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1501  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 12, 2014, 08:28:22 AM
The socialism doesn't need to be omniscient. Fact is we can study history and see what happens every time. The masses ride the socialism all the way down until it comes after them too. Then war and chaos. Then reset.

Implementation is critical (damn don't I know that!), for without it then all the theory and talk is useless. And it is true that the coin with the best implementation will be able to cherry pick the best features from other coins, but only if some aspect of its inertia prevents it. I think without a holistic design early on, there is a risk for Monero either to fall into the inertia trap that Bitcoin fell into, or not reach critical mass. I will not try to quantify that risk, as I don't want to take a political position. I shared some technical analysis. I do desire the NSA-blinded coin (don't you?).

Design parameters can be important if they impact exponential differences in adoption rate, as that impacts the prior paragraph.

Integrating I2P or Tor with a coin isn't a bad thing, it can supplement any other anonymity added.

The design goal of I2P integration isn't to solve the "perfect anonymity" problem. It is purely to obfuscate a single node's traffic so that an attacker with complete control over that node's Internet router has no clue whether Monero is running or not. To that end, using something like I2P is advantageous (over using our own obfuscation such as RC4 (like Skype) or DNS tunnelling) as it means an attacker is at best able to determine that I2P is running, not what I2P is doing.

Of course, someone like the NSA may have methods of remotely accessing RAM of a running system, which means they can access unencrypted data in-RAM. They could also have all sorts of arcane tools and exotic hardware for breaking various encryption algorithms. No amount of cleverness from our side is going to fix that.
1502  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 12, 2014, 08:16:52 AM
The boogeyman is not likely to kill us any time soon.

Maybe sooner than you think. We would do well to act quickly. I may disagree with anonymint on some points, but i think we would agree on this one.

I do agree that there are fundamental improvements we can make over a (relatively) short time frame. It is important to note that I am in South Africa, and much of the core team are in Europe and some in Canada - and that's just the core team, all others heavily involved notwithstanding. We're not completely out of reach of an adversary with global reach, but it is unlikely that they can touch all of us at the same time at this early juncture, which means there is *some* time to play with when solving this extremely hard to solve (and practically unlikely) threat.
1503  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 07:51:13 PM
Done!
Wow, it went through fast!  Is XMR designed to be faster than BTC for basic transactions such as this one?

In a sense - the 60 second block time means that it becomes part of the recipient's utxoset quite quickly, but if want to be absolutely assured that the network is in a state of consensus and you are in agreement with it you'd want to wait anything from 10 to 20 confirmations.
1504  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 07:32:42 PM
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I don't know what I just read but I want the drugs you have;)
1505  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 07:04:24 PM
To which address should I send some of my XMR?

The donation addresses are in the OP:

Donations for general development

XMR:
Code:
46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8aHYjA3jk3o1Bv16em
viewkey: e422831985c9205238ef84daf6805526c14d96fd7b059fe68c7ab98e495e5703

BTC:
Code:
1FhnVJi2V1k4MqXm2nHoEbY5LV7FPai7bb
1506  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 07:03:06 PM
I am confused by this statement. Assuming the dev team has full time jobs and works on XMR part time as stated above (and is obvious from the slow progress), how are donations going to help them spend more time on this? Lets say you get $50,000 USD worth of donations. Spread among 5 or 6 people, that is going to be around $10,000 each. No way does that help anyone quit their day job to spend more time on this. So I would love to donate and help accelerate XMR progress, but I also want to understand how a donation is going to help accelerate progress before I do.

None of us have full-time day jobs - all of us have companies or we work for ourselves or we work as freelancers. I'll let you reboot your logic train from that starting point.
1507  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 04:36:27 PM
I consider kickstarter not as donate source, but as PR's one. Very strong source, see 'salad' link mentioned above - you can google it and discover ***explosive*** WWW effect for FREE.

How many time did Salad Man spend to post kickstarter request? Compare it with much more time you spend to develop your funding system.
Compare audience involved!

Note, FUNDAMENTAL & open source anonymity is the trend novadays. Only you as dev team leader can initiate Monero's kickstarter PR company. Just think about... Wink


We'll definitely bounce some ideas around to see if we can use Kickstarter effectively as a PR tool - thanks for the idea!

On the topic of dev team leader - I'm certainly very vocal, but there is no "leader" among us. We all contribute in different ways, and we are careful not to do anything in a way that is not transparent (stuff gets discussed at GREAT length on IRC:) Just wanted to make sure that nobody mistakes me for leading anything, I'm just one of the core team.
1508  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 02:56:14 PM
Need your opinion, community members... I've just thought about kickstarter,

https://www.kickstarter.com/

Is their politics compatible with Monero goals particulary and crypto-currencies in general?
...
after this one:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/324283889/potato-salad?ref=nav_search

(since kickstarter's politics had been changed indeed, that's why potato salad became possible at kickstarter)

what about Monero @ kickstarter?

