The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong. Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread? You are so silly. For example, if I point out the sky to you, and then explain that the sky is blue, this doesn't mean that I am the sky, right? In a similar way entropy expresses basics about complexity. But that doesn't mean that entropy is complexity, right? But go ahead. Knock yourself out (Sean Connery said that in "Medicine Man"... the Knock yourself out, part). Explain some more that entropy isn't complexity if you like. Lets use your own tactic... The dictionary defines entropy as: a thermodynamic quantity representing the unavailability of a system's thermal energy for conversion into mechanical work, often interpreted as the degree of disorder or randomness in the system. Entropy means heat/disorder/randomness, not complexity... therefore your argument fails and God does not exist |
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The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong. Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread? He's a broken record, eh? How about those wasps? I fucking love science! http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/scientists-watch-wasps-diverge-become-separate-speciesResearchers from Rice University have documented how as one species of fruit fly is evolving into two separate species that exploit different food, three species of wasp, which parasitize the fruit fly, are also splitting into six new species. This proves how as habitats become more complex, with increasing numbers of species present, it forms a feedback loop that in turn causes yet more species to evolve. I hope it's not a more complex species because that would contradict everything we know and we'll have to exterminate the species so no one will know that evolutionism is real. Sounds like they are saying 2 species of fruit fly + 6 species of wasp... that's a lot of evolution for a single container! |
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The fact that I don't know everything about entropy doesn't have anything to do with it. Why not? Because nobody but nobody knows everything about entropy. The things that we DO know about entropy show that nothing that is complex comes from something less complex without the help of something that is more complex than both.
BADecker, we had this discussion before and I explained in detail why entropy is not the same as complexity, and why what you just wrote is wrong. Should we have that discussion again, or just link to the relevant thread? He's a broken record, eh? How about those wasps? I fucking love science! http://www.iflscience.com/plants-and-animals/scientists-watch-wasps-diverge-become-separate-speciesResearchers from Rice University have documented how as one species of fruit fly is evolving into two separate species that exploit different food, three species of wasp, which parasitize the fruit fly, are also splitting into six new species. This proves how as habitats become more complex, with increasing numbers of species present, it forms a feedback loop that in turn causes yet more species to evolve. |
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aww man... i was gonna reply over there, but he locked it  Typical Christian... wants to push his beliefs on me without giving me a chance to respond to them... 1) Fact: Jesus never existed B) Jesus gave away all his money and possessions... he was nice to everyone... told nobody they would burn in hell... called the priests a bunch of money-loving hypocrites, etc Are you sure you are following Jesus there buddy? I'd bet you are following the love of money, like everyone else... exactly what the bible warned you about |
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why would I want to deny you your extra Heavenly reward for saving them, the reward the Father will give you
Ooh, nobody said anything about presents... Could you elaborate on these gifts that Father gives me? Saint Paul tells us that we don't even know what we will be like in Heaven. First Corinthians 3:14 says: If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. What? That's it? Just some generic "reward"?!? That's the best you got? That's worse than God's, "streets paved with gold", idea... which is a horrible idea to anyone who knows that pure gold is a very soft metal... I'd prolly be the mexican that God makes repave that shit every week That's what faith is all about. Surely, I would like to know more, just like you. But if it doesn't allow my faith to be as strong - since we can't understand what things will be like within the new physics of Heaven - I would rather have the stronger faith than more knowledge. At least Allah promises me 72 virgins... God only promises me gold... in heaven... but, if everyone has tons of gold... it's worthless, duh! What the fuck good is gold in heaven?!? Your God doesn't even now how to properly bribe a man! Everyone knows... real gods bribe you with Bitcoin! That's why I find every 666th bitcoin block... because I'm a true believer |
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Does it have to be mentioned again that there is no measurable evidence for religion/God?
yes , there is no god no heaven no saving by jesus.. we are in the real world not in a delusional heaven.. Ok, and yet you ask of community to provide one for you. So what do you want to hear. Now let me tell you what I want to hear: Give me PROOF and EVIDENCE that atheism(which you are so eagerly preaching) is ACCURATE and CORRECT. Just ONE proof and i will be the first one to became a true atheist. Atheism is not a religion, or a claim... it is a rejection of your claim that God exists Christians made a claim... "God exists, and he is just like is says in this book here"... Atheists read the book, and dispute this claim for lack of foundation/evidence It's as simple as, " We don't believe you"... what is there to prove? When you compare what makes up an Atheist with what makes up religion, you can easily see that Atheism is a religion. It is entirely possible that you might not understand, like it is entirely possible that you would lie. Why do you keep calling me a liar? (Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor) Since you seem to think you know more about Atheism than the Atheists... Pray tell us, what makes up an Atheist? |
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ok so god exist but we all have a different one and for some its many gods i think the most important thing is to always believe in something
Nice post by the way!!
