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1601  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading or investment! What's your take? on: May 24, 2023, 06:19:55 PM
The choice between trading and investment depends on one's personal preferences, risk tolerance, time availability, and expertise. Some individuals may find trading exciting and enjoy the hands-on approach, while others may prefer the relatively passive nature of long-term investment. It's essential to thoroughly educate oneself about both approaches, understand the associated risks, and consider your own skills and circumstances before deciding which path to pursue.
before choosing between the two, it is better to understand the characteristics between trading and investing, so that we can determine which one to choose. for me choosing both would be better, especially for trading, if later I become a pro trader, then I can meet my daily needs from trading results, and the results from investments can be used as savings. it is not easy to trade, because it has complex problems. but I think enjoying the process will be better, and when it's time to retire, we can still make daily money from the trading business. most people who fail to trade because they give up, of course we can take lessons from all of that, because the learning process is not in a short time
This is true, we can definitely do both of them and that is what I have done so far in my life as well. I had some great investments back in the day based on pure luck, not because I was great at it or anything but because I was just lucky and nothing more. But then at the end of the day, it resulted with me getting something much better on the long run and this meant that I could be just focusing on anything that would be radically easy because my investments turned into trading as well, just a small part, and sometimes I made money off them and sometimes I lost money off them.

This is how I approach it today and I do make some good profit based on that as well. This is why I highly suggest start with investment and the more you earn, the easier it would be to use those profits for trading.
1602  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Is there any point to start trading with 20$? on: May 24, 2023, 04:21:49 PM
You can start trading with $10  but you can think to learn trading with $10  and gain experience,but for trading also you cannot place a trade less than 10 dollars so it means that if you place a trade and your trade loses then you will not be able to place next trade.So I think it's a waste of time to start trading with such a small amount.

Capital is very important to start any business or trade even if one does not have much capital but it is not the goal to start trading with $10.So I think it is important to have a good amount for trading so that you can gain experience and earn profit.
besides that psychologically people will underestimate small capital, for example if we trade with small capital then we are less focused on observing all conditions, and think more because of small capital then it's okay to lose. On the other hand, we learn to use large funds according to our individual abilities, so there will be a lot of pressure that will be faced, so we tend to be more careful and can trade regularly because we really think it is real money, not just try or play around in trading, and of course from the two comparisons we can judge whether the losses are using small capital
I agree that it is not going to be that easy to figure out how we could make this much change, in the end we are talking about a situation where it is not that easy to handle and we may end up with a lot more trouble. So that means if we are at a stage where we start with small capital then we will do the exact same thing as we start with bigger capital, if not then that small capital will always stay a small capital.

In fact, people may take more risks with smaller capital, and that would be even worse because they will most likely end up losing it all, whereas people with big capital will be more careful and make a lot more money. If someone has 20 dollars, invest it just as you would invest a few thousand dollars, or a million dollars, and you will do a lot better.
1603  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Earning online more preferable than offline? on: May 24, 2023, 03:48:35 PM
the internet opens up many job opportunities and of course is not bound by time so we can manage our own time. both online and offline jobs have their respective advantages and disadvantages, so we must be able to sort them according to their respective characteristics. one person may be successful at an offline job, but perhaps someone else may be successful at an online job, or even some people work at both. The paths taken are different, as long as we can enjoy it, I think it will produce maximum results, and for the current era where the price of necessities is getting higher, I think finding more than one source of income would be better to support the increasingly high necessities of life
I think it is also a bit based on talent and skills as well. Some people can't do jobs online, and some people can't do offline jobs. Can a mechanic do my job? They can't, can I do a mechanics job? I can't. This is not about any wage or earning neither, because there are mechanics who I assume makes a lot more than I do, and mechanics who do a lot worse than me, hell even in my own job there are people who do worse than me and do better than me as well.

So all in all, your income doesn't matter based on online or offline, it matters how good you are doing your job and how much risk you are taking. I believe that if you are doing a good job then you shouldn't be worrying about anything. This will result with a lot of doors opening up for you.
1604  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: The reason of why Bitcoin is good for trading (for me) on: May 24, 2023, 08:23:46 AM
First of all I'm not a real trader, but I like to trade to earn small amount profit.

