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1441  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 21, 2014, 10:12:25 PM
same old :

"Pump and hold high " thing that always goes on with a "CPU" currency.

it all started with Litecoin and then there were many others, a few people have a bunch because they are utilizing a "tech insider" gimmick.

i won't call it a "scam" its just not successful that's all.

can only hold off the free market for so long fellas, meanwhile who's out first?

: D

It's not a "CPU currency", and efficiency improvements in the PoW hashing were open-sourced and merged into the main repository as they were done. Remember: we are not the CryptoNote developers (who wrote and released the PoW in the CryptoNote reference code), and we would simply not have had the time or ability to make optimisations to the PoW fast enough to give us an advantage.

We are completely, 100% donation supported. None of the core team members have any noteworthy stash of Monero, otherwise we'd just be covering costs ourselves instead of raising funds through donations.
1442  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 21, 2014, 09:46:08 PM
Stop dodging the point...

Your copy pasta ring signatures from bytecoin cause significant exponential growth ontop of a regular blockchain. It's the same reason the coin you cloned yourselves from ended up dying. Monero's been around for how long? And has how many users compared to bitcoin?

The fact you guys spam this entire forum wth your threads about how Monero is superior, when it is arguable the one of the most flawed coin in existence, is absolutely ridiculous. You know as well as I do until you fix this issue your just dragging people into a ticking timebomb.

The growth is not exponential, it's linear. Currently the blockchain grows at about 10mb per day. Do the math.

And you're acting like this is a problem we need to solve today. It's not.

Additionally, a larger blockchain is a tradeoff that users running full nodes will gladly accept if it means enabling a degree of privacy that Bitcoin simply cannot provide right now.
1443  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 21, 2014, 09:20:41 PM
How many moneros is mined so far? How many will it be in the end? Can someone please show me a graph of this?

As pointed out, you can see the current distribution on the MoneroChain graphs. Here's the expected graph (which it's roughly conforming to, as expected) -

After 2 years:



After 8 years:

1444  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - A secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency on: July 21, 2014, 07:11:01 PM
I had seen some comments saying XMR was having a hard time a few weeks ago with large tx because of all the inputs.

Here's a big one:

http://monerochain.info/tx/3bdad88fbb2fef74bd7491ea75cc4eff5ca5e6e04ffd2be7aa7b6dcf3bd0089f

201 inputs for a 5,000 output. So is it safe to say this is no longer an issue?

The number of inputs used in a tx depends on the unspent outputs available to you (ie. what's been received and is in your utxoset). A lot of this came from pools sending dust to miners, but that doesn't mean that it couldn't occur if you charged 25 XMR for something, and 200 people bought, and then you wanted to move the 5k XMR somewhere. It would require 200 inputs.

Bitcoin can have similarly large transactions, and that's just fine: https://blockchain.info/tx/574d77eb277974ca1000b154023940c3e366d5bf4dd06b7fe3b0d92eea54e0c7
1445  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 21, 2014, 06:30:53 PM
Also Monero is larger than the scamcoins, and thus needs more threads.

Yes, won't take long before monero's blockchain size is as large as every other coins' blockchains combined!

Its funny how everyone in Monero blaintent ignores the fact it can never go mainstream

It's funny how Bitcoin has an even worse problem - their blockchain is about to break 20gb, it'll never go mainstream.

Quick, everyone, sell your Bitcoins and buy Monero, our blockchain is only 750mb!
1446  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 21, 2014, 10:36:30 AM
Sure it does. It's 6 months experience for free Tongue Thanks.

Also, how can I help getting monero on track? I'm planning on donating to the dev team when I get some spare money, and the Portuguese mnemonic word list is already under way so I don't know what else I can do...

At the moment most of the urgent / important tasks require an in-depth knowledge of cryptography and C / C++, but as things progress there will be things that will come up that will require more soft skills. As and when we have a need for that we will definitely put the call out:)
1447  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: -> Monero Community Hall of Fame <- on: July 21, 2014, 07:11:04 AM
Just wanted to pop in and thank everyone for their donations:)