And if I don't believe in anything i'm evil? When a serial killer is a Christian, and goes to heaven... And, a peaceful Buddhist monk, who spent his entire life helping the less fortunate goes to hell... God is the one who is immoral/unjust/evil |
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You guys should check out the sumerian mythology/religion.
A lot of our world religions have their roots in their.
Creation of the world and men, paradies, great flood and so on.
This is also no surprise because usually if a new dominant religion is emerging the old one will be partly assimilated to make the transition as smooth as possible.
Christians would be surprised if they read the bible and the Sumerian texts... it would blow their minds... Christians copied their entire tradition from somewhere... the texts are stolen from Sumerian and Jewish, the dates and festivals they stole are Germanic pagan... December 25 (winter solstice), aka Yule, had been celebrated for centuries before anyone invented the name Christ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/YuleEaster was also a pagan tradition... ever wonder what the Easter bunny and egg hunts have to do with Jesus rising from the dead? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ĒostreĒostre or Ostara (Old English: Ēastre, Northumbrian dialect Ēostre; Old High German: *Ôstara (reconstructed form)) is a Germanic divinity who, by way of the Germanic month bearing her name (Northumbrian: Ēosturmōnaţ; West Saxon: Ēastermōnaţ; Old High German: Ôstarmânoth), is the namesake of the festival of Easter.
Bede states that during Ēosturmōnaţ (the equivalent of April), pagan Anglo-Saxons had held feasts in Eostre's honor, but that this tradition had died out by his time, replaced by the Christian Paschal month, a celebration of the resurrection of Jesus. |
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BADecker, how about if we agree with you, will you leave us alone? Then go to the desert and be with God in silence.
Well, I only read first and this page. A lot of ignorance here. If memory serves me correct it is you - a thread starter. You then should leave us alone, correct? So what troubles you, what do you want? Surely there is purpose or agenda behind your thread, thread starter. When you start a thread then be prepare to face consequences  Ok, now seriously asking, what is your question or is there a problem in your heart? What do you want to hear. It's more that we deny the existence of something without any proof. It's like if you asked "prove me unicorns don't exist" well kinda hard you'll admit... *snip* Christian tries to use Logic and Gets Owned https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7XFJjrjZyk |
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why would I want to deny you your extra Heavenly reward for saving them, the reward the Father will give you
Ooh, nobody said anything about presents... Could you elaborate on these gifts that Father gives me? Saint Paul tells us that we don't even know what we will be like in Heaven. First Corinthians 3:14 says: If what he has built survives, he will receive his reward. What? That's it? Just some generic "reward"?!? That's the best you got? That's worse than God's, "streets paved with gold", idea... which is a horrible idea to anyone who knows that pure gold is a very soft metal... I'd prolly be the mexican that God makes repave that shit every week |
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Those of us who are intelligent, understand that evil does not exist... therefore we occasionally use symbols that you would deem evil, as a way to express our intelligence over silly superstitions
So nothing is evil, only your Will matters, and therefore you don't object to people burning children alive. So all the stuff you were saying about the Bible was just trolling, like I said, because you can't possibly object to anything in the Bible. Except for God. But it has nothing to do with Satan. Cool story. no nothing is objectively evil. Evil is subjective, depends on people, age, civilisation, society... Maybe one day burning children won't be considered as evil. After all only 600 years ago burning women alive was perfectly moral. So no nothing is objectively evil. Good point... The only ones in recent history who burned children alive were... Christians! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salem_witch_trials |
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wow dude I don't know where you're from but that's not the USA for sure...
Everything I said is true in the U.S., and if you don't know it then you're ignorant. You're right on the fact that women more or less win more often in case of a divorce and the fact that women can't be enrolled in case of war. But that's all, everything else you say is pure shit ^^
WTF are you talking about saying women are paid more and work less? That's totally false that's the other way around xD
It's illegal to pay women less money for the same work. So you're wrong, and you have no idea what you're talking about. http://www.bls.gov/opub/ted/2015/time-spent-working-by-full-and-part-time-status-gender-and-location-in-2014.htmThat's a U.S. government website. It says men work more than women. Men work more overtime, men work more night shifts, men work more holidays, men work more on their own birthdays, and men do harder work that is more stressful and requires more responsibility, skill, and education. Men also work longer careers without staying home for years at a time, and they retire later. So before you can show women getting paid less for equal work, first you'll have to find women doing equal work. Ahah! That's the worst argument ever xD It's not because it's illegal that it's not the case. It's illegal in Europe too but women still get paid less. And it doesn't matter if men do more hours, the salary is by hour no? Oh and btw women have less shitty work but they also have nearly no good work. There is no women working at the head of companies man. And they're more subject to unemployment. I would like to think a CEO earned his position and that it has nothing to do with gender beyond, men have been in the workforce for longer... Until recent times, women stayed home to raise kids, while the man held the job I have also been to college and women choose different classes than men... I never see more than 1-2 women in my science or math classes... (Except that time when I went to the wrong class and it was 90% women... Math 070, iirc) |
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Christians are under the forgiveness. Atheists are not. For sure, the atheists better take it literal and do it.
