The numbers and the design of a cryptosystem aren't my opinion, and dash's faulty design using those standards isn't opinion-- This sounds like your implying either that Dash has a faulty design, or that the instamine was by design. Either way, please enlighten us with some facts. As I've said before, you would be doing Dash a favor. Vertoe's "Fuck this centralized shady Golden Donkey scam; I quit" post pretty well covers Dash's structural governance issues. Do you need me to quote it?  |
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Lol, way OT but whatever, at least Dash has such amazing innovations as a GUI wallet, several of them even which is several more than another coin being heavily promoted in this thread  It is not several more. The other coin also has several GUi wallets. If you mean the original/official GUI wallet, Dash got that with no development (along with 99% of its implementation) by being a Bitcoin fork. Brilliant. Dash managed to create a rebranded Bitcoin wallet? Wow! Such amazing, very innovation!  Paycoin also had a GUI. Look how well that's worked out for its formerly self-assured Cult of Garza bagholders. |
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You were asked to stop being a child. And you were asked respectfully. Why does an intelligent man need to include this ^^^ kind of pathetic nonsense?
This 'earning respect' thingy. Lecture the readers a little more, on how this works for you.
The problem is that SafeCoins are not actually safe. They use the radically transparent Bitcoin blockchain, so they are easily traceable/linkable/public. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of using an encrypted P2P VPN like Maid? It would be like requiring Paypal to use TOR. Bad idea. There's a difference between Maidsafecoin and Safecoin which you don't get. Maidsafecoin was the "proxy coin" for the crowdsale. Safecoin will be implemented on the SAFE Network. And for Safecoin no blockchain is used. So when you send your Maidsafecoin to an address provided by Maidsafe, they'll send you your Safecoin over the SAFE Network. Another option probably is that exchanges like Poloniex will do the switch. Once on Safenet no one can trace any coins back to you. There's no blockchain on that system. No way to send a request and see which address has how many coins. You could make 150 new addresses in your wallet all owned by you an nobody has a clue who the owner is. You could even make a temporarily account on SAFE just to get the coins. Once you have them you send them to your real account and nobody has a clue you did it. Thanks for the thorough explanation. Has the convoluted process you describe been reviewed by Peter Todd or a similar expert in adversarial thinking and penetration testing? All those steps create a large amount of attack surface, some of which may leak or possibly be tricked into reducing privacy. |
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Help me with some personal perspective, here.
To me, it seems a little bit like XMR was the catalyst for this entire bloodbath weekend for alts. XMR took that massive pounding on the huge selloff Friday evening. I could be wrong, but it sure seems to me as though at the time, XMR was the only alt significantly in the red. Most of the rest of the leaderboard on Polo was still green until sometime Saturday, and then the selloff was pretty far and wide Saturday night and Sunday.
Am I imagining this?
Does it mean anything that XMR would be the canary in the coal mine?
XMR may have been a co-factor, but ETH is the dominant catalyst driving the alt market's moons and bloodbaths. It is funny how some alts begin to wane while others wax, with ETH being AFAIK the leading indicator and MAID trailing. But at present I don't see the tiny XMR tail wagging the giant alt market dog. I'd love to see that, eventually. |
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A scam requires VICTIMS. In fact it doesn't, only a successful one does. This is getting hilarious. Hope you guys are getting well paid for your time. So a scam with no victims is now an unsuccessful scam. A fraudulent scheme performed by a dishonest individual, group, or company in an attempt obtain money or something else of value.
I'm not even stating whether Dash is a successful or unsuccessful scam, only pointing out that a "scam" does not require victims, it is based on the actions of those involved. For the sake of clarity, let's avoid unnecessary quibbling. I believe we can all agree Dash is (up to this moment in time) a superlatively successful scam. The ostensible market cap on CMC indicates Dash is the king of shitcoins, but we don't have to necessarily endorse that sordid state of affairs to recognize its prevalence. Toknormal, you are a obviously a fairly well-read guy. But we both know you must ultimately yield to a Plus 10 Sword of Logic when wielded by the capable hands of one such as smooth. The more you struggle, the more his artfully constructed tar pit envelops and drags you down. I only dare to contradict smooth on exceedingly rare occasions when I have an airtight, overwhelmingly persuasive case to the contrary. As your analytical and rhetorical skills pale in comparison to my own, I strongly advise you not engage with superior forces in direct confrontation. The facts simply are not on your side, and the more you protest the worse for the wear is your cheerleader narrative. |
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Too late iCEY, your opportunity to control the Dash narrative has come to an end
The facts control the Dash narrative. Everybody knows about the damning fact of Dash's fully intentional instamine. The "Dash = instamined scam" narrative is now permanent. If only there was a fork of Dash with no instamine or centralized Foundation.... |
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After spending hundreds of hours roaming this forum I must tell you I feel JL777 is the biggest scammer around.
