What are the options/alternatives for the k16 heatsinks?
There are many options covered in this thread, I suggest you look at some rather than having people repeat them over and over. Type the word heatsink into the search and you should get 6 pages of hits. |
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I guess it did, the item is gone.
I was going to buy it for whatever it took.
See Page 20Also..I love how this thread has turned from going over a Single 50GH/s device into a massive (multipage) discussion about how some users have no idea how BitPay and Bitcoin-to-USD conversions work...as if they can't fathom that currency conversions actually exist. It's 100% clear that it's trolling at this point ..it's highly unlikely anyone can actually be this ignorant whilst partaking in Bitcoin. The trolling started at post #54 and didn't stop. If I was a mod the thread would have been closed not long after that. |
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Instead of doing all these crude hacks, why don't you simply read through the source code of the firmware and work out what has an effect first?
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People should be concerned about how long thier BFL device will actually work for before blowing out, They were rushed out, Right? They could all be little timebombs
They have a warranty you know, or don't you read those things? https://forums.butterflylabs.com/showwiki.php?title=FAQ:What+is+the+warranty+period+on+your+devices
Also, there are numerous examples of comparing BTC to Yen, Euro, USD, etc.. I think the prime difference in these cases is all of those are federally recognized as currency by governments and world bodies. BTC is not. Trust me, I want BTC to succeed as much as anyone here does, and I strongly believe digital currency is the future. However, because a group of people on the internet say Bitcoin is a mainstream currency, the courts (as far as I know) say differently. Maybe years down the road this will change, but I can't see a single judge seeing it this way as of now.
Bitcoin is not a currency in a general sense, it is a journal of past transactions in the public record. The block chain will not contain a record of BFL receiving your Bitcoins, as Bitpay received the Bitcoins. Good luck trying that one out on a judge, not that it would ever get that far, as to my knowledge BFL have not refused a refund of a pre-order to date, if they have nobody has screamed about it here. |
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BFL took a currency risk and apparently did not hedge it. Or they hedged it (by keeping the BTC paid instead of converting to USD) but are now unwilling to part with the profit made by holding that hedge.
The truth is that you won't know in what form and at what ratio (if they received a split) they received money for their products that were very clearly priced in USD. Most people assume that they received some USD, at least. How else would BFL pay for their components, rent, wages. and other expenses? It's nice to think you can use BTC for some things, but in reality it's not very many. |
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No, the question would rather boil down to: Would a judge find it reasonable that the development and shipping of a product clearly stated to be in development took more than double the time as stipulated. (AFAIK the original stipulation was 4 months.)
Does this mean that it's not possible to offer a product for sale while it's still in development?
I am a latecomer to BTC, but to me the whole BFL thing is a crowdfunding project that went sour because of many very impatient buyers.
You can always offer a product for sale when it's still in development. The building industry does it every day, selling off the plans. If something takes 2-3 times as long to produce as originally stipulated, then you would want to have a contract in place with performance clauses, which I doubt anyone bothered to in the BFL case. Most people buying mining gear are not that bright, or they don't care. |
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Yeah, I do understand how business works. No sane business would put up with the crap spewed forth on here. They would cancel your order, and not offer the chance to apologise. I wouldn't bother abusing customers personally, its counterproductive for the most part, and any customer that would willingly engage in such conduct as to push me or any reps of mine to that point would not be customers I would want to keep.
As for your personal attack, seriously, thats just pathetic. After the points I made previously, you just come out and tell me I'm a low level tech who should be fired from my job? For one thing, you don't know what I do for work, and for another, you don't judge how well I do my work. For the record, I am very good at what I do :-)
My ignore list here has about 80 names on it since April, that's more than the sum total of ignore lists on every other forum I am currently on, or have ever been a member of, that should tell you about the kind of people that post here. Pretty much all on my list are trying to smear someone, which would receive warnings and bans on other forums, even on the BTC-e troll box! The problem seems endemic. |
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Unlike some other ASIC vendors, BFL products are priced in $US not BTC, how you come up with those $US is up to you. You're far far away from truth. 1. BFL products are priced both in USD and BTC. You can see the proof on the commercial invoice BFL issues to their customers. The official document for every purchase is the INVOICE:  2. How I "come up with those $US" is exactly NOT my choice but BFL's choice, because customer acts entirely upon BFL instructions how much bitcoins to what bitcoin address they have to pay! If you choose to use Bitpay instead of Paypal because you want to convert some BTC to $US to pay for the item, then what happens to the BTC after Bitpay receives them is no longer your concern.
1. If I choose to use PayPal I have to be PayPal customer! Customers paying in BTC don't choose to use BitPay. BFL made this choice. BFL customers are not BitPay customers for they don't sign any contract with BitPay to be their customers. BFL signed such a contract with BitPay to be their customer. 2. You are correct that once BTC are on BFL's bitcoin account with BitPay customers don't have any control over them. Reason for this is that transactional currency is BTC not USD. As we all know refund is nothing else but a reversal of a transaction. This is why BTC refund must be in BTC not in USD. 3. Bitcoin refunds are treated by BFL as if customers didn't purchase ASIC but USD. This is a blatant violation of all forex regulations. Neither BFL nor BitPay have been licensed to make currency conversion for BFL customers. They are not regulated as exchanges. The BTC price is generated as a spot price by Bitpay not BFL, as the bitpay.com URL at the top of the page would obvioulsy tell you if you hadn't deliberately left it out of the picture. I have a Bitpay merchant account, I know how it works. If you don't have a PayPal account then bad luck, they are the two options on the checkout. To pay any other way you would have to contact BFL and arrange it, eg they accept bank transfer. Once again as the purchase price is in $US your point about forex is not valid. I don't own any $US, it's not my local currency, for me to pay BFL I would have to convert to $US generally using PayPal, and if I wanted a refund I would expect to have to convert back from $US to my local currency myself, regardless of what happened to the exchange rate in the meantime. If my local currency was BTC I would expect the conversion to use the spot exchange rate, not some past exchange rate. |
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Is there no internal power supply???