Work is progressing quite rapidly on a funding system where everyone will be able to fund specific features / tasks. The main reason for donations at present is to enable us and some of the other devs to allocate much larger blocks of time to Monero on an ongoing basis until that system is ready to go:)
1509  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 12:43:32 PM
I agree! Fluffypony - what are the BTC/MRO donation addresses for the dev team? They're not in the OP (maybe consider adding them?). My bad, they are in OP and I didn't notice.

I'll try to get a donation drive going on reddit and contribute what I can myself.

They're in the OP in this section:

Donations for general development

XMR:
Code:
46BeWrHpwXmHDpDEUmZBWZfoQpdc6HaERCNmx1pEYL2rAcuwufPN9rXHHtyUA4QVy66qeFQkn6sfK8aHYjA3jk3o1Bv16em
viewkey: e422831985c9205238ef84daf6805526c14d96fd7b059fe68c7ab98e495e5703

BTC:
Code:
1FhnVJi2V1k4MqXm2nHoEbY5LV7FPai7bb
1510  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 11:21:21 AM
tried.. was no help
its been more than 24h now, like a week

im tired of playin so small coins out.
thas why i gave the wallet to u if it can help the coin anyway to solve this

Ok - we'll investigate it and see what's potting. In the interim, let me know if you need me to send the 1.6 XMR to you from my wallet so that you have it.
1511  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 11:14:47 AM

i dont care about the coins, u can keep them
when this tx failed issue hitted it prevented me doing any transactions: i had my "full" balance" and i was not able to get any coin out.
i had to play long time to move any coins out, doing same transfer again and again like 100 times to get not tx failed
i dont mean dust here. i was struggling with all the coins i got out, it was not easy, not just the remain 1.6, they are heavy  stuck
 

It's because your balance was made up of lots of small transactions coming in, so when you tried to send it out, the tx size was too big and the withdrawal failed.

Think of it this way, you have a friend who is going to give you 10kg of weight with his bare hands. Imagine he gives you one 10kg metal block. This is easy to hold and move around because it's just one big lump (one transaction).

Now imagine he tries to give you 10kg of fine sand (e.g lots of little bits that together make up 10kg). You can't hold this in your hand or move it around very easily. You can only move as much of this sand as you can fit into your hands at once, so it takes you many handfuls to move the 10kg (many transactions). Does that make sense?

yes, if i see tx size error message, but i did not..

i got only error message like : tx failed, key images allready used

Then it means you've already tried to create a transaction with the utxo's. They'll fall out the mempool within 24 hours, and you can rebuild the wallet cache to give you access to the utxo's again.
1512  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 10:50:16 AM
Could you list the forum id of core team members?

It's in the OP and in the first Monero Missive: (in no particular order) - tacotime, eizh, smooth, fluffypony, othe, davidlatapie, NoodleDoodle
1513  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 10:35:36 AM
ok, its kind a scary when this hits you if u have lot of coins
i was able to transfer most of my coins to another wallet
i had to make payment like 100 times per transaction to get it passed


When what hits? If you have a lot of coins you will, by definition, be able to consolidate them. You were able to move ALL of your coins and are struggling with the final 1.6 XMR. As mentioned, I will gladly send you 1.656924551683 XMR and I will reclaim it from the wallet you have sent me when the fee changes later on.
1514  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 10:32:46 AM
Let's look things in the face, currently no coin can compete Bitcoin.

Monero could, but their devs are too sluggish, and the same time do not accept neither help nor critics:

You're not in #monero-dev on IRC to discuss the dev status of Monero, so it's hard for me to accept that you have any insight into the state of Monero. We are far from sluggish. All 7 of the core team members have to earn a living. Each of us can spend 14 hours a day on Monero, but then we need to draw an hourly payment to cover our time. Thus far we have received well under 1 BTC in donations, a trivial amount. That means that all of our time and energy and effort is completely self-funded.

We are not sitting on mountains of XMR, this is a cryptocurrency that had an absolutely 100% fair launch. Given the current size of the cryptocurrency market I would argue that it had an even fairer launch than Bitcoin, because tons of people jumped on and mined it from day 1. We had no opportunity to amass any sizeable amount of XMR. Thus, our entire effort is a labour of love and completely because we want to see XMR become useful. If we get no donations, we are unable to spend large amounts of time on it, and we will have to peck away at it in our spare time. If you want to see less "sluggishness" (i.e. more time allocated), then donate. If you haven't donated you have absolutely no room to manoeuvre in this discussion.

