Unfortunately due to the number of investors promoting competing projects, there is a limit to what I can disclose on a public forum. I have said this already. I'm not here to give away business plans. I'm here to turn them into reality. That's why it has to remain secret.
But I am offering to demonstrate my knowledge and experience vis a vis Bitcoin Island, by inviting those who wish to learn more to come to Bitcoin Island Boot Camp. With respect to Frank here, I have even offered to waive the fee for him, as long as he agrees to sign the NDA along with everyone else: If you can do that, and you are still interested in learning about my "knowledge and experience," then I'll invite you to sign a non-disclosure agreement and come to the Boot Camp and learn all about it. I'll even waive the 3 BTC admittance, just for you.
Hopefully he will consider this offer carefully, recognize just how irrelevant his questions are, and stop spamming the thread. you waiving the fee for me does not make the request for answers any less relevant for anyone else. you dont have to answer questions about your secret technology. just about your personal knowledge and experience in the area's required to make an island project work. 3 things an obvious ponzi/scam script requires. 1.a predefined large buy in fee with no clear description of what is being bought 2.a special technology / proven algorithm that is guaranteed to succeed 3.a NDA so that once you are in you cannot simply report to the police without risking a courtcase yourself sound familiar?? |
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Once again, I have absolutely zero interest in dealing with investors for Bitcoin Island. I have made this clear from the very beginning.
the very beginning. lets start there. This property is currently bidding at around $125,000 with less than a week to go. So I think 40,000 BTC is a reasonable goal. If most Bitcoin users contribute, that's just a few Bitcoins per person. And we get an island! I can't say whether this will be possible or worthwhile, but it's worth a shot. If we can get close, I have an investor who may be able to put us over the top.
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Where can I contribute?
1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y
I'm not sure where you live that you think this is acceptable behaviour. It certainly isn't in the UK, which has rather strict libel laws.
lol you have no clue about law. especially hiding behind your pseudonym and ignoring any requests to reveal your true identity, knowledge or experience. which means any insults to "benjamindees" are not related to the writer behind the screen of this pseudonym or his personality/character in real life. because you ignore any attempt to establish a link to the name on the birth certificate of the accused. thus making insulting "benjamindees" the same as any other fictitious character. a prime example would also be when, even if there was a link to your real life identity. by insulting "benjamindees" would still not land me in court for libel. and with that i will say: Tony Stark AKA Iron man is a paedophile. now lets see how long robert downy Jr takes to get me in court. afterall everyone knows the link between the two names.(point being RDJ won't take me to court because Tony Stark is ot his birth name, and neither is "benjamindees") have never once "sold seeds".
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5808.0aswell as purely self modding/locking and ignoring posts as soon as anyone starts asking fundamental questions. he tries to twist the answers .. EG Does this venture, by any chance, require the transfer of funds to a trusted party?
It requires transferring Bitcoins in order to purchase a lot. selective removal of the word trust as for other people spotting the holes and accusing him of being a scammer: I can't believe how many scammers show up in this forum.
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What's even more interesting is the fact that people are actually entertaining this poster.
there were 5 other quotes but he deleted their comments. and lastly. my personal sentiment.. for a person that dislikes government control, laws and wants a free country with libertarian principles.. coming up with the BS about libel and courts, shows he has no clue. if you wants freedom away from laws and hide behind pseudonyms to grab bitcoins for a real estate project that deals in only FIAT (bitcoins are only useful at project completion). then don't expect laws to then protect you. for a island to be purchased, fiat is needed upfront. and then bitcoins used in the later phases once people on the island want to trade their time for bitcoins. (mega flaw in his plan he did not answer to) |
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Is this still going on? He's told you he doesn't want your money. How is he scamming you if he's not taking your money???
he is scamming the community. by asking the community for funds! just because he now says he refuses to take money from one person does not make him legitimate. he claims he is not asking for any money. yet is asking for 3BTC for his 'dry test' and 300BTC for the actual project. there have been 6 people that have requested basic fundamental questions. not about the technologies he is supposedly selling under NDA that the island requires. but purely about this guys own knowledge/experience and background. a scam is not just about after the fact. its also about spotting the scams before they happen. EG when you receive an email saying you have won the Nigerian lottery and all they request is a small deposit to validate the lottery win and cover administration costs. would anyone say it is not a scam and actually allow others to blindly pay into such an obvious and known scam. would you honestly and morally tell a friend or family that it is ok to deal with such a scenario if this person wants to seek funds from people then he should reveal such basic of information. |
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finshaggy, you have just revealed to the whole bitcoin community that you cant even look after yourself.. in the off topic thread. so why even bother continuing with the delusion that you have what it takes to lead this project.
get out of the delusions, enter reality. sort yourself out. look at what is required beyond your dreams of the end result. and then go visit new hampshire and do some indepth research before you even try to put a price on your next delusion.
why oh why is it always the psychotic drug fuelled idiots that think they have what it takes to make a bitcoin town/island...
