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1481  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero (MRO) Speculation thread on: July 16, 2014, 12:27:03 PM
IMO the main drawback of Monero is their team because they often complain about other coins’ faults instead of making their own coin better.

I've never complained about any other coin's faults except one post ages ago in response to AlexGR. Your post is baseless - please link me to these posts where the core team is complaining about other coins' faults.
1482  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 16, 2014, 10:20:59 AM
^It's not in the blockchain. Did you sent it with the current version from the OP? If you are using two months old version it's not sent with the right fee.

this is now the third question...


bitmonero wallet v0.8.9.65()
[wallet 48x3TT]: transfer 0 <address> 0.5 bd293b224aae610835121bd2b0b5887e45ada62da4ff3467bfc3f65a42652d21
Money successfully sent, transaction <8baa3bc1d4d98a3c83c5d8872ab26152a280115d8f77823a76333ff6e50463f4>
[wallet 48x3TT]: refresh
Starting refresh...
Refresh done, blocks received: 502                              
balance: 863.279174920000, unlocked balance: 862.932625920000

is the version too new?

No, it's too old (despite the misleading version numbers). You're using a version of Monero that is NOT by us and is not up-to-date with the latest changes. Only use versions of Monero linked in the OP or on the website.
1483  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Monero Development and Engineering on: July 16, 2014, 08:49:12 AM
Database

That's a pretty good topic. What kind of database is being worked on? How does it differ from bitcoin?

It was mentioned in the latest Missives #6: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=583449.msg7847156#msg7847156

What I gather from browsing the commits is that the work is focusing on refactoring to support a clean database interface, and then one or more databases will be supported.

Spot on - first we refactor in order to support arbitrary key-value stores, and then we test a bunch of them for our specific workloads before deciding on one. Initial candidates that we liked out the box were hamsterdb and rocksdb. There's been some contention as there is a slightly faster version of hamsterdb available for purchase (you get the source, but can't distribute it), and some people feel its very availability would compromise the integrity of Monero. On the other hand, rocksdb (a leveldb fork by Facebook) breaks leveldb's Windows compatibility.

So everything is staying as loose and generic as possible, and then we'll plug into as many embedded databases as we can get our hands on, and publish the results. I'm also terribly keen on having a full node pushing the blockchain on to Tahoe-LAFS and having a bunch of independent nodes "verify" that the correct blockchain is being pushed, partly for fun, but also because I can envision some interesting use-cases where applications can be built accessing the blockchain on Tahoe-LAFS instead of locally (lightweight clients, for instance).
1484  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 15, 2014, 09:53:43 PM
Dev team, could you guys give some more info on who wrote the whitepaper review? http://monero.cc/downloads/whitepaper_review.pdf

It just says that he is a mathematician, but that's pretty vague and it would be great if we could look at some of his research/other papers.

I can't find anything about him on google either.

It's a pseudonym (hence the shout out to Emmy Noether), same as Satoshi Nakamoto, same as Nicolas van Saberhagen. If he chooses to identify himself in future that is his prerogative, but he has asked to remain under the guise of a pseudonym at this stage.
1485  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 15, 2014, 09:51:48 PM
Sorry for the question, did not find any answer, i'd just like to change my wallet password, is anyone could give me the command line to do so ? Smiley
I guess, when you use the .net gui, it is in the debog windows, right ?

It's not possible at present, we will add this functionality in future:) If you want to change your password right now you have to restore your wallet from the 24 word deterministic seed, or you have to create a new wallet and move your funds over.
1486  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) on: July 15, 2014, 07:13:15 PM
Your paragraph about cryptonote, if it's accurate, explains to me why that coin would be flawed to someone who values better anonymity. I'm very sure 90%+ of people do not know that.

It's not correct, as pointed out above.
1487  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) on: July 15, 2014, 07:10:32 PM
Maybe I'm missing something, but could someone explain to me how working with the Monero devs could improve anonymity? Didn't Monero implement CryptoNote which utilizes ring signatures? Meaning that it merely clouds the sender because you know it is one of X people involved in the signature? And the anonymity relies heavily on the members involved in the ring signature. My understanding of the Zerocoin implementation is that it would be cryptographically impossible to link the sender to the receiver.

Ring signatures add obfuscation, but there are already stealth addresses, so even without ring signatures tracking a transaction is extremely difficult and requires reducing the anonymity set in other ways until you've figured it out.

