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1421  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). on: September 27, 2013, 04:39:24 PM
But another 1000 was waiting for confirmation, you didn't see that? you're always broadcasting my account information in the Chat room: like "4 left in the balance, 500 is coming..." (1)
And did you say something like this: "the change will protect investor from someone"? (2)

I saw that you had a deposit pending and so weren't playing at the time, yes.  I wanted to reduce the variance to protect the bankroll and waited for betting activity to stop before I did so.  It was the early hours of the morning and I wanted to sleep.  If I had waited for you to stop depositing and playing I could well have been waiting all night.

I don't think I said anthing like that, no.  But the forum had a 'quote' mechanism which you can use to quote people.  This wasn't about you.  It was about protecting the site from the massive swings we had been seeing.

Doog, let's do not make up reality, the change was made to protect the bankroll from the swings caused precisely by Nakowa and ONLY by Nakowa, for the simple reason he is the only one pushing max profit.

Changing the max profit while he was playing was kinda unfair and counter productive, there's no shame in admitting a mistake, you already apologized for this to Nakowa and IMO we should just move on.

Max profit will be soon at 0.5%, IMO is a decent compromise (even if I prefer optimal kelly) and anyhow any change to this or other parameters should be announced with at least 12h advance. This way Nakowa can prove to all us naysayers how his strategy really works.

My bet is his strategy is just BS, and he will go busto long before the house.
1422  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 27, 2013, 04:22:13 PM
Is it honest analyses?
its common sense at this point.... tho my TA has been pointing to this outcome. join the my newsletter!


Or just pumping?

pumping? no i would never do that ...  Cheesy


How is your track record?

if you take away all the bad calls i've made, unbelievably good!

that made me smile Smiley

thanks

That's the purpose of 99% of Adam's posts.

Plus, in 2012 he said that BTC was going to be traded above $100 this year, and pretty much everybody laughed at him. Prudhon even bet 10 BTC against that happening. As we all know Adam won, he was absolutely right, but at the end didn't want to take Prudhon's money.

This is a true story, I'm on my cell now but I'm sure somebody can find the link.

Morale of the story: historically the most radical permabulls* have ALWAYS been right both in the mid and in the long term.

*we will have to exclude rpietila, that case falls in the realm of delusions and mental sicknesses.
1423  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 27, 2013, 04:14:44 PM
When did expected become a promise.

Semantics pedantry -- the last resort of failed fanbois.  Hope you get an equally formalistic package from KNC -- A plastic miner doll wearing a "500GH/s" bib.

Fanboy.. not sure about that. But heavy invested yes.

There will be a video during the weekend on a working unit. And pickup / shipments starts early next week. Dont see the problem.

200M difficulty and probably a 400% jump on next adjustment might be a problem for some.

800m by next adjustment in around one week?

You wanna be quoted then with this?

If KnC delivers +400 units per day as they claim we will probably see a 400% difficulty jump. Anyhow, i dont think they will.
1424  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Swedish ASIC miner company kncminer.com on: September 27, 2013, 03:34:44 PM
When did expected become a promise.

Semantics pedantry -- the last resort of failed fanbois.  Hope you get an equally formalistic package from KNC -- A plastic miner doll wearing a "500GH/s" bib.

Fanboy.. not sure about that. But heavy invested yes.

There will be a video during the weekend on a working unit. And pickup / shipments starts early next week. Dont see the problem.

200M difficulty and probably a 400% jump on next adjustment might be a problem for some.
1425  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). on: September 27, 2013, 03:28:29 PM
you have a gambling problem

Most people would kill to have a problem that leads them to win +1M usd.

We say it's luck, he says he has a winning strategy, only way to prove it is to keep playing until him or the house go busto.
1426  Economy / Exchanges / Re: MtGox withdrawal delays [Gathering] on: September 27, 2013, 01:16:58 PM
I am really curious how long you guys had to wait recently to get this EURO withdrawal on your bank account? I know that USD withdrawal can take several months, but I was hoping that EURO withdrawal would take a few weeks at maximum.
Almost a month now for SEPA.  Extremely high volume of withdrawals have caused the queue to grow again. :-(


Thanks for the reply, I don't like it but I could live with 1 month delay. I am just a little worried that I open MtGox.com one day and see a message that they have gone bankrupt or something. That would probably mean I would lose all my money in transition.

What a lot of people also don't know is that you can have your withdrawal limit increased from €1000 a day/€10.000 a month to maximum of €7500 a day / €40.000 a month by e-mailing AML@mtgox.com. That way if you want to withdraw 5000 for example you don't have to enter 5 x € 1000 for 5 consecutive days, but just one time € 5000 withdrawal.


you can have 10.000€ a day/50.000€  a month
1427  Local / Primeros pasos y ayuda / Re: Merecen la pena las web que dan Bitcoins? on: September 27, 2013, 01:16:02 PM
(...) Obviamente el término está mal usado en castellano, pero ya sabemos la calidad de los artículos de wikipedia...