The amount of BTC gathered for BTCD/superNET/NXT-assets issued by his gang is just horrendous.
And the feeling is like everybody is waiting for the miracle tech to come out if not today, tomorrow for sure.
Just scan the thread for BTCD, its almost, almost, almost there. It's finally coming together ... stuff like this on whatever page you chose.
But for BTCD in particular, I see the same wallet used for many months now. I know there is beta around, but it's almost 2 years since BTCD was born. 2 years.
Aaaand there is new project born every day. And new ones after that. And some ideas for a brand few new ones in the middle.
Two years almost passed. InstantDEX is almost ready? Have you heard about IGUANA, the most best thing since sliced bread? Let me tell you all about it. IGUANA solves all the problems with Bitcoin and then makes you a sandwich. IGUANA is a platform that unites all the cross-blockchain platforms so you can have more platforms. |
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clearly
I don't know about you, but when I went to grad school they told me I had to provide evidence and documentation to support statements like this, but maybe you missed that day? P.S. Here's a question that none of you trolls have ever been able to answer: If Evan "clearly" planned the early emission problems and mined tons of Dash early on, then why is he still working on the project? The price of Dash exceeded $11 each in May 2014...if Evan deliberately planned some elaborate scam, then why didn't he sell everything in May 2014 and just disappear, like so many other coin developers have done? If Dash's instamine was a deliberate scam executed by Evan, WHY is he still working full time developing the coin? Why? Yes, clearly: The official story about the instamine: https://dashdot.io/alpha/?page_id=118Evan Duffield:“The instamine happened, there is no one disputing that fact. The crypto-community at large has no problem with this except a few who think it’s trying to be hidden in some way. In fact, I posted multiple times about the instamine, first in “The Birth Of Darkcoin” which is an account of the first few weeks of the launch and the mistakes that were made. Recently I also posted spoke about the Instamine in the video “Virtual Corporation”, which considers the concept that it might have been key to Dash’s success, which I believe now. It’s also important to note, I was working a very challenging day job while working on Dash in the first couple weeks. So I was putting out fires every night, keeping tabs on Dash during the day (while getting yelled at by my boss when he caught me a couple times). Eventually I quit when I got Dash stable enough to work on full time and decided I really wanted to explore what I could do with it. “ ---------------------------------------------------- The evidence shows that it was a planned instamine. This wasn't mentioned before launch. The features of this coin were also not public at launch. => Nobody was really interested in the coin at launch, making this instamine more a kind of "stealth launched premine". In my books, that's a scam. Please don't ignore the facts: 2013-12-29: 2 guys from Hawk Financial Group, Evan & Kyle, are asking on the Bitcoin Dev mailing list for "1 or 2 really good C++ programmer that is familiar with the bitcoin internals to help with a for-profit startup". They are planning to build a unique coin that is "not just a clone of the original Bitcoin code" but in stead "a merge-mined altcoin that will provide a very useful service to the whole crypto-coin ecosystem". They claim to have "detailed plans on how to implement it". 2014-01-18 There were some issues at launch, so Evan said he would postpone the launch and would "definitely not" launch it in the next hours. But he did launch it a few hours later. 2014-01-19 Xcoin was launched. This was the emission in the first 72 hours of the coins existence:  This was the emission of the first 100 days:  At the moment, there are about 6 million DASH in circulation. There would be 84 million Xcoins eventually. Note that in the first hour, 500k Xcoins were mined. Due to the "quick fix" of the bug, not many people expected to launch a few hours after Evan said he would "definitely not" launch in the next hours. 2014-01-19 Right after the launch, there were problems with the window binaries. Evan clearly was mining right from the start, as he offered 5000 Xcoin as a bounty for compiling the binaries. 2014-01-20 After the emission of almost 2 million coins, Evan said that "now that everything is stable, I'll be posting later about the vision of this project and milestones!". Up until this point, only the "X11 hashing algoritm" was a known feature. According to him, it was "time to move on to actually implementing what I set out to do". 2014-01-22 Evan releases his plans for XCoin. At this point, more than 2 million coins were mined. Xcoin rebranded to Darkcoin and eventually to DASH later on. --- Later on, some contradictions surfaced: * The emission schedule changed multiple times. The latest we heard is that the number of coins would be somewhere between 14 million and like 16 million DASH. * Evan said that this project was just a hobby he started while working on a full time job and coded Xcoin in a weekend. * Evan claims there were hundreds of miners if not thousands when Xcoin launched. Recent investigation showed that there were 124 IP addreses that were mining at the start. 