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1501  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 16, 2016, 02:16:45 AM
Big Vern wouldn't tell anyone what happened until the class action lawsuit was filed.  Then he knew the game was over.

Horus held on to the scam until Big Vern admitted it was over.

So how well did you know Vern, Horus?  



I've met him twice in real life, but I live in a different country so that isn't too uncommon.  I never really reported directly to bigvern, it was always my bosses like CFO and COO who did.

you often said you'd talk directly to the wallet guys. vern aside the rest of the team can give you an indication of shit not working and why. 3 months is a long time for a company to resolve technical issues benefit of the doubt doesnt last that long.

i can assume your line managers knew shit was wrong. its impossible nobody else insider knowledge or not didnt have a feeling things were up. you either had to believe now that the entire cryptsy staff were dense your managers and all or 1 person vern really did have the secret fix button.

Honest question here horus but if your fiat bank stopped operating for 3 months and your atm requests for $200 only popped out $5 two weeks later but your bank said thanks for your patience.... what would your honest guess be 3 months later? cmon man......
1502  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW / Josh Garza discussion Paycoin XPY xpy.io BTCLend LNC. ALWAYS MAKE MONEY :) on: January 15, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
Lmao cryptsy let a shitcoin steal all their bitcoin and didn't tell anyone http://blog.cryptsy.com/post/137323646202/announcement

First of all, are they retarded and not put each shitcoin in a vm? Second vern probably stole it and is now in China.

A trojan stole coins from a "cold" wallet. I think someone didn't think this story through well enough.

Yeah no vm and no manual compiling of random shitcoin? Vern cant keep his lies straight. I segregated my own bitpopcoin even when I compiled it myself. DO is only $5/month.

I wonder if someone could actually find the trojan code:

https://github.com/alerj78/lucky7coin

Otherwise the questions is what source Cryptsy compiled the wallet from.

didnt they always go on about how tight their security was? how thats how they've never been hacked?

im still stuck on how cold storage is hacked. how can a trojan affect an offline source thatdidnt touch the net?
1503  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 15, 2016, 09:29:57 AM
Oh, and I forgot to mention that T0urist may or may not be related to Marshall Long.  Wink Wink Wink

Correct on half of that. T0urist (with a zero) is my gaming handle and an inactive account here I haven't used since back then. My last name is Long correct. But my first name is Chris and not Marshall, I am from Australia.

That post was from when I bought 2 x spondoolies miners that I used for some mining for fun. The GST import cost was a pain.
1504  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 15, 2016, 05:04:56 AM
I think the lost funds were cold storage which begs the question... manual moving of coins was needed to refill.... so how did that hack happen if its offline?

Doesn't look like cold storage. Most funds gone in one transaction, not a slow bleed via refills:

https://www.walletexplorer.com/txid/c7b46a79fd8887038bd3a8e884b04820038415a60e0b9d2c2f5bcff68a2687bf




Chat removed from site... o noes.... lets hide it more

But you can still read from

http://www.nickelbot.com/supertrollbox.php

Just don't refresh your cryptsy page or navigate elsewhere or you lose chat.. I confirmed this.
1505  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 15, 2016, 04:53:52 AM
This BigVern's story is an utter bullshit.

1. How come he could run BTC, LTC and some unknown shitcoin wallets within the same physical machine AND virtual machine? I don't do this even on my desktop!

2. 13,000 BTC and 300,000 LTC in HOT wallets? BTC was about $580 and LTC $7.5 at the alleged theft time. That's a grand total of nearly $10 million! Again, in hot wallets? Are you fucking kidding me?

3. All wallets on exchange MUST be encrypted with their keys stored elsewhere in top security. Even if a wallet server is compromised, nothing can be sent out without knowledge of these keys. That's a no-brainer.


I think the lost funds were cold storage which begs the question... manual moving of coins was needed to refill.... so how did that hack happen if its offline?

Starts to make sense now too... the coinfire stories resulted in withdrawals... the change of fee structure was there to combat that.. didn't work.

Paybans.. those were in to generate more money to cryptsy as portion was taken.

