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1441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 06, 2015, 02:18:07 AM
Havent checked the thread(s) alot, waited to let the whole bob thing blow down a bit lol.
But i see now that you haven't been lying still,... on the contrary. Bitbay.net looks really cool and i just Downloaded BitBay PC Client. The install wizard guided me through the whole 1st setup. Explained smartcontracts, account protection etc etc... brilliant.
Synchronizing now... Im very exited to take a look at this when im 100% synched.
Great stuff

Very similar i went away for awhile but i am back now also, what a difference a month or 2 makes David has clearly come to make an impact and chew bubble gum and he's all out of bubble gum  Wink

Mine not long synced awesome stuff and won't be long before this gets out to the eyes that needs to which will put this project where it should have been before..

Big well done David and community who have not budged!

lol... best movie ever.

Roddy Piper is crazy, and wants everyone to try on his new sunglasses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKFadyJxwg


and also by the way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9q70zCJYBc


Thanks for that i laughed as much as i did the first time i watched it, that is a hardcore fight lol all to put on the glasses!

I tell ya i now have to watch it all again because i just watched that scene  Grin

Then i watched the other, I'm back baby  Cheesy Grin

Bitbay has just gone Roddy Piper luckily i held onto every coin because i knew that you would come threw and i can't wait to start buying things from the market, ebay and paypal fee's have been driving me this could not have happened at a better time.

I believe there are a lot of people who will be here when they hear about it.

Glad to have you back David!  

)
Thanks, yeah its funny you mention fees(somebody was just telling me the same thing) because this may be one of our best angles to market this thing. After all, no servers, no arbiters no fees and no theft! That has to mean something to some businesses.
1442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 06, 2015, 12:17:47 AM
Havent checked the thread(s) alot, waited to let the whole bob thing blow down a bit lol.
But i see now that you haven't been lying still,... on the contrary. Bitbay.net looks really cool and i just Downloaded BitBay PC Client. The install wizard guided me through the whole 1st setup. Explained smartcontracts, account protection etc etc... brilliant.
Synchronizing now... Im very exited to take a look at this when im 100% synched.
Great stuff

Very similar i went away for awhile but i am back now also, what a difference a month or 2 makes David has clearly come to make an impact and chew bubble gum and he's all out of bubble gum  Wink

Mine not long synced awesome stuff and won't be long before this gets out to the eyes that needs to which will put this project where it should have been before..

Big well done David and community who have not budged!

lol... best movie ever.

Roddy Piper is crazy, and wants everyone to try on his new sunglasses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqKFadyJxwg


and also by the way...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9q70zCJYBc
1443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 06, 2015, 12:13:06 AM
Hi anybody willing to give me a hand figuring out how to loan my private keys from my old wallet onto the new client , will be a payment for who can help me sort this out. PM me please

If its the regular qt wallet then its the same as any wallet. But if you are referring to the markets/smart contracting wallet then you would have to send the coins to the new one. The markets/halo wallet uses multisig for every account (2 keys) and thus doesnt use wallet.dat. However, just use the old qt to send coins to your BitBay address.
1444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: April 01, 2015, 06:34:32 AM
Is bitbay onchain or offchain? How is it different than openbazaar(off chain) and syscoin(on chain)?

The markets are definitely off chain. The way it works is it leverages Bitmessage channels with modified Bitmessage source. So nodes keep messages in their memory for 2 days. Every node tries to see if it can decrypt any message which basically makes it anonymous. Since you dont know who is decrypting what.
There is a header which requires POW. So unlike OB or other systems ddos or flooding is hard to do. And in theory, time locks can be used to circumvent pow altogether.

Also, correct me if im mistaken but we are the only markets to be in open beta. Templates will be coming soon. Performance could be speed up dramatically with some server nodes (so can tighter moderation).

I dont believe in bloating the blockchain and i think bitmessage chose the correct model for scalable serverless internet. Nodes can easily choose a network of nodes they trust, ports can be changed to subscribe to certain markets, network can route through Tor (and hopefully eventually i2p), and nodes can most likely even link adjacent networks. Reduce bloat at all costs and of course only download what you need to see. Of course i think more modifications can and should be done to Bitmessage. Blockchains are very unnecessary here, you cant download the internet.

Bitmessage natively will submit messages again if 2 days pass. Then follow by 4, 8 ,16 and so on. In Halo it might be prudent to make that more frequent while in escrow. Not sure yet, for now i tell people to use encrypted gmail accounts for increased speed during negotiations.
If you have an offer on the market do you have to keep connecting to ensure it stays alive? So hard to do offline payments this way? How do you link bitmessages to payments on chain some kind of memo id?