I only use BTC/USDT pair because USDT make me easier to determine how much my coins worth after trade and most liquid stable coin, the reason why I choose BTC is I don't need to worry about it when my trading goes wrong. So if I bought Bitcoin at the peak and the price keep decreasing, I will not sell it, but I will wait for the next super cycle where Bitcoin usually break new ATH.

Keep in mind I never learn about chart, candlestick, trend etc, all of my decision come from my mood and instinct. No stop limit, no follow any signal, no watching my PC for 24/7 etc, just directly buy and sell.

Is there anyone like me here? Cheesy
That's not called trading but gambling. You are basically gambling without knowing which side the price should go.
Although I don't recommend this kind of trading, it's good to know you are willing to hold such a long time of "next super cycle".
Most people panic sell at times of high volatility and using stop loss is a must when trading. So I would advise you to start using stop losses soon.
I think stop loss is important when you are trading that is true, but when you are making quick trades, trades that you open up and close in a single day, should not have stop loss anyway. Because, if you are doing that then it means you should be able to not lose much anyway, people who trade daily are already on top of the market and when they see a movement they should be able to move manually without a trouble.

However, if they are focusing on how they could build something that will be a long term approach then they can consider stop loss. For example I am a long term investor, I do not personally have stop loss but I would understand people who do. That is how they should be considering it and then it may make more sense.
1605  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Understanding cryptocurrencies and investment. on: May 23, 2023, 07:26:15 PM
Crypto is a digital currency that comprises different coins. It's important that we understand how this coin works and which to invest in. How do we identify the best coin and the period to invest in these types of coins?
You should first consider that crypto values fluctuate and go up or down very easily, meaning you can lose a lot of money in a short time if you choose the wrong coin.
do a thorough research on the coin you choose, and my advice is that you should choose the top or oldest altcoin that has a good footprint especially in the long term because long term is the best option that will provide good returns. But it all depends on the coin you choose, so it's best to study and understand the risks associated with the coin you choose before committing and using the money you can afford to lose
I think it would be that much risky on volatile ups and downs if you are investing into something that will make you lose a lot of money, if you do not do that then you are going to end up with something much better. I personally believe that the best thing we could do would be making sure that we invest into something a lot better than that, something that will not have such high volatile ups and downs and no risks of manipulation.

Obviously even bitcoin goes up and down, but at least it is not going up down as much as the other ones, and it can always recover when it goes down, even if you buy at ATH price, you could DCA your way back into profit, if you bought at 68k, then you could have bought so much more when it was under 20k and you would be in profit today, it all depends on your strategy.
1606  Economy / Economics / Re: Why you should use spare money to invest on: May 23, 2023, 05:44:15 PM
Potential for Growth,Building Wealth,Beating Inflation,Diversification,Retirement Planning,Funding Goals and Dreams.
that why we should spare our money to invest.
Yes that's right. So if we talk about investment, of course, our income must be greater than expenses, meaning that there are indeed more funds that can be invested. the key is not to use mediocre money to invest, especially with debt because if we are already using debt, it means that it is not an investment, actually the aspect is more speculative, the first short term is too risky.

if you want to invest, we have to talk about financial conditions that must be healthy first, of course, income must be greater, indeed, there are already emergency funds set aside. then also other things that are already available in advance including protection. The rest we can make spare money. The meaning of reserve money is settling money that is owned in the long term, this money is not used for living needs for at least the next five years. The suggestion is, create a scenario where you get a salary at the beginning of each month, you are used to setting aside funds for savings every month, you place the remaining funds at the end of the month in an investment instrument because you think these funds will not be used, that is reserve money.
Depends on the investment, even apple (which has tens of billions of dollars worth of cash) gets loans to build stuff. Because that means they have to pay less taxes, considering how big their investments are and how much investment they make, I think it is obvious to say that if they take out a loan that would make it a lot better for them for tax reasons, the tax they will pay drops higher than the interest rate they will pay on that loan.

