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10 seconds to the ground from 1200 feet are you kidding me?
over 200 vertical columns were there to prevent that
I'm sure you have some equations to support your blabber. Right? |
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Trump recently spoke to reporters and rebuked Faucis testimony, stating that he didn't agree with what Fauci had to say regarding opening the economy and that criticized his responses multiple times. I honestly don't see this as a winning strategy, people do want the economy open (everyone does!) but when you the experts in infectious diseases / medicine coming out and saying that if you are to go to fast, there is going to be unnecessary death and destruction, then I'd much rather side with the experts....
When I see those "experts" obeying their own advice to the masses and not going to hair salons and getting haircuts because those places are closed (except for them) I might pay more attention to them. |
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I've said it before, and I'm going to keep saying it; The Obama administration will go down in history as the most corrupt, anti-American, unprincipled, most detrimental administration in US history. Under Obama, the the ATF blatantly flaunted their disregard for the constitution. Under Obama, the DOJ blatantly flaunted their disregard for the constitution. Under Obama, the State Department blatantly flaunted their disregard for the constitution.
Under Obama, the FBI became his personal bodyguards, secret police, and "fixers." They covered up the administration's transgressions, and framed Obama's political opponents. They even tried to frame the incoming President Elect with a known fraudulent document. Up until now, we've been lead to believe that the FBI was acting on their own, the White House was una....
I agree with these basic assertion. Tt should be known and understood that this is at the root of a large number of secondary and tertiary problems. This is what you get when someone tries to export "the Chicago WAY" to Washington DC. |
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Just a quick note - I believe this was in response to Fauci's assertion that the kids shouldn't go back to school until after we have a vaccine, eg stay out the whole year that STARTS august/September.
kids dont really like school and can learn from home.. so what i believe really is the big question about schools that most are concerned about.. who will babysit the kids so parents can go back to work i believe the best option is for normal 'workbook' stuff kids can do remote learning. and only go into school to do 'practical' lessons thus only need a third of peoples in school at any time. which should allow social distancing layouts of classrooms. but to still be reactive to any flare ups to avoid it becoming a full on hotzone this ofcourse would cause alot of issues with childcare. so secondary/highschool kids could to more remote learning as they are old enough to look after themselves (parents just put a banknote on the kitchen table to buy a pizza for dinner). and make schools more manageable for the younger students in primary/elementary years to support the younger years to stay in hospital as much as possible. i still think whether kids go to school full time or part time there will be a point of needing to manage the flare ups and using different facilities to 'babysit' kids. other wise the parents will find it harder to get back to work.. You are reaching a conclusion based on reasonable premises but uncertainty in the data. It does not pass a common sense test. |
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Pretty much true, accepted and standard practice that all plea bargainers commit perjury. What's interesting is that "perjury" is a charge that can be brought by a judge himself toward someone that was in his courtroom. Not by the DOJ and not by some injured party. AS FAR AS THE LEGALITY of reversing a plea. There are specific rules and conditions for reversing a plea. Because it's common knowledge that a plea bargain is the defendant swearing to a lie, reversing a plea bargain must be allowed. If the Judge Sullivan keeps going down this rat hole, it will be another example of someone trying to entrap Trump, and the attempt boomeranging back on them. |
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I've said it before, and I'm going to keep saying it; The Obama administration will go down in history as the most corrupt, anti-American, unprincipled, most detrimental administration in US history. Under Obama, the the ATF blatantly flaunted their disregard for the constitution. Under Obama, the DOJ blatantly flaunted their disregard for the constitution. Under Obama, the State Department blatantly flaunted their disregard for the constitution. Under Obama, the FBI became his personal bodyguards, secret police, and "fixers." They covered up the administration's transgressions, and framed Obama's political opponents. They even tried to frame the incoming President Elect with a known fraudulent document. Up until now, we've been lead to believe that the FBI was acting on their own, the White House was unaware of their actions. We now know that to be yet another lie, to hide the