That depends on how you interpret the bible... The church I went to believed... once saved, always saved... in that case, since I was "saved" at the ripe age of 4 years old... I'm still going to heaven  MUAHAHAHAHA!!! See ya in Heaven BADecker!!! Once saved, always saved, is not Biblical. Wrong, as always http://www.allaboutgod.com/once-saved-always-saved.htmI give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one. An intelligent person would quit questioning the things I say... before the 30th time I backed up my statement with a biblical quote... More snitch stuff, right Moloch? Nobody can snatch someone out of the Father's hand. But you jumped out. Feel free to snitch the snatch, just don't snatch the snitch why would I want to deny you your extra Heavenly reward for saving them, the reward the Father will give you Ooh, nobody said anything about presents... Could you elaborate on these gifts that Father gives me? |
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Christians are under the forgiveness. Atheists are not. For sure, the atheists better take it literal and do it.
That depends on how you interpret the bible... The church I went to believed... once saved, always saved... in that case, since I was "saved" at the ripe age of 4 years old... I'm still going to heaven MUAHAHAHAHA!!! See ya in Heaven BADecker!!! Once saved, always saved, is not Biblical. Wrong, as always http://www.allaboutgod.com/once-saved-always-saved.htmI give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one. An intelligent person would quit questioning the things I say... before the 30th time I backed up my statement with a biblical quote... More snitch stuff, right Moloch? Nobody can snatch someone out of the Father's hand. But you jumped out. Feel free to snitch the snatch, just don't snatch the snitch |
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So nothing is evil, only your Will matters, and therefore you don't object to people burning children alive.
Why put words in my mouth? Did I say that? I'll answer anyway... no, I don't believe that anything is objectively evil... evil is a label you use when you disagree with someone (usually ignorance of their motives) Is murder evil? Is capital punishment evil? Is it evil to kill a serial killer? You can't say murder is objectively evil, if you have a single situation where you can justify murder... Is it evil to steal a loaf of bread to feed your starving children? Would God approve of the theft? Would God consider it murder if you let your child starve to death rather than steal the bread? What Would Jesus Do? |
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Christians are under the forgiveness. Atheists are not. For sure, the atheists better take it literal and do it.
That depends on how you interpret the bible... The church I went to believed... once saved, always saved... in that case, since I was "saved" at the ripe age of 4 years old... I'm still going to heaven MUAHAHAHAHA!!! See ya in Heaven BADecker!!! Once saved, always saved, is not Biblical. Wrong, as always http://www.allaboutgod.com/once-saved-always-saved.htmI give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one can snatch them out of my hand. My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all; no one can snatch them out of my Father's hand. I and the Father are one. An intelligent person would quit questioning the things I say... before the 30th time I backed up my statement with a biblical quote... |
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Christians are under the forgiveness. Atheists are not. For sure, the atheists better take it literal and do it.
That depends on how you interpret the bible... The church I went to as a kid believed... once saved, always saved... in that case, since I was "saved" at the ripe age of 4 years old... I'm still going to heaven MUAHAHAHAHA!!! See ya in Heaven BADecker!!! |
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Does it have to be mentioned again that there is no measurable evidence for religion/God?
yes , there is no god no heaven no saving by jesus.. we are in the real world not in a delusional heaven.. Ok, and yet you ask of community to provide one for you. So what do you want to hear. Now let me tell you what I want to hear: Give me PROOF and EVIDENCE that atheism(which you are so eagerly preaching) is ACCURATE and CORRECT. Just ONE proof and i will be the first one to became a true atheist. Atheism is not a religion, or a claim... it is a rejection of your claim that God exists Christians made a claim... "God exists, and he is just like is says in this book here"... Atheists read the book, and dispute this claim for lack of foundation/evidence It's as simple as, " We don't believe you"... what is there to prove? |
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For example, someone who concern-trolls about child sacrifice and talks about "bronze age psychopaths" when his chosen avatar is a bronze age idol that was used to burn children alive.
Please tell me you aren't stupid enough to believe that Satanists actually worship Satan... Whether they think Satan is real, or just a concept, they still worship Satan. And people really did burn their own children alive in the name of Moloch, which you have chosen as your own name. It doesn't matter if Moloch was real or just a bronze statue, it still represents evil. And that's what you have chosen. Satanists neither believe that Satan is real, nor a concept... It's just a name they chose to troll Christians... because Christians constantly assume they know everything, without ever bothering to lift a finger and actually research for themselves Those of us who are intelligent, understand that evil does not exist... therefore we occasionally use symbols that you would deem evil, as a way to express our intelligence over silly superstitions |
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