Wait a minute, why would they have bought and held for long term any kind of cryptos in the first place?
They are just intermediaries between the exchange on which they buy and liquidate coins depending on the order received at the ATM, even assuming each of those would get more than 10k a day which is highly improbable they would still need to hold at any time more than 50 million in assets at any time, and they would keep adjusting those as the orders flow. They are just munching on fees, they don't have to stock up on anything, if they want to invest they could do that with a separate business but not throw operational funds at that.


This one might be indeed, maybe some secret headquarter in a penthouse in the Bahamas also?

After we have battled the pandemic and not gone extinct, survived the great toilet paper shortage, and managed to survive without cooking oil,  surprisingly we here in Europe haven't yet frozen to death, we have been able to avoid eating our pet hamsters, managed to survive another wood, lumber and coal shortage, seems like even the egg crisis will go away and despite the fears of bankruptcy and recessions the EU economy is still growing (inflationary adjusted), how could one that has witnessed all this fearmongering and all the experts predicting a billion crises feel?


How do you deal with earthquakes? Besides, do you have any source for that increasing number and frequency?

https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/earthquake-deaths?time=1950..2017
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/decadal-deaths-disasters-type?country=~OWID_WRL
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/economic-losses-from-disasters-share-gdp


Look from all angles:
https://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/revenues
- it went down 5% compared to 2021 but it's still 5% bigger than 2020 and 30% compared to 2019.
Leaving aside the lockdowns in China, there have been already signs immediately after the launch of the 14 that a lot of users will simply not upgrade just for that, iPhones are optimized to run easily and no 13 users are experiencing any hiccups so a lot of them are deciding to upgrade less frequently, my father is still happy with his first one, an xs and doesn't plan on ever changing it unless it breaks.
Apple will need to adjust its business model, this is not 2014 anymore when you could double specs in two years.

I don't get it.
There are hundreds of ads for call center jobs, for virtual assistants, if you accept the job wouldn't you at one point still have to provide them all the data they ask for, phone, skype, email, name? The guy seemed legit, you said no, he said ok and that's it if his target was to gather your data he would have probably insisted, and furthermore, probably had made a far more attractive ad and offer, right?

That being said, ..., how did you end up applying for..
before I could get the job?

This is starting to get ugly for Kraken, one small step at a time
- 30 million fine which is easy to pay but a huge chunk of revenue and customers gone
- IRS  again filing for a court approval to check the user's finances and tax liabilities
- exiting Japan and now Abu Dhabi

The surprise came from Coinbase, as they obviously are going to be next and they are already on the offensive, but there was one tweet from Armstrong and one tiny phrase that caught my eye:
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/1623459203150131201


And it immediately backfired 

I don't think it's really accurate or fair to split them like this.
There is a group here that is interested only in bounties and that isn't making a single post outside the bounty section, all they do is post their proofs and sometimes argue about not receiving payments, they don't interfere at all with the other discussions in other boards. I think those are not doing any harm at all, as long as you have the altcoin section on ignore you will never know that they exist, so I actually have nothing against them at all.

The most troublesome are the ones that enter bounties that are required to make posts on other boards, often in areas where they have almost no clue what they talk about since most of them are not actually dealing with bitcoin at all but most with ETH or BNB and their tokens, so they don't even know how bitcoin works. These indeed, are really annoying, especially when they use translation and don't bother to read replies or go into necro-ing 5-10 years old topics. This is a different thing, but it's not only related to bounties, the yobit spam is proof every campaign bad managed can trigger such an issue.

So, maybe three kinds of?

Oh god! This shit is going out of control, just when it seems as it stopped for a moment there you have another one going bankrupt who owes money to a company that just filed fro bankruptcy, Gemini will have to cough another 100 million to bail out Genesis again just two days after the first batch.
How, just how do you burn 500 million dollars? How the hell do you manage to waste $100k for each installed BATM?
From the filling seems like they haven't paid a lot of shop owners for the rent, maybe? I see a lot of names there are for sure gas stations and chain stores.

Not sure how this work but why is every state listed there in the creditor matrix, taxes?


It's because of the risks involved, you might have a gang buying 50k of BTC, grab the coins and then blow the ATM and there you have it, and nobody is ensuring these at the same rate as banks do. Plus, a lot of them are really cheap stuff, not even close to the normal level of protection a normal ATM has, I saw one of those getting refills and I could probably bend the inner case with a simple crowbar in one swing.