If there are any donations that have to be confirmed, just ping me and I can confirm receipt in the donations wallet. Thanks again!
1448  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 20, 2014, 10:48:21 PM
I don't like the forced meme approach either. Even altcoin observer should be renamed monero observer judging by the amount of discussion towards other innovative developments relative to monero circlejerking.. Granted it's not the same pump n dump long con by a team of marketers we've seen before; Fundamentally the coin (protocol, really) is strong, a  diamond in a sea of shit, and this time we have cabal (perhaps soon to be monero foundation) of intelligent old heads.. 'bitcointalk allstars', silver stackers, TA tea leaf readers you know the kind of people that have latin in their signature giving it the thumbs up, creating 5 or 6 seperate threads,) boosting trade volume, pulling strings here n there. along with usual brown-nosers following the crowd because it pays to ultimately. I personally am invested for a while, but I've seen time and time again a dangerous insinuation that monero is the one and only and it reflects badly on the speaker,

Speaking as one of the Monero core team members, I can assure you that there will NEVER be a Monero Foundation. If anyone starts something like that we will reject it, and will encourage the community to reject it.

We are rapidly moving towards a point where every effort - including features, peripheral projects, lobbying, and so on - will be completely community driven and community funded. We will have no control over this process, other than to influence a particular goal by means of weighing in rationally on debates. Any shilling we try do for a particular idea or goal will quickly be called out. We will not have "our" way - the development and future of Monero will be as decentralised as the cryptocurrency itself.

I'm impressed by that post fluffypony..

Thanks:) We are strong believers in doing things in a way that is sustainable and holds value for Monero in the long run, so it's really just an embodiment of those values.
1449  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 20, 2014, 02:59:48 PM
I would like to use monero with tails.

Is there an ELI5 already?

Tails already pushes all traffic through Tor, so it should "just work". If you're not terribly comfortable mucking around in the command-line, I'd wait a little until we have a release with more ELI5-level usability:)
1450  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 20, 2014, 02:56:33 PM
Does Monero require the whole blockchain to detect double spending and the balances of accounts?

Yes - it builds up a set of already spent key images from the blockchain. You can't know the balances of anyone else's accounts except yours.
1451  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 20, 2014, 10:52:33 AM
I don't like the forced meme approach either. Even altcoin observer should be renamed monero observer judging by the amount of discussion towards other innovative developments relative to monero circlejerking.. Granted it's not the same pump n dump long con by a team of marketers we've seen before; Fundamentally the coin (protocol, really) is strong, a  diamond in a sea of shit, and this time we have cabal (perhaps soon to be monero foundation) of intelligent old heads.. 'bitcointalk allstars', silver stackers, TA tea leaf readers you know the kind of people that have latin in their signature giving it the thumbs up, creating 5 or 6 seperate threads,) boosting trade volume, pulling strings here n there. along with usual brown-nosers following the crowd because it pays to ultimately. I personally am invested for a while, but I've seen time and time again a dangerous insinuation that monero is the one and only and it reflects badly on the speaker,

Speaking as one of the Monero core team members, I can assure you that there will NEVER be a Monero Foundation. If anyone starts something like that we will reject it, and will encourage the community to reject it.

We are rapidly moving towards a point where every effort - including features, peripheral projects, lobbying, and so on - will be completely community driven and community funded. We will have no control over this process, other than to influence a particular goal by means of weighing in rationally on debates. Any shilling we try do for a particular idea or goal will quickly be called out. We will not have "our" way - the development and future of Monero will be as decentralised as the cryptocurrency itself.
1452  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: rpietila Altcoin Observer on: July 19, 2014, 08:29:42 PM

Great link !  Cool

I just wasted 2 hours of my time going through all StorJ traces on web... I'll just skipe that... I mean 10000BTC IPO. It's not even funny, it's ridiculous.

I think there is a great need for decentralized encrypted storage, but it's sad how greed destroys good ideas.

If you're interested in decentralised, encrypted storage, then Tahoe-LAFS already does this. And if the communications layer is an issue, it's perfectly usable over I2P. The only thing Tahoe-LAFS lacks are dead simple end-user tools, but they'll come with time. The core of the application works, and it works extremely well.
1453  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 08:20:55 PM
There was a lot of similar hyping of dogecoin as it crumbled.

And that's what statements like that say to me - the coin is crumbling so you are trying to hype up momentum.

It may have worked in the past but its old tactic now, and has the opposite of the desired effect.

Yopu should not invest in an asset without ample reading first. Then you will make your own opinion.
Leads: Risto Pietila, Gregory Maxwell, Peter Todd, dga, devtome, Tacotime, the OP with the various monero missives...

Yes, I had no opinion of Monero before but now my opinion is that if I want to use it, now's not the right time because it appears that there is a social engineering attempt taking place to boost confidence in it.

