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1761  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin had a drop recently, that means is a good time to buy some? on: February 28, 2018, 02:13:08 PM
The general rule is buy low and sell high but it depends on your expectations and your goals. The price is low relative to where it was a week ago but high relative to 2 weeks ago, then again it's very low compared to just a couple of months ago.

If you believe in bitcoin and are in it for the long term then the decision is much easier because you can be safe in your assumption the price will continue to grow and reach a new ATH later this year. With that in mind it seems like a good time to buy right now.
Really for someone who is holding for very long positions anyway, and there is no knowledge to analyze the chart to know when to buy in, I would rather say, they start buying in margins. We have gone down and we do not know how long we can still go, but the market will always recover, so in that case, buying in percentages is always good enough and at least you have yourself covered even if the market goes down more, or it starts recovering.

Bitcoin should be purchased at the most lowest price that you can enter into. Now would be okay or around $8, if it goes down there.
I would not be surprised if some people may still be looking for something lower than what we already had which even made some long term holders to have missed a mouthwatering offer at $6000 less. No one can predict when we will break out from the downtrend channel, but at least, we will at some point, and the most important thing is to make use of the present moment to stash in more, which I believe every investor must be considering by now anyway.
1762  Economy / Speculation / Re: Trading is gambling after all on: February 28, 2018, 01:22:27 PM
I tried trading twice back in 2016 and "lost" 1 Bitcoin in total. Thats a lot, if you consider the last ATH. Not everybody is a born trader  Cheesy
Lol. One thing I have noticed with trading is as long as you can manage yourself in the market to trade safely, then you should be fine. However, a lot of people only gamble the market, until they realize that they are totally wrong.

At least, we have somethings to look out for to know if the whales are looking to direct a market upward, look for available resistance and play with that, and at the end, that gives you some undisputed advantage as well over someone who does not have the skills.

I honestly like the last aspect of OP where he said losing to someone who has an undisputed advantage over him and the market. I consider all these groups as whales anyway and whether we leave it or not, they control the market and they will always have the highest advantage, and the only thing is to make use of this to roll along with them and see where it leads which gives the learned trader an edge over the ones who just see gambling as 100% luck. One way or the other, someone would be smarter than the other.
1763  Economy / Speculation / Re: 2018 end of the year BİTCOİN price on: February 28, 2018, 07:12:59 AM
Gonna give it a bullish answer or 75-90k. I don't think we will crack the 100k mark or even come close but I think we will surpass 50k and have an unexpected rise similar to this past year.
That is going to be a huge one if we ever try to reach that value at all from where we stand right now. Yes, anything is possible, but I do not want to expect every year to be Christmas, considering the level at which we have had some bull rally most especially last year and how the value of bitcoin kept hitting different ATHs with the media popping different news to stir the market up until we started with some crazy news at the end of the year. Let's just see how all these ends up but I am not too optimistic anyway.

It will be obviously too early for any predictions. We have not even crossed from the downtrend and we are already thinking of the end price at the end of 2018. At least this would have been better if we have switched to an uptrend and the price is doing pretty well with a lot of positive vibes going on in the bitcoin space, but for now, there is no need celebrating a birthday for an ATH that is not even close, as I have seen so many people predicting even as high as $100,000.
1764  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoin price stabilizes? on: February 28, 2018, 06:45:40 AM
The wild price swings for bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies are still a mystery. ... are invested for the long term, were expected to stabilize bitcoin's price movements.
Bitcoin price movement cannot be stable and we should even experience more swings since we are still in the early stage of bitcoin, with so much growth to look forward to in the future. I expect so much as we keep moving on though, but at the end of it all, I believe things are changing, and will change for the better. Stabilization that the OP is referring to is more like just a rest from the huge swing from up to down, which would not even last.
1765  Economy / Economics / Re: how can the beggars access Bitcoin? on: February 28, 2018, 06:09:02 AM
If all paper money were change into Bitcoins, can it be access and use by everyone? how can the beggars access Bitcoin?

I guess the most convenient way for beggars to access bitcoin is to go to a nearby computer shop because it is cheaper rather than buying their own desktop computer or even smart phones. At least, when they go to a computer shop, they can still access bitcoin and doesn't need to spend a lot of money to it.
There is really no point trying to sugarcoat the whole thing. Beggars will always find it hard to access bitcoin except they just have some knowledge about the internet or how to make use of it. Imagine giving a beggar some paper wallet with some bitcoins and expect the beggar to understand what you have given to him. Sure, some may have gotten some hint, but that is just being over assumptive.