Garza prime controller and volumes... more cash to repay hack



Everything fits the grasping at straws desperation. Makes Paul Vernon a slime ball that hid things. Would you trust him in the future if this was fixed? He's done it once likely to lie again. Cryptsy will close withdrawals all soon. Feds come in... Lots of shitstorming. Crypto doesn't need this crap.
1506  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 15, 2016, 04:48:43 AM
so let me see if I get it...


They got hacked over a year ago and didn't bother to report it? The theft of customers money and they said nothing???

they continued to take in new money and let little bits trickle out... I assume that Vern got paid...

How is this not a ponzi scam?


The feds will be all over this in a matter of days, and will tear the place apart to look for evidence if there is any left to find.
Do you think the admins knew what was happening? If there is any email evidence anywhere that they knew, are they going to jail with Vern?
 

Probably... karpeles headed that way eventually. I don't think its not my fault the bad hacker did it works in court if you don't declare the hacks straight away.
1507  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 15, 2016, 04:35:56 AM
plz define "a couple other"  Huh

A word might be missing there. Couple dozen, couple hundred?

i like how he wants our input, but really no way to contact them haha. the chat was disabled, wasnt it?

He's reading this thread, no worries. Although the blog post was not signed, so who's "he"?

Its no wonder they wanted that prime controller and Garza's volume now right? Remember xmas 2014? That was a few months after the hack BigVern would have been grasping at anything he could get volume wise to make that back..


However after 1 year they were able to reduce losses from 13,000 btc to 10,000 btc... that's 3000 btc in a year if price accelerates it would have taken them forever to pay back.

Also that china exchange if its to be believed that the scripts were sold... are they vulnerable? whos to say it was an irc bot? I suspect cryptsy china was a desperate effort to get some china customers to make the rest of the worlds user funds in normal cryptsy whole.


We need some Horus truth now... its out in the open and I suspect our boy horus knows more than he said due to NDA or something else....
1508  Economy / Exchanges / cryptsy hacked - bigvern on cryptsy blog on: January 15, 2016, 04:15:28 AM
http://blog.cryptsy.com/

Assuming its bigvern making the statement and the blog hasn't been compromised as well... which I think its him personally.

happened supposedly through a dodgy wallet... Don't they review all code?
1509  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 15, 2016, 04:12:05 AM
Right. So they lied for a year and a half but it's Coinfire's fault that the shit hit the fan.


That's one of the things I said I doubt its divorce likely hacked, sec or something more nefarious...

My big question now is did horus know and just refuse to say under NDA etc? He can say now because its on the blog... as the security guy either he was in the dark or held back and if he held back and continued to work then its pretty unethical.

So all along the fudders saying that cryptsy never been hacked were lies... Vern's hit on coinfire saying that cryptsy had issues was bs... ? This is dodgy as vern should of reported it at the time.

Funny how the trollbox on cryptsy is all empty now where are the admins facing the music?
1510  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 07:40:46 AM
Digitalsannity649
@rossh174:the court has frozen wallets until divorce case is resolved - its not a scew up in that sense
timotheederetz126

This is the real reason, folks.  Roll Eyes Tongue Roll Eyes

That's bullshit. The cold wallets aren't Paul's person asset and stash its customer funds. The only thing that would be frozen would be pauls personal addresses and good luck them knowing which is which.

There is no way that the divorce case is the result of the cold wallets being frozen. There is a lot more going on than just a silly divorce settlement.

Documents were already posted PROVING you wrong !
Project Investors was named in the court proceedings..
AND YEAH that includes Cryptsy CHINA.
Read the topic.. just go back a few pages and read it.
did the documents say cold wallets seized? i dont see entire funds being frozen of customers for a divorce. pauls property is fees off trades not thetrade values themselves. im not debating a divorce settlement occuring but i doubt half customer funds go to his wife and half to him. those are customer funds!!!

Due to the owner of Bob's Custom Sofa getting a divorce, half of the fully paid for custom sofas may be delivered while the other half will be going to Bob's Asian wife as a divorce settlement. Same true for all deposits on-hand that had yet go toward the purchase of materials to start on clients' custom sofas.