extent of Obama's fraud on the American people. I know there are bigger fish to fry today, with Corona Virus and the Shutdown Economy, and Trump refusing to wear a N95 mask. So the media will focus on those important things, and allow the undermining of our constitution to slip the back pages. Where's the outrage? Where're the calls for justice? In fact, I find the lack of outrage as outrageous, but far less surprising. The media has been hiding the transgressions of liberals, and fabricating transgressions to pin on conservatives for decades now. The media's complicity in the corruption of our federal government is nothing short of sinister. They are attempting to create an elitist, upper class of citizen based on political affiliation and marketability. But I have high hopes. I believe in this great experiment. I believe that someday justice will be served, and our great country will be stronger for it. Most of us "freethinkers" already recognized the facade the Noble Statesman Obama conjured, and recognized the slick orator as a fraud, a scoundrel, and a carpetbagger. And now finally the media is starting to slowly acknowledge the hypocrisy of his administration. They will, of course continue to hide their own culpability... But only if we let them. What will be the undoing of Obummer's legacy? Where the Fast and Furious and Benghazi fiascoes failed, what the obvious lies about Trump and Russia were unable to expose, General Micheal Flynn will succeed. Ironic beyond belief; the man Obama tried to destroy for having the gall to question his actions, will be the man that undoes his unblemished legacy. Here's a great article that exposes the rampant hypocrisy and blatant lies of the Obama administration, and their coordinated attack on Flynn: https://www.nationalreview.com/2020/05/dont-shrug-at-obamas-michael-flynn-scandal/The most effective way for the actual conspirators to squash the truth would be for them to shower so many bunko conspiracy theories around it that it was effectively buried. With a noise-to-signal ratio high enough, a post that made sense would be effectively buried. A good example is this post and this thread. |
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Things are getting a bit better, I shall try to cross 2 borders within the next few days. I just hope everything will go smoothly, because as of today I'm getting information that I won't be able to return. Very difficult times for travelers like me...
Maybe just wait? Yes, thanks for advice, I've been waiting quite a lot already, but I shall wait a bit more, as I'm getting contradictory information about a border I had plan to cross (I'm in western Europe, traveling by car). Besides, I'm still separated from my girlfriend who's in Russia. They don't let any foreigners in, and she can't visit me... Russia is sealed off due to Covid? |
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Ugh, dont even remind me of the flu vaccine. Had it this year for the first time in awhile and still got the flu, pretty sure I'm just on a cycle of getting the flu every few years - regardless of a vaccine or not.
I know the vaccine does help to make it milder, but shit no one could convince me that the flu I experienced this year was milder. Actually -- I should get the Coronavirus antibody test to see if I had it, would be nice to know.
If you already had it, then you could stop worrying about getting it. |
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its much better to get the number down to numbers that are manageable.. then start schools again after summer break.. yep america's summer break is about to start anyway so no point sending kids to school just to send them back home in a couple weeks.
best to just leave it to august/september now
Just a quick note - I believe this was in response to Fauci's assertion that the kids shouldn't go back to school until after we have a vaccine, eg stay out the whole year that STARTS august/September. |
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Update on Michael Flynn -- Federal Judge in his case isn't fully ready to toss the case againt Flynn, as he does have some discretion to prod a bit further on the reasoning. He's asking for input from (legal input) from DOJ, Flynn, other parties to see why exactly this is being done by the DOJ. Not sure what kind of legal discretion he has, but I know he is allowed to ask for input before fully accepting it. I wouldn't call this breaking news, as some were expecting it to happen as this whole thing came out of left field. But I don't personally think this is going to go anywhere. If anything, he'll just end up getting a pardon from Trump as his base will probably now support that with ease. https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/judge-flynn-case-takes-unusual-step-allowing-3rd-party-briefs-n1205811?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_maIf the judge does not agree, Flynn can simply appeal the case. All the DOJ has to do to reach the desired outcome is to agree with the defendant's position in their first response. Flynn wins appeal by summary judgement. |
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Do you think a one size fits all policy will work?[/b]
If Fauci says something that might be okay in NY, what about Montana?
