I really hope the next project is on Eagle. I really don't like Kicad much.
As an assembler/fabricator, I will be ordering almost 200k resistors and capacitors within the next. week. I have spent many hours going through the BOM looking for the best value from countless suppliers and looking at alternate parts as some parts have 13 week lead times. There is one part that for a run of 500 K16's, I need almost 100,000 of them.
My son and I will be building 50 of the K16's for ourselves and I will run most of them separately on USB hubs. A few we will klego together just to prove out the capability.
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Its not that the chips are available tomorrow. There is still enough time to revise everything. That doesnt need weeks.
We are getting close to the point where assemblers with multi week lead times need to place orders for components (especially for PCB manufacture at economic prices). The chips might only be four weeks out (based first samples appearing a week or so ago and my recollection that their delivery was 4-6 weeks post samples). You are right. The fact is there is no working prototype yet. So not much can be done until the nice folks here who are helping make the prototype say that "it's done" |
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Guys keep waiting and stop panicking. They are trying to communicate with us as often as they can. If they will be sitting by computer all day and answering our qusetions they will never complete the job.  Keep positive thinking We are trying |
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And to all other folks. We are very very busy and have very limited resources. Everybody is out today making arrangements, getting new boards printed, visiting the enclosure manufacturer to see which other material we can use instead of aluminum for the brackets (as the ones we received two days ago are very weak), setting up the assembly line for the new circuit board etc. etc. Please be patient, all your queries will be replied to.
that is all you had to say. When you stop responding people worry |
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All of you who keep saying its a scam, stop being annoying. Honestly. They have been keeping us up to date as much as possible and probably provide more communication then any other companies I have seen. I have talked to TH numerous amounts of times about everything. For god sakes they have an office. Give them a break honestly. Stop being impatient little kids. If your not satisfied ask for a refund but don't spread "scammers" around because they are not.
I have sent TH 3 messages, through their email and through their ticket system that "the natives are restless" and people are stopping wire transfers and paypal payments. No response. I called their phone, voicemail isn't even set up on it. I am not saying scam yet, I am saying "red flags" and "crap customer service" Joeventura, we are not interested in doing any business with you. You will never get any reply to any of those messages, so you can stop sending any more. I , my friend are trying to help you. I got a whole bunch of people to buy your products and support your efforts. Like I told you people are talking about refunds and stop bank transfers and my advice to you was that you need to come here daily and make your customers feel good about working with you. |
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Whats the word on the quality of components for the design? Keeping overclocking in mind, it would be smart to make sure the PCB can handle higher power than what is minimally required to run at 282MHz. I know burnin has his components rated high enough for overclocking, and it will be a big decision point between that and the klondike. I would sincerely hope the board could handle pushing these chips to their limits, 400-450MHz. Being able to get that much more ROI for small hardware cost increases would be phenomenal.
Also, whats the word on linking these together? For example, buying them built as K16s and connecting them in groups of 4?
You are asking about the status of step 45 in the process, we are at step 5 "Getting the device to work" component rating is actually decided early on. Component ratings have been decided on. Once they are working then improvements can be made. Fast, Cheap or Good, Pick 2. |
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An escrow agent on this site can get hit by a car tomorrow.
Nothing is a sure thing.
Buyers in these new ASIC miner deals need protection. That comes in the form of Paypal or Credit cards.
Everything else is a much greater risk.
In my mind:
1. Credit card
2. Paypal
3. Escrow agent
4. Bank Transfer
5. Direct BTC payment
is the order of ideal transactions from a safety perspective and if you are a new, unknown ASIC vendor (not a group buy from a known vendor) than #3 is not an option because they want the fund to fund the deal and #4 and #5 are a HUGE risk
Which leaves Credit Cards and Paypal.
I can respect that. One price for that protection is the risk of unacceptable delays. It all boils down to your risk management strategy. Diversification with smaller position sizes is an additional approach. Especially if your risk model assumes a possible 100% loss on any position. Ideally, I'd like to see the risk reward curve favor pure BTC. You hit the nail right on the head sir!! You are so right!! I have done a smaller position, a form of payment with maximum protection and I have diversified my holdings. I have orders with all the major providers as well as mining contracts with a bunch of folks. So the bases are covered. Your advice is what I give anyone interested in BTC mining |
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Whats the word on the quality of components for the design? Keeping overclocking in mind, it would be smart to make sure the PCB can handle higher power than what is minimally required to run at 282MHz. I know burnin has his components rated high enough for overclocking, and it will be a big decision point between that and the klondike. I would sincerely hope the board could handle pushing these chips to their limits, 400-450MHz. Being able to get that much more ROI for small hardware cost increases would be phenomenal.
Also, whats the word on linking these together? For example, buying them built as K16s and connecting them in groups of 4?
You are asking about the status of step 45 in the process, we are at step 5 "Getting the device to work" |
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All of you who keep saying its a scam, stop being annoying. Honestly. They have been keeping us up to date as much as possible and probably provide more communication then any other companies I have seen. I have talked to TH numerous amounts of times about everything. For god sakes they have an office. Give them a break honestly. Stop being impatient little kids. If your not satisfied ask for a refund but don't spread "scammers" around because they are not.
I have sent TH 3 messages, through their email and through their ticket system that "the natives are restless" and people are stopping wire transfers and paypal payments. No response. I called their phone, voicemail isn't even set up on it. I am not saying scam yet, I am saying "red flags" and "crap customer service" |
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I wish everyone would pay in BTC...