I believe most people chose the bitmessage route however another option is to prune the blockchain so that you essentially keep everything in one structure payments offers transactions etc..

Also one other thing.. How would you make it possible for someone like say overstock to say hey i want to use bitbay with all of my product offers.. Can i do that so i essentially decentralize my website? That is a powerful usecase enabled by blockchain approach

Bitmessage does not need to link to payments on the chain unless i decide to replace their pow with time locks. If you have an offer on the market, you do not need to stay connected. However, once the offer is accepted, you should stay connected as much as possible since BitBay is P2P. Pruning the blockchain will not support markets. You cant do markets on the blockchain its way too much data. There are bandwidth limitations.

And yes, we have an Alibaba connection, im thinking of ways to host websites on there or allow vendors something special.
1445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: BitBay |Decentralized Marketplace|Smart Contracts|IoT Tech|Markets Open on: March 31, 2015, 11:56:50 PM

That github will soon be replaced with one of my own. That will be posted in the new thread.
1446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 31, 2015, 07:32:40 PM
Speaking of 2 day expiration. As you can see the webcam is no longer on the market. It would have to be sent again (the option is in the pending tab).

However, like I said, we will add an option to allow automatic re-submitting.
1447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 31, 2015, 03:35:11 PM
Is bitbay onchain or offchain? How is it different than openbazaar(off chain) and syscoin(on chain)?

The markets are definitely off chain. The way it works is it leverages Bitmessage channels with modified Bitmessage source. So nodes keep messages in their memory for 2 days. Every node tries to see if it can decrypt any message which basically makes it anonymous. Since you dont know who is decrypting what.
There is a header which requires POW. So unlike OB or other systems ddos or flooding is hard to do. And in theory, time locks can be used to circumvent pow altogether.

Also, correct me if im mistaken but we are the only markets to be in open beta. Templates will be coming soon. Performance could be speed up dramatically with some server nodes (so can tighter moderation).

I dont believe in bloating the blockchain and i think bitmessage chose the correct model for scalable serverless internet. Nodes can easily choose a network of nodes they trust, ports can be changed to subscribe to certain markets, network can route through Tor (and hopefully eventually i2p), and nodes can most likely even link adjacent networks. Reduce bloat at all costs and of course only download what you need to see. Of course i think more modifications can and should be done to Bitmessage. Blockchains are very unnecessary here, you cant download the internet.

Bitmessage natively will submit messages again if 2 days pass. Then follow by 4, 8 ,16 and so on. In Halo it might be prudent to make that more frequent while in escrow. Not sure yet, for now i tell people to use encrypted gmail accounts for increased speed during negotiations.
1448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 31, 2015, 11:22:51 AM
Hi David,

Are you going to open up a feedback period where power sellers and Ebay sellers submit feedback for features and layout suggestions?

2) Where are you on the timeframe now?

3) How is the peg going along?

Thank you

Yeah i have a feedback system in place, i just need to decide how many reviews im going to allow. Also a way to verify their reputations and such.

The timeframe is as follows:
templates
multisig staking
NT microtrader
Pegging

Some other things too like making sure the mac and linux build works on all versions and any patches etc. With templates it will be much easier for anyone to understand.
1449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 30, 2015, 11:24:46 AM
I have the old wallet running I guess. How do I update to new wallet? do I just install the new wallet and copy the wallet.dat file and wait for sync?


If you used the Qt wallet then you have to realize that the wallet with markets in it doesnt use wallet.dat. It uses two keys (multisignature). However you can send coins from your old wallet to the new one.

If you are simply updating the Halo/markets wallet then we notice that you would have to do a full uninstall and reinstall using the new one we have online. Just always remember to keep both keys that you generate during setup.

Thanks. I didnt know that. So running the old wallet still helps the network right? cause I switched back to old one.

Yeah, if you are staking sure. Staking will be added to the new wallet soon.
1450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 30, 2015, 02:32:09 AM
my market client still shows 2 items for sale;

a tire pressure gauge
a doge

it says 100%. I also put in a offer on some test offerings that have been pending for a while. whoever owns that myhalo1111 gmail account.

anyway help I want to get this client to work again

I am only showing my listing (the webcam) and the red balloon, have you tried restarting client?

Thanks

I have restarted it many times.

Not trying to measure sizes or anything lol but just to let you know i have 5 different items for sale on the market looking at it from my client  Huh

I am on linux and it has a really nice feel to it.