You're being disingenuous - a statement of fact is NOT the same as hyping or a social engineering attack. Like I said, do your research, talk to Gregory Maxwell (Bitcoin core developer) or Risto Pietila (a large Bitcoin holder) and let's touch base in 6 months.
1454  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 08:16:10 PM
The Bitcoin API is fundamentally broken - it assumes that the daemon (that syncs up to the network) and the wallet are the same thing.

A) Please demonstrate

B) If A can be done, Please explain why it is a problem

Otherwise it is just FUD

Hrrrrrmm. My point is clear and obvious: https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Original_Bitcoin_client/API_Calls_list - a daemon that syncs up to a p2p network should have no concept of "balance",and should thus not be able to "getbalance". Seriously, this is not FUD, and the fact that you don't know that the Bitcoin core team is working on this as a matter of importance is quite shocking. Have you seriously never used any of Bitcoin Core's RPC calls? These are extremely basic concept we're discussing here.
1455  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 12:39:44 PM
I heard Monero devs are spammers who are creating many threads to cover up some funny businesss. Is it true?



i seen one guy in here mention how he created over 60 accounts to "Like" his coins he posts here..

i find it doubtful he was the only one doing it out of around 340,000 user accounts here.

if you believe pretty much anything here your a gullible idiot soon to be broke lol

edit:
i have not seen as many topics compared to the NXT or NEM spammers though.. they are waaay worse i think.

edit2:
i looked at first couple pages and i see what you mean now.. they have LOOOOOOOTS of monero topics lol
so.. it's on my avoid list LOL

smooth is one of the core team members, he was being sarcastic.

The reason there are "looooots" of Monero topics is because there is intense interest from those that are knowledgeable about cryptocurrencies, as well as those who were early Bitcoin holders. It would likely be in your best interest to investigate why this keen interest exists (and the subsequent threads) before "avoiding" it.
1456  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 11:50:17 AM
When we can get the final GUI wallet?
Same question. Grin

The underlying Monero software is still in alpha, so anything "final" is still many moons away:) In the meantime, the two GUI wallets listed in the OP are the ones that we recommend:

GUI
All current GUIs are in beta, but they should be fairly safe to use because they work through bitmonerod and simplewallet from the main code.

1457  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 19, 2014, 10:50:58 AM
What does last message mean?


Unless it causes your daemon to crash or shutdown you can ignore errors like that - they're typically errors caused by errant peers.
1458  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Complaints about amount of Monero posts thread on: July 19, 2014, 09:52:17 AM
not compatible with bitcoin api. Unless it wants to form its own niche isolated community - go for it.

Adoption will be for the minority and hence will die. Be realistic.

And yes number of threads is stupid. Keep all your shit inside a single ANN thread like everyone else.

The Bitcoin API is fundamentally broken - it assumes that the daemon (that syncs up to the network) and the wallet are the same thing. Monero has complete separation of concerns, which means you can run multiple wallets on the same physical computer, and we can have a CLI wallet (simplewallet) and a wallet for automation (rpcwallet) as separate binaries. In this respect alone, Monero has a superior architecture to Bitcoin's, although this is something that Bitcoin is hoping to do in Bitcoin Core at some stage.

Over and above that, the Bitcoin API assumes that you have a single wallet with multiple addresses, and all the RPC calls are designed to check addresses and so on. This is fundamentally at odds with Monero, as you don't have multiple addresses (it uses stealth addresses, effectively) and have to track payments using a payment ID. This means that sending funds is similarly different.

At any rate, I fully agree with drawingthesun - merchant systems will adapt to accommodate the Monero RPC API, just as major altcoin exchanges have done so.
1459  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 18, 2014, 05:11:37 PM
just chimed in, interesting project.
yes, sqlite is nice code but not suitable to store a blockchain.
beside speed, predictable fetch timing and execution costs when chaining key requests are vital and a big plus for kv.
while leveldb is well known, there are many other kv's available to choose from. good to hear you are using kv.

btw, is there any running testnet accessible for external devs?

There's a testnet that's WIP at the moment: https://github.com/mikezackles/bitmonero/tree/testnet - there's still a bit that needs to be done before it's merged in, but it'll be quite soon as there's stuff that needs testing on testnet.
1460  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 18, 2014, 04:51:34 PM
Test the performance before deciding discart. My company is developing a CAT:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer-assisted_translation
Our searches in database are extremely heavy.

Don't worry, we don't write things off just because it appears ill-suited at first glance - it's on the testing list:)
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