This is the only policy that will work. It does not matter to this virus where people live. It will infect all that it can. Population density plays a role, however, human physical interactions are critical. If you go back to the way of life before the lockdowns, the virus will spread very quickly, everywhere, including in Montana. Having different policies for different areas based on their current points on the infection curve is short-sighted at best, IMHO. Wearing PPE, social distancing is the only thing that will limit the spread.Schools should be closed, and all gatherings should be banned until we get a reliable vaccine and vaccinate everyone. We are in the early stages of this. The way we are handling it is criminal, IMHO. The way things are now, we might not see the second wave until the next spring.I do not think one can rationally discuss things like those bolded above until you have facts that explain differences in virus spread / rates between say, CA and NY. There's some discussion about this virus actually having been around in Nov-Jan at least on the West Coast, and possibly a higher level of IGM/IGG responses there. |
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heres some facts
when you have a population of 320mill. and a disease that is 30% asymptomatic. 50% mild 20% severe
and you know there are not 64mill hospital beds.
and you know there is not 1mill hospital beds if progressing over a year.
then you know you cant allow it just to 'herd immunity spread' and let the hospitals take up the slack. because there is no slack.
instead with just 6mill people had it =4mill symptomatic meaning >2m severe means only 80k death risk because hospitals can cope(because the >2m is spread over 2 months not in one week)
but if you imagine them 6mill were not spread over 2 months. but instead were weekly numbers. there would not be beds for everyone and the >2mill severe per week wont get oxygen or medical care. meaning more deaths. and it still taking a year to spread(6m a week= over 52weeks)
stupid people think that 320mill americans must have had it by now.
they dont even think that only a few million have. meaning ~1%-2% not 100%
think of all the hospital stress in march-early april at the peak. that was like 1% yet hospitals were stressed.
imagine herd immunity of 2-3-4-5-6%
too many ignorant people care more about fiat than human life. which makes them hypocrits to be on a bitcoin forum but think fiat means more than anything else
Fauci has been wrong a number of times and has relied on low quality models. Here's Rand Paul debating with him, on the subject of reopening schools. “ Shouldn’t we at least be discussing what the mortality of children is?” Paul asked Fauci, adding that "the mortality between [ages] 0 and 18 in New York approaches zero. … So, really, we do need to be thinking about that. We need to observe with an open mind what went on in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school.” “I hope that people who are predicting doom and gloom and saying, ‘Oh, we can’t do this. There’s going to be the surge,’ will admit that they were wrong if there isn't a surge. Because I think that's what's going to happen,” the senator continued, adding, “I think the ‘one size fits all,’ that we’re going to have a national strategy and nobody’s going to go to school, is kind of ridiculous. We really ought to be doing it school district by school district.” “As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don’t think you’re the end-all. I don’t think you’re the one person that gets to make a decision,” Paul concluded. “But if we keep kids out of school for another year, what’s going to happen is the poor and underprivileged kids … are not going to learn for a full year.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/rand-paul-clashes-with-dr-fauci-over-reasonable-call-to-reopen-schoolsRand Paul is a complete idiot. Mortality in children is irrelevant. Community spread is relevant here. How many older or overweight adults, parents/grandparents will these kids infect? As for Fauci, he is an MD. He graduated first in his class from Cornell. When you trained as an engineer, but you work as a CEO, you don't stop being an engineer. He is an MD, always will be, it does not matter that he does not prescribe blood thinners to old people in your nearest walk-in clinic. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_FauciWhen he talks, he actually makes sense. Unlike all the other talking heads, democrats and republicans alike. His honesty is infectious. Do you think a one size fits all policy will work? If Fauci says something that might be okay in NY, what about Montana? |
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heres some facts
when you have a population of 320mill. and a disease that is 30% asymptomatic. 50% mild 20% severe
and you know there are not 64mill hospital beds.
and you know there is not 1mill hospital beds if progressing over a year.
then you know you cant allow it just to 'herd immunity spread' and let the hospitals take up the slack. because there is no slack.
instead with just 6mill people had it =4mill symptomatic meaning >2m severe means only 80k death risk because hospitals can cope(because the >2m is spread over 2 months not in one week)
but if you imagine them 6mill were not spread over 2 months. but instead were weekly numbers. there would not be beds for everyone and the >2mill severe per week wont get oxygen or medical care. meaning more deaths. and it still taking a year to spread(6m a week= over 52weeks)
stupid people think that 320mill americans must have had it by now.
