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2221  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 07, 2013, 06:46:14 AM
can you tell me how long the riser cables should be for a 6x gpu rig? i can find 19cm, 24cm, 30cm and 54cm.

Absolutely - it's answered in the FAQ tab on the product page:

How do you get the risers to reach the cards in 6 and 8 GPU setups?

We recommend 30cm XL powered 1x->16x risers from Buy-A-Hash to reach most of the cards. For cards that are further away, 1x->1x unpowered risers can be daisy chained, as long as the daisy chain is terminated by a 1x->16x powered riser. Unpowered risers can be purchased from Buy-A-Hash or on eBay.
2222  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 09:27:10 PM
i suggest to add some powered riser cables. would have had add them to my order but now i must look somewhere else for them.  Undecided

We're working on our accessories section:)
2223  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 09:24:25 PM
Wich Board is capable with 8 gpu's?

There are several 7 and 8 slot boards, but they are quite expensive and more geared towards our HFT customers than our mining customers. It seems that 5 and 6 GPU motherboards are the sweet spot at the moment:)
2224  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 06:26:07 PM
How much space is there between the cards ?

Will 2.5 or 3 slot cards fit with enough space to keep them cool ?

Yes - typically a 2.5 or 3 slot card has better cooling than a 2 slot card (bigger heatsink), which is also nice, and there's enough space between the cards to cater to that.
2225  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 05:27:59 PM
Just a thought, but you should probably get a different color background for the pictures.  The aluminum on white background makes it very hard to see the details of the rig itself.  If you use a color background then it should bring out the rig a little bit more.  If you use a black background, the PSU and the cards will be much less of a focus of the picture, but the aluminum rig will stand out really well. 

Yeah - photograph is not my strong suite;) I've got a professional product photographer who's coming to visit in December, and will probably be re-shooting everything.
2226  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 11:11:16 AM
I think we have the wrong frame in mind...

For my suggestions I have the 4 GPU Vitalia in mind. https://openrigs.com/image/cache/data/IMG_3078CFLATFS-1200x900.jpg

Also the psu should fit on the left rear corner as it fits on the right fine? Looking at the pic there is enough space (granted thats the 8 gpu model).

Just replicate what you did for the right for the left? It should not add that much extra cost?

Or am I missing something?

Is it not possible to do what I have in mind for 4 gpus? Do you only have enough space on the 6 and 8 gpu setup?

That said the 4 gpu option should be short enough. If you can throw up a pic of the 4 gpu frame that would put my mind at ease.

If you haven't guessed already I'm trying tp stick with stock and not use adapters and/or extenders at all other than the pci-e risers.

NB: Due to the shortness of the gpu frame does the mobo sit close to a corner? Thus you don't have enough space for a psu in the left corner?

You'll have to excuse my crummy pre-editing photography, but this should illustrate it better: https://i.imgur.com/ky8VkG5.jpg

See how the PSU sits over the motherboard crossbar? There's no way the motherboard and the PSU can co-exist in the same space. I don't have any pics of 4 GPU setups at the moment, but I think it would be super tight. On the 6 or 8 GPU setup you have more space on the sides of the motherboard...but then the issue is the PSU crossbar. If you check this pic: https://openrigs.com/image/data/IMG_3094FLATF.jpg you will see that there are two vertical bars the PSU screws into, not just the corner bar. At the bottom of the pic you can see how that vertical bar comes into existence - we'd need to cut completely custom pieces of aluminium (outside of our standard measurements) to do that.

Just FYI, though, on 4 GPU setups you can get away with the connectors that come with the PSU - you'll only have 1 or 2 PCI-e adapters on the PSU anyway (maybe 3 if it's a 1250W+ PSU), so to power the 3rd and 4th GPUs you will have to use the Molex adapters that come with your PSU (for powering hard drives, optical drives, etc) and connect them into the Molex adapters that come with your GPUs. You can't get away from that, but all the bits come with your hardware. Using the Molex adapters like that gives much further reach than the PCI-e adapters that come with your PSU, and you'll have all those bits anyway.
2227  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 07:32:44 AM
If it helps its about $60 for a 64gb memstick.