No veo por qué el uso de "fungible" en español habría de ser reprochable. Creo que corresponde a la definición que da el DRAE para "bienes fungibles". E incluso si no hubiera esa definición en la que poderse amparar, un diccionario generalista como es el DRAE no siempre contiene definiciones precisas de términos técnicos que no son habituales en el lenguaje diario.

Además, si se considerara incorrecto en español llamar "fungibilidad" a esa característica del dinero, ¿hay alguna palabra que se pueda utilizar en su lugar?

Te doy la razón, si bien "fungible" suele significar otra cosa en español, la RAE también le da el mismo significado que en inglés cuando se habla de "bienes fungibles".
1428  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 27, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
This thread should get a special chatbox on the forum.

Totally agree.
1429  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 27, 2013, 01:00:43 PM
Whoever said we should cuddle our whale...  it sounds like he needs a big hug right about now:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301412.msg3246012#msg3246012


I was the one saying we should "cuddle" our whales, but I just mean to be fair with them by not changing how the casino works when they are playing precisely to "stop" them from winning. Honestly, that's lame, I assume that everybody should understand what 1% edge + 1% max profit means (high variance). I don't think we should adulate our whales (you can see how in other threads I tell Nakowa very clearly I think he is delusional and he will eventually go busto), I just think we should just let them play and follow "their strategy" without messing with them and the reason why is veyr clear for me: the fundamentals of the casino (1% edge, Kelly criterion) are sound and solid, and gambler's mentality is definitely our ally.

As it was obvious, now Nakowa justifies his losses by the change in the rules, and it's possible he won't play as much as before because he feels his "strategy" has been cheated. IMO he is delusional, I don't think he is as smart as you seem to think (otherwise he wouldn't believe he found "a flaw in sha256" and that he can "spot patterns"), and I strongly believe he would have played over and over until he lost everything. You say he might win and "never come back", that is a possibility but IMO very small, I've seen many gamblers in my life and Nakowa is just the prototypical one (big rush when gambling lots of money, denies he is a gambler, believes he has a strategy that beats the house, etc. etc. etc.) They just come back, and they come back more when they are losing, that is what happens 99% of the times. Now that we "changed the rules" while he was playing, precisely to stop him (this is very obvious Doog, and hardly justifiable), we just gave him an excuse to feel cheated, and we just gave him a reason to never play again. In his mind is not his "strategy" not working any more, is US that messed up with it.

I still think he will eventually play again (gamblers are gamblers), but nevertheless as I said many times before I think changing the max profit while he was playing was a very bad, rushed move.

Finally: 1/2 Kelly is much better than 1/4 Kelly, and probably this situation will just make that important changes (like variable risk) will be implemented sooner. I for one fully support you, I just increased my investment, and probably will continue to do so.
1430  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 27, 2013, 07:00:46 AM
Everyone wants Bitcoin to spread so they can sell high after the big jump.

I'm not looking to sell ever. That is my ideal scenario.

I guess we're different then. Because I'm not gonna die with em in my pocket.  Grin

Me neither. I just have no intention of swapping them for monopoly money. Bitcoin is money, you don't sell it, you spend it! Wink

If there were hookers & blow available close by for btc then I'd probably agree with you. I'm sure as hell not leavin em to my kids! They can pay for their own blow. lol

Patience, hoes will wise up Wink

Hoes are already accepting BTC. I cannot link the article because I'm on my cell, but on I read an article on avn.com about a whorehouse in UK officially accepting BTC.
1431  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). on: September 27, 2013, 06:52:04 AM
UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) <dooglus> fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

Max profit will be taken to 0.5% in a few hours, will you be able to win the house edge or you just run out of luck?

I'll not play on a casino that changes rules while players are winning. Period.

Changing the rules while you were playing was not cool, I guess it was a decision taken in the heat of the moment, probably because of the pressure of a few investors scared to death of variance... Anyhow you already got an apology.... And isn't 0.5% max profit good enough to use your "strategy"?
1432  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days (Still UP). on: September 27, 2013, 06:36:31 AM
UPDATE 4

2013.09.27 14:05:38 (1) <dooglus> fizz: it's ok to cater to whales, but what if they're breaking you?

I (the whale) always play by rules (the rules you set).

Now you think I'm breaking you by the rules you set, and you fight back by changing rules (which is exactly what you did)?

Doog, you're disappointing me.

Sigh, only harsh pressure can reveal one's true character.

Max profit will be taken to 0.5% in a few hours, will you be able to win the house edge or you just run out of luck?
1433  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 26, 2013, 10:58:06 PM
Leverage is a very tricky thing, if implemented it should be done with the utmost care and I'd personally avoid it.

I agree that implementing well variable risk is the top priority ATM.
1434  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 26, 2013, 10:41:45 PM
Yup, since doog seems persistent to keep the max bet lower, I'd like to also request for at least 0.5% max bet for the time being.

While I work on the change, I am happy to put the max profit back up to 0.5%.  Half Kelly seems like a reasonable compromise.

How do I do this in a way that doesn't piss anyone off?  Changes without notice are "out of order".  Where do I announce it?  I don't have any way of contacting most of the investors.