That's just one example but basically it is obvious that if we do end up with anything that is big or small like that, I think it would be something that is profitable for all of us and should be considered as a good thing. I believe that we can have something like that made for all of us in a short while if we figure out how to.
1607  Economy / Economics / Re: Financial education or 1million dollars on: May 23, 2023, 05:14:52 PM
Remind me of a old child tricky question: "1 million now, or a penny that doubles each day during next 30 days". Many would choose a million right now, while a penny option is much profitable. Some people might calculate and chose a penny option, but imagine what a trader could do in 30 days if he has a 1 million to spend.

Financial education is preferable imho, but what about the situation, when it will takes an experienced person with financial education years to earn his first million, while other person can multiply that million when first person is still earning it?
That second question is the important one. One penny per day that doubles everyday for 30 days is over 5.5 million dollars, so if you are doing that for 30 days then I will be able to wait for 30 days and that's fine. But, if you asked me 1 million today or 5.5 million in 10 years?

I would say 1 million today because I can make that into 10 million and more in 10 years anyway. Not just trader but even long term investor could do that and that is why it's so important. People need to realize that we are at a breaking point in the crypto world where it could go up, so if you give me a million dollars today, I would simply put that in top bitcoin and even in the shot 2 year term I could make more than double that easily, probably a lot more. So always pick the million today, makes more sense.
I understand that people are not realizing the number, but at the same time that timeframe is the difference maker. In OP's question nothing is guaranteed, I mean think about it, you learn a lot about finance and that means you could make a lot of money but it also means that you may not make any money at all, aren't there any poor traders in the world? I am sure there must be and that's the key part.

I believe that we need to focus on that a lot more, we could make a lot more, but we could fail as well so we should focus on what we can do instead, that would be a lot better. I personally hope that the best thing to do is 1 million dollars, at least for me, just get that and no other money is needed, you can live with that as easy as you could hope for.
1608  Economy / Economics / Re: When will we stop living for the weekend? Escaping the 9-5 life. on: May 23, 2023, 03:53:39 PM
It's not how life should be lived. However, it is due to the way the system has been set up that society may continue to develop and move in a dynamic manner. When I think about it the way you do, I also get sad and depressed, but what makes me happy is returning every day to my family and the sincere and loving friends I have in my life.
As a person who managed to get out of that life before, I can tell you that this side is not that great. I mean we are talking about a situation where you need to constantly work and that means that when you have your own business, every hour is a working hour. This is not a problem if you are a wealthy person and that means you could keep grinding as easily as you want.

However, if you end up with some trouble and not really make that much, like lets say you make as much money as a salary you could earn, then it would be terrible. I am making nearly twice as much as a salary so I am happy, but in no means I am rich, I am just doing alright, I can't really go out and like do whatever I want, I still have so many things I need and can't even afford them. So all in all, if you are spending all your life and still not making enough money, then 9-5 could be better for some people.
1609  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin retirement benefits on: May 23, 2023, 11:40:44 AM
It's not doubt that Bitcoin is best for retirement but I won't gamble my future with just Bitcoin only, that's too risky, Bitcoin is no doubt the best digital currency but when we are talking about retirement plans it should not be the only plan you have, we don't know what the future of Bitcoin will look like and I am not ready to gamble on that, instead you have to be prepared for any possibility,  nothing in this world is guaranteed and just because Bitcoin is the best doesn't make the risks gone forever.
I wouldn't really bet on that, I mean bitcoin is doing great and I feel like it is going to keep doing great, and there are people who invest all their money into stocks and you think that would be something that would be a lot worse if they decide to switch to bitcoin instead?

I know that it doesn't make sense for some people but that's the reality we live in, if you really want to make sure that things going smoothly then you should invest into gold, that will make sure that you are doing as well as you should. I actually know one person like that, he has been putting money into gold every month whenever he can, he said he failed some months, but being doing that since 90's and he is about to retire. He can actually, he has enough to retire, he just doesn't feel ready. So, do that if you are unsure about bitcoin.
1610  Economy / Economics / Re: 199,983 companies went bankrupt in Europe because of the energy crisis in 2022 on: May 22, 2023, 09:19:59 PM
The fact that in Europe, and above all in Germany, they began to abandon nuclear power plants is not such a stupid policy. The world is already entering a period of dramatic climate change across the planet. This process will be accompanied by strong cataclysms, such as volcanic eruptions, tsunamis, earthquakes, floods. It is still fresh in our memory how an eruption in the ocean led to the disaster at the Fokushima-1 nuclear power plant in Japan. The countries of Europe logically do not want a repetition of this on their territory. Therefore, there is accelerating the program for the introduction of alternative energy sources such as solar panels and wind generators, as well as other types of "green" energy are being developed. Most likely, the future belongs to them.
I think it is not going to really matter at this point, that is why I feel like it's not going to be a lot better if we just do something totally changing it all together, not just piece by piece. I do not know how that could be done, I have no idea if the tech is there, but if we keep waiting for nations to stop polluting the world and go towards clean energy, then we are going to end up with a world we can't live on, it is just not going to happen.

