bitcoin then I would not use fiat at all.

I hate the fact that my government makes my fiat worth less and less, and even though it could also be considered a situation for investment purposes, it is also regular using, like I take my salary in bitcoin for example and just did. This is why I prefer bitcoin over fiat, not just for investment (that included too) but for everything and that's what matters to me. That could be put in there somewhere but it's not exactly what it is for.
1262  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: First Bitcoin ETF got approved in Europe? Really on: August 02, 2023, 06:03:30 AM
Even we don't want ETF for Bitcoin. Time will come or already started, they can file ETF for Bitcoin. This is also what happened in Gold before.
For me, ETF is not good for Bitcoin because the essence of owning Bitcoin will be gone, but these people really want it.

For me, ETF will help Bitcoin to introduce to more people like spreading the word about Bitcoin to the majority, and will help people will hold Bitcoin for investment (not holding actual Bitcoin for people).
If other markets have ETFs, Futures and Spot, Bitcoin must have the same to infiltrate more into investor communities. It's responsibility of investors who decide to not buy bitcoin directly but invest their money into Bitcoin ETFs. If anything bad happens with Spot ETFs they invest money in, it's their responsibility and they have to accept any bad results in future.

People or entities are able to invest in Bitcoin Spot ETFs would be rich ones so I don't think I should feel regret for them because with very bigger capital, they would do more research than me about Bitcoin and they would have better risk management than me.
This is the part where others in the bitcoin world do not understand. Not wanting to buy bitcoin but willing to buy bitcoin ETF may sound like it's a bad idea to YOU, but the reality is that there are some out there who think like that and we can't afford to reject them from investing in any shape they want.

If ETF makes bitcoin grow bigger than it should make it grow bigger and that's all we can do. I know that people should not be really considering this situation as understandable and small and tiny, we need to make sure that it goes as well as it could in order to make it happen, but that doesn't change the fact that we can't make it work, it's going to be fine. I know that it's tough, but we are at least at a good level.
1263  Economy / Speculation / Re: Is the bull run near already? on: August 01, 2023, 09:46:55 AM
While I’ve personally enjoyed the doubling in Bitcoin price since the bottom, I am still awaiting the anticipated bull market for this cycle. In my opinion, the real bull market won’t officially kick off until after the correction that will come immediately after the halving next April. I suspect a bottom around next 4th of July will provide an entry point for a year long run that will amaze people.
I think I really agree with what you said that a bull market has not yet been seen and it is too early to predict.
in my opinion, given the current situation there will be another correction, but this correction will provide a jump before the halving era to come.
of course the correction will give enthusiasm to continue buying and holding for the future.
Bull market will be seen, and to be fair I would consider that time when we moved from 15k to 30k+ levels were a bull run, if people think that wasn't bull I do not know what it was. The price went more than double higher and if you think that's not bull then nothing is bull. So, we may not be at a bull period right now, and I mean literally right exact this second, but we were in bull period not too late ago.

This is why I believe that it is going to work out in the end. We need to make sure that things end up being something that will be benefiting us all without a doubt. I realize that it is not really a good situation to be in, but we could definitely be seeing it change for sure without a doubt, it is just matter of time.
1264  Economy / Speculation / Re: $30000 is becoming the resistant price on: August 01, 2023, 05:54:53 AM
There is no time left for a big correction to happen at least during this summer cycle so for now , I think the thread title is right as BTC is making a big resistance wall around 30$ area and I don't see any chances to break it anytime soon.

You're right , Bitcoin might do a jump between prices around 27-29k area and it's normal but it might also be an accumulation phase right ? we saw this in the past and I'm sure it might be one right now as well.

Well , Bitcoin could go under 26k but if that happens , it should be in August right ? because as soon as Autumn hits , we might see Bitcoin trying to stabilize around 30k area for a while as halv is still far to have any direct influence on Bitcoin price. Also , there is always a possibility for Bitcoin to go even under 25k this year but I have doubts on this.  Grin
Bitcoin in most cases won't go under 26k, a lot of people are afraid of that level but I am not because that is way too low for the current price and it looks like we are not going to end up with that at all. I understand that the technical analysis shows that if we go any lower then reaching 26k is not really that much of a shocker, but if we keep getting bad results all the time then we are going to end up with a bad result eventually.