The beggars can use the general libraries and get themselves educated.
Lol. Very funny. That is on the assumption that the beggar can read and write yeah? If they can do that, would they still be outside begging? There are some things that are not realistic, and that is one of them. Even those who are learned enough, some are still in the dark, let alone beggars. Just stick to giving them fiat, they are already stressed enough, what is the point stressing them more?
1766  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it digital gold? on: February 28, 2018, 04:10:22 AM
Bitcoin is like digital gold ........ is it correct? It is a transferable asset but not duplicable ..... do you agree? What are the points in favor and those against this statement? I would like a very analytical and specific arisposal.
Some people are pretend that bitcoin is digital gold. But actually they are different, gold is physical asset and bitcoin is digital asset. But you should consider about the risk too. Bitcoin is good for trading and online transactions but the risk is very big in it.
Well, no one is disputing that fact, but we all know in the literal sense what people are trying to say here. Yes, bitcoin itself is not gold. They are both an asset, and one being physical with the other being digital which I guess is one of the reasons the OP classified it as digital gold with the way you can easily make a lot of profit holding it as an asset which gold would not have even given.

So probably, we can either just call it a digital asset or an equivalent of a gold asset but in a digital form as long as we know what we are trying to imply.
1767  Economy / Speculation / Re: How much BTC will go in 2018? on: February 27, 2018, 01:18:44 PM
I think $30k - $40k is reasonable. But for now, I'm happy if it stays above $10k Smiley

Atm all cryptocurrencies are red Sad

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Any moment should always be a happy moment. In fact, even when people are predicting whatever may be happening with bitcoin, it is always good to see it as a good moment. It has been lower than $10000 and we all do not know if it can go lower, but this is more like a good chance to just keep loading up more because that would make it worth it when we start testing the previous tops.

Looking at the way things have been and some possibilities of what we may see, I really do not see any of these options playing out yet until we can at least break out from this trend and test the previous ATH and also get past that.
1768  Economy / Speculation / Re: IT'S TIME TO BUY BITCOIN ?? I SAY YESSSS on: February 27, 2018, 05:52:24 AM
We keep seeing this fluctuations, those who are taking advantage of low price and those who already gained a lot will make more movements from time to time, the sway is normal and it's depend on how we approach with trade if we aimed for long or just short with little percentage of earnings, I can say
it's always a yes even we seen a big height because for sure the project will try again to reach a new height small profits but with long term, profits always
possible with our investment.
Yeah, the swings are normal and there is just so little we can do about it and at the end of the day, only those who are smart enough to take advantage of it are always the ones who will end up getting a lot from it in the end. Bitcoin is full of surprises and always will which makes me not to bother about what the present moment is giving, trends always end up changing and we have to accept it as part of the market.

I think what is the best method is we keep buying when the value is dropping, bullish trend will come this year so in that
way you will be able to be profitable. It's not easy actually if you do not trust how strong bitcoin is, we have achieve a great milestone last year so be optimistic that we can break that all time high this year.
There are some points in what he has mentioned, but at the end, it is only applicable to those who have knowledge about general market, can use indicators to their advantage and play with the swings. However, for someone without a trading knowledge and looking at the long term benefits, this is a good time or probably just buys in margins until you run out of cash. Markets always recover, and it is not now that counts, it is the future of what you are holding that matters.
1769  Economy / Speculation / Re: Llew Claseen says BTC will hit 40,000 Dollar by the end 2018. on: February 27, 2018, 05:18:24 AM
I think BTC to hit $40K by end of 2018 is beyond reach. The current status of BTC seems it just hover below $20K. Llew CLaseen just made a wild prediction to encourage investors to place money on BTC after a huge lose.
That is really a wide assumption without any base from Llew and I totally agree with you. It is good to encourage investors, but smart investors anyway would not really bother themselves right now with what is going on with bitcoin but would rather hold more positions at the dips anyway since it is not like bitcoin is going anywhere and it has a lot of future. As long as we have not even close to smelling the previous ATH, thinking of $40k is really unimaginable for this year.