So start working on a solution that will make it better instantly, put research money, all these renewable energy money, all into instant result tech development, otherwise the other way around will not really make anything change anytime soon, it's just not going to be something we can live with.
1611  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: May 22, 2023, 12:16:33 PM
The problem everyone see is that the BCCI has an upper hand in the decisions of ICC. Personally i am not happy that politicians are interfering in sports and that should be independent from any sporting events but that is not the case with Cricket even though there are no restriction on other sporting events between India and Pakistan but as you mentioned Cricket is the most followed sport in both countries and hence the hype.
I agree but sadly we can't bring changes in near future because culture of subcontinent is completely different from the other world about many things and here peoples mostly wants to live with their personal ego's and own choices which are having big impact it is happening in these both countries just because of this we are still missing bright sides development which is happening around the world even many will be feeling India is growing very fast but in reality it is happening in few cities not all over India so just because of this we are feeling problems about few things specially only in cricket.

On other side Pakistan is going down badly due to domestic issues even many feeling now we are going to have another big disaster after 50 years again so in my view we are not going to have positive changes in this area and game as well.
1612  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: May 22, 2023, 11:09:05 AM
The match turned out to be very competitive. Gujarat needs 19 runs to win in the last two overs. With Shubman Gill still at the crease, the match still seems to be in Gujarat's control. Even then it cannot be said with certainty that Gujarat is going to win. If Bengaluru manages to do well in this 19th over and take the wicket of Shubman Gill then Bengaluru looks set to win. However, Bengaluru's bowlers did not perform well at the start of the innings. They can't take wickets. This is why they are so far behind. But I will be happy if Kohli's team can qualify for the knockout round.
Kholi did play well. But thats so unfortunate that Bengaluru team won't be able to win the match
Gujarat team is in full form and they are having an edge over the other team.
We can't blame Kohli in this current situation, it's just luck of RCB as they lost again and out of the competition early with good performance and back to back centuries from Kohli were also not enough for them to have place in last four.

100 from 61 balls are also not helpful for the RCB because I am feeling they were short of 15 to 20 runs and this all just happen because of Kohli as he spendt more balls for his century here we need century on 45 to 50 balls which can help any team for having better result in T20 games but still this was good inning from the legendary player but GT was at top with Shubum Gill was on right side with having 100 on 51 balls which helps them for winning match and taking top spot.

Now we have all best four teams in next round and things could be more entertaining because predicting about winner is surely not easy with these team's performance.
1613  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A new milestone: 1M addresses hold 1 Bitcoin on: May 21, 2023, 06:26:23 AM
Everything takes time and a proper approach towards its growth.  Maybe months, years, decades, who knows?  But once it has taken the pace, it will gradually start to grow more and move as we move towards the future.  You cannot become a millionaire overnight, it will take time and effort in order to make that happen.  Some goes with Bitcoin growth.  We have seen in the past that Bitcoin has slowly but surely grown.  As you have mentioned, like people used to say that no one will own one bitcoin in their wallet.  Now see how much it has grown.  And now the numbers are just going to go up. This is like once a thing start to grow, it will pick up the pace and nothing can stop it. Bitcoin is moving towards that direction for sure. Not everyone can afford to own 1 Bitcoin in their wallet, but the number of people owning Bitcoin will grow as we keep moving towards the future. The total number of people will increase, and the number will skyrocket.  It's just gonna need some time.
I agree with this, this is why I am in favor of long term approach as always. While some people tried to tell me what some coin they held made them, I said I made a lot less with bitcoin and they mocked me, now most of them lost their money and they are crying over what they could have done, and yet I am doing fine and I do not worry about anything at all.