Please read Dave's article in Sofa Monthly to learn the truth as to what's happening at Bob's Custom Sofa during these trying times.

Seriously? That can't be right... its a completely messed up world if any business you deal with you have to worry about them staying afloat on top of their marital problems at home....

For an exchange though aren't the crypto deposited not the exchanges property? I.e. they act as a holding ground who hold said coins on your behalf to allow you to utilise these in trades? Its still customer property right? I'm not a lawyer and don't have any experience in this field but it seems like a massive abuse loophole... whats to stop someone starting a business raking in a crap load of preorders... having their wife "fake divorce them" go bankrupt filing then run with half somewhere...

Would the wife in this case also inherit half the orders to fulfil? Seems stupid to me.

I love how your trying hard STILL to work your Cryptsy defense rhetoric into some workable theory.
But i suggest you get your ass in school and learn about law and economics etc.
Ever heard of the housing marketing crash ?
Recall banks going out of business unless the US gov propped them up ?
I can go on for ages about that but let's just point out that when the
world seen the crash the made a bank run.. why ?
Because the banks control your money.
You can sit there on your ass babbling on about theory until your blue in the face..
but the world works how it works and nothing will change that.

That is some shit Jagropolite would say too LOL
And the evidence is astounding when i look.
Like fuck.. you have been harping on the same EXACT arguments all along on Cryptsy chat ROFL

I blew your cover and have caught you lying and this bothers you for a number of reasons..

A times you have been bad mouthing Cryptsy while simultaneously kissing their ass.
And you know damn well your ties to cyberpinoy, Terrik, Stakeminers and NET are going to get you in Trouble.

Hell i bet HippieTech is already sniffing at you NOW ahhahaha
After i looking.. who was it that decided to sit on the NET topic ?
pinoy & Terrik's chat buddy Jagropolite AKA: o0o0 the NET Team member LOL
Why would this matter because you were on that topic harping endlessly about cyberpinoy's picture being faked.
Then proclaiming you were friends with them and had video chatted with them.
Just like Jagropolite..
Did those 2 scammers know your here bad mouthing Cryptsy too ?
It makes sense there is another guy that jumps in with the 'pinoy drama and we see who now.
Pick your friends better buddy..
Cryptsy, Stakeminers, cyberpinoy, Terrik, Horus, Mullick, and JShock are not the best of choices ROFL
You haven't blown my cover because i'm not that person. I offered to prove it and its up to you to take that offer and I'm still willing to do that.. help me help you show I'm not that person.

I haven't been bad mouthing cryptsy then kissing their ass. Ive been frequently banned for questioning them on things as stated. I have no ties to cyberpinoy nor terrik and stake miners other than they hold netcoin and I do too. That would be akin to saying I'm involved with mt gox because I hold bitcoin as to which I do as well.

My listing on the netcoin page is due to snappy of the netcoin team. He added that on his own accord not my request and come to mention it I will request its removal. My addition there was due to when I first got some netcoin going I got into speaking with snappy and advised and talked to him about rearranging the coin team. I provided some basic word documents on holocracy and helped him organise their meeting. I am a large netcoin holder as well so I wont deny that. I acquired this due to liking the staking mechanism as its continuous reliable time based rewards nothing more. I tried hyper stake, hobonickels, tek, clams and others at the time to find the staker I liked best.

I argued on bigj's picture being faked because I talk to bigj and I don't believe him and cyber to be the same person take a look at the pics.. of course the cyber Leroy whatever pic is faked he put his head on some president sitting at a desk whatever... hippie didn't take up a video offer to see them both.

I never said I was friends with cyber and terrik, I said I talk to bigj. I've had arguments with terrik so I'm not sure how that constitutes friends... on the contrary I think its funny how he was pro cryptsy and now decides that cryptsy isn't so awesome. I'll say it to his face.




Again I can't make this any clearer and its easy to resolve all this once and for all... if you know who Jagropolite is and agree its what gleb pointed out... then I am happy to provide some proof of your choosing to the contrary... please take me up on this offer?