Hi what linux you got ? i got ubuntu and the client don't even open. Do you need any other software before starting it?

Hey,

The computer i am on at the moment is ubuntu 14.04 i think it might be the old one but it is secure and fast enough so i will contiue to use it for awhile. How are you trying to start the client from the terminal or from the files? I have nothing added to the normal ubuntu software.

Thank for your reply . i got ubuntu 64bit 14.10 which is the latest one . i run it for the files it self i never tried the terminal is that how you do it ?

PM me with a description of what happened so i can troubleshoot it. What you are saying is that the old orders are still there but the new ones are not? I've wondered if this happens because of changes in your known nodes.
1451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 30, 2015, 02:27:10 AM
I have the old wallet running I guess. How do I update to new wallet? do I just install the new wallet and copy the wallet.dat file and wait for sync?


If you used the Qt wallet then you have to realize that the wallet with markets in it doesnt use wallet.dat. It uses two keys (multisignature). However you can send coins from your old wallet to the new one.

If you are simply updating the Halo/markets wallet then we notice that you would have to do a full uninstall and reinstall using the new one we have online. Just always remember to keep both keys that you generate during setup.
1452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 28, 2015, 08:19:25 PM
Totally off topic, i saw this today and made me laugh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CB4p-5Fhd30
1453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 28, 2015, 08:00:18 PM
The first tangible item has now been sold on the market.  My Good Year tire pressure gauge has been mailed off to the lucky buyer which just happened to be dzimbeck (David).  The escrow was released back to me exactly like it was supposed to.  Hopefully this can be remembered as the "10,000 BTC Pizza"  except this will the called the "5990 Bay tire pressure gauge"

Now I just need to make sure I figure in shipping and handling the next time I sell something. :-)

Thanks Team Bitay

By the way, the templates will handle all the shipping and bank and other info. Cheers. I will enjoy the "tire pressure gauge" maybe i will frame it.  Smiley

Also to the community, thanks for the support.

funsponge, this has been discussed. And no other coins will be able to buy that license(at least not immediately). After all, wouldnt we want to prove the concept works first? We should prove that it can revive a coin from the depths of hell. Thats way more important than prostituting the tech. Currently, the only thing coins can get is a spot on the NT exchange. That doesnt mean they get markets and wont get pegging. (Ok i did say it depends on what they want but come on man, ive really got to not make the same mistake i made with trusting the guys who brought me into Bitbay)

Although the pegging will be something many coins will want, at some point it should open up to support other projects but maybe it should go to projects that deserve it. Like maybe gridcoin(does gridcoin really work?). One day, people will want it open source for obvious security reasons. That is a question of when. Should it only be the obfuscated source? What should the license be to change it, should my company disappear completely and free the tech to the world? Would it be too early and not reach consumers? Will the tech get poisoned with the stigma if its used by people with bad intentions? I'm not sure because ive yet to decide whats best.

I know my goal though. My goal is definitely to give consumers tools to eliminate deception.

The only licenses that get sold are to companies that want smart contracts. Not to coins especially not after what happened. Even recently just talking to a supporter about a rebrand after the fork for pegging(i wish i could fork the wallets of the bastards, i dont know their addresses).

Its not about money here, its about making good decisions. What decisions should i make? Currently i know the best decision is to exactly finish what i started and definitely do not take on new projects.

Finish what ive got on my plate before making any decisions to commit further. Plus these projects are massive in scope. Lots of coding. Even when its done, it could benefit from a full refactor for efficiency. Then again, i dont want to be coding 2 years from now.
1454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 28, 2015, 04:19:44 PM
Hm,

The no 1. of the richlist is dumping day in day out.
BBRU7aDj...
134,009,229.1 BAY   13.39 %   3 hours 33 minutes

http://nl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wiu7ua&s=8#.VRYy2PmG8vk

David is it you or the guy from Bter?

This way BAY will never grow..

WTF are you talking?
thats my wallet, if you look further then your nose  you can see i only stake with it, so my wallet is growing and growing
how can you say it's dumping?

Hmm... So that means that BTERs address already got broken up. That may explain the 4-5 addresses below yours.
1455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 28, 2015, 12:01:14 PM
Hm,

The no 1. of the richlist is dumping day in day out.
BBRU7aDj...
134,009,229.1 BAY   13.39 %   3 hours 33 minutes

http://nl.tinypic.com/view.php?pic=wiu7ua&s=8#.VRYy2PmG8vk

David is it you or the guy from Bter?