People could make their decisions based on what they are seeing currently and I understand that, shortsighted investments are a common thing and I get it, but I am not going to be doing anything like that, I am just going to consider the situation as normal and will not matter to me at all. I think the best thing to do in this case is to make sure that people end up with a good result while waiting long term.
1614  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How to maintain profitability in crypto trading on: May 20, 2023, 10:53:03 AM
Maybe there are times that no matter who hard they try, profits won't come out. They already expected this but this should help them improve their skills more because they will now create a new strategy just in case the same scenario will return. Bigger profit must be the goal of the investors but the goal of the traders is to make small consistent income. The money can still stack this way.
The goal of traders and investors in general is about returns, but what differentiates the two is about when they will take the profits. Traders tend to focus on shorter time frames than investors, they can be consistent depending on trends and trading strategies but in my opinion it's difficult.

The level of difficulty in maintaining profitability depends heavily on the trading strategy of each trader. The liquidity of the market will also affect it, but in the end I can only agree that investors are the big winners in the crypto market.
I guess that it should be something that will matter a bit, not going to really change much but in the end we are going to have something to look for when we are long term investors, it is a long term but also a bit of a lazy thing.

I became a long term investor not because I think this will make me more profit, it may or it may not, depends on how good you are as a trader, but because I knew that I would have to work so much more to make more money as a trader. That is a big reason and I do believe that we shouldn't really focus on how we could make profit and just focus on what is realistic for us. That is how I approached it so far and that is how I will keep seeing it forever. It will allow me to consider this as a way out financially, and what I can actually do as well.
1615  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: How do you choose altcoins you buy? on: May 20, 2023, 10:33:02 AM
Sometimes the team doesn't defines the success of a project, I have seen projects back then early 2017 that came up with cool concept and with good team who were working tirelessly to make sure everything are being put to front, also with adequate protections in terms of security aspect.
But actually the project didn't survive why?

Because they couldn't raised the required funds during their ICO's and tell me if then someone choose to venture into their project don't you think that is a waste of resources?
And then there were lots of scammer who internationally want to scammer people with their hand ear money, what I actually sense from project that would be successful is that if the team are self funded and already made at this they won't purely depends on their sales to raise funds to further develop the project rather looking on their funds after which they got listed.
I think that's the problem, the main problem is to have a team to begin with. Investors like that for some reason but we shouldn't rely on a few people to make money, teams mean exactly that, we rely on that team to make money but we shouldn't and that's a terrible idea.

I personally believe that the best thing to do in this case is to make sure that it goes the right way and we do not face with anything that will hurt the bitcoin market, and thinking that some teams could develop something that will go up is one of those things, we shouldn't be doing that at all and we should be looking at different angles of this instead. I hope that it goes well, and they make money but I won't be giving them my money to build it, let them do it and if it's good I will buy some.
1616  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Feedback on Portfolio on: May 20, 2023, 08:51:36 AM
Most investors in crypto usually have the top 10 coins, its not surprising if you listen to those advice to just invest on those cryptocurrencies.
If you have more than billions of PEPE, you can be assure that some may react you're a shitcoiner but whatever you have in your portfolio is good enough for you no matter what we say.  What matters is whether you can sell your tokens profitably.
I am one of those people, only coin I have outside of top 10 is LTC which I have been holding for many years now and already trust as much as I possibly could, aside from that there is nothing that I have been using all that much, I just feel like the best thing to do in this case is to keep it going as it is and that should be fine.

I do not need any of those low ranked coins, people think they will gain position and go up a lot but the reality is that it may go down as much as it can go up so there is really no logic on keep trying that. I think the best thing to do in this case is to make sure that we can make some return with time, I understand it is not going to be simple, but just make sure that it's at a level where it can be good, so we can move further along.
1617  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bear And Bull Market? on: May 20, 2023, 07:05:16 AM
Dude what in the fuck are half of you even talking about? Honestly, you guys who comment shit and have absolutely no idea what you're saying, you really should be embarrassed.  Do yourselves a favor and take a few minute and use this cool tool called google that can actually explain what a bear and bull market are.