The only thing I ask once you are wrong is your retractment without removing your posts and an apology.. is it that hard to want and pursue the truth or are you more interested in just posting what you think?
1511  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 05:18:54 AM
It started as just BigVern , then BitJohn gained access. When he left I gained access for a small amount of time, but I do not have it anymore.
My guess is wither Paul or JShock posted that twitter status. I agree they should change his picture to a picture of Cryptsy or something as it is our official twitter.

Sure seems like the whole Phishing attack was staged. The Phishing site was removed in record time.

Horus: "We got the site taken down"

You guys at cryptsy have the friggin NSA on staff or what?




The whole thing looks like a puppet show.



Phishing site removed or not its still a leak. They still have the info so how hard is it to make a million free spam sites to use this data... ? the site isn't the problem holding the customer data is.

Epic fail again.
1512  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 05:17:39 AM
It started as just BigVern , then BitJohn gained access. When he left I gained access for a small amount of time, but I do not have it anymore.
My guess is wither Paul or JShock posted that twitter status. I agree they should change his picture to a picture of Cryptsy or something as it is our official twitter.

Time to jump ship bro or at least temporarily remove yourself. Its only going to ruin your integrity. It'll follow you where you go. If I was you i'd be emailing vern saying call me on my mobile number XXX XXX X XX  to talk on this else I am resigning.

If he chooses to continuing paying keep it aside to return in the event of court proceedings and move on with your life. This exchange has been a show of crappiness for the last 3 months sliding downhill... i'd be distancing myself. You seem to answer questions honestly and I can't for the life of me understand why you'd risk your reputation on them for a measly small paycheck.
1513  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 04:41:03 AM
Now to be fair, I do not "amass" Identification. I have access to applications to work in investigations. None of the servers are even here in Canada as far as I know.
Lame that you run out of facts and throw speculation around. Team is investigating what happened as we speak. They will find out and when they do we will email and Ill come here and fill you guys in as I find out.

Horus,

Who posts as the vern avatar from twitter? I think it is only fair to users that this be announces via twitter as a lot of people are taking it as vern is speaking when he truly isn't... in the interest of ethics shouldn't the twitter handle be cryptsy without verns picture etc?

Are you able to say who posts as that vern picture because it is very deceiving.
1514  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 04:23:55 AM
people are getting emails and sms's now with phishing links... tell me now hmmm how are only cryptsy numbers getting these texts? retards in cryptsy chat box are saying bet its fromt he gox mailing lists... sure cause people put phone numbers there.

I'm wondering if our old pal paul vern has sold off some info to scammers. Or maybe a pissed off insider that hasn't been paid and decided they can get their payment this way through data selling.

Makes me thankful I have just the google auth mode and didn't give my mobile number.

Horus should probably get right on that being the security guy to find the leak source right? Bad for cryptsy too.. mobile data leak opens up law suits. That shitty exchange just got more shitty.

Wasn't it Horus that was in position to amass vitals in the first place.


"Oh my fuckin' God, girls, it's Horus the Fox! We didn't see that coming, and the sun was even out. Quick, hide the nest eggs!"

To be fair because I like to errr on the side of caution I think horus has "access" to the vitals to verify as security but I don't think he amasses them. The sites automated system for upload amasses them.

Basically for the leak if it is a leak, anyone with "access" to the vitals is now a suspect. If it comes lawsuit time all those people with "access" are now suspects. If I was horus i'd fuckin run from the place. I'm not sure why he is so hellbent on sticking around as jobs are "hard" to come by. I personally think integrity and my past work history is more important than a current paycheck. Fuck i'd rather take a welfare check than risk that.

Again not saying he was or wasn't the person but yeah he does have "access" to those records. I'm not sure who else does... maybe as the resident cryptsy "security" and pr guy he can tell us who has "access" to those records.

Hmmmmmm! I'm in Canada, I work for a con artist, I work from home, I use my own computer, everybody thinks I'm shit anyway, so I guess I'll just add this here little program on my computer to capture vitals to be sold on the black market as severance pay when Cryptsy goes kaputski while seeking new employment in the law enforcement space I've majored in college while attending my local Masonic Lodge.