they dont even think that only a few million have. meaning ~1%-2% not 100%
think of all the hospital stress in march-early april at the peak. that was like 1% yet hospitals were stressed.
imagine herd immunity of 2-3-4-5-6%
too many ignorant people care more about fiat than human life. which makes them hypocrits to be on a bitcoin forum but think fiat means more than anything else
Fauci has been wrong a number of times and has relied on low quality models. Here's Rand Paul debating with him, on the subject of reopening schools. “Shouldn’t we at least be discussing what the mortality of children is?” Paul asked Fauci, adding that "the mortality between [ages] 0 and 18 in New York approaches zero. … So, really, we do need to be thinking about that. We need to observe with an open mind what went on in Sweden, where the kids kept going to school.” “I hope that people who are predicting doom and gloom and saying, ‘Oh, we can’t do this. There’s going to be the surge,’ will admit that they were wrong if there isn't a surge. Because I think that's what's going to happen,” the senator continued, adding, “I think the ‘one size fits all,’ that we’re going to have a national strategy and nobody’s going to go to school, is kind of ridiculous. We really ought to be doing it school district by school district.” “As much as I respect you, Dr. Fauci, I don’t think you’re the end-all. I don’t think you’re the one person that gets to make a decision,” Paul concluded. “But if we keep kids out of school for another year, what’s going to happen is the poor and underprivileged kids … are not going to learn for a full year.” https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/rand-paul-clashes-with-dr-fauci-over-reasonable-call-to-reopen-schools |
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I wouldn't use the term never, but it will take sometime until life is back to what we think of as normal. Most people aren't going to be too excited to be going out in a time like this, even if government restrictions begin to lax, I highly doubt that restaurants are going to fill up, or sports stadiums will fill up, and so on and so forth.
A large amount of offices are going to have people work from home while having people come to the office in shifts. I know this is pretty common right now for companies that need to have their workers in the office (and are deemed essential) and can't just work fully online for some reason.
People are going to want to wait for a vaccine, but they'll probably just settle for not having large events if the spread slows and deaths slow. Obviously older people and those that are at risk are still going to be at home though. Education is a tough one, and I expect for that to be online for at least the first half of the next school year. Going to be hard for schools (and really everyone) when flu season comes and its hard to differentiate who has Corona and who has the flu.
Yes, if the vaccine is already available to the public, I think it will start to return to normal. However, this will take maybe years but OP don't say never. And also, once the potent combination of medicines is identified, we will slowly trust ourself to go out. But still practicing social distancing and all. Outbreaks in our history had been surpassed so is this one. I didn't include more about the vaccine in my post, which I should've, but I do think it is important for people to note that I do think a large amount of people are going to be sketpical of such a vaccine at least without much research occurring on it. This isn't me saying that people are going to say that this vaccine is causing autism, because I'm not doing that (yes, some tards will do that, but that's not what I'm on about here) I'm talking about how people are going to have to make informed decisions about if the vaccine is worth it for them - meaning if the benefits of not getting the coronavirus outweigh the potential side effects of this vaccine. As far as COVID, "vaccine" is a media pipe dream. COVID-19 like all these virii mutates rapidly. But every year, they'll have a flu vaccine that's better than no vaccine. That's the way it is. |
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That's sort of where we start to disagree. You can't. You can ASSUME what someone's intentions may be, but you don't know. Assumptions are not facts.
It may sound trite, but someone's INTENTIONS might just be to talk. On international media.
Talk to any practicing doctor about the COVID matter. Someone who has been a government administrator for forty years does not speak for him.