- 32 bit obsolete Windows binaries are still sticky at 1st page this thread

The embedded database work is in progress (see: https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain), and the existing binaries work with PAE on, so "obsolete" is not the correct term. The 32-bit Windows binaries work. The PAE requirement is noted on the OP now.

- No newbie's FAQ is ever made (who can support price if not newbies?!)

Feel free to make one, or feel free to donate to free someone's time up so they can make this, but this is not at a stage where it is newbie-friendly yet, and is in such a state of flux that this would be a complete waste of effort.

- Official site has still html markup errors.

Official site is being replaced, so this would be wasted effort. Even so, HTML markup errors are rather irrelevant given the state of browsing in 2014 - virtually all the sites on the Internet don't comply with the W3C's markup validation, but render just fine.

- There is no special man to answer newbies questions here officially from face of Monero team.

With the aforementioned donations, it's enough to cover 1 day of a "special man" sitting here and answering questions. If you want that to change, donate.

- Even missives come with 1-2 day delay. This delay is more important than it appears, because time regularity of Monero missives is the ONLY thing Monero devs promise us.

See above. But over and above that, the Monero Missive is a weekly update. There is no fixed day that it comes out - it can come out any time from Monday to Sunday, but there is one a week. If we skip an entire week then your "1-2 day delay" would be valid, else go back and confirm that from the first Missive there has been 1 a week.
1515  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 11, 2014, 10:15:26 AM
Yes, this is freaking out fucking big PR problem, that Windows 32-bits binaries http://monero.cc/downloads/monero.win.x86.latest.zip (0.8.8, updated: June 11th) run out of memory without official notice.

It's not a PR problem, I think you're misattributing what "PR" is. This is alpha-level software that requires a technical person with the ability to enable PAE to run. Eventually it will exit the alpha stage and be beta-level software with decidedly more usability (including bandwidth and memory requirements).

Per the discussion on #monero-dev we will add a note to the OP that 32-bit binaries are not recommended and they require PAE.
1516  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 10, 2014, 10:10:09 PM
ok, no trust in this coin anymore
my message deleted:
A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

Quote
this coin is full shit and dead now
i lost every fucking coin in my wallet!!
somebody else spent those, cant use them anymore.

move on, dont lose your time and money


i moved to freshcoin

We don't control what the mods do. Promoting another coin in someone else's thread a big no-no, though.

I grabbed your wallet, you have a metric ton of small inputs. I understand it's hard not being able to withdraw your 1.656924551683 XMR, so if you can pm me your address I will send you 1.656924551683 XMR from my wallet and I'll keep your wallet to withdraw the dust at a later stage when the tx fee has reduced.
1517  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 10, 2014, 07:47:57 PM
BLA BLA BLA

Prime example of how not to promote another coin Smiley
Move on thanks

i wlii give my wallet to devs
they can keep the coins if that will help to solve this bug.

Feel free to PM me the details, or send it directly to dev@monero.cc, or hop on to IRC (#monero-dev on Freenode), or PM the Monero Bitcointalk account, or send the details to the moderators of the /r/monero sub-reddit. It's practically impossible that you have lost coins unless you have forgotten your wallet password and don't have your mnemonic seed.
1518  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 10, 2014, 04:20:14 PM
I don't understand why the developers made integration with i2p. IMO, it is expedient, because CN technology ensures the safety of coins at a high level

It's the last little bit where you want to mask your traffic to the point where an attacker with access to your router can't even determine that you're using Monero. The CryptoNote protocol is VERY easy to detect in its current form.
1519  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 10, 2014, 12:18:16 PM
We should avoid techno elitist attitudes. 

The fact the current CN code demands a 64bit system because it handles data inefficiently and clumsily.  This is embarrassing for Monero, and certainly it's biggest current flaw. 

Insulting the end users does not help the problem, and might damage the reputation of the currency.

The 32 bit thing is embarrassing. Also never insult the end user.

This needs to be fixed. Are any of the Monero developers able to fix it?

I know not everyone follows the conversations in #monero-dev on Freenode, so to keep everyone in the loop: work on this is already progressing. You can follow the progress by checking tewinget's databasing branch: https://github.com/tewinget/bitmonero/tree/blockchain
1520  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [XMR] Monero - Secure, private, untraceable cryptocurrency - Now on Hitbtc.com on: July 10, 2014, 12:17:01 PM
Guys, I don't understand why Monero has 1135 votes on Hitbtc, but it is available to exchange now. How did this happen?

That was easy. Creators of the Monero bought "the place"on the exchange for its coins

Actually we weren't pushing hitbtc voting at all, most of the core team weren't even aware of their posts in this thread, and next minute they just went ahead and added us. We haven't paid them anything, as I'm sure they will confirm.
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