This is why we need to be making sure that price doesn't really end up changing all that much. Hopefully it gets to a point where things are not that simple, and in order for that to happen we need to make sure that we possibly could result with a lot higher price instead if people start buying.
1265  Economy / Economics / Re: Connect data to accelerate cashless payments on: July 31, 2023, 12:20:01 PM
I disagree the way you use cashless payments terms because not all cashless payments are centralized. You're talking about government can track every citizens wealth and spending, it's true if they use mobile banking, credit/debit card, CBDC, digital fiat. But, Bitcoin is one of cashless payment and it's decentralized, even though the government and seller know your address, but they're not know your personal information as long as you use non custodial wallet and never link your KYC.
The address you mean is a wallet address right? If so then yeah but I think they can follow its link if they check in the block explorer and see other details there but if you want more privacy, a crypto mixer might help you. If we are this conscious/strict then it would be better to not support cash as well because it is still owned by the governments.

This is the nature of the inevitable development of any form of technology that we see today. The financial system has evolved from barter to metal money, then gold, then paper money, and now we must move at some point to online payment or Cashless payments.
This is the nature of the humans. They can't be contented but they keeps on innovating. Not all things are subject to evolve though. Cashless payments have their advantage but they also have their own disadvantages. This is why we must still need a cash. Data's on the other hand must be stored in a very secure place that no hackers can reach because they are very sensitive.
1266  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin - The road to a SIX DIGIT price valuation on: July 31, 2023, 11:29:23 AM
Of course, the difference in capital that you mention is incredible, because a few billion $ compared to $10 trillion managed by one company together with all other companies/funds make up tens of trillions of $ in value, and all this in a possible combination with investing in Bitcoin definitely tickles the imagination of anyone who thinks about it.

The question of all questions is how much interest there is in investing in Bitcoin through such funds - is it 1%, 5% or maybe even 10% - are we talking about tens, hundreds of billions of $ or even trillions of $?
I feel like you do not need trillions, think about it this way, there are so many big companies out there, I mean the ones that can spend at least a billion in bitcoin, some smaller but still hundreds of millions.

If you think that 100+ companies like that all went into bitcoin around the same time, not at the same day, but like within the same month, the price won't be six digits? I mean that's tens of billions of dollars all go into bitcoin in a single month, maybe even close to 100+ billion dollars going into it in a month. I could see it reach to a million price. One of the main reasons would be there wouldn't be that much resistance neither, there are some here where we are, but not any higher levels have that kind of resistance.
1267  Economy / Economics / Re: The gloomy light called subsidy. on: July 31, 2023, 10:46:41 AM
I do believe in the social welfare state, so I think that the taxpayers' money should be used to provide or at least make more accessible essential services, but the subsidy isn't a great measure because it can be removed. It can only work as a temporary measure, and I guess that's how it's often introduced, but removal of the subsidy should be planned in advance, and occur gradually to allow people to adapt. I think proper programs of social security are better than measures like subsidies, unless we're talking about the state subsidizing certain industries (like public transportation, for example), which is different because it's not on the level of individuals and can be a long-term commitment.
That's the way it should be, to lift a sector to its feet when it's having a trouble but if it's constantly requiring it then there is a problem with it. We should try to subsidize things as much as we can to help them and then cut it, and we should have an ending for it at the same time as well meaning that we should be able to tell them "we are going to give you tax breaks and money help for a year, but then you are on your own" and if they can fix it that's great, if not then they are bound to die.