If you're particularly interested, our annotated version of the CryptoNote whitepaper is a good starting point. Section 4.3 describes the unlinkable nature of transactions, ring signatures are only covered in 4.4, and 4.5 shows how they're combined in a standard transaction.
1488  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Official Anoncoin chat thread (including history) on: July 15, 2014, 07:05:55 PM

Maybe I'm missing something, but could someone explain to me how working with the Monero devs could improve anonymity? Didn't Monero implement CryptoNote which utilizes ring signatures? Meaning that it merely clouds the sender because you know it is one of X people involved in the signature? And the anonymity relies heavily on the members involved in the ring signature. My understanding of the Zerocoin implementation is that it would be cryptographically impossible to link the sender to the receiver.


No details for now, it is a possibility, because obviously there has been contact between Meeh and Monero dev.
Every communication and cooperation can only help ANC,
so I welcome this opportunity!
We need to involve as many people as possible, buyers and friends of the Anoncoin with Zerocoin implantation.

Yeah - this is about identifying areas where Monero and Anoncoin are trying to accomplish the same thing, and instead of duplicating effort we're finding ways of only developing something once so that both Anoncoin and Monero can use and benefit from it:)
1489  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 15, 2014, 03:47:29 PM
This is very preliminary, but it appears to me that all anonymous coins based on unlinkability will not be able to solve the very serious double-spend threat.

If am correct, this is both a major and fundamental solution for longest chain rule of proof-of-work, but it also eliminates unlinkability as a anonymity solution.

Sorry to say. Again this is preliminary, and needs more peer review.

I'm reading the paper but am not seeing why their time stamp idea would eliminate unlinkability, you really need to explain your point AnonyMint, because you're being so vague here.

Also the programmed self destruction does not really apply to Monero. We have both a smooth emission and immortal supply.

(I still maintain the lowest block reward should be at least 1 monero.)

There is some talk around that (a minimum block reward) - tacotime had some nice thoughts around it, and we'll wrap it up into a proposal and put it out there soon-ish.
1490  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 15, 2014, 03:23:27 PM
its pretty difficult for a whole community to be racist
what about germans?

Well you know what they say..."Alles hat ein Ende, nur die Wurst hat zwei"
1491  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 14, 2014, 09:45:19 PM
also - why is the content of the web page not open to public so we can contribute? some dev wiki perhaps? (the design, or at least ideas, could be kept separate ...you could at least create a thread about it here, see what people come up with)

A mediawiki site for XMR would be awesome.  You would have to hand out credentials, to keep out the bcn/drk trolls, however.

We made a decision a while back not to fiddle with mediawiki's ACLs and try and control who can edit things.

Instead, the knowledge base will be published to github, and anyone can edit it by submitting a PR (pull request). This will make editing the content super easy, and since PRs are public and easy to look at, if we reject any it will be easy to see why.

I hate committing to time frames because we're working on so many things and because we all have to do stuff-to-earn-money as well, but this should be ~2-3 weeks away from done.
1492  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 14, 2014, 07:02:34 PM
I have carefully read all 500 pages of this thread and I can't understand why so many people here hate members whose native language is not English?

Yeah, I’ve also noticed it. This indicates some "racism" here, although I always thought that digital currency should have no restrictions in this sense, as it is international.

Please list some specific examples of that in this thread. Don't make claims without backing them up with specific examples.
1493  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 13, 2014, 09:41:19 PM
Guys - I'm delaying publishing this week's Monero Missive as I'm just waiting on confirmation of two things, and I will only get confirmation tomorrow (especially since Germany won, which throws everything out of the loop;) Tomorrow's Missive will be backdated to today as it will be this past week's Monero Missive. Thank you for your patience with this!
1494  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 13, 2014, 08:21:16 PM
btw: i am strictly against any kind of rollback. this would open the doors for much more evil (eg police requests for rolling back fraud transactions - they dont care about volume lost)

Agreed.

I can't imagine a situation where we released, say, RC2 of a specific version of Monero and it caused a bunch of forks because it was poorly tested and we had to roll back. The consensus network is the consensus network, and we have to make changes that the consensus network agrees with or else they will reject it. We also have to be cautious and make changes in a way that will remain compatible with the majority of the network so that miners can choose whether to adopt the changes or not. 99.9% of the things we want to change can be done via a soft fork and not a hard fork, so that plays quite well into that approach. I'm a big fan of soft forking over hard forking, if that wasn't apparent.
1495  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 13, 2014, 08:45:50 AM
We are already talked about the prospects of Monero here, you should read carefully the thread.