That is definitely a possibility i'll agree. More reason that he's threat to quit if he doesn't hear from vern should be followed through on. Else he is putting himself in the spotlight for speculation. Must be a big paycheck to keep risking that....

These guys have mailing lists and correspondence I'm sure... I suspect they are scared of their NDA... though that didn't go too good for Josh Garza and his threats did it? I'm pretty sure an NDA shouldn't mean shit if you are a scammer conman. I suspect Horus, JShock and others know a lot more than they let on but won't release.
1515  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 04:22:30 AM

I suspect that's not vern.. its about time the person posting as vern announced its a handle used by multiple staff. I believe though I could be wrong that Horus said he posts from it. Which is shit... its making it look like vern is talking but its a number of people.

The banners changing on cryptsy and these tweets show someone has a lot more access than they proclaim and its not fookin vern. There is way more going on behind the scenes in a nefarious way than most think. Horus is a bit silly for hanging around... cmon you're the security guy and even you are blind to the going ons....

Where are the hills again... run for them.
1516  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 04:12:16 AM
people are getting emails and sms's now with phishing links... tell me now hmmm how are only cryptsy numbers getting these texts? retards in cryptsy chat box are saying bet its fromt he gox mailing lists... sure cause people put phone numbers there.

I'm wondering if our old pal paul vern has sold off some info to scammers. Or maybe a pissed off insider that hasn't been paid and decided they can get their payment this way through data selling.

Makes me thankful I have just the google auth mode and didn't give my mobile number.

Horus should probably get right on that being the security guy to find the leak source right? Bad for cryptsy too.. mobile data leak opens up law suits. That shitty exchange just got more shitty.

Wasn't it Horus that was in position to amass vitals in the first place.


"Oh my fuckin' God, girls, it's Horus the Fox! We didn't see that coming, and the sun was even out. Quick, hide the nest eggs!"

To be fair because I like to errr on the side of caution I think horus has "access" to the vitals to verify as security but I don't think he amasses them. The sites automated system for upload amasses them.

Basically for the leak if it is a leak, anyone with "access" to the vitals is now a suspect. If it comes lawsuit time all those people with "access" are now suspects. If I was horus i'd fuckin run from the place. I'm not sure why he is so hellbent on sticking around as jobs are "hard" to come by. I personally think integrity and my past work history is more important than a current paycheck. Fuck i'd rather take a welfare check than risk that.

Again not saying he was or wasn't the person but yeah he does have "access" to those records. I'm not sure who else does... maybe as the resident cryptsy "security" and pr guy he can tell us who has "access" to those records.
1517  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 03:47:49 AM
people are getting emails and sms's now with phishing links... tell me now hmmm how are only cryptsy numbers getting these texts? retards in cryptsy chat box are saying bet its fromt he gox mailing lists... sure cause people put phone numbers there.

I'm wondering if our old pal paul vern has sold off some info to scammers. Or maybe a pissed off insider that hasn't been paid and decided they can get their payment this way through data selling.

Makes me thankful I have just the google auth mode and didn't give my mobile number.

Horus should probably get right on that being the security guy to find the leak source right? Bad for cryptsy too.. mobile data leak opens up law suits. That shitty exchange just got more shitty.
1518  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 02:33:56 AM
I would bet my left nut in a heart beat you are Jagropolite.
And it's coming together nicely now..

I watched as 3 guys on Cryptsy chat were there always defending cryptsy
- cyberpinoy
- Terrik
- Jagropolite

I met Jag when i registered a month after Cryptsy opened.. he was there when it started.
I know this guy well.. 3 years.

Last few months i had posted comments on here directed at Jagropolite to comment on here.
Because he was coming to the forum and this section !
And he was commenting on the topic before and after this one.. avoiding this one perm 100% forever.
HE STILL has not commented on this topic one time.
But he HAS been highly vocal on the Cryptsy Troll-box defending Cryptsy every day calling us all FUD'sters etc
with Terrik + cyberpinoy.
I had called him out to say something on this topic numerous times.
As he clearly read it i can tell by his chat box comments.

