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Wo ist denn das Problem, an der Forschung die da betrieben wird?
Ich verstehe nicht mal was Du oder herzmeister konkret kritisieren?
Technologien und innovative Entwicklungen rund um Zahlungsysteme sind ein ureigenstens Thema von Banken. Ist doch legitim dazu zu forschen.
Ist doch jetzt nicht so, als ob McDonald's ein Blockchain-Burger rausbringt oder Aldi Süd ein "Big Data"-Forschungszentrum erbaut. Das wäre eindeutig unsinnig und hype-getrieben.
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I meant to say interesting, not in a meaning of super innovative and newly-discovered features.
Most of this stuff is obviously on alot of serious coins roadmap.
I meant to say, is there a chance that this could accelerate Moneros development?
(So it could be interesting from this perspective to all of us.)
---> But this question is now already answered with smooths reply. (Nobody knows today, we have to wait for the release.)
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All this talk about how "miners would never attack the network because that would destroy confidence in the blockchain and they would stop making money" is kinda bogus IMHO.
Basically double spends already happened but the bitcoin community just looks the other way and pretends that never happened.
Are you sure "miners have no incentive to perform double spend attacks" if all that happens after a double spend (that doesn't seem that easy to investigate into too apparently) is some posts on reddit trying to figure out what the hell happened and bitcoiners just forgetting about it?
Jeah, very good, thank you. That is what is was trying to say. |
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I feel like they will release something, because: - they completely redone the webpage (with GUI client screenshots) - their two most important BCT accounts (Ullo and DStrange) are both announcing early april for the next release (which is very close) - they did this new stylish announcing thread with nice infographics & meaningful roadmap Feels to me like they really have something, but could also be just a very good made pump effort. Who knows.  Also very interesting to me are the announced "CryptoNote protocol updates". In my world of thought, it would have been required & necessary to (at least) talk with the devs & leaders of the biggest CN-coin, before announcing changes to the protocol. |
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5w00p: Everybody shares your opinion about ByteCoin. But code talks. I am no software developer, so I dont understand & know the code bases of Monero and Bytecoin.
So I ask, if maybe something good can come out of this. Because some of the announced features undoubtedly look promising.
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Jorge, if a minig cartel ever threatened to change the rules of Bitcoin, the value would plummet as everyone jumped ship to a new coin. Why would they ever do it knowing that it would devalue their assets?
This is a nonsense answer to me. Why would they have to threat anything? They CAN do many different detectable and undetectable manipulations, with or without violating Bitcoins rules. There is no need to change the rules. They could manipulate: TX relaying, block relaying, not mining TX they dont like (to low fees, unwanted origin), banning of nodes, logging & spying on users, implement black-lists, ..., etc. |
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You guys saw https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1008146.0? It's " Bytecoin website and roadmap release (including CryptoNote protocol updates)". I think it's pretty good and worth to be discussed. Is there any Monero-related or CN-related discussion about this, anywhere on BCT or elsewhere? Can the Monero- or CryptoNote- or even the whole Crypto Currency-ecosystem benefit from this development effort? |
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But to decide & leave, they a) would have to be aware of an (maybe disguised) attack or manipulation and b) there must be big enough and trust-worthy alternatives available to go to.
I think most/same of you guys are clearly over-estimating & exaggerating the power and influence of the miners (in discussions with trolls and serious BTC-critical posters).
From my POV it makes real discussions unobjective.
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Who cares about miners? They have no vote and nothing to say.
Relevant are only the 3 till 5 admins/owners of the biggest mining pools. They decide.
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I am no Poloniex user. I dont understand what happened in aminorexs case. Please explain.
I had planed to deposit BTC on Poloniex soon, to buy XMR obvious.
Or in other words, is Poloniex still the best and most recommend exchanger to buy our coin?
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Denker: Ich schaue nach. Es besteht natürlich immer noch ein geringes Restrisiko, dass ich mich geirrt habe, bzw. das Institut verwechselt habe. Wie gesagt, ich sehe nach und poste diese ggf. am morgigen Tag.
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IBM, die Fed und co wollen ihre eigene Blockchain. Eigentlich benutzen sie nur den Begriff Blockchain, weil der grad hip ist, was sie meinen is höchstens sowas wie Ripple, oder am Ende ganz was zentralisiertes. Mit Bitcoin hat das nich mehr viel zu tun.