You know that is really getting old. You realize that to have Bitcoins, you have to mine bitcoins. So why the heck would you expect to have everyone pay in BTC? On top of that, this is a new unknown vendor, what protection do I have paying in BTC? answer: NONE. That's why you should never own a business selling BTC miners. Because you don't understand the very BASIC ground floor aspect of the business. Are you arguing that you cant purchase Bitcoins outright from an exchange? And that the counter party risk of fiat processors is better than the counter party risk of community trusted escrow agents? Telling people what they do and don't understand is a bit of a stretch here. +1 (joeventura does not deserve my answer) There you go ruining my day |
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I wish everyone would pay in BTC...
You know that is really getting old. You realize that to have Bitcoins, you have to mine bitcoins. So why the heck would you expect to have everyone pay in BTC? On top of that, this is a new unknown vendor, what protection do I have paying in BTC? answer: NONE. That's why you should never own a business selling BTC miners. Because you don't understand the very BASIC ground floor aspect of the business. Are you arguing that you cant purchase Bitcoins outright from an exchange? And that the counter party risk of fiat processors is better than the counter party risk of community trusted escrow agents? Telling people what they do and don't understand is a bit of a stretch here. I certainly don't mind paying for something to a company with a good track record and that has a product that will ship out the next day etc, but for me paying with paypal for something this expensive, and that has never sold anything before, nor has a working product, is the way to go. The risk are to high to pay in BTC cause ya may not see em come back. Not to say TH wouldn't refund BTC right away. Its just the principle of the matter for me. Most simply can't afford to risk a dime these days! (or a BTC for that matter) I couldn't agree more! But Terrahash has NO record and the post was made here saying "I wish everyone would pay with BTC" which is very BAD advice in this deal. We bitminers do not live in a fairytale land where everyone is honest. How many scams get uncovered here a week? Everyone should NOT pay in BTC until they have a vendor with a real track record and today Terrahash does not deserve that trust....YET |
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I wish everyone would pay in BTC...
You know that is really getting old. You realize that to have Bitcoins, you have to mine bitcoins. So why the heck would you expect to have everyone pay in BTC? On top of that, this is a new unknown vendor, what protection do I have paying in BTC? answer: NONE. That's why you should never own a business selling BTC miners. Because you don't understand the very BASIC ground floor aspect of the business. Are you arguing that you cant purchase Bitcoins outright from an exchange? And that the counter party risk of fiat processors is better than the counter party risk of community trusted escrow agents? Telling people what they do and don't understand is a bit of a stretch here. An escrow agent on this site can get hit by a car tomorrow. Nothing is a sure thing. Buyers in these new ASIC miner deals need protection. That comes in the form of Paypal or Credit cards. Everything else is a much greater risk. In my mind: 1. Credit card 2. Paypal 3. Escrow agent 4. Bank Transfer 5. Direct BTC payment is the order of ideal transactions from a safety perspective and if you are a new, unknown ASIC vendor (not a group buy from a known vendor) than #3 is not an option because they want the fund to fund the deal and #4 and #5 are a HUGE risk Which leaves Credit Cards and Paypal. |
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I have ordered 3 30Gh/s Units this February, and my friends ordered another 6 of those.
Is there any single unit like that delivered?
Do anyone have some estimation when could we suppose to get them?
If current promises are kept, Mid September |
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I wish everyone would pay in BTC...
You know that is really getting old. You realize that to have Bitcoins, you have to mine bitcoins. So why the heck would you expect to have everyone pay in BTC? On top of that, this is a new unknown vendor, what protection do I have paying in BTC? answer: NONE. That's why you should never own a business selling BTC miners. Because you don't understand the very BASIC ground floor aspect of the business. |
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Basically the rest of us buying at the 1.99 BTC price got royally screwed? What a scam, production price is apparently not NEARLY 2 BTC, probably not even 0.5 lol.
You didn't get royally screwed, you got knowingly screwed. From the day these were offered, the discussion was that the ROI on these at this price was measured in years. For you to have missed the 100+ threads/messages that mentioned that is your fault. |
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Ok, so who will be the first one to drive there to get some answers? lmao!
Well I guess at this point in the game what are the burning questions? Their paypal problem is not our problem YET. They don't have chips yet. The board and firmware have not been completed yet. If Paypal is an issue, my expectation is that they refund everyone, we pay again and we keep our places in line. Until we hear otherwise..... My suggestion is keep calm and carry on. Everything is looking good, Bkkcoins and the rest of the folks are doing great on the design and so far everything looks great. |
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so they answer selective on tickets ... that is much more scaring ...
does anyone that did a bank wire has had his order status updated?
My suggestion is that the answer all tickets concerning paypal & credit card transaction ...
no need to answer btc or bank wire transaction as ... the money is already in there pocket ...
no more customer convincement needed ... the next step in this prediction would be to refund
all paypal and tell us .... "We can hold queue spots only for those that pay with BTC or bank
wire. Credit card is supported but will let you loose the spot."
and voila all Customer/Purchase Protection ... bye bye :-) scam incoming?!
Well let's assume the best, and let's assume that your message about your topic is one of 100 similar messages, Would you: A. Like an immediate response of "We don't know, we should know soon" B. Wait until they know the answer and then send out a mass communication that let's everyone know at once. C. A half assed lie or speculation (like other ASIC sellers) that makes you feel uneasy. and keep in mind that if you answer is A. that you want them to waste time answering the same message with "I don't know" 100 times you don't get to complain when the timeline slips on delivery. |
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They are waiting for chips and waiting for the design to be completed.
I sent a ticket yesterday and got an answer in an hour.
They really don't have much to do at this moment.
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I'd buy 300 but not at $100
I don't need heat sinks, labels, or fancy boxes. Just the cards.
Someone wants $6000 for them just speak up!
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Once we get this thing working, the skies the limit for version 2
Does someone have a PCB to sell me, I'd like to start working on getting a water block designed for the overclockers.
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