Let the market take care of itself I would say, if you do not do that and just do with welfare state for companies, then that's going to hurt. Welfare should be for people, not for companies and that is the most important part.
1268  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin is improving I guess? on: July 30, 2023, 02:51:23 PM
I think lately the bitcoin market is getting better where now the bitcoin price is back above $30k after being stuck in the $25k-$26k area a few month ago. It looks like the current price hike will continue. So, let's see if the current price hike will continue to at least $40k or if it goes back down significantly.
Now we are at the end of July where the Bitcoin price is still stuck in the $29K area and it looks like that is the price Bitcoin will end this month. If you are expecting a price of $40K, I think you need to see how Bitcoin will move in the next month so that everyone can make more informed predictions, especially for $40K because I still don't think that a price of that size will be seen next month. Especially at the end of this month Bitcoin is still stuck in the $29K area.
I do not expect it to see 40k anytime soon but I am expecting it to do well enough that it will go above 30k. Of course that may or may not happen this month, we are ending it soon but it requires only a single day so it could happen even on the last day, but if that's the case then I am guessing that we could end up with a good return if we wait for august.

If it doesn't go up this month, then august could be a good month because the price has been stuck for a long time and when the price is stuck, usually it breaks out of that and make it higher. We are there right now, at the stuck stage and I am guessing that it is going to be a tough situation if we keep it going like this. I know that it is going to be tough and it will take some time but I believe patience will make us richer.
1269  Economy / Speculation / Re: Be patient and you will be there soon. on: July 29, 2023, 02:14:39 PM
An easy way to grow money, of course, crypto is the way to go. but with some rules that must be followed.
Not a few people have lost a lot because of crypto.

Investment is not just buying and selling tomorrow, but there is a price target that will be achieved in the long term.

And a good investment is in the top coins, especially Bitcoin.
Those who say they are investors don't even understand the potential of Bitcoin for the long term.

To learn in advance what investments will be made.
Bitcoin will provide great returns if they are patient.
People who think that they can make a quick profit from crypto will learn it the hard way that they can't just make quick profit. Sure you can make a lot of money in bitcoin trading world, and you could invest a lot and make a lot of money as well.

However, you should be able to learn how you could end up with waiting for that to happen as well. I am not reaching out to people who are trying to be "get rich quick" type of people, if they want to do that then they will have to learn how that's not true. However, I am trying to reach out to people who are trying to make a decent money and wrongfully think that this is how you make money in the crypto world, we should find them and make them realize holding is better.
1270  Economy / Economics / Re: Europe have one big problem the euro currency on: July 29, 2023, 01:56:50 PM
European countries use the Euro directly, but countries outside of Europe do not use the Euro as much as the US dollar. The popularity of the US dollar is due to the fact that the US dollar is the global currency so far. Since you brought up the topic of buying a car, I am telling you that suppose you went to buy a car in a certain country, in that case, you have to pay for the car in the local currency of that country or in US dollars. If you want to pay in euros while buying that car, then never accept Euros for your payment. If the euro is a global currency like the US dollar, you can use the euro anywhere. Another thing you may have noticed is the benefit of a global currency when one's assets are calculated in US dollars.
I am not entirely sure about that, but even if that's the case Europe already has a lot of rich nations within it and that means they are going to end up keep using it for sure. That's why I feel like it is not going to be that much of a big deal, it is going to end up being a bit difficult but will be better in the end. They are also used in some other nations as well, maybe not as much as dollar, but they are still used and that means they are going to get a good return.

The only funny thing I find about euro is that they have 500 euro bill, the average wages around Europe is about 3 thousand euro in good nations, and much less in other nations, so they have a system where even in the richest nations it is just 6 bills for your entire salary Cheesy.
1271  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: P2P trading on binance/wm.exchanger payeer, advcash, perfect money on: July 29, 2023, 01:19:14 PM
If you are also asking for the limits in binance p2p, $1k won't give you any trouble as others have said earlier, it is not much of a big money.
And found out that UAH is in binance p2p  - https://p2p.binance.com/en/trade/all-payments/USDT?fiat=UAH.
One way to do it is deposit money to binance and trade it with USDT or whatever trading pair is available to what you deposited.
You may need to do a 2-stage conversion of your money before you can avail the p2p services.
And so far, I haven't encountered any problem as I regularly use the p2p services of binance. They won't freeze your funds if you are not violating any of their AML/KYC protocols even if you reach $1k, which again, is not so big.
As long as you are giving them your credentials honestly, it won't give a red flag in your account.
I still rather avoid p2p trading though, there is no reason to do that. I am fine using binance to enter the market, there are other third party places that helps it as well. So, it is from my fiat in bank to crypto in binance and then crypto in finance into fiat in my bank. That's how I do it and I believe that it could be the perfect system, shouldn't really be anything different.