Also as an option you might want to add the 2nd psu to the left corner? So leave it up to the customer to decide and put up with the cooling drawback but able to get away from using extenders.

That said I should be fine for a 4 gpu setup cable length wise for my PSUs.

The Arianna grid has holes drilled on both sides (as the next one in the row needs to bolt into that anyway) - the other problem that I forgot about is that a second PSU won't fit behind the motherboard, so no dice:( We'd have to fundamentally redesign things to make it longer and add another vertical PSU support bar, and then it would ruin the ability to stack horizontally in the Arianna grid.
2228  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 07:18:45 AM
Its working now.

What does the 4 gpu standalone look like? Is it exactly like the 8 gpu unit just with 4 gpus? or are the holes drilled to space them out more?

Also where does the hdd/ssd or are you expecting customers to run a USB memstick on one of the usb ports?

I plan to run windows for (under)voltage support, so will have to use hdd..

It's shorter - spacing between GPUs is the same. Dimensions from the product page:

Assembled Dimensions:
  4 GPU: 70cm wide x 35cm long x 50cm high
  6 GPU: 90cm wide x 35cm long x 50cm high
  8 GPU: 110cm wide x 35cm long x 50cm high

We're busy designing a hard drive tray, waiting for various trays to arrive from one of our suppliers in China. Based on that we will add it as an option. At the moment most of our clients are using USB memory sticks (or letting the drive balance precariously on a corner:-P)
2229  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 06:23:40 AM
Thought as much.

Ok you are keeping the same design for all rigs?

Running 1 PSU for PC+8 GPUS?

Talk about stressing out a osu Smiley

I just plan two run two PSUs, cable legth shouldn't be a problem.


Btw can't seem to click on login or signup if they're indeed links...

Whoops! Fixed that, the currency switcher div was overlayed over everything when we switched to mBTC (I should not be allowed to dabble with CSS;)

You can definitely use two PSUs, they'll just be mounted on the side per the pics:) There's some good info in the FAQ tab on the product page about using Molex extenders to reach the GPUs at the end if you need.
2230  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 06:15:58 AM
I just accesed their site fine from Australia 1 min ago...

Any ide why the PSUs are stacked rather than mounted via the 2 rear corners?This will help with cable management...

True, but it would increase costs (additional PSU support bar), plus 85% of our customers only run 1 PSU, and lastly it creates what we consider to be an undesirable heat map in both a Giorgina stack and a Arianna grid.
2231  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 06:15:47 AM
Need 2 shipped to northern ireland, can you PM me a quote please Smiley

Also... your website is suffering some issues I think. I can't seem to access it.

Yeah - we had an outage in the data center for about an hour at midnight GMT +2:) The site is working 100% now - you can add the items to your cart, then view your cart and use the shipping estimator.
2232  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 06, 2013, 06:09:33 AM
Wondered about the black friday sale extension too.

Ah sorry man - it was a 1 day only special:) We'll be running some specials in the new year, but our Bitcoin Black Friday special was huge, so we'll probably have to wait till next year's Bitcoin Black Friday to repeat that!
2233  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 05, 2013, 11:25:15 AM
also is there a chance you will make a rig that supports 2 motherboards?

and i would also suggest putting a small mounting plate behind the motherboard for the psu instead of using up precious space for gpus.

We answer both those questions in the FAQ tab on the product page, here are cut and pastes for your reference:

Why is the PSU mounted on the side and not underneath the GPUs?

We spent a lot of time testing various configurations, including rear-mounted offset PSUs, vertical motherboard mounting, and so on. We ended up with the following requirements: PSUs need to be easily accessible, all configurations need to support dual PSUs, and regardless of whether a single PSU or dual PSUs are mounted there should be no airflow deadzones or unusual hotspots. The design we ended up with met all those criteria.

Can I mount two motherboards on an 8 GPU rig?

No, it's not designed for that, and that sort of configuration doesn't promote easy access to hardware and doesn't fit in with our design ethos. You are, of course, welcome to do whatever you want with it once you receive it, but we'd prefer customers opt for a horizontal row of Arianna grid frames than trying to re-purpose something.



