Thats the whole point 4 wheel steering is expensive, complex and higher chance of failure as a straight rear axel. Budget is key word. Budget is definitely not a keyword when you're talking about the government... Honestly I'm glad they run free for some years, that got them to the Moon... For things like this the budget would be a weight budget, not a dollar budget. Weight had to be minimized everywhere possible. This results in some odd realities. For example, custom fabricated item from titanium (fantastically expensive) turns out to be cheaper than off the shelf similar item from aluminum or steel. Reason is launch costs, which may be $50,000 USD per pound. |
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Is it schilly in here, or is it just me?
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....Because most people know that it is impossible to land on the moon.
Six American manned craft landed on the moon, a total of twelve men. and three electric vehicle waiting patiently for the next guy doings some wheel spins  Those ran on two 32aHr batteries each. It's rather amusing how small that battery pack would be today. So yeah, bring your battery, hook it up, and that moon buggy should go! Not sure where you get the info from the 32 aph batteries, this NASA site says 121 Ah https://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/planetary/lunar/apollo_lrv.htmlPower was provided by two 36-volt silver-zinc potassium hydroxide non-rechargeable batteries with a capacity of 121 amp-hr. (242 Ah) Unloading one of them  Is this^^ an actual photograph?  Why NASA provided it is unknown, whats interesting is the illustration of the Buggy unloading. It seems it was attached to the outside and then lowered like a Drawbridge. The LRV sure has some bizarre design features like 4 wheel steering which is very handy in thigh cornering, but on the lunar surface? Another is the added complexity to have electric power steering. Power steering is very handy on heavy vehicles but the LRV only weight 210 kg/ 463 pounds and additionally is only a sixth of gravity. On a single use battery using 4 motors just for steering 100 pound heavy vehicle?, odd. IIRC including payload it could go up to about a 1000 lb, or 166 lb under lunar gravity. Yes attached to outside and collapsed, it took up only 4 cubic feet. I thought the 4 wheel power steering was overkill, but then once you have an electric motor on each of the four axles... |
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... Is this^^ an actual photograph? The artist's name is clear lower left. |
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Well, folks, it didn't work the first time... so, let's do it again!
House Democrats Mull Second ImpeachmentIn a Monday court filing reported by Politico, House Counsel Douglas Letter argued that they still need testimony from former White House counsel Don McGahn, which may uncover new, impeachable evidence that Trump attempted to obstruct the Russiagate investigation (of a crime he didn't commit).
"If McGahn's testimony produces new evidence supporting the conclusion that President Trump committed impeachable offenses that are not covered by the Articles approved by the House, the Committee will proceed accordingly — including, if necessary, by considering whether to recommend new articles of impeachment," reads Letter's filing.  While this is from ZeroHedge, it makes sense on why the Dems are going to want to further go into impeachment stuff. They want to (and need to) convince more people to join their team. They thought with their public hearings that they'd be able to sway public opinion, but it really didn't do anything. Current aggregate polls from 538 show that support behind impeaching and removing the president is 48-48 (pretty much a dead tie) To go further with the support of the people, they need to flip this. And if they can't, they've failed and Trump will be able to use this as a victory of his own. |
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 these stupid conspiracies everyone knows the moon is a rear-screen special effect projected onto the roof of the skydome by Kubrik's cinematographer (who not everyone knows was a Jesuit shaman), and that the control panel that rotates it into position is in a hydrogen-bomb resistant bunker below Denver airport Where have you been? That was true until we draped that big piece of photo-sensitive canvas over the entire roof of the skydome, and Kubrik's vision of the Moon imprinted into the fabric. Then we helicoptered that big flat sheet up there. You know, up there, where everything floats. A couple corners had to be cut off to make room for mars. We used those corner cuts for all those tents at that airport. |
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if you look at democrats and their russia hatred, you think they are some kind of nazis or racists,
why do they hate people because they live in a different part of the world, is cnn and the american "left" insane?
or is the american left simply the right, because americans confuse left with right?