I believe that we can't really make more or change anything, that is why I believe that we can make it work. I know that it is going to matter a lot if we care or not, because if we care then we are going to trade very well on anywhere and we would be making a profit and it could be great. I know that it is not going to be simple though, hence we need patience and hard work.
1272  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: For newbies and plebs who want to self-study to become "traders" on: July 28, 2023, 06:31:45 PM
There is nothing I hate seeing like those thumbnails on Youtube videos, sometimes I think those guys that give predictions and guides about trading contribute to why newbies lost money into crypto because instead of them to be teaching the important aspect of trading, they will be busy saying things that will give them goosebumps and make their adrenaline grow over their head and when they rush and start trading without any basic knowledge and get burn, they start crying like babies.

There is another funny thing these trading guides traders do, they don't in reality trade any shit, they only hold coins and freak out the public with trade settings and hype; the Halving is on the way, just watch how they come back to hype people once again about trading guide and when they make their gain, they vamous and come back the next time there is another hype in the market.
I sort of understand it. Not the part where they do not teach the real things, but understand the part where they make it grand and make it sound like something major at the same time. Why do I understand it? Because, it is a medium, and you need to get attention and in order to get attention you need to make sure that you are doing fine.

If you are doing fine then you are going to be making some serious profit from it as well. I understand that it is not going to be easy, and I can see why it is getting to be something a bit more troublesome over course of time, because in the end they are not helpful. But if they keep what they have, and add in some stuff about how they come up with those things, it could be something good.
1273  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading as a newbie - advice? on: July 28, 2023, 04:49:40 PM
Reading books and watching online tutorials, well, they are enough already to learn but it was much better to have a mentor that guides you for a few days in trading. If we have a friend who already has an experience in trading, we approach them and gain ideas. Because we can't be good enough in trading just having all of those stuff but having an experience would give us more learning and ideas. Generally, we usually got caught up in applying it in live trading, we usually fail because of our emotions.
Those three combined would be enough for anyone to be a great trader. Obviously there will always be a lot of people who are not going to do them properly. There will be people who either do not read about it, or watch about it, or not go into it with a mentor but instead read what an influencer wrote and just buy that and think that that's mentorship, it's not.

Those influencers get paid to share stuff, which means that they do not care if that token goes up or not, they take their money mostly in BNB, so they do not even accept the token they are suggesting you to buy. Hence, in the end we are talking about a situation where you are not going to end up profiting if you do not study. Or we also have type of people who study, but very short, like just a week or so, and think they are ready.
1274  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Newbies can't profit from crypto without knowing how to trade. Truth or Myth? on: July 28, 2023, 01:19:09 PM
I disagree.

You need knowledge on what you're going to do before you actually to do it, to have a better result, just imagine investing in Bitcoin but you didn't know what is a Bitcoin address and where to buy it, or what wallet you should use, when is the right time to buy and sell, etc.

Without those knowledge, you'll end up losing your funds because of commiting mistakes, and you don't want that. Even if it is trading or holding, you need some knowledge for you to maximize the profits you can make in the long run.
I agree with you. I think you should be capable of learning somethings and if you learn it well then you should also gain experience after that as well. I know that not many people see it that way and because there were few newbies who got rich, maybe richer than some veterans, during the bull run because they hit the jackpot and got the right token and made some money.