Llew Claseen is just a speculator just like anyone else and everything he has said is not even backed by any analysis but just typical assumptions. Now, we all know so many altcoins are already failing and some without real product will definitely fail the more, but having a specific percentage may not really suffice. However, if we look at the percentage of altcoins in the market now without real product, they are far more than those with usable products, but the value of bitcoin? I am not sure about that yet.
1770  Economy / Speculation / Re: Waiting for a bitcoin rise. on: February 27, 2018, 04:37:45 AM
Stable is good too, don't forget that it isn't crashing which is a positive in itself. While I am bullish long term on the price action for Bitcoin I don't have a date for you that it will surpass 50k. I believe it will happen this year around October but it could happen next year that time, or 5 years from now. It could also never happen which is why we must protect ourselves and our investments on a daily basis.
Yeah, stable is very good and that shows strength. A lot of people are waiting for the idea of getting rich quick and this is not what this market is about which is why it is really crazy at the rate at which people just keep getting greedy. $50k is a long way to go, we cannot know when this can occur, but rather than focusing on what is not even attainable yet, why not focus on that which is attainable or just focus on the long term.

We are all waiting for the rise and absolutely no one can know if it would hit $50000 this year or not, but I would rather not put too much hope on that. Bitcoin has been impressive over the years, it is still very impressive, considering how much it has been holding strong, but at the same time, we also have to consider the possibilities of only having to maintain even the previous ATH if we hit it at all this year, at the end of it, patience is all that is needed. If it does not happen this year, it will happen at some point.
1771  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Impact Of Artificial Intelligence And Machine Learning on Trading And Investing on: February 27, 2018, 03:05:53 AM
that is true but you are forgetting about a very important thing, you are posting this on a bitcoin forum and trading extends to also altcoins. in these markets technical analysis, pattern studies, etc. are not working really. generally speaking these are not accurate to begin with and when you come in crypto market you see that their efficiency drops drastically to a point that all of it becomes useless in most case scenarios.
Yeah, and most times, trading the market even with TA is still somehow like trying to make some decisions in a very tight condition and one of the reasons why no one can joke with stop loss in the situations of the crypto market. In that case, having an AI algorithm that will use only patterns or whatsoever to detect the condition of the market and make quality decisions with respect to that is somehow too much to take in at once, probably when we start seeing the reality of it, but for now, easier said than done.
1772  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Bitcoin price bubbled? on: February 25, 2018, 11:39:31 AM
When can you say the price of bitcoin is already or nearly bubble?

Do you expect that the price will dump in coming years?

Edit: On this year how is the bitcoin value soaring ... What I mean is how fast....
The meaning of the term bubble here in the cryptocurrency world is when the value increased so high then suddenly it pop up and the value of the coin almost lose its value.The price of the bitcoin is not bubbled. The price of the bitcoin is too volatile and it the reason why the value of bitcoin is always decreasing and increasing.
Most times some people may always see it in different ways.
If nothing or serious news is driving the price, and then we are seeing greed and fomo, then that could result to a slight bubble in price, but it is normal, so I would not consider it a bubble, I would rather say the market has been overbought and we always end up having a reversal if a market gets overbought or oversold.

If bitcoin itself is a bubble, by now it should have been down to probably $1 with all the negative news.
1773  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it possible for someone to manipulate the virtual currency market? on: February 25, 2018, 08:29:56 AM
If an entity is large and powerful enough, is it possible for it to gain a monopoly advantage and manipulate the rises and falls of the virtual currency market?

It is very possible.  We can see it on their coordinated attack to Bitcoin and how they managed to FUD it and buy bitcoin at a very low price.  Then the next thing is hype.  Bitcoin market had always been like this.  Whales together with influencer and social media promoters, plays a huge part on this.  If whales tapped these mediums, they will be able to control the market effectively.  It is the mood and emotion that dictates the market and influencers are great on this kind of stuff.
Yes and they work hand in hand with the media. They create huge news and speculations in the market to drive the market up after buying at a very low position, and then when they are satisfied with the value and have gotten as much as they feel is good enough for them, they cash out, start the round in the other way with FUDs, control the market to keep going down, since there has been a lot of greed in the market, it makes it easy for the weak hands to dump until it gets back to where they feel comfortable again to buy back with the cycle going over and over like that. We cannot escape it.
1774  Economy / Economics / Re: If the world uses a single currency on: February 25, 2018, 06:57:51 AM
There will be more trouble than convenient, because one currency parctically means one state or nation, so it will be maasive nation and massive population, the main problem will be the gap between the rich and thepoor will be huge with one or two state become the rich and the others become the poor, just like what happen in europe nowadays.
In fact, the trouble will be huge and what we may have to start fighting for globally is who is going to be the world power. I do not see how this can happen anyway as it does not sound realistic. Every independent country can decide on which currency to choose and unless every of them then decide to choose only one currency, it is not something that sounds feasible at all and I totally love the analogy you made use of.