115 of those addresses where Cloudhosting and Dedicated Servers, 9 of them seem to be private/users.106 of them were at Amazon AWS and Microsoft Azure cloud instances. --- Conclusions: *Evan isn't acting alone, he had/has a team behind him right from the start. It wasn't a hobby. he had a plan to make a profit. *Evan had plans for his coin right from the start, but didn't release them until after the instamine *1.5 million coins were mined in the first 8 hours. Most of these coin ended up in his (and his friends) hands. It's very likely the 500k in the first hour were only mined by him with cloudhosting services. *He lowered the emission later on, to make his relative share of coins bigger. How can this be all an accident (like Evan is always saying) and NOT be intentional? Evan was looking for c++ devs for a "for profit startup" at the end of 2013 for the launch of an altcoin. Question: QUESTION: >How can you make a profit by launching an altcoin (and be sure to be able to pay your devs)? ANSWER: >by premining and/or instamining. How he did it is pretty easy: *telling people the release would definitely not be in the next couple of hours and after that do launch it a few hours later *buggy windows binaries *a "code error" creating 500k coins in the first hour, >1.5 million in the first 8 hours. => DASH was clearly a planned instamine (and thus a scam)This expose of Dash's fully intentional instamine has been noticed by some very famous and influential Bitcoiners! Tone Vays, Tuur Demeester, and Jeff Garzik are no longer buying the "accidental bug due to incompetence" narrative and now suspect fraud. |
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Its really amusing to see people use the word premine with regards to Dash, it immediately and effectively shows that they
either dont know the meaning of the word premine or it demonstrates they fell for the FUD that trolls are trying to use with regards to Dash.
Darkcoin / Dash never had any premine, you can look that up in its blockchain or check on coinmarketcap.
Anyone claiming otherwise is quickly loosing reputation.
To d-trix : its perfectly fine to use google and find out what exactly premine means and how its different from instamine.
The difference between a premine and instamine is semantics--they both result in an undue amount of coins being concentrated in a few hands, so to suggest an instamine is more palatable than an instamine is ridiculous. It's like telling a diabetic that the soda they drank (labeled sugar-free) is fine to drink because the bottler used corn syrup--this type of deception in advertising is common among scams looking to play semantical games rather than acknowledge that they know exactly what people want or are trying to avoid and are using the misrepresentation to fool people into buying their product.  |
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Now lets see who makes the first big buy, support building at 0.002.
I am sorry I cannot do that but if you want to do it obviously you are free to do so. The trend broke too badly. It is time to go down and rest a little bit (some months) and probably go its long term resting state value of 0.001. I will try not to raise my avg cost by buying over 0.001. But it's hard, because the bullish fundamentals are unchanged and "Monero under a dollar what are you waiting for!!!"  The drop is probably due to the alt sector collapse, not anything specific to XMR. We just got hit hardest because we were up the most. With XMR firmly in 3rd place, total alt volume is more than half of BTC's. That trend indicates future volatility may give back what the present has taken. Strap in and enjoy the ride!   |
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Thank you so much for so elequently proving my point. The point is people really hate Paycoin, but they feel Darkcoin-rebranded-as-Dash is the scammiest shitcoin of all time. That's impressive. |
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You were asked to stop being a child. And you were asked respectfully. Why does an intelligent man need to include this ^^^ kind of pathetic nonsense?
This 'earning respect' thingy. Lecture the readers a little more, on how this works for you.
The problem is that SafeCoins are not actually safe. They use the radically transparent Bitcoin blockchain, so they are easily traceable/linkable/public. Doesn't that defeat the purpose of using an encrypted P2P VPN like Maid? It would be like requiring Paypal to use TOR. Bad idea. |
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You don't control the narrative. The facts control the narrative. Ouside of the Evan's Gate cult of bagholders, Dash is widely despised, being infamous for its profitable and conveniently "accidental" instamine, bad crypto, and snake oil HYIP marketing. You cannot rewrite this history. The more you try, the more we laugh at you. Keep laughing. You have no facts. I'm presenting the facts on my website. All you guys have is spin, innuendo and persistence. Keep laughing. If someone would like to see the facts, see here: www.rebelmouse.com/dashnation. And if Dash is despised outside of Dash Nation, it's only because you and your merry men have controlled the narrative about Dash through your "facts". No more, amigo, this ends today. Dash's massive instamine is a historical fact. You may try to spin that damning fact with some ridiculous narrative about how it wasn't really that bad or whatever, but nobody outside of your insular cult of Duffield sycophants believes that. Topic: [POLL] Scammiest shitcoin of all time https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1001604.0DARKCOIN - 5 (6%)
DARKCOIN REBRANDED AS DASH - 38 (45.2%)
CLOAK - 5 (6%)
NEUCOIN - 1 (1.2%)
DIAMOND - 1 (1.2%)
PAYCOIN - 34 (40.5%) This is only the beginning. Just wait until Dash Classic sponsors an episode of DailyDash, oops, I mean DailyDecrypt. Then you will learn the true meaning of narrative control.... |
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You don't control the narrative. The facts control the narrative. Ouside of the Evan's Gate cult of bagholders, Dash is widely despised, being infamous for its profitable and conveniently "accidental" instamine, bad crypto, and snake oil HYIP marketing. You cannot rewrite this history. The more you try, the more we laugh at you. |
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I'd agree if BTC wasn't such a mess.