Jag has a history cough cough ADT hahahah

So what has he been up to lately ?

NET coin !

Not once did i see this 0o0o0o name guy on any chat box ever.
Who has been listed as NET staff ?
0o0o0o0o
Who has been best friends with 'pinoy and Terrik admitting to skyping with them lots etc ?
Jagropolite..

I looked at this guys comment history and i see an obsession with him..
He is hell bent on proving BigJ is not Terrik or 'pinoy..
Because it's him !
Prob one of countless alt's he puppets.

Wanna know why i started looking Jag ?

Look at your alt name here.. o0o0

Then check this out..

Lurker: ROFL turns out ex-Mrs Vern is getting half of what I paid to payban Vern
Dren84: if there was a decent alternative to cryptsy they would be raking in the users right now...
Jagrapolite: @Lurker: NoOoOoOoOo!!! lol
Dren84: I'm surprised more ex-spouses don't end up dead.
Dren84: with the divorce laws in the states
MrMinerVa: @Dren84:hahahaah
Dren84: morbid...but still
Lurker: @Dren84: evil exists in the world, not all of us choose to partake in it though
MrMinerVa: @Dren84:funny, relative offered to "talk to" my x, I said no
mdoggy16955: i sure hope cryptsy fixes this issue ASAP. i've been using this site for a few years now and it's only been recently where i've been disappointed
alexg987643: if cryptsy dont get allive this is going to be dissaster for  BTC community
Dren84: @mdoggy16955: cryptsy rocked until recently
CryptsyBanHammer: NOTE: ANY MORE TALK LIKE THAT ABOUT VERNS WIFE WILL BE MET WITH A PERM BAN
----

We really upset them now guys!! Better stop discussing Lorie Ann Nettles or we'll all get permabanned! /s

Also, it looks like they're censoring "gox" now:

mdoggy16955: i read that cryptsy is turning into mt X X X ... i hope not



I have not seen ANYONE in crypto type like that but YOU !
And why i looked at o0o0 post history it seals the deal.. done
case closed.

Deal with HippieTech now LOL

PS:
The other *unmentioned* names in that NET COIN list will be dealt with eventually.

We have a crew / of Cryptsy Shill's that have a long history.
And gradually it's been exposed.


This is Jag: https://www.quora.com/profile/Joan-Smith-39

So if you are 100% sure that is jagropolite I'm quite happy to do some kind of verification over video conference or the like showing myself... I can use the camera on my surface pro to show me logging into bitcointalk or the like for validation. I mentioned him/her because I didn't know jag's gender but that does make it very easy me being male. Happy to prove this on condition once done I receive a retractment and apology on the accusation of being jagropolite.
1519  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 02:15:37 AM
Digitalsannity649
@rossh174:the court has frozen wallets until divorce case is resolved - its not a scew up in that sense
timotheederetz126

This is the real reason, folks.  Roll Eyes Tongue Roll Eyes

That's bullshit. The cold wallets aren't Paul's person asset and stash its customer funds. The only thing that would be frozen would be pauls personal addresses and good luck them knowing which is which.

There is no way that the divorce case is the result of the cold wallets being frozen. There is a lot more going on than just a silly divorce settlement.

Documents were already posted PROVING you wrong !
Project Investors was named in the court proceedings..
AND YEAH that includes Cryptsy CHINA.
Read the topic.. just go back a few pages and read it.
did the documents say cold wallets seized? i dont see entire funds being frozen of customers for a divorce. pauls property is fees off trades not thetrade values themselves. im not debating a divorce settlement occuring but i doubt half customer funds go to his wife and half to him. those are customer funds!!!

Due to the owner of Bob's Custom Sofa getting a divorce, half of the fully paid for custom sofas may be delivered while the other half will be going to Bob's Asian wife as a divorce settlement. Same true for all deposits on-hand that had yet go toward the purchase of materials to start on clients' custom sofas.