Focusing attention on the "Foreign Threat" and the "Evil Foreign Governments" has always been a way of deflecting attention from local evils and local problems. |
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We're discussing Earth moon which is also known as Luna. Other moons are either illusion or "discs of electrical plasma" (c) nobatman. Do flat moons skip off a planetary atmosphere like flat stones on a lake?
If so that would be a fun ride.
Exactly. You've made a success in understanding the astronomy of flat objects. If the Moon is flat, we could fold it up a couple of times like a paper airplane, and have a Lunar Lander. But that would be the end of the Flat Moon. |
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Oh yeah, not saying the guy who wrote the article is smart in the least. Just kinda agreeing with the fact that Trump lies (and other politicians) that's just a fact.
But yeah, you're without a doubt right on the depreciation thing. All businesses take it, twas a bit different back then and I think they did change it in 2004 -- making what Trump and other business owners did at the time impossible. Though deprecation still happens.
Depreciation is not an evil thing, which is what the writer tried to assert. That's ridiculous. When you do a business tax schedule, you list your income items, then your expense items. Depreciation is an expense item, period. It's simply an attempt made in tax law to recognize that assets age and wind up worth little or nothing. Some age to zero on a 5 or 7 year schedule, but commercial real estate is 37 years. If you sell the asset for more than it's book (depreciated) value, then that excess is recaptured and you pay tax on it. If it's real estate, you will at that time pay A LOT. So although the government allows depreciation, due to its printing money, money is worth less, and in $$$, the property "appreciates," then on a sale, you get taxed and the government makes out like a bandit. But the guy that wrote the article was a complete idiot. I don't know anyone that doesn't have flaws, often serious flaws. We're all imperfect. Yes it shows in Trump. Other politicians spend their lives covering up flaws, becoming actors. He doesn't. Some see bad in this, others see good. |
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....Because most people know that it is impossible to land on the moon.
Six American manned craft landed on the moon, a total of twelve men. and three electric vehicle waiting patiently for the next guy doings some wheel spins Those ran on two 32aHr batteries each. It's rather amusing how small that battery pack would be today. So yeah, bring your battery, hook it up, and that moon buggy should go! |
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Subj. Do your join requests here.  Do flat moons skip off a planetary atmosphere like flat stones on a lake? If so that would be a fun ride. |
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Let's have a look at the latest outburst of Don Quixote Trump. What do we think? Truth or lies? If lies, then ad-libbed, off-the-cuff stuff, or carefully choreographed? Or a bit of both - the theme carefully prepared and then communicated in his standard conversational style? “I never understood wind. You know, I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody I know. It’s very expensive. They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none. But they’re manufactured tremendous — if you’re into this — tremendous fumes. Gases are spewing into the atmosphere.”
“You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe. So tremendous, tremendous amount of fumes and everything. You talk about the carbon footprint — fumes are spewing into the air. Right? Spewing. Whether it’s in China, Germany, it’s going into the air. It’s our air, their air, everything — right?”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/12/23/president-trump-lashes-out-an-old-enemy-windmillsI may (do) think that he's not particularly intelligent, but he's not an idiot, he's well aware that renewables have a tiny carbon footprint compared to fossil fuels, and his positioning here seems quite skilful. 'We have a world', 'Our air, their air', even the word 'spewing' that he uses 3 times in just this segment, very evocative and emotive. So whether this is ad-libbed or not, his message - although I disagree with it profoundly - is communicated perfectly here. He is one of us, fighting the establishment powers, standing up for our rights against the massively polluting renewable energy companies. Of course it's all nonsense, lies of almost breathtaking audacity, but he's good at communicating exactly what he wants to communicate to his target audience. He's also thrown in a bit about it being un-American to support windmills, because if you do, you're not supporting American industry, but rather America's enemies, both current and historic 'They’re made in China and Germany mostly — very few made here, almost none'. Barely a word is wasted here. Windmills are 'very expensive'. Even 'the world is tiny compared to the universe', he's evoking images of vulnerability, as if he's deeply concerned about our helpless little planet. I despise him, and think that he sounds like a fool, but I can't deny there is a lot of skill in this speech. How much is his and how much is at least loosely scripted I couldn't say, but it's impressive nevertheless. The syntax and grammar are appalling 'I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody', 'they’re manufactured tremendous [...] fumes', and some of it invites ridicule 'I never understood wind', 'You know we have a world, right?' ... but beneath this is a well-targeted and skilfully delivered message. .... lol, that is a perfect example of Trump grammar and syntax. Reality is, though, that it is neither truth nor lies. It's Trump talking. Sort of a stream of consciousness, not scripted. Let me warn you though, that there is a common error that Trump haters make, and that is to hear things like this and translate to "He's stupid." My advice would be to start with the line "I know windmills very much. I’ve studied it better than anybody", and presume that is completely accurate. EG he knows more than you or I about them. On a classroom test on windmill technology he'd get high 90s. That's a start... Then he talks about what he knows with this crazy insane grammar and drives people nuts. I don't know why some people take it all very seriously and I find it comical. I do know this is part of what causes him to win time after time. People underestimate him as stupid, then they blunder, then he aces them easily. |
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....Because most people know that it is impossible to land on the moon.