I think that the main anchor for Monero is a team of devs, which is incompetent and lazy.

Thanks for providing me with my Sunday morning chuckle:) Nobody has ever described me as being incompetent or lazy (except when it comes to the gym), so it's good to know that I have someone who can psychoanalyse me and the rest of the core team from a handful of posts on Bitcointalk, and come to conclusions that not even our wives/girlfriends/mothers have reached.
1496  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 13, 2014, 08:42:36 AM
Why was coin's name changed  from MRO to XMR?

To comply with the ISO 4217 standard.
1497  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 12, 2014, 07:52:55 PM
The devs have themselves to blame for this. There have been several people who volunteered to build a modern user friendly and highly polished website and have been refused in this thread. With the devs saying "we don't need help, we are almost done with a new website...". Yet weeks go by and nothing happens. So I think taking responsibility for over promising or under delivering, which ever it is, would go a long way to dispelling the "dev's can't deliver" observations.

Please link me to the first post where we "refused" help. You claim that "weeks go by", so I'm assuming you'll link me to a post in May, or maybe early June? Without that your post is supposition and nonsense.

We have only said "don't stress, we are working on it" when we have been...well...working on it.
1498  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 12, 2014, 02:00:01 PM
how about the coin feature?

Which feature are you asking about?
1499  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 12, 2014, 12:42:44 PM
I heard there are very few people who really do mine Monero and the developers use botnet to maximize the demand for this coin. Is it true?

If I (or any one of us) had control of a botnet we would not be involved with Monero. Trust me. We would have much more profitable fish to fry (ransomware, for instance).

Yep, the Monero team is just a bunch of hackers. In fact, the way they do things, the prospects are dark for this coin.

Your first sentence is 100% right. Per SearchSecurity:

'Eric Raymond, compiler of The New Hacker's Dictionary, defines a hacker as a clever programmer. A "good hack" is a clever solution to a programming problem and "hacking" is the act of doing it. Raymond lists five possible characteristics that qualify one as a hacker, which we paraphrase here:

A person who enjoys learning details of a programming language or system
A person who enjoys actually doing the programming rather than just theorizing about it
A person capable of appreciating someone else's hacking
A person who picks up programming quickly
A person who is an expert at a particular programming language or system, as in "UNIX hacker"'

Your second sentence needs a specific example. What is "the way they do things" that leads to these dark prospects? Be specific, vague hand-waving and ad hominem attacks don't make your point.

I'm disappointed in Monero’s  debs. They could at least make a nice website, since they compete for the title of best developers.

We don't have any Debian packages out yet, so I'm not sure how you could be disappointed in our debs.

To your second point: why would a competent core team, skilled and knowledgeable in C / C++, low-level networking, mathematics, and cryptography ever be capable of being excellent web developers? You seem to conflate the two.

Them, best developers? For God’s sake! A better title would be the best scammers. IMO, that’s all they deserve.

Now now, my little troll, let us not use such turns of phrase for fear this god you mention smite you for your blasphemous words.

I think it would be tough to argue that we're anywhere close to the level of Mark Karpeles or pirateat40 or, say, the developers of a cryptocurrency with an 82% premine.
1500  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 12, 2014, 09:08:57 AM
I assume you failed to read the what I posted, for you seem to be unaware that (both I2P and Tor admit on their websites that) timing attacks only require the adversary to control the router at the entry and exit nodes in order to de-obfuscate the IP address of the user (or possibly for several users in the mix depending on the statistics of the low-latency and other factors), there is no need to invade the user's computer with exotic methods you mentioned.

Even hackers can (sometimes) do that.

I understand perfectly well what you've written, you seem to have misunderstood what I have written.

First, stop talking about Tor, we've never mentioned Tor and have already rejected it due to the problems inherent in their use of exit nodes.

Now: we are not aiming to prevent a global adversary who has control of all bordergates at all ISPs on the planet from making assertions and observations. We are aiming to prevent them from knowing whether Monero is running or not. They can know I2P is running, that we don't care about, but they should not be able to determine whether the person is harmlessly browsing the web or using Monero without completely decrypting the traffic.

Why? Because a wannabe "global police state" (without resorting to the exotic methods I described) cannot possibly go after millions or billions of people around the world under the control of regimes and governments of all sorts merely for using a communications system.

I understand that you're a terribly clever and opinionated chap, but don't assume that we are ignorant or that we have made decisions for no good reason. I2P integration is for a specific purpose and is fully expected to be a stopgap if its shortcomings are not solved over time.
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