One thing about humans is that we love assuming things that we already know the possibility is close to none. There is really no point debating it, but rather than assuming what could happen, what if we just wait to see if the moment ever comes or not before we start thinking of where it could lead to. The first question is who is going to be in control? And unless it is Armageddon, I do not see how this wants to play out.
1775  Economy / Economics / Re: crypto market demand is increasing on: February 25, 2018, 05:55:51 AM
This is good news isnt it? The crypto market is recovering and prices are increasing.

However I would approach this cautiously as it may not be a real bull run as the market is still weak.

I would not be surprised to see BTC and the cryptos trading within a range for a while more as traders are likely to sell

when BTC hits 12000 and buy when it hits 9000 again. Just be careful if anyone is buying at this price.
i guess what youre saying is happening again now mate.after stepping in $12,000 again dropping to almost $9,000 again ..these good news has not helping this days.maybe some fishy is happening in the market .for this movements not normal compared to other years
Yeah, that is how to think most times when trading the market and which is why it is good to look for price actions. The market at $12000 hit a good resistance and also fell on the upper line of the downtrend channel, so it is always normal for it to retrace and then after finding another support, go back to hit the line again which if we can hit past it, that technically shows a switch to the upper trend.

If we are to look at the rate the news about cryptocurrency in general is increasing and the level of awareness it is generating, it is obvious the future is very promising as we keep seeing demand growing a lot. We cannot even have complete stability but a time will come when we will obviously not be seeing some huge bearish move or bullish move in the market and just some major swings in the value.
1776  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: lucky ! does it influences by a woman beside of us? on: February 24, 2018, 04:54:30 AM
I don't think so because no matter how beautiful that woman beside of us and if we cannot play with good and we don't have a good luck in the games then it will not influence us to win the games. maybe we are only feel that we are the lucky person because we have a woman beside us but the reality, we cannot win the games without a luck.
But i think yes if someone is there behind you while playing gambling its mean you are using two luck, one is your own and the other is of your parter, therefore i think it will surely influence your gambling result while a women is there behind you.
Ohh no how can you think can we join the luck if we are together,it looks funny though.

I see this thing as a strategy than luck it can distract the opponent if a beautiful lady is before us so we can have more advantages than the opponent because he will lose his concentration.So it may influence in the winning chance if a girl is behind us.
Pretty funny! Okay! I think you have brought it even from another angle, so you had think a man playing some poker with me will be more concentrated on the pretty woman trying to draw his attention to confuse him a little ? Think twice !

As long as it has to do with money, any pretty lady can wait and maybe just after that, you can start trying to remember all the activities the lady was doing in your head to make a move. Also, it is all about luck, and no matter how good you are even though in games like poker, you may need some little stuff to always look out for, but at the end, if it is not you, it is not you.
1777  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Speculation (Altcoins) / Re: Do you think this year will be Red? on: February 24, 2018, 03:31:34 AM

Do you have any good reason to believe that the crypto market is going to grow this year? Do you think we may end up in all red? I do not see the growth and happy investing of last years.

Do you have any reason to believe it will not grow ? I guess if you can answer that first, then you should have the perfect answer to your own question.