1.) Ich persönlich bin jetzt nicht mit dem Brand Bitcoin auf immer & ewig verheiratet. Ich freue mich, wenn Bitcoin-Technologie - wie die Blockchain -, egal von wem, erforscht und (breiter) eingesetzt wird. Weitere Crypto Finance-Lösungen [egal ob von IBM, der FED oder UBS] bieten Vielfalt, Wahlmöglichkeiten für Anwender und Erfahrungsgewinn (& Anstellungsverhältnisse) für Entwickler und Forscher. Sie schaden offenen & freien Projekten nicht, wenn diese wirklich gut und überlegen sind. 2.) Ich seh ein, dass das in dem Artikel nicht so deutlich wird, aber die UBS forscht sehr wohl auch daran, konkret Bitcoin in die bankwirtschaftlichen Geschäftsprozesse zu integrieren, zusätzlich zu den genannten Forschungsthemen. Meiner Überzeugung nach, ist diese Geisteshaltung irgendetwas abzulehnen, nur weil es nicht direkt (& unmittelbar) mit Bitcoin & Bitcoins Popularisierung zu tun hat, grundfalsch und höchst schädlich.
Das schadet a) dem Bitcoin Projekt & der Crypto Currency-Bewegung und steht b) zudem in Widerspruch zu Bitcoins Wurzeln & Idealen, nämlich crypto-anarchistischem, anarchokapitalistischen & radikal liberalem Gedankengut & Weltanschaungen. |
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What is absolutely amazing to me is how the LTC remains relevant.
LTC is irrelevant. It just shows a high marketcap on CMC (most would say artificial bloated) and has a little significance as general altcoin trading token. Because most markets of (scrypt-based) bitcoin clones are traded in LTC. |
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the killer app of bitcoin is the ability to speculate on the price of bitcoin ... that's the ultimate truth ... here's some random inconvenient (bad) aspects of bitcoin that render it inappropriate for anything but speculation / a bad one at that ...
-as a payment mechanism , you get to pay a % fee , either with circle/coinbase or as wire transfer fee to overseas exchanges simply to buy bitcoin in the first place ... adding extra expense , not to mention time delay and inconvenience , to whatever you want to buy vs "legacy" payment systems , some of which actually *pay you* to use their service (credit card rewards / cashback rewards) ...
-using bitcoin requires that you have easy access to the "legacy" payment infrastructure anyway (bank account/credit card to send money to exchanges/link to circle or coinbase) ... unless of course you want to pay a double digit % markup / risk being stabbed and robbed in an in-person (localbitcoins) transaction ...
-as a store of value , it is extremely unstable and volatile , and therefore not a "store of value" as such , since you don't know what the value will be tomorrow ... could be $10 could be $1000 , depending on whether 10s/100s of millions are taken out of the loop or injected into the loop (a tiny amount of $ in the world of finance) ... it is far more appropriate to compare it to a speculative investment class than to a solid store of value , such as real estate or physical metals ...
-unlike "traditional" speculative investment classes , such as stocks released all at once with an initial public offering , bitcoin is constantly released onto the market via newly mined coins , as such , with bitcoin there is a non-stop selling pressure / maintenance cost built into the system (the natural direction for bitcoin to head in is DOWN simply as a result of the mining mechanism ... the only way for bitcoin value to go UP is for all+more of the newly mined coins to be bought/held out of circulation ... something that is by no means a guarantee to occur ... nevermind existing coins being dumped into the market)
-unlike every other investment class available , bitcoin is largely not regulated or insured against theft by existing exchanges , and due to the irreversibility of bitcoin transactions theft is extremely easy , functionally forcing anyone who wants to hold any amount of bitcoin to be adequately tech-savvy to store and secure their own bitcoins ... something far beyond the ability of most people ...
please resume normal trading ... nothing to see here ... btw yikes on the $5 swings in 2 minutes on finex
Finde ich ganz lesens- und bedenkswert. |
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I am going to finish the list of the most important (must know) developers, players, supporters and service owners & operators related to Monero, this easter weekend. See http://mcm.xmr.biz/!
If you think, you should be listed there or can update information or otherwise help to improve, please write me a PN. Thank you. |
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Die Fragestellung in dem Thread-Titel, die ist einfach nicht ideal. Mich würden ua. eher berechtigte Zweifel und Kritik sowie offene, unbeantwortete Fragen zu Monero als Diskussionsthema interessieren. Weil nur daran kann man mgl. Probleme erkennen, lernen und wachsen.
Denn die entscheidende Frage ist doch eben nicht, ob Monero Potential(e) besitzt oder nicht. Weil diese a) offensichtlich sichtbar sind und b) auch von niemand Ernstzunehmenden bestritten werden.
Die zentrale, offene Frage ist doch eigentlich:
Können die Monero-inhärenten (großen) Potentiale gehoben werden?
-> Was ist dazu nötig? (Optimale Strategie, Entwicklungs-Vorgehen ...)
-> Was steht dem ggf. im Weg? Wo lauern Probleme?
...
Weil genau, diese Themenstellung ist doch spannend & entscheidend. Denn bspw. CargoLifter oder DaimlerChrysler hatten auch mal Potential(e) und konnte diese aber eben nicht realisieren. :-)
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Sub-Ether: What are you trying to say?
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