Well this thread seems to have taken a strange turn, and of course there are some personal attacks here as well. I haven;t read all the post, as I am power challenged, and spending most of my time on a mobile until I set up my solar. and generator.

There seems to be a suggestion that I may be an overprotected shrinking violet, and the opposite is probably the truth. I played rugby for my school for a while, and I have broken several bonese as a result of motor cycle accidents and fighting, amongst other things. I'm a Gemini, so I am probably more social than most people, and I may have travelled across more of America than many Americans - I drove fron San Francisco to Tallahassee in a 30 foot U-haul with several detours for example. I'm a child of the 60s and 70s which was the era of coffee shops and Carnaby Street, so my visits to McD are more for the power, WiFi, and social contact, and not for the coffee. You don't have to be the sharpest intellect in Bitcoin Talk to realise that I can make better coffee in my van.

I genuinely believe that allowing yourself to be vaccinated is about as intelligent s smoking, and I;m not sure whish is the more damaging. My opinion is based on real life observation, discussions with medical professionals, and copious reading I tend to ignore the pharmaceutical propaganda created by Big Paharma, and pushed by the like of the BBC.

England is in a strange state at the moment. People are being encouraged to wash their hands, but public conveniences are locked, and shoppers are urinating in the bushes if a supermarket doesn't have facilities.

I post more info when I have set up a comms desk in the van.

I found out why Morrisons seems to be getting more stock than other supermarkets. It seems they are paying their smaller suppliers immediately on delivery, so they are probably getting priority over some of the other supermarkets.

I'm in Morrisons again this morning, and they seem to have developed a system to cope with demand. They opened at 7am, and the shelves were overflowing, and the queues to pay built up very quickly. They created lines in each of the aisles, and each line served two tills, and everybody was very civilised and polite. The shelves started to look empty, and they started restocking at about 9am. Obviously there is no supply shortage for them. The cafe is open again with 50% of the tables spaced out. I gather that Waitrose id taking a different approach, and it is closing its cafes and restaurants, and stopping their free coffee offer at all stores. They are also reducing opening hours - I'm not sure that is the best approach.

We seem to be adjusting to the artificial problems created by reports of the virus, and some manufacturers are switching to the manufacture of virus related products to replace other items that are in reduced demand.

Staying at home doesn't kill the virus, it just means you will be vulnerable when you do go out eventually, or when you have things delivered. Building a healthy immune system to kill the virus in your body is the way to gain permanent protection. It saddens me to see so many people in the supermarkets buying pharma products to destroy their immune systems, and none of them is wearing gloves.

A lot depends on where you are as well. I could probably survive on just a bit of money for diesel, as I'm in a semi-rural area, but it would give me a pretty low quality of life. Add a bit for the phone and internet, and it is till pretty low though.

That suggestion has no merit.

Oh dear, I must be the DT1 that is set to go. I'll buy some condoms, that should give me some protection.

Well we are still in a kaleidoscope here in England. I phoned my friend this am, and she asked me if i could get her some milk. She wanted 4 1 pint bottles - one for now, and 3 for the freezer. When I went to pay I had one bottle confiscated. It seems you canonly buy 3  bottles, which seems a bit mad, as the next rack contained a load of 4 pint bottles. If I had been hoarding, I could have bought 3 of those.

After dropping off her shopping, I went to Morrisons for coffee, and they have changed the cafe. Half of the tables and chairs have been stacked up in the lounge area which they has closed. This meant that there is at least 5 feet between tables. The only problem is that the lounge area has all the power points. Anyway, I applied my persuasive charm on the attractive assistant manageress, and she open a corner of the lounge area for me. I'm now in my own den, and still more than 5 feet from the nearest table.

There was a bit of stress at the do it yourself checkout. There were about 15 people waiting in the queue, and a guy of about 75 ( not me ) at the front. The supervisor told him sharply to get behind the line, and I thought he was going to kick off at her.  I didn't even realise that there was a line, but there is a thin brass strip set in the floor, and it seems you are supposed to stay behind that. There aren't any notices about it though, and everybody was pushing and jostling in the queue, so no 5 feet rules there. There was an A4 page of instructions telling you how to use the self service tills during the CV pseudo-pandemic, but there was too much, so I didn't bother to read it.

I guess the good news is that they will probably be allowed to keep the restaurant open if they follow government guidelines.

[edit at 16:20] The bad news is that due to lack of customers they lost money today, so the cafe will probably not be open tomorrow. I have been told that I can sit here, but I may not be able to buy a coffee.

The real problem with self-isolation is that it doesn't expose you to the virus, and this means that your body won't build any immunity. It won't be possible to eradicate the virus, as we have not been able to eradicate the common cold. However we have built up a herd immunity, so it is now merely an inconvenience for most people. The callous manipulation of this virus to facilitate a banking reset is going to cause far more problems for society. This is the real threat to older retired people, as their savings are stolen, and they are conned into becoming dependent of health damaging drugs.