You contact
- domain register, Namesilo,  abuse@namesilo.com https://www.namesilo.com/report_abuse.php
- actual hosting company OVH GmbH,  absue@ohv.net https://www.ovh.com/abuse/#!/
You file a complaint with your local pice or cyber crime branch if you have one.

That being said don't expect anything from that domain registrar, maybe the host will do something but that depends on what proof you send them and your overall story. For the police, they will have to act, but with the time it will take they would have already abandoned the website by then.

Revenge, or blodbath!
The millions of people that died because some idiots believed in his utopian dreams had been enough to make his soul never find peace.


Have you watched the Jetsons? I'm still waiting for that flying car that was promised to the whole world before I was even born, yet all those promises are broken, all the IoT hype has died down, and suddenly because they've managed to create a piece of software that can write articles from data inserted in by humans, thus making the same human errors we again are facing another cultural revolution.
Replace workers? There is already a dire need for high skilled jobs in the EU , with as many as 700 000 need in Germany alone, every company has a problem getting employees and people are speaking about a 50% cut in the workforce.

Automatization of repetitive tasks in which humans are prone to mistakes is one thing and it has happened since the industrial revolution centuries ago, having an AI tell people what to do and how to do, that's different thing


Shh, don't tell commies that.
They might remember how they built their commie societies in the first place. You take everything from the rich guys, which means money, business, properties, and things like..capital..ups!!!

The title was about a person investing, it didn't claim if everyone had invested everyone would be rich making millions!
If every single person in this world would have invested 100$ in Bitcoin in 2009, then the market cap of Bitcoin in 2009 would have been 800 billion or twice what it is now and nobody would have made a penny as it is!

Microsoft IPO raised $61 million, so do the simple math from that, not on how much could have been achieved if everyone would have poured $1000.That's how investment work, some invest and get profits, and some stand on the side and criticize things and try to find a flaw 30 years later, nothing different from Bitcoin.

If it's bonzertrade(dot)com you can be sure you got scammed.
A wordpress website without any info, fake reviews with pictures grabbed all over the internet, no adress, no contact, unable to spell even basic words like "METHODLOGY", but at the same time claiming shit like this:




Yeah, lol, ToS is just laughable, put there only to scare people off if they dare to confront the ones running the scam.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Know_your_customer
Basically, you'll be handing some scammers your documents and most likely you're not going to see a penny back.

So, how did you end up on this website?

I'm pretty sure you've got scammed by a fake support account here, isn't it?
How did you contact Luno to help you recover your funds?


There was no system glitch.
The scammers saw that you weren't going to deposit more money for your fake gains that never existed, other people weren't depositing either and so they decided to shut down that site and open another one to lure more victims.


I suppose it's Hantec Markets, it's a FCA licensed fx broker, but I wonder if  OP used them and not a clone, or someone impersonating them, it wouldn't be the first time:
https://www.financemagnates.com/forex/regulation/fca-issues-scam-warning-as-hantec-markets-site-cloned-twice/

Who said anything about sending Italy to the stone age?
Nobody is banning any card payments it just raises the limits on how much you Can pay with cash, and Italy had lower limits than a ton of countries in the EU.

Italy had a limit of 2000 that Meloni wanted to be raised to 5000, Germany, Denmark, Austria, and Ireland have no limit, and what's more interesting, there is no limit in Sweden either, which is the most cashless country in the world right now.
https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/cash-payment-limitations.html

This is simply astonishing, we're here on bitcointalk where we're supposed to talk about freedom of your personal finances and you're here criticizing somebody that wants to allow you more options for payment and no limits. How does this work?

Hmm, this line is a bit contradictory
Not a single business accepts Bitcoin but he did pay in Bitcoin, so they can still deal unless that host thing was also just extra, and the main fee was paid in cash.


I don't think it's ridiculous, it's the only way to fund that!
CAR doesn't have money to buy Bitcoin, funny thing, is they can't print money thanks to the CAF so their only way is to print virtual money and get real hard cash or coins in exchange for it. Either way, Sango is a failure.


This is what I'm asking, what was working alright since we had no news after the law made it legal tender but we had those two articles which I quoted above where it seems they've backtracked on that issue. Well, I do understand the lack of information, with the current situation as they are more interested in war and disputes than building something is no surprise the number of tourists is probably abysmal.

Exactly what I'm doing, not acting as a spectator and reminding people what kind of hyena is now spamming around here


LB was an exchange, not a marketplace, the two are completely different.
LB was used exactly because it was easy to deal with it, you would just look at the prices, decide from who to buy and which method, and at least here in EU with instant national transfers you could get your coins or funds in minutes and finish the trade.
That's why some don't get why other solutions are not getting traction, as the situation is now fewer people care more about privacy than about how fast and easy things can be done, that's why Bisq has dozens of traders and Biance p2p thousands.