This way BAY will never grow..

Of course not, i wouldnt dump on the people here. My addresses are all the ones with the lowercase "b" in front of them. There are a bunch. Also I have about 5 wallets with a bigger "B" if u want, i can share those addresses. I can't even use that wallet because it got mixed with my watchonly wallet. So i have to dump the private keys to remove the coins from QT. I can only stake with it right now. Also the top address is most likely BTER. We found out that it was split between me, Lin and Steven perhaps a few others split BTERs address. If they withdraw from the exchange wallet, it could explain the movement. Regardless, i did a withdraw after BTER got hacked and now only hold about 1% on the exchange.

Realize this, if a wallet was selling on an exchange, you wouldnt notice that on the richlist because exchanges don't trade live coins. So its would be hard to tell the difference from a deposit/withdraw for the sake of purchase. Besides, we cant see withdraws in BTC.
1456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 27, 2015, 05:40:19 PM
I think it's stupid and foolish to license out the Halo technology at this point. This will mean the death of Bitbay as it loses its exclusivity.

Here's what I suggest. Put all thoughts of licensing to the back of your mind now.

Build Bithalo. Make it awesome. Make it polish. Make it so that you get a 6 inch boner every time you think about it. Develop a reputation for being awesome. Make it a masterpiece.

Once everyone knows the beauty and power. The demand for their own version will be there. You can license then.

One thing at a time, David.

Dont worry, im not licensing to coins right now. Ive got a list of companies that are interested(in smart contracts) once im done building out.
1457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 27, 2015, 03:51:57 AM
David, when you've talked about "licensing halo" for another altcoin, do you mean that the altcoin would get its own decentralized market with double deposit escrow capability from you, or the existing market would start supporting that altcoin in addition to BTC, BLK, and BAY, or the altcoin would have to create its own market place but could use halo to implement double deposit escrow?


Pretty much yeah. However, it depends on what the coin wants. For example, some businesses come to me with interest in using debit cards or perhaps telcom stuff or really its been completely random each deal is different. One guy wants to have me code Halo for large tax swaps (hes a lawyer so his company would be forced to be escrow in this case). To be honest, if a coin wanted markets at this point im not sure what i would say. I'm really busy right now and not ready to take on more work.

With that said, if it was in regards to NightTrader then year, the most obvious choice would be awarding coins a Halo for getting a spot within the markets. But it wouldnt exactly go to "any" coin. Should a Halo be extended to ALL coins? Should Kittycoin get a Halo? How about Flappycoin? I'm going to have to measure the coin by its community, dev and future.

Ive not really decided what is best for the future yet. So i guess any coins interested would just have to talk to me. For now, im going to give a lot of thought to who gets one. I was thinking of Dogecoin to be honest because they are cool and memes are fun. Plus, i would have a lot of fun making their Halo.
1458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 26, 2015, 02:49:22 PM
The BitBay client works fine its only calling the daemons as a subprocess. Bitbayd and Blackcoind. Getting a static build that is good for commercial release.

For example we were told getting a linux build for all versions of linux in one client is not practical because of libraries for certain computers being different. Our windows build works on 100% of the systems currently. The others working on more than 90% (according to reports vs download counter)


Commercial release ? Smiley

Linux versions do not vary by "computer". There are three main versions of Linux and most other distros are versions of those versions. Those are RedHat, Debian, Suse. For instance, anything compiled on Redhat will run on CentOs. The only thing that varies for executables are library linkages, so compiling for any particular distro fixes that. Most all distros you'll ever see are available for free on distrowatch.com. You can just boot them into a VM in virtualbox and do a compile to produce the executables for your code. Easy Peasy. Are you distributing you Linux code as .tgz or native packages?

I take some of that back. Linux does vary by hardware architecture. X86, IBM power Series. You're not going to be running in AIX lpars by any chance, are you? Smiley Smiley

Also a static build of the client should work on all X86 based distros without a problem.

Not exactly true, lubuntu, mint and other platforms all differ slightly. Depending on the libraries, this may matter and we have seen it make a difference. Shit even windows distros on windows 7 arent the same! Lots of computers are different. If I had a github for people to pull and run the source, then it wouldnt be a problem. For linux its a tarball but we make deb files. I've even noticed a difference on Mac platforms.