Please read Dave's article in Sofa Monthly to learn the truth as to what's happening at Bob's Custom Sofa during these trying times.

Seriously? That can't be right... its a completely messed up world if any business you deal with you have to worry about them staying afloat on top of their marital problems at home....

For an exchange though aren't the crypto deposited not the exchanges property? I.e. they act as a holding ground who hold said coins on your behalf to allow you to utilise these in trades? Its still customer property right? I'm not a lawyer and don't have any experience in this field but it seems like a massive abuse loophole... whats to stop someone starting a business raking in a crap load of preorders... having their wife "fake divorce them" go bankrupt filing then run with half somewhere...

Would the wife in this case also inherit half the orders to fulfil? Seems stupid to me.


In other words, Craptsy was designed to be fucked from inception.  And so were their clients/users/depositors...  Without lube...

http://blogs.findlaw.com/free_enterprise/2013/07/3-ways-to-protect-business-assets-in-divorce.html

3 ways to protect a business from divorce:

1) pre or post nuptial agreements
2) Form as an LLC
3) Have a good relationship with your ex

Not sure about the states but I had read in Australia that prenuptials are useless when a child enters and they have to be made not under duress etc. #3 is almost impossible as we are dealing with other human beings so tomorrow they could just spaz out.
1520  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action on: January 13, 2016, 02:13:38 AM
Digitalsannity649
@rossh174:the court has frozen wallets until divorce case is resolved - its not a scew up in that sense
timotheederetz126

This is the real reason, folks.  Roll Eyes Tongue Roll Eyes

That's bullshit. The cold wallets aren't Paul's person asset and stash its customer funds. The only thing that would be frozen would be pauls personal addresses and good luck them knowing which is which.

There is no way that the divorce case is the result of the cold wallets being frozen. There is a lot more going on than just a silly divorce settlement.

Documents were already posted PROVING you wrong !
Project Investors was named in the court proceedings..
AND YEAH that includes Cryptsy CHINA.
Read the topic.. just go back a few pages and read it.
did the documents say cold wallets seized? i dont see entire funds being frozen of customers for a divorce. pauls property is fees off trades not thetrade values themselves. im not debating a divorce settlement occuring but i doubt half customer funds go to his wife and half to him. those are customer funds!!!

Due to the owner of Bob's Custom Sofa getting a divorce, half of the fully paid for custom sofas may be delivered while the other half will be going to Bob's Asian wife as a divorce settlement. Same true for all deposits on-hand that had yet go toward the purchase of materials to start on clients' custom sofas.

Please read Dave's article in Sofa Monthly to learn the truth as to what's happening at Bob's Custom Sofa during these trying times.

Seriously? That can't be right... its a completely messed up world if any business you deal with you have to worry about them staying afloat on top of their marital problems at home....

For an exchange though aren't the crypto deposited not the exchanges property? I.e. they act as a holding ground who hold said coins on your behalf to allow you to utilise these in trades? Its still customer property right? I'm not a lawyer and don't have any experience in this field but it seems like a massive abuse loophole... whats to stop someone starting a business raking in a crap load of preorders... having their wife "fake divorce them" go bankrupt filing then run with half somewhere...

Would the wife in this case also inherit half the orders to fulfil? Seems stupid to me.

It's probably cheaper to organize the company as a partnership than a corp so there's that... but corps are separate from personal... as long as the veil isn't pierced the business can't be seized in the event of a personal issue... i.e. divorce...

In other words, Craptsy was designed to be fucked from inception.  And so were their clients/users/depositors...  Without lube...

So vern is smart enough to try his belize shit etc but not smart enough to cover his other tracks? This is an exchange that claims superior security and all that other bullshit.

Honestly after seeing this shitshow I wish a true decentralised exchange was created... something where you can just do wallet to wallet trades of one coin to another and a bit goes off to a change address or something for the services fees. I was looking at using poloniex and bittrex but no matter where you go or what you read there is all this doubt... maybe I just go back to doing trade by trade in small amounts or something. Maybe just cash my alts back to bitcoin and run away for 6 months and come back after the halving Smiley. Probably the only sensible way.
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