Every market can have a trend, we have had so many trends before and bitcoin has been following an uptrend for a while, so thinking because of a downtrend, we cannot grow again, is totally absurd. The market will recover and then we will end up seeing a lot of greens and not reds throughout the whole year.
1778  Economy / Speculation / Re: Bitcoins' pullback is over! on: February 23, 2018, 06:52:36 PM
After the craziest and the most desirous wave that took place when the value went above $20k, we experienced the most awaited and whacking collapse watching it drowning under $7k. It was worst, but had a hope that nothing could go nuts and that we'll see those days when it'll start gaining back once again after fighting the denials of Governments. I believe now is the time. It has gained back more than 50% in a few days and I'm hearing that it'll be more than $25k till mid July.
I think it's the best time to invest in Bitcoins (if you see it as a safe-haven asset and are interested in much better gains than keeping your money in banks). I won't ask you to put too much, but for an average person - I believe that $500 shouldn't be a big deal to invest as the risk-to-reward ratio here will be much higher compared to other assets available.

Best time to invest is if you bought the dip... Though right now is still a decent time to bet on BTC going up long term.

I really do think that markets have matured enough, and that we're probably never going to see BTC under $5k again any time soon.

The pullback was really expected, but the dump got the weak hands going absolutely bananas. People posting about why BTC will go down to $20, even. That kind of thing happens when BTC is crashing, but never happens when BTC is rising up.

Don't trade with your emotions, because after a dump will always be a pullback, and that is now.
Newbies let their emotions to take control of their trades, when bitcoin is doing well we see threads stating huge prices for bitcoin from several hundreds of thousands of dollars to millions to speculation about bitcoin replacing all fiat but when things go wrong then we get threads like bitcoin is dead and it is crashing to zero this show to us one of the reasons of why the price is so unstable.
And those are some of the things the whales see in the market that makes it possible for them to gain even more from the market. Emotions are always written on the chart most times, and then they capitalize on it and they use it to get a huge benefit since they all have strong holdings in the market with news to make the weak hands consider if they are really making the wrong decisions or not until they panic and sell. The market is looking good to me still now with some strength. The sell pressure is not that huge, but it is just patience that we all need.
1779  Economy / Speculation / Re: Does Regulation Attempt affects the Bitcoin Price? on: February 23, 2018, 06:07:30 PM
I've never been paying that much attention to price before, during and after the possible crypto ban, but surely if some country was to ban crypto, people in that country would go panic selling and probably dump all of their coins from fear. That could probably have some effect on the price but it also depends what country it is, how many btc holders it has.
Crypto ban now would even be the last thing used by any government as it would have no effect on the market. I see this as just a plain manipulated market and sometimes it sucks, but really, I do not expect anything less. Some have the power and resources which ends up placing them in a position to drop the prices when they deem it fit and then some panic as a result of that and end up giving them all their little money.

Every market always reacts to news so it is natural. The media one way or the other has always had impact on the market and most times I always have this huge feelings they are being paid by whales to do so, I may be wrong but if you look at all trends, they seem to happen a lot.

When market is having a FOMO rally, negative news comes in once you see a huge volume leave the market which obviously are from the whales, and then the market drops, until it could drop no more, and then a huge buy volume kicks in and we are at it again with good news from the media.
1780  Economy / Speculation / Re: BTC is recovering? on: February 23, 2018, 05:22:57 PM
Price is showing a positive spike!

Base on how we have in bitcoin's history or graph of its long run, we can visibly see how bitcoin tend to have a turbulent on its price. Its ups and downs increase and decrease could happen in a short period of time. So does to what we are seeing now, recovery. A month or even a weeks ago we have seen a change on its value which is fine and better before the year started.
I am in favor of those who are thinking positive about bitcoin because bitcoin is our own currency and we have invested in it because we trust bitcoin and can wait a lot of the better and positive result from bitcoin. Price of bitcoin is increasing again and it is true that coming age is going to be the age of bitcoin, in coming time we will see bitcoin as super currency and it will not take much time now.
Every time is always a good time to make profit in bitcoin as long as each individual end up seeing benefit in everything. The dip was a benefit and chance to load up some more bags, and just more like shorting which gives it a lot of sense at the end of it all. So far, for those who bought at the bounce should have a lot to benefit even more when the value of bitcoin starts rising.
Right and it takes someone with a lot of experience and smartness to be able to notice that. We are in a market, it can go down, it can go up and rather than complaining, there is a benefit to gain from every trend. Most people cannot see these benefits because all they know how to do best is to complain.

However, at the end, it all simply ball down to one thing, which is patience, most especially if you cannot control the situation nor have the understanding to make it beneficial for you.
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