But it's not. Segwit + Core conceded on hardfork = 3.2mb blocks in 2017. I see the glass ceiling on BTC price coming off mostly around 8-10MB blocks, so it's not far off. Maybe this ALT bloodbath is caused by something brewing with Bitcoin we are not privy too. Maybe this ALT bloodbath is only the other side of the massive ALT pump we saw starting in late Feb. Regardless, I'm loving the gargantuan XMR volume! This "BTC is a mess" meme is increasingly hilarious as the price stays above $400 (indicating $1 million/day fiat inflow). This "BTC development is stagnant" meme is getting beyond ridiculous, as development is accelerating and the pipeline is stuffed with new features. The funniest Buttcoiner rationalization I've seen of this is the idea all that new tech is solely to benefit Blockstream (and thus doesn't really count). Don't try to confuse the Buttcoiners with the fact of rapid development readily verifiable on github, because their minds are made up! |
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I don't care how long you are here...you are acting like a little kid. Just stop with that, please (did you read that....i said please?). I'm not trying to insult you (like you do), but just pointing you for your actions. It's childish, unprofessional and certainly not friendly. And not only in this thread, but in all the threads where you fud the projects down. Why not just respect everyone's work and their effort in the crypto world? We are all trying to do something what Satoshi started. And that is being a part of a new environment which could change the world and it's creepy establishment.
So again, as adult to adult....can you please stop your nonsense? I would highly appreciate it and i think most of us would.
Thank you!
I came to this thread to ask questions but instead of substantial, responsive answers there was only defensiveness and hostility. You spend way more time gossiping about *me* and critiquing my motivations than you do discussing my concerns about MAID. Respect is earned, yet you seem to believe it's the default position. Nope, that's not how it works. Many projects richly deserve FUD. Neucoin. Paycoin. Cryptsy. Dash. Maid. Don't like that? Too bad. GFY and CRY MOAR PLZ.  For reference, here is my first post on this thread, which still hasn't been properly addressed: Is there a another thread for SafeCoin?
How are SafeCoins made safe and anonymous?
Ring signatures? CoinJoin? Something new?
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Coinsource.com only awarded one of those, and it was to Evan. Now they are defunct and the web site is gone.
The runners up are illustrative #2 developer of saffroncoin #3 developer of stealthcoin #4 developer of magi #5 developer of vericoin It doesn't get any better from there. Wow, CoinSource certainly is an authority on quality altcoin development. I'm baffled why the site would fail, given such great content. No wonder the DashHoles are so proud of Evan's award. /s "Welcome to Dash - The only alt judged superior to saffroncoin!" |
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With this evidence alone I am not sure why he is not sitting in jail yet.
It is baffling how Evan and THE DARKCOIN FOUNDATION INC get away with blatantly ignoring/violating all manner of state/federal laws and regulation. I wonder why Evan doesn't put up a warrant canary, to let his users know if he's acting under duress via a National Security Letter or whatever. There's a good chance Darkcoin is another one of the FBI's projects wherein they team up with mobsters for a common goal (usually to knock out some from of competition). IOW, Dash is probably a honeypot being used to promulgate bad crypto, so whichever TLA is shielding Evan from prosecution can monitor various DNMs and unsavory individuals. |
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Coinsource.com only awarded one of those, and it was to Evan. Now they are defunct and the web site is gone. But let's not forget what a scam pushing POS that place was: Evan won the 2014 Coins Source Proof of Honour (POH) award.
And Obama the Scourge of Libya won the Nobel Peace Prize. At least people GAF about that. Coinsource is a "sponsored content" outfit that isn't even profitable because they have no traffic; it's a poor man's CoinTelegraph. So they are reduced to pumping Dash and Neucoin. Dash  |
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