Nope, no room, would have to be over 300watt, probably closer to 500watt to have headroom. |
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Your logic has major discrepancies.
1. BitPay is coverting BTC to USD on behalf of BFL and to the extend BFL wish. They may covert 100% of the bitcoins received, 50%, or none at all. Depends how BFL setup their merchant account with BitPay. Don't forget that contractual obligation to covert all of the BTC or part of it is between BFL and BitPay, not between BitPay and BFL customers!
2. If you ask why, I'll ask as well. If bitcoin price skyrockets, I don't understand how is purchasing bitcoins from MtGox and sending them to BFL is more profitable than purchasing bitcoins from MtGox and keeping them in my bitcoin wallet? On the contrary, if bitcoin price skyrockets and BFL refunds BTC pre-orders in USD they simply profit from the free option call gambling customer money.
3. If bitcoin price drops to zero BFL customers are losers again despite that they've some chance to get USD priced product in future. It is very close to mind that if bitcoin price drops to zero the price of BFL ASICs will be zero either for they can not be used for anything else but mine bitcoins. In fact you'll have to pay extra money to dump them in electronic garbage depo.
Unlike some other ASIC vendors, BFL products are priced in $US not BTC, how you come up with those $US is up to you. If you choose to use Bitpay instead of Paypal because you want to convert some BTC to $US to pay for the item, then what happens to the BTC after Bitpay receives them is no longer your concern. Bitpay might convert them to any number of different currencies at the request of BFL, there are many currency options Bitpay offer merchants. If I was BFL I wouldn't leave the money in BTC, far too risky, I would use fiat, since BFL need to buy wafers, other components. pay rent and wages with it, can't suddenly have the value dropping by 50% as would have happened to any payments in the week after April 10th. But once again what happens to the BTC after Bitpay accept it is none of your business. All you need worry about is that you get the item you have purchased in what you feel is an acceptable time frame, or seek a refund of the $US purchase price. |
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Man who came up with 92
They are really common, a lot of the GPUs use 92mm fans. |
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The behavior on this thread really does astound me. In fact, its why I have finally signed up for an account here after more than a year and a half of lurking and avoiding it. I even waited out the newbie period for it.
Attitude, behavior, communication skills are often key factors in financial success, if you don't have those under control then you would naturally look for other ways to make a buck. Mining could well attract some of the group that are week in those skills, and explain some of the things you observed here. Probably no different than the many of the people attracted to gold mining in the past. |
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Really good point, but would you place a new order for a BFL ASIC today? If you placed a BFL order right now, do you think you could get it before you could get a similar product elsewhere?
Many thousands of people seem to think so, only time will tell. There are signs that Avalon may be preparing to open orders for a batch #4, seems that their online support ticket system now has "Fourth Batch" as a support tick menu option. |
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I have a question for Josh:
If you were a bitcoin miner, at this point why in the world would you buy a BFL product? Anyone who recently purchased a BFL product from BFL PLEASE feel free to chime in.
It's pretty obvious if you want an ASIC mining rig, what else is there? No more Avalon batch announcements, KNCminer have never shipped a thing, so your alternatives are very limited, you can wait months for one of the numerous Avalon chip board projects to be produced, which have their own long waiting queues. BFL and Block Erupter seem to be the only things actually shipping that you can order. |
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On a more important note than the smear campaigns: The shipping door was finally opened to the Singles. Its true we had already shipped a couple of Singles, but today it was several. We are not holding up shipping because the new power supplies have not arrived. Amazingly, everyone I called said, "Ship me the Single SC without the power supply unit." All Single SC shipments are from paydate June 23 and will be for awhile. https://forums.butterflylabs.com/blogs/bfl_jody/200-wednesday-june-19-2013-shipping-update.html |
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To all of you that seem concerned about Garr using a sockpuppet account: I was refreshing this thread constantly when Inaba accused Garr of using a sockpuppet account to post and I never saw that happen. I think Inaba photoshopped the image he used. Think about it a minute. Who constantly snap screenshots so fast that they could catch a posting that couldn't have been here for more than a few seconds. +1 There's enough evidence here suggesting that the quote and screenshot are fake that, if I were theymos, I would deny any request regarding the authenticity of the post. Why stand in the way of seeking the truth? I am the admin of a couple of forums, and I don't have a problem trawling though logs for something if people ask, though I use phpBB3, I am sure SMF is easy enough. Obviously not a job for a moderator, it would usually require higher permissions than that. |
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Would only take a few min to verify if Werner was Garret, the forums have logs, you can see post deletions, which would have been required to change the owner of post #93 at 1371628652 in the Inaba screenshot.
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Ok, then we need to ask Theymos if the IP address matches for both Garr/Werner accounts. Either Garr255/Werner is committing fraud or Inaba is committing libel. One has got to go.
If a mod can check that for us I'd be soooo happy  And what would that tell us? I can change my IP in a minute to appear is if it's a thousand miles away. I would rather if a mod just closed the thread, as it seems to have degraded and gone offtrack. |
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Yup BFL is going down BRO!
So even your avatar is a smear with offensive language and attempts at defamation. You would be banned on most forums I frequent. |
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