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this is a bitcoin forum
please vacate the forum and go to google and search: deluded druggies sympathy forum
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finshaggy.. your not 9 years old..
if you dont like your family life.. then move the hell out.. you are sure as hell old enough to control your own life.. so do it
you sound like a lil kid blaming the world for your drug fuelled and delusional life.. yet can't be arsed to do anything about it.
stop asking for hand outs while you remain sitting in your family home complaining about the world..
instead. open the front door of the house.. take some breaths of fresh air and realise with every step forward is one step away from your problems.
after just seeing video one of all your delusionary uptopian bitcoin dreams i came to the conclusion that you dont have the mind set to lead any of these projects, simply because you cant seem to make decisions about your own life, or have any control of your own finances to drag yourself out of your own situation.
so please take this as some positive critisism.. sort your self out,
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exoskeleton...
beautiful depiction of how it will turn out with finshaggy as the leader
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Join Bitcoin Foundation if you want to help pay to hire lobbyists in Washington DC. If that's not something you're in favour of then you're probably better off not joining.
So if you are not American there is no point in joining them? this is the part that makes me laugh. how the bitcoin foundation believes joining forces with the US will help bitcoin.. yet have no plans for europe, asia, africa or any other continents. kind of narrow minded. bitcoin is its own country, it does not need to follow the laws of just the USA. the only people that need to follow the laws of the USA are those dealing with the american dollar. so in my eyes the foundation is there to pay gavins wages (which is of benefit, but i prefer to donate direct to him) and to pay for the other founders.. EG bitinstant, bitpay, etc. who are american bitcoin/fiat traders. the bitcoin foundation has not done much from what i can see to help PUIK (blockchain.info) with its UK legal issues, or any of the european/australian exchanges. |
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competition is always good. even if there are 100 different alt coins competition is always good.
what is not good is people sitting on forums WAITING for critical mass, as if it magically will happen naturally. the whole point of competition, much like sports competition... is alot of sweat and hard work.
if your just going to stand there at the start line and think your going to win purely because you have alot of backers, means nothing.. you have to actually respond and do something to ensure you win..
its never about how much money is thrown at a champion, its about how hard they work to succeed. we need a proper focus on infrastructure such as simplifying merchant tools, developing easy methods to incorporate bitcoin technologies into existing business models, and to actually get out of the basements and actively promote bitcoin outside of forums and you tube videos which are only seen by the already initiated.
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How is the progress on this?
Any new updates recently?
well finshaggy only has 3BTC and is on a mad .. and i mean mad dash effort to make thousands of posts to get dev coins.. he has no experience of law apart from appearing in court as an accused person. he has no expereince of construction beyond how to roll a joint he has no expereince of farming beyond how to grow weed under a lamp he has no expereince of state permits beyond a 30 second google search .. so you tell me how is this adventure suppose to progress. what makes this more interesting is that there is another guy that wants to make a bitcoin island. with the exact same lack of knowledge and experience required to make it work. and a deliberate side stepping of answering fundamental questions about the project, but in return gets insulting.. why oh why is it only the nutters with no experience that have the idea's that if done properly would help bitcoin. please please please can someone with some actual real estate, construction and law experience please come forward. edit: i take the last comment back.. with pirate@40's mom being in real estate, dad in construction and pirate himself knowing the law back to front.. maybe those qualifications are not enough to make a project like this work... lol |
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i dont like to be dragged into these identity threads but many have asked me for my input..
so here goes
Tatsuaki Okamoto is not the guy that alongside gavin andressen helped program early bitcoin. due to factors such as Tatsuaki Okamoto is very much american english and the guy gavin spoke to is very much british english.
that being said...
there is nothing stopping a think tank of people before 2009 to have got together and combined their idea's into a final paper. and then combined their names into one pseudonym
maybe the english guy that helped finalise the collectives idea's into a white paper and then progressed it into helping gavin.. was called:
Satsuya(shortened to Sat)
another was called
Nobutaka (shortened to Naka)
another was called
Nobuyoshi (shortened to oshi)
and of course
Tatsuaki Okamoto(shortened to moto)
combining to be sat - oshi naka - moto.
where as i said above. Tatsuaki Okamoto moved onto other things but one of the other 3 that has a british English based understanding went on to continue the work along side gavin.
now thats over with.. can we all try putting in as much effort into expanding bitcoin from a business prospective and use your time productively.
you can spend 20 years finding out who it is.. just for you to meet them and in 3 seconds they say "nope, not me, sorry" and your no where closer to solving the puzzle
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naming a town as finshaggy proposes does not automatically mean the population is exempt from following state/government laws.
it just means that the local judge can decide how drastic a crime is (length and type of punishment) and also a few other small tweaks to state and government law.
fin shaggy thinks that all it takes is a town naming ceremony to get around the government. he obviously has not even looked into the new hampshire project which is many years ahead of what finshaggys brain fart proposes to do.