Do I just post here "max profit will be adjusted to 0.5% of bankroll at (midnight tonight, UTC)" and leave it at that?  How much notice does it need?  That's only 2 hours away, and so probably not long enough.

What about "midnight pacific"?  That's 9 hours away.

Thoughts?  How much notice do people need?  And where's a good place to put such annoucements?

0.5% is already much better than 0.25%, a better balance variance/expected returns IMO

For this type of change I would have an announcement on the front page for at least 12 hours

And Doog, thanks for listening to our concerns, I'm sure all this noise will help to improve this amazing product you created.
1435  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days(Still UP). on: September 26, 2013, 08:17:53 PM
Dooglus is honest.

Just Dice is provably fair.

There are no known flaws in sha256.

Nakowa: you are just a lucky player. If you really think you can beat the house edge in the long term, just prove your point by playing until you or the Casino go busto. I guess doog could at least raise max profit to 0.5% and commit to not changing the rules while you are playing, we would enjoy the show.
1436  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 26, 2013, 06:00:52 PM
Right, I remember reading that post. I'm okay with making that distinction, calling it 'math' vs. 'psychology'. I will just continue to get cranky when decisions based on the latter category are called "irrational". (sorry for the outburst by the way. low blood sugar, I bet)

to some people, it is mathematical rational to not operate at full kelly. People are optimizing their utility, not their profit. To some investors, variance decreases their overall utility - therefore it is rational for them to want to exchange decrease in profit for decrease in volatility.

It's sub-optimal for profit, but optimal for maximizing their own utility. It is irritation only if they declare their strategy to be maximum growth then ask for non-optimal max bets.

Excuse me, but I need to ask: so why these people invested in a casino that has a 1% house edge, plus an optimal kelly (1%) max profit? Complaining about variance knowing those parameters is like complaining because at 3AM is dark.
1437  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 26, 2013, 05:44:00 PM
Oda: for what is worth I agree on the fact that many investors are just clueless of what investing in a casino means (some of them dared to write that for them J-D is a "long term, stable investment" - LOL so hard at that, they do not even understand what the business model of a casino is). This can lead to panic, FUD and bank runs. In fact I already wrote about it in another thread yesterday, agreeing with your point:

I believe there are two factors we should consider when discussing this matter:

MATHS:

Kelly Criterion works just fine, but the fact is that Nakowa's bankroll is many orders of magnitude bigger than the average player's, and so is his average bet. He is virtually the only one going nowhere near the "max profit". This just means that himself alone can provoke huge variance - but if he plays long enough, it will even out.

PSYCHOLOGY:

From one side, its definitely the casino's ally. If you understand this business, you simply know that Nakowa is either a) a cheater or b) the absolute best customer you can probably EVER have. Let's remember that there's absolute no evidence for a), and that:

Nakowa is the kind of guy willing to gamble $40k every 5 seconds during 3/4 hours

From the other side, you have a mob of whiners or angry "investors" who treat JD as a bank, and these guys are obviously ready to spread FUD about JD and Dooglus if they see their investment shrink by %25 in a few days due to variance. Some of this "investors" are ready to crap their pants by disinvesting probably because they do not understand in what they were investing in the first place, and this could create a "bank run" effect if the whale has another lucky strike.

The latter is something difficult to factor when calculating the probability of "bankruptcy of the house", but anyhow I'm sure Doog took his decision considering also this difficult to weight but very real "bank run" scenario.

IMO, a "market for risk" is a brilliant concept. I also hope more investors understand now what does it means to invest in a gambling site: who is your average customer, who is your STAR customer, and how your expected result can fluctuate wildly.
1438  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer - MtGoxUSD wall movement tracker - Hardcore on: September 26, 2013, 05:21:48 PM
But when everyone's convinced that it will go down because everyone seems to be convinced it will go up, where will it go?

1439  Economy / Gambling / Re: Hi, guys, I (NAKOWA) was beaten. Lost 5k BTC in two days(Still UP). on: September 26, 2013, 05:05:21 PM
Nakowa: your strategy never worked. You didn't prove a single point (well, yes: that a single player with a bankroll orders of magnitude bigger than the rest of the players can create high variance - and some of us already knew that).

As an investor, I tell you that I was and I am just begging for you to keep playing. Too bad that some others "lost faith in math" (LOL) and panicked, which lead to a drastic reduction of max profit, which in fact probably "protected" you from bigger losses in the last three sessions.

You should feel ashamed for trying to sell a "gambling strategy" based on "flaws in SHA256" for 111 BTC. You have no strategy, you discovered NO flaw in SHA256, and you just bet at random trying to "spot patterns" - which is just a gambler's fallacy.



1440  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Service Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Just-Dice.com : Invest in 1% House Edge Dice Game on: September 26, 2013, 04:49:39 PM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=301412.0

I am getting more and more convinced that nakowa is one of the main investors of just-dice and he is just advertising the website

Nakowa was/is indeed one of the best promos for the site. I was there while he was playing and the max profit was suddenly reduced to STOP him. That's unfair and lame, it was a rushed decision driven by emotions - and it was a very BAD decision. You want to cuddle and support Nakowa, he is the best customer you can have.
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