But they wouldn't be able to do it again, it was pure luck and sometimes that happens and that's understandable. In general though, we are not going to see those people making those type of changes, they are not going to end up with a lot of profit and we should probably see them have different approach for sure. That's why they should learn more about it.
1275  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto EGG Meme Run to $1 on: July 28, 2023, 11:08:41 AM
Bad promotion, you won't get buyers if you do it here and only post it with unclear capital. Moreover, you don't do any analysis about the memecoin. and you say no promotion and just look. post anywhere about the coin including promotions. Expect it to be $1. See how $DOGE is struggling to get to $1.
He has indeed been promoting obscure meme coins, even though he said see what happens I'm not so sure from his words, especially with $1 the price will go up? It's a joke.

He is also comparing too much between PEPE and EGG profits, it will not be the same.
Well, we at least see how much of a failure this project will be based on their shitty promotion. That should be a good reason to avoid it, and the sad thing is that they did something without knowing what they did, to promote it and instead of promote it, they made some people never consider buying it.

I would not even remotely consider if I would invest into this or not. I would stay away from it as much as I possibly could. That is why I would highly suggest others to not be any different, just avoid it at all costs. There is really no need for anything more than the fact that their promotion was this topic, that's it, that's only thing you need and you should not be worried about missing anything, it just sucks.
1276  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How to deal with shitcoiners without being harsh about reality. on: July 28, 2023, 09:53:29 AM
Can we have more confidence though? lets be constructive about this dillema. Shitcoiners succeed in pushing people to buy their shit, there is no reason we cannot do a better job with a legitimate currency.
I understand your dilemma here. You are a good guy and want to lead your friends in the best investment possible.

In my case, my friends do listen when I tell them it's not a good investment. Simple, because they know that I know better than them being in the cryptocurrency industry for a long time.
Maybe, the best you could do is set yourself up to have a hierarchy of knowledge in cryptocurrencies. Once they see that then they will doubt buying just anything in the market. Better, they might seek you out for advice.

I don't like having arguments with people who already closed their minds in listening to others especially those who are buying meme coins and supporting them with all of their life. Most of the time, I just ignore them and let them get rekt and that's when I wait for them to come back.
I feel like that's not the point though. I mean shitcoiners promote their shit and get mocked for it and they end up with a shame when it crashes or rug pulls. Sure they do bring in more money that way, and they make profit that way if they get out at the right time, but that doesn't mean that we are going to see it succeed anytime soon.

This is why it's a lot smarter if you could end up with a better result. It would be smart if people realized that it's going to make a big difference and should consider maybe we are doing the right thing already. Do not force people to get any decent coin, they should be able to do it themselves, and if they end up investing into a shitcoin that's their own issue and not ours, they will find the right path eventually.
1277  Economy / Economics / Re: Pool strategy of investment for wealth multiplication. on: July 28, 2023, 09:28:20 AM
Just throwing this out there:  business and family/friends generally don't mix.  And OP, what you've described is not exactly a revolutionary new idea.  There are many examples of family members pooling their wealth to invest in whatever ventures they're into.  The Winklevoss twins come to mind immediately in the context of crypto.
The fact for me is that 98% of people shouldn't start any business with either their family or friends. We know how emotional and illogical humans can be and also because they could find it very hard to separate personal relationships from business decisions leading to  problems, conflicts and complications.

This is  not always the issue though as you have mentioned the Winklevoss twins which in my estimation falls in the 2% sector of people shows that it can work if handled properly.

Before a person fathoms starting a business with family or friends, they must sit down  and clearly define the roles, the  compensation, equity, and boundaries in a contractual manner. Once this can be achieve we are certain any conflicts that may arise in the future would have been nipped in the bud. I would also add that they should be able consider the unbiased advice and of seasoned professionals in the industry when it comes to making critical decisions about the business.
Yeah, true. I would never go into business withy any money that my family members have, it just doesn't make sense. Even strangers are better because I can talk reason with them, but when you are dealing with family members it becomes an issue.