Also, there is the simple fact that 32 and 64 bit is different. We only have 64 bit builds for Linux and Mac. 32 bit for Windows. I used to build windows 64 but regressed to 32 so it would always be the same. I was told 64 bit linux wasnt backwards compatible but have not tested that yet since we only have 64 bit build anyways. Not to mention it runs bitmessage, coin daemons and all the qt and crypto python libraries. So there is tons of things to consider when packaging for disto.

I must have still been sleeping. Use Docker and all these problems go away.

Ok I will give that a shot. Thanks.
1459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 26, 2015, 02:44:53 PM
Did you install to somewhere where you have no write access? Or are you trying to save keys to certain directories without write access? I saw this issue before with my friends computer. It wasnt allowed to save to certain directories! Go ahead and see where you can write to. Also, make sure it has admin privelages.

Does the client display an error message when it experiences a write error?

Nope, but the write permission error will only happen when trying to make new wallets. If it happened with the core program, it wouldnt load.

Oh! One reason for the error too might be to save to a folder that isnt unicode. For example, you have a non-alphanumeric character in your username like a chinese character. I think its a pyqt thing. Bitmessage had the same bug which is why i simply save their data locally.

Ouch. Nothing pisses me off like programs that fail silently. Many issues are easily overcome if the programmer just gets the error out to the display. Aren't you checking return codes or something?

There are no such things as Unicode folders. NTFS supports unicode. All filenames are saved as unicode. Otherwise things like French and German don't work well. Pyqt seems to handle unicode correctly if you use the calls correctly. bitmessage had programming errors that were fixed with patches. Since NTFS supports Unicode at the file system level, what do you mean by "save their data locally" ? What do unicode usernames have to do with saving files? Or maybe I'm completely missing something here? Smiley

Bitmessage did not fix this specific bug. I had to fix it manually. Try running it on a German computer and then get back to me Cheesy ... Sadly, pyqt doesnt handle it correctly at least natively from version 4. Its on my bug tracker to be fixed but havent had the time to look into that one.

What i meant by saving data locally was that i dont save bitmessage data in the default datadir in roaming. Instead, i save to install path. I had to change this manually in their source, its not a big deal. Because on a German or Chinese computer, their username may use foreign characters and those would cause Bitmessage to fail. So no, not every bug is so transparent. Of course, in pyqt my solution will be different however there is two folder issues. One being for foreign characters and another being for windows BS security that doesnt let you write to certain directories unless you run as admin. Oh and i almost forgot. I've got an admin hack but it doesnt work on the subprocesses. To blackcoind needs to be run as admin too on certain computers from the terminal/console. I can just have it called with the asadmin flag. I'm not sure if all systems will allow that though.
1460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official BitBay Thread |Smart Contracts Wallet UPDATE|Decentralized Marketplace on: March 26, 2015, 02:39:35 PM
The BitBay client works fine its only calling the daemons as a subprocess. Bitbayd and Blackcoind. Getting a static build that is good for commercial release.

For example we were told getting a linux build for all versions of linux in one client is not practical because of libraries for certain computers being different. Our windows build works on 100% of the systems currently. The others working on more than 90% (according to reports vs download counter)


Commercial release ? Smiley

Linux versions do not vary by "computer". There are three main versions of Linux and most other distros are versions of those versions. Those are RedHat, Debian, Suse. For instance, anything compiled on Redhat will run on CentOs. The only thing that varies for executables are library linkages, so compiling for any particular distro fixes that. Most all distros you'll ever see are available for free on distrowatch.com. You can just boot them into a VM in virtualbox and do a compile to produce the executables for your code. Easy Peasy. Are you distributing you Linux code as .tgz or native packages?

I take some of that back. Linux does vary by hardware architecture. X86, IBM power Series. You're not going to be running in AIX lpars by any chance, are you? Smiley Smiley

Also a static build of the client should work on all X86 based distros without a problem.

Not exactly true, lubuntu, mint and other platforms all differ slightly. Depending on the libraries, this may matter and we have seen it make a difference. Shit even windows distros on windows 7 arent the same! Lots of computers are different. If I had a github for people to pull and run the source, then it wouldnt be a problem. For linux its a tarball but we make deb files. I've even noticed a difference on Mac platforms.

Also, there is the simple fact that 32 and 64 bit is different. We only have 64 bit builds for Linux and Mac. 32 bit for Windows. I used to build windows 64 but regressed to 32 so it would always be the same. I was told 64 bit linux wasnt backwards compatible but have not tested that yet since we only have 64 bit build anyways. Not to mention it runs bitmessage, coin daemons and all the qt and crypto python libraries. So there is tons of things to consider when packaging for disto.
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