I'm actually paying for a tea, and getting refills with hot water and a slice of lemon where I can. I'm thinking of carrying my own lemon slices as well. It's really just the power that I need until I install some solar. Most of my comments are attempts to get people to be sensible, and to stop destroying themselves with statins and the like.

What really concerns me is the way this has been hyped up to enable the collapse of various nations' economies. Nobody uis talking about the 2 Chinese that have contracted the bubonic plague, and that could be far more worrying.

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There is not shortage in the supermarkets if you get the timing right. There may be a shortage of cash if the banks go to lockdown because of their toxic debt.

Well there is a plague of locusts, and mice and rats are increasing as well. Two cases of bubonic plague have been reported in China. So the CV may just be a minor annoyance when you look at all the global problems.

I thought posting on the wall was something people did on the toilet wall.

It's all an over-hyped scam so that they can bring down the current banking system. You should be prepping for economic failure, that is going to be the long term problem.

The supermarkets are only stripped bare in the mornings. Most of the stuff gets replaced over night. I don't have any problems purchasing anything if I am prepared to pay full price. The problem I have is that I am used to paying 20% or less.

Why is it that people think that anyone over 60 is incompetent and a moron. Many of us can still go up the stairs two at a time, and I watch the fat young things take the lift, and then go to the pharmaceutical counter.

To a great extent, age is a state of mind. Keep up your metabolic rate, and don't shorten your stride. Keep your head erect, and eat healthy food. Don't let them give you any pharmaceuticals or vaccinations. Retain your sense of humour, and remember that it is a scientific fact that people who have more birthdays, live longer.

I'm sorry but that isn't true. The current generation is the first one t have a life expectancy that is shorten than the previous one. My comment is based on personal observation as well. I have a lot of elderly friends, and I discuss their medication with them, so it is based on practical observation, and not on Big Pharma propaganda. How many lives have been destroyed by statins?

With regard to my hot water comment. I have a friend who had a blood clot in her leg recently. It seems it was caused by dehydration, and drinking hot water and tea seems to have dispersed it, and she is recovering well. So drinking water will not harm you, and hot water with lemon will help to build the immune system.

I think older people are the victims of the healthcare systems, and not things like this virus. Forced isolation is probably the worth thing you can do to them, and can lead to depression and other problems. They will probably still be exposed to the virus via deliveries, and deliverymen.

I will pay lip service to many of the fears though. For example, I will wash the rocks and bins that I take to the new vegetable garden with Jeyes fluid. This is a traditional environmentally safe disinfectant.

[edit] I can't use Jeyes, as it contains tar acid, and that is harmful to cats, so I need to find something else.

Welcome back, and I look forward to joining your quality discussions.

The situation here is great fr over 70s as long as you don;t let the health workers get their hooks into you. I've got several friends who have been killed by rubbish pharmaceuticals, or turned into vegetables so that their estates can be milked. My friends in their 80s and 90s that are fit and health don'r take any pharmaceuticals.  One 94 year old lady is active in the local church community, and if you take that away from here, I'm sure that will have a greater effect on her health than a hyped up virus.

The stupidity us starting to hit the country now. I toured some supermarkets yesterday. 1 Sainsburys, 2 Morrisons, 1 ASDA, 1  and 1 M&S. Some out of stock items were common to all - including bread, eggs, potatoes, pasta tinned sardines and beans,loo rolls, and similar items. Whilst I was in Sainsburys, a shelf stacker brought out 1 box of pasta shells, and 2 boxes of spaghetti, within 10 minutes the shelf was empty. I bought one packet of each for me, and a packet for my 83 year old friend. I had problems at the till as they imposed a limit of 2 items per customer. I explained the situation to a supervisor, and she et me put through two transactions. I was lucky, as they were confiscating extra packets from other customers. Most of the reduced price items were pretty useless for me, but I did manage to get a nice selection from one of the Morrisons stores. This included a pack of Lancashire tripe for 8 pence. I haven't ever fancied eating this, as I believe it is the lining of a sheep's stomach. It seems to be really healthy though, so I thought I would give it a go.

I went to my favourite McDonalds at 5am, and found that they had closed the seating area, and were only selling take away meals. I had to wait until 8am for Costa to open, and that is where I am now. I'm running the Ubuntu netbook with the out of date blockchain. I still don't seem to be able to connect to more than 2 peers, so I will have to do a bit of investigation obviously.

I picked up a couple of dozen paving blocks that someone had chucked into the verge by a lay-bye, and they will make nice steps for my Wild Brambles veg garden. I'm thinking of growing some traditional medicinal herbs in a part of that, but first I need to dig the whole area, and clear some branches.