Bottom line: we're not in the business of shaving a few cms off for a design that puts out customer's equipment at risk. Our designs are reasonably space efficient (I mean, look at their dimensions, it's barely a footprint) whilst ensuring excellent airflow with no dead zones.
2234  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 05, 2013, 06:09:00 AM
I'm definitely open to suggestions, but for us to have a US reseller it would need to be someone we could trust not to mess up (too often), and we'd still have to incur the cost of some serious lawyering to govern the agreement. We do have it on our radar, amongst other things:)
2235  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 05, 2013, 04:42:05 AM
Wish you guys were in the US.  Shipping time and cost is way to much.

We are looking at it - unfortunately the costs of operating in the US are exhorbitant; moulding costs, warehousing, staff costs, and a metric ton of costs associated with compliance. We'd end up having to nearly double our price to be profitable. The only benefit would be faster shipping to our US clients.
2236  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 04, 2013, 06:39:04 PM
These look pretty nice! I wouldn't want to stack them though since heat rises Smiley

We've done quite extensive temperature measuring on stacks that are 5 rigs high, and we've noticed that the heat dissipates as it moves upwards. The cards at the top of the stack are definitely running several degrees warmer than the cards at the bottom, but there are two ways around that:

1. Reduce the ambient temperature of the room. The cards will naturally sit at 73° C - 77° C without any additional airflow; lowering the temperature of the room by 10° C makes any rise (of several degrees) inconsequential.

2. Bolt a box fan at the back of the rigs higher up in the "stack" (or use a free-standing, extendible floor fan) to move the hot air away from the rigs.

Edit: just to reiterate, this isn't some magical solution that removes the need for temperature monitoring and additional fans, it just reduces the box fan requirement for most of the rigs and lets you focus on cooling down those that are running unacceptably hot rather than wasting power on myriads of fans.
2237  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 03, 2013, 04:58:15 AM
I believe they are from South Africa! I managed to pull the trigger on a stack-able one.

Spot on - thanks for answering the question in my absence:)
2238  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 01, 2013, 07:31:49 AM
Peace of mind?

Sure, but we've got to remain cost competitive too, and the ATX standard allows for ISA-size cards to be supported entirely by their front bracket, so card manufacturers build accordingly. Take a look at the steel bracket and how it's attached to the card - that is NOT coming off purely by the weight of the card. We run Arianna barebones grids where the GPU is just bolted on to the square bar at the top, and we've never had a card fall off or break or be damaged. The additional GPU cross-bar on the consumer-grade design *is* for piece of mind:)
2239  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 01, 2013, 05:50:26 AM
I see the support for the other end of the motherboard. That should work.  I have different length graphics cards in one rig.  I use a piece of ready rod with a piece of cpvc pipe over it placed under the card about a half inch behind the pcie connector.  My setup works, but it looks poor and is a pain to move. I am open to other options, but I want to be sure before I spend the money.


Also in the standard case the pcie slot/ motherboard supports part of the load.

See what I said to aznatama above - the cards are solidly supported on that front bracket, and in all our testing we haven't found a reason to support the GPUs at the back just yet:)
2240  Other / Archival / Re: [ANN] OpenRigs.com - Aluminium Frames for Mining Rigs on: December 01, 2013, 05:48:40 AM
Mobo has rear supports (not sure about center).  You can see these in the other pics that don't show the mobo.
https://openrigs.com/image/data/IMG_3082FLATFS.jpg

As for the GPUs, it does appear that it only hangs/is supported by the L-bracket.  Most GPUs have braces along the edge that's bolted to the L bracket, so this should be sufficient.  Especially since it's mounted vertically instead of horizontally (in standard case).  However, I would do something to brace the rear of the GPU as well.  (hard to provide for this due to different length cards).

Thanks so much for answering this whilst I was asleep! You're spot on - motherboard is supported on the front and back. It's hard to create tons of airflow and still have a full ATX plate, and it's also reasonably unnecessary for something like this in my experience:)

On the GPUs - we've played around with rear braces, and after a ton of fiddling we just keep finding it unnecessary. In our last test, we plugged and unplugged the DVI cable 500 times over a week without touching the card to brace it, and it was 100% fine. The GPU clips at the bottom held it in place and provided the additional support. I think the DVI port will wear out before anything else happens from a structural perspective.
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