Six American manned craft landed on the moon, a total of twelve men. |
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....The extreme right-wing often claims to represent the people against the corrupt politicians, and at the same time implement policies to increase wealth inequality. People across the world increasingly feel disenfranchised, but they don't elect left-wing politicians (Bernie Sanders etc) who would really represent the interests of ordinary people, instead what we have is demonisation of the left by the moneyed elite, and the right stay in power. ...
Here in the USA it is different than what you describe. It is the "moneyed elite of the left" who spew socialist schemes but seem to only seek more power and give the people little or nothing they promised. Not sure Trump is "right wing" at all, by the way. Except that in an odd fashion, the left has moved much farther to the left in the last ten years. American jews have traditionally been > 90% Democrat, but now the party seems to have turned against them, embracing anti-semitism. American blacks have been > 90% democrat but now much less. Trump made them a couple promises and kept them. For example, Obama's regime handled immigration from the South much as Trump has, but now the American left advocates letting them all in. Let the disaster that was seen in Europe repeat itself here. Where did that come from? That wasn't the traditional American Left. |
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Repeat after me. Math wins. Insults lose. |
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Joe is trying to keep his son, Hunter, from having to protect Trump, by being forced to be a Trump witness at the impeachment.
EXCLUSIVE: HERE'S Hunter! Biden's son is FOUND in Los Angeles as Donald Trump demands he is a witness at impeachment trial and Joe lashes out at Republicans who have 'attacked my family'Hunter Biden has been found hiding out in Los Angeles, exclusive DailyMail.com photos show, amid his new wife's pregnancy, fighting his Arkansas baby mama's paternity case and facing calls from President Donald Trump to testify in his impeachment trial.
The scandal-ridden 49-year-old was alone as he ducked out of his home on Friday afternoon, wearing a hip blue suede jacket, skinny jeans and boots, along with his wedding ring.
The sighting comes a week after DailyMail.com revealed that his new South African wife Melissa Cohen, 32, is pregnant and in her second trimester.
As Hunter lays low on the West Coast, Trump demanded that he be called as a witness in his impeachment trial as Hunter is at the center of the trial based on his role with Ukrainian oil company Burisma.
And apparently, his father Joe Biden has had enough of the focus on his son, lashing out during Thursday's presidential candidate debate, claiming Republicans were 'attacking' Hunter. I don't buy this. His being in LA is not going to prevent or hinder his testifying. That can be done via a video link if all parties agree. And right now I don't see anything wrong for anybody if Hunter testified. It is what it is, right? There isn't much in dispute about what Hunter was doing over there. Assuming the worst, that Hunter and his father were both engaged in illegal operations, this does not affect the two charges that the House has leveled against Trump. |
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Besides, you have been sitting in on his cabinet meetings, right? So you know the info he gleans from around the world, and the strategic info guidance he gets from other people who are way smarter than he, or you, or me, right? No, of course not. And I'm not disputing that he has extremely competent advisors who are much more intelligent than I am, and are supreme political strategists. The Trump phenomenon can't be taken in isolation however, here in the UK we have Boris Johnson, who is very much a Trump-lite, cast in a very similar mould. Trump isn't a maverick one-off, he's representative of a developing trend. In many areas the US leads and the rest of the world follows a few years later. This is think is one of those examples. Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation."
Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying?
Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe.
Yes, point conceded. The petulant child bit is how he appears to me, appreciate he does not appear that way to everyone, or else he would never have got elected. I will stop the bitching and griping, let's get back to the subject of how he lies without caring about being perceived as a liar. RE this point, we are not exactly in disagreement. I just view there as being more than one dimension to personality excepting in people who are one dimensional. Referring back to a prior post, ... my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement. I have worked with several people who were similar, that's why I put it this way. He is certainly not the average politician really not a politician at all. On the subject of lying, though, which is interesting. During the debates he scolded those he was up against, both Dem and Rep if I recall correctly, as being "Lying politicians." He said he was making some promises and he was going to keep them. Now, Hillary had been caught in some pretty serious lies on Fast and Furious, and on Bengazi and other matters. But Trump seemed to zero in on the "big social program of change" as a characteristic lie of the aspiring politician. Now I would say this, that a great many people think he delivered on his campaign promises or where he has not, it is due to opposing forces stalling his agenda. I ask this, on these matters which he said he was running on and made more or less his platform, is he a liar? I am NOT certain that left oriented media will say no, and right oriented media will say yes on this. At least to a certain extent this is fact, right? Here's NPR's take on the matter. https://www.npr.org/2019/01/20/686531523/progress-report-president-trumps-campaign-promises-2-years-laterHere's the BBC. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37982000Maybe those are somewhat unbiased viewpoints? |
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my opinion of Trump is sort of he's like a near-autistic high level genius. That would explain poor social skills and high achievement.
Where's the high achievement? Being born into wealth in a plutocratic society qualifies you to be president (or prime minister in the UK, hello Boris Johnson). It's not a meritocracy, you don't get to run the country by being the best person to run the country. Trump is all bluster and front, with nothing behind it. There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation. And as a businessman, his "defence" against the claim that he lost more money than any other US citizen in history is that it was just for tax purposes. Brilliant. So defrauding the country of $1b makes you the perfect person to run that country... I read that article, and I'm seriously not impressed with it's arguments or logic. Here are a couple of examples. Mr. Trump was able to lose all that money without facing the usual consequences — such as a steep drop in his standard of living — in part because most of it belonged to others, to the banks and bond investors who had supplied the cash to fuel his acquisitions. ...Well Duh... Then it wasn't his losses! Those losses were passed through to the investors. An investor group shares in profits and in losses.
Some fraction of that ocean of red ink represented depreciation on Mr. Trump’s real estate. One of the most valuable special benefits in the tax code, depreciation lets owners of commercial real estate write down the cost of their buildings.Depreciation is taken by everyone who has businesses. Today on commercial, it's the least lenient. Straight line for 37 years, less than 3% per year. Granted, this article goes way back and tax law may have been different. Generally, speaking, though. This kind of a comment, "There's barely even a guiding intelligence, he's just a petulant child consumed by avarice and a constant need for validation." Seriously? Go back and study his performance in the debates. Sounds like you just want to have an anti-Trump bitch and gripe thread, not one specifically about his purported lying? Just asking...I'm not particularly interested in trump vs anti trump bitch and gripe. |
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You really do need to get some spheres (balls). |
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Mr. Trump was impeached on Wednesday, Professor Turley said. “Article I, Section 2 says that the House ‘shall have the sole power of impeachment.’ It says nothing about a requirement of referral to complete that act.”....
What's the practical point of this? There has to be one, because these are actually power plays for which absolute legality is not required (neither does it exist). Maybe to allow arguing on the part of the Dems that an "impeached president" should not be allowed to appoint the successor to Ginsberg? |
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