OP in simple terms, not by an definition, a Bear market is when the stock market is going up, and more people are buying equities than selling, and a bear market is the opposite.  It's a term that's been adopted to other types of markets, such as cryptocurrencies.
Well, a little typo on yours too mate Smiley you said "bear" is when it goes up and then said bear is when it goes down as well, first one should be bull and not bear, but it happens we are all human, typo is only natural. But I think there are way too many people who disagree with that and consider them as phases. As in, even when we go up today, it is still a bear. Because we reached 68k and when we are still this low, going from 25k to 30k doesn't mean we are out of bear market, so a "low price equals bear market" understanding grew up.

I disagree with that, I think bear is only when it goes down, if it is low priced but not going down then it is not bear, but some people consider that as the case and that is why it matters a lot as well.
1618  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin retirement benefits on: May 20, 2023, 05:41:16 AM
This can mostly apply to almost any other investment that you think will appreciate — it's not really exclusive to bitcoin alone. But I get your point.

There is one point the OP mentioned which is almost exclusive to Bitcoin and really
counts on its decentralised nature and that is the transfer of it from one person to
another without the receiver having to incur taxes.
I think it is important to remember that if you could give it to your kids, and if you can manage to do that then it is not going to be a terrible way to leave something behind. However, I have always been in favor of sharing a place, it could be a land, it could be farm, could be an apartment, or the whole apartment building itself if you are rich, or a house ,whatever you know, it has to be real estate.

Because while we are talking about how bitcoin is limited, we are ignoring the fact that land is limited too. So if you can buy a place at a good location, leaving that to your kids is amazing. Bitcoin is cool and all, but bitcoin may fail, however a place you own is a place, it can't fail, it will always be good and will stay good.
1619  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you spend more-do you get more? on: May 19, 2023, 09:10:45 PM
I think the saying should be “the more money you spend in trying to make more money, the more money you get in return”. You can’t spend money on frivolous activities and hope to get some more money in return. It’s absurd.
There’s a phrase I know which is  “making your money work for you”. This entails having some good and viable investments and perhaps some sort of business that would actually bring in profits for you after you must have sunk some good money into it. You’ve got to spend some money to make more money and I don’t mean buying things you would have no need for later on.
That's true, you need to spend money to make money and a lot of people are refraining from that and the result will never be good if they keep doing that. I get that it is not going to be easy, but at the end of the day if you do not risk something, then you are not going to get anything at all.

I managed to do something before once in my life, it was a good project and I risked it and grew the business and I basically made break even, maybe like a tiny bit more like couple hundred dollars to be fair, but that's about it. On the other hand, when we are talking about someone who doesn't risk anything and try to do it all for free, it's not going to work and the result will not be that good and you can't really do much that way, it just doesn't make sense.
1620  Economy / Economics / Re: Kraken, UK trade body derides lawmaker description of crypto as ‘gambling’ on: May 19, 2023, 08:44:02 PM
Everybody or institution is entitled to their own opinion. People are free to see things differently based on their experiences and views. They are seeing the crypto sector through the lens of the current abuse of crypto coin creation and investment. Even as we speak now hundreds of shitcoins is been created. These developers are flooding the market with worthless coins that crumble in no time.

Some people see the sector as a get-quick-rich avenue. These people have turned the crypto space into a casino. They buy various risky shitcoins intending to sell them off in a few days and make instant profit.

But we shouldn't also forget that anti-crypto forces will keep on giving the sector a bad name to discourage people from abandoning the failing banks.
Isn't it unfortunate that it is allowed to be like that? I mean I get the coins that have no ownership, no dev at the top, not looking for the team to do something, that is how it used to be. Today? We fund a team to build us a good project that can get us rich, basically a ponzi scheme and nothing more, if that team doesn't make the project go well, then we are not going to see anything do better at all. This isn't really the way to go, we should be able to actually see it move further and do better as well.

I understand that people are at a level where it is going to be a trouble, but we just need to handle it a lot better in the end, it should be a lot easier to figure out. All in all we are at a level where it is going to cause us to see it differently one day.
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