Most likely.
https://coin.dance/volume/localbitcoins/ALL
Their volume went down as BTC went down, from the 45 mils a week to 6 mils a week, at some point maybe the profit from it simply doesn't make sense anymore and you're better off just quitting. Assuming they are getting 1% of all that volume it would be $3 mil a year, with 50-100 highly paid employees in Europe as they claim just the wages and taxes and rent would drive that to almost zero. If he's an early adopter probably he has 100x more than what would be left over a year stashed in BTC already.

Oh, nice one, you made me look over at the staff name, and that one does ring a bell

BITNAKA LTD
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/14170123/persons-with-significant-control
Mr Kendrew Greg
Date of birth
December 1991

BIT NOVA INC LTD
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/13759030/officers
GREG, Kendrew
Date of birth
July 1991

TRADENANCE LIMITED
https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/12005884/persons-with-significant-control
Mr Kendrew Greg
Date of birth
July 1980

I find it interesting there are 3 ponzi schemes (two which have already exist scammed) run by three Kendrew Greg with different birthdates.
What a coincidence!




What a coincidence! Again! 

What will happen if all countries ban cryptos and prices plunge to zero?
What will happen if Theymos is arrested and the forum is seized?
What will happen if Satoshi comes back and says this is Bitcointalk, not Altcoins talk, and trashes the entire section?
What if Musk decided that all those accounts involved in bounties are against the ToS and bans every single one that is caught spamming 100 posts a day?
How have 7 billion survived to date without bounties, how is the entire world still spinning around even if "projects" are fewer and fewer and the payments lower and lower? You have some really weird egocentric view where you think this is the only way for things to still go on and the only way for some people to cling to hope for the better and a "raison de vivre". Well, it's not!

As for how can people be aware of new projects, hmm, how many bounties has Satoshi run for Bitcoin? Has Ethereum also run a bounty here?
We have 398 pages of bounties, do you think you can make more than one page of topics of coins that are still alive out of those?
You see, anyone can fire one hundred questions just as you did, do you have an answer for all of them?!


Respect is earned, not given!
LE just to make sure:
A guy that wakes up at 4 am for the crappy low-paying job he has and does this every day without bickering once has all my respect, a guy that makes clicks 100 times a day and demands respect for that will not have any of it!

A lot of the guys active here in the mining forum, who actually own their gear?
But yeah, pretty obvious what happened, and sad that it's 2023 and there are still users falling for cloud mining scams.
I don't really want to sound harsh but how have you let this happen for so long and haven't learned that "mining" where you buy packages on shady websites that promise you great returns is not mining at all and just scams?

With mining is the same thing as with bitcoin:
Not your keys, not your coins. Not your miners, not your income.

Now, about the bolded part, we can already picture what kind of site that is, but do tell us, what's the name and adress?

I've once read that hyenas are very patient, seems like the humanoid type can't even half a day before trying to get a bone, even if the victim is still moving.
I knew the name looks familiar, no surprise:


The exchange with sockpuppets bumping a dead topic, a Fiverr presentation, and photoshopped pictures did I forget something?


It's not about exposure, is dying volume overall,  far more competition and getting things even more complicated is the fact that they were dealing in BTC only, buttimes have changed and more users with a ton of coins want to swap in every kind of token, not something they built their business for.

It's not Mods who have a say in this it's Theymos and the last time he touched this subject (as far as I know) his opinion was that even if we would attempt to cut on these kinds of trading happening on the forum they will just move over in private deals, so, there you have it. And from the number of accounts we run into every day that have changed from speaking perfect English over a long break of a few years to being active only on local sub-forums, I'm pretty sure a lot of them those deals are indeed not happening through opened topics.

Besides, when you say these harm Bitcointalk directly, so do HYIP schemes as obviously it's going to be forum members who get tricked but we still have a section full of them.

You're generalizing and this is never a good idea.
There are a lot of people from everywhere that don't have savings without being gamblers, the same thing is the other way around, there are enough gamblers who have more savings than the average non-gambler:
https://www.bi.team/blogs/dealing-new-data-what-bank-transactions-can-tell-us-about-gambling-behaviour/


Also, since you're a gambler yourself, does that mean you don't have any savings also?
Hmm, look who's calling the kettle black!