My spouse has some family money stored away, we have never touched it even on our worst day, literally when it was health reasons and we needed to pay medical bills we never touched it, because we knew that if we did, then our parents would have kept reminding that and would cause a lot of drama in the house,  so we took debt and got loans and maxed our credit card and did alright, instead of doing anything that would hurt us in the end, this was much better choice.
1278  Economy / Economics / Re: Agriculture can save your country from recession on: July 28, 2023, 05:58:31 AM
You are now talking not about support from the state, but about full-fledged influence on agribusiness.
On the one hand, I agree with you - in countries where there is a real problem of growing and providing the local population with food, state regulation and partial management, this is a necessary measure.
I also consider as an acceptable option - closer interaction with private agricultural companies, in crisis situations, when a private business has force majeure circumstances caused by external factors (war, natural disasters, terrorist attacks, ...), and these agricultural companies cannot "survive" on their own ".
In all other cases, the influence of the state, as a rule, negatively affects business (and we are talking about private agribusiness).
I always keep saying that government should be the buyer for a good amount of money, then government can sell it for either lower or higher depending on the season, but they should always be the buyer. Wouldn't that work? No need to regulate or partially manage, no need to keep interrupting.

Just let them do whatever they want with a set price government would get, if they can find a buyer for higher then they can sell it for that person, but at least farmers would know what the worst case situation and they can work according to that. If they fail, then they fail and that means something, but that doesn't mean that we are not going to end up with anything different, it is going to be pretty much basically the same situation.
1279  Economy / Economics / Re: The whales stirred. What should we expect? on: July 27, 2023, 09:46:41 AM
If we carefully read the information about the movement of assets on the whales' wallets, we will realize that these are not just moves, but moves specifically on the MARKETS. People transfer assets to exchanges for what? Right - to sell or buy for one asset, another asset. Therefore, I, with high probability and assume 2 options - sale and exit to fiat (perhaps something know) or a global change of the "leader of the crypto world", other options explaining the transfer of huge amounts of bitcoins and assume I can not assume. In this case, the option "they just transferred" - I do not consider, because it is absolutely allogical.
I agree that most of the time that could be the reason, there are few niche reasons like people just changing wallets, which they may do via an exchange because they do not want to be followed, and that makes sense fully, but I understand why people would think that it would be to do a move on the market.

However, nowadays there aren't really that much wild volatility that is going around enough to make selling or even buying make sense just yet. I understand when the market is moving hectically it could lead whales make moves, but when its this silent and just stagnating at one price, I do not think that whales have any reason to make big moves. They might, but it is not changing anything right now as we can see.
1280  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A neighbor next door on: July 27, 2023, 07:19:31 AM
I think the answer to op's question depends a lot on the circumstances and personal beliefs.
Do you think that dealing drugs is a crime (not from a legal standpoint, but from a moral standpoint)? What kind of drugs or does it not matter to you? Another question is whether this person wants to abandon the current activity for something Bitcoin-related or not.
To me, it matters what kind of drugs the person's dealing, whether this person is engaged in other, more violent forms of crime, and it's a big plus if this person is seeking to escape the drug-dealing industry.
I wouldn't help a violent person, or someone who deals heroin and something of similar very strong and very negative impact. I also wouldn't help a person who deals drugs to minors. But if it's something lighter that adults get for themselves, and the person is alright (not aggressive), I wouldn't hold it against him.
All that aside, I wouldn't give anyone financial advice, I can merely help to learn more about the currency, wallets, basic security, and stress the risk of investing. Also, I wouldn't normally dedicate my time to someone I'm not friends with, unless it's something like paid private lessons.
I do not teach people how to handle bitcoin even if they are not drug dealers so it is not anymore of a moral question but about more like saving myself from headache. That solves the issue pretty quickly, he could have been a doctor saving lives and I would still not teach them how to get bitcoin, that's not my job nor my place.

We live in an online world now, go to google and type in "how can I buy bitcoin in X nation" wherever they are, if that doesn't solve your question neither can I. Why would I have to deal with other people, why do I have to teach them, what's in it for me? I rather not do that at all and let them be. This way you do not have to ask yourself if he is doing a good thing or a bad thing, because it becomes irrelevant.
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