I mean I can assume the intentions of another, but both of us are just going to be shooting in the dark here. I know that. I just think with this amount of time this guy has been in government, and the amount of praise that he has, would make it clear that his sole intention is to try to help people. Maybe if the guy had worked in the private sector for sometime to just make some $$$$, and if he'd only been here for sometime I'd think different, but that's just not the case. I mean yeah the guy isn't a practicing doctor, but what in gods name could my physician tell me that would stop the spread of the coronavirus? Wouldn't you want someone with the background in infectious diseases to be the guy that is leading the charge here? Poor facts, even very poor facts, would be a far better basis for decisions than a chained set of interdependent assumptions. Heard of joint probability? If 60% chance XYZ's sole intent is to help people, if 60% the praise he has is correctly placed, if 60% the guy's time in government gives him more wisdom, if 60% chance he hasn't lost the skill and perspective of a practicing doctor.... x = .6x.6x.6x.6 = 13% Just like Airport Security Theater, we are dealing with Covid Theater. That is what Fauci has been and is creating. In no way is it wise, required or important. |
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SNIP
Sure. You've made assumptions about the motives of people eg Fauci. I have a background in computer modeling. When he first started babbling about his "Models" I tuned him out as a complete idiot on the very subject he was purporting to advise as a medical professional. I'm qualified to say that. Make sense? Oh, to be honest with you I didn't even pick up on this when watching through some of the testimony. Might be because I have no background in compute modeling. But when I speak about someone like Fauci and their intentions.... [/quote] That's sort of where we start to disagree. You can't. You can ASSUME what someone's intentions may be, but you don't know. Assumptions are not facts. It may sound trite, but someone's INTENTIONS might just be to talk. On international media. Talk to any practicing doctor about the COVID matter. Someone who has been a government administrator for forty years does not speak for him. |
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Not surprising to most people, but Anthony Fauci (and some other medical experts) testified remotely in front of the Senate panel for the Coronavirus and stated that they think that a slow reopening of the economy should occur, instead of rushing this. They warned that if we are to reopen too quickly, we're going to face death and illness that is unnecessary. It's important to point out that when medical experts come to the Senate - and any body - to testify, the information they're going to provide is from a medical point of view. There is no reason for Fauci (or anyone in the medical community) to talk about the effects of this virus on the economy, they shouldn't change their opinion based on the economy. They should inform the public of what they think should be done from a medical point of view, and then we make a decision based on all of the other variables..... As always: Use this to get around paywalls ( https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome) No to the above. The reason is that because you have several assumptions there. Fauci's been an administrator for 40 YEAR!!! Not a "medical doctor." Not exactly sure what I've done wrong here, is there something in particular that you didn't like about my post or is there something that I've said that isn't factual here? Kinda want to make sure I know what you disagree with here before attempting to respond. Sure. You've made assumptions about the motives of people eg Fauci. I have a background in computer modeling. When he first started babbling about his "Models" I tuned him out as a complete idiot on the very subject he was purporting to advise as a medical professional. I'm qualified to say that. Make sense? His "information" isn't "from a medical point of view." |
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Deaths per 1 Million Population: Greece: 14 Italy: 505 Spain: 569 USA: 244 Basically Greece has the situation under control. It's probably because the hospitals there are actual hospitals rather than fleecing tents and because the people there, despite not having been through this situation before understand the risks of what might happen. By the way, I grew up in Greece and I never visited a brothel, even when I was invited to go to one with some friends. It's not because I don't wanna have a bunch of sex and it's not because I think prostitution is immoral. It's because I think it's lame to have to pay for sex, to a certain degree. Although, true story, Greeks if not number 1 in sexual activity are somewhere in that ballpark. I wonder if the police will get many volunteers to work as observers.
That wouldn't fly in Greece, it's not a police matter. Greece, unlike many other places in this world, is not a police state. Living there, you're not constantly watched over by the police, society there expects everyone to be responsible, and also treats people like adults. ... Wait... So you are going to ruin a good hooker story? Darn... |
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Not surprising to most people, but Anthony Fauci (and some other medical experts) testified remotely in front of the Senate panel for the Coronavirus and stated that they think that a slow reopening of the economy should occur, instead of rushing this. They warned that if we are to reopen too quickly, we're going to face death and illness that is unnecessary. It's important to point out that when medical experts come to the Senate - and any body - to testify, the information they're going to provide is from a medical point of view. There is no reason for Fauci (or anyone in the medical community) to talk about the effects of this virus on the economy, they shouldn't change their opinion based on the economy. They should inform the public of what they think should be done from a medical point of view, and then we make a decision based on all of the other variables..... As always: Use this to get around paywalls ( https://github.com/iamadamdev/bypass-paywalls-chrome) No to the above. The reason is that because you have several assumptions there. Fauci's been an administrator for 40 YEAR!!! Not a "medical doctor." |
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