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I can see the company being required to register as a MSB,
MSB is a product of US government and Euro government laws. bitcoin is not owned by them however a "data miner" that creates items for a FIAT value.,. then that would involve MSB. i live in england why should english miners have to follow american laws such as what you interpret it to be. other people in thailand will also ask why should they follow the laws of euro and USA.. now i hope for the 5th time you realise bitcoin is not owned by europe or america. so it does not have to follow those laws |
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so, no one should be breaking the law, educate yourself about what you can and cant legally do, but dont let the trojan horse of govt/tax/govt regulation in +1 by allowing in a government does not make the currency more or less legal. all it does is move the power of ownership away from the people and towards the government that the regulators are native to. EG if bitcoin gets regulated and taxed by UK's FSA/HMRC. it will become UK's property. but that does not change its status in australia, canada, thailand, mexico, etc. so why adopt UK regulations as its still foreign to the rest of the world EG if bitcoin gets regulated and taxed by USA's FINCEN/IRS. it will become USA's property. but that does not change its status in australia, canada, thailand, mexico, etc. so why adopt USA's regulations as its still foreign to the rest of the world imagine bitcoin as its own country. you don't have to follow the laws of another country! i would say though that we do develop our own moral compass to ensure that the currency continues to have value. EG training people how to spot scams. how t secure their wallets from thefts. how to operate online stores with cold wallet and remote management to limit online hacks thefts. how to limit the abilities of DDOS'ers. and to remember you do need to obey the laws of other countries if your business is going to touch their fiat. and that should be the only time you need to obey their regulations. when THEIR fiat is being used. |
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Once again, I have absolutely zero interest in dealing with investors for Bitcoin Island. I have made this clear from the very beginning. The way you have acted here is a primary example of why that is.
If, at some point, you would like to buy a lot on Bitcoin Island to develop as an investment yourself, that might be an option in the future. But it's not being offered yet.
So, instead of using this thread to demand information about an investment opportunity that exists only in your head, please use it for its intended purpose -- to substantiate any of the defamatory accusations you have made against me, to prove that I have "scammed" anyone, or to retract your statements and apologize.
If you can do that, and you are still interested in learning about my "knowledge and experience," then I'll invite you to sign a non-disclosure agreement and come to the Boot Camp and learn all about it. I'll even waive the 3 BTC admittance, just for you.
you bore me with your ignorance. the idea you propose is for people to hand you 3BT-300BTC.. for you to buy land.. that is automatically people investing in you!!! i could have easily handed you a lump sum enough to buy an island freeing you of that burden. and then have it so that people just pay in their 300BTC for the allotment of land you propose to give each person. but hey.. your ignorance far outweigh's the utopian dream you promote |
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Wow - How many people knew this little tidbit? (PM) ALL miners are considered MSBs, since they are enabling transactions for a profit. The guidance is completely backwards – at a local bitcoin exchange the exchange itself is unregulated, however the people there are required to be registered as MSBs. The proper action for FinCEN to have taken is to clarify their guidance, especially related to product as technical as bitcoin, is to solicit public opinion to fully understand the matter. This step was ignored, and MSB regulation from the 90s had a virtual currency clause tacked onto it. Both the public exchange and miner issues should have been clarified in a public forum. this is where a guy in the bitcoin foundation patrick Murck. is failing as a bitcoin fanboy.. he is living on the rules of a country that bitcoin is not owned by bitcoin is not US property or Euro property or British property. so how can a country that does not own bitcoin say that mining is considered MSB.. its not in any countries remit to categorise another economies actions under their own laws. Fincen can only control and categorise the Dollar.... patrick Murck needs to hand in his resignation letter for this mega boo boo of not understanding bitcoin. think of it this way. if i made some poker chips would i need a licence. no if i was hasbro and made monopoly money would i need a licence. no if i was a world of warcraft player making gold would i need a licence. no if i was all of these companies/people above and sold coins/paper play money or virtual game tokens for fiat. would i need a licence. Yes (if doing more then $1000 per customer per day, and over 100,000 total income(as that is then classed as a FIAT Business)) |
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franky1,
I can assure you that my primary motivation is to give the half of potential Bitcoin Islanders without 300 BTC an opportunity not to have to deal with "investors" such as yourself.
again ignoring the knowledge and experience questions.. but to answer your point. by ANYONE giving you 300BTC they are investing into you......................... so everyone wanting to buy into utopia is an investor.. just like people that buy homes.. its an investment into their future, even if they live in that home for 50 years now please answer the questions for the benefit of all your future 3BTC -300BTC investors: what is your knowledge and experience of these area's: real estate construction utility companies leadership skills permits and laws related to the above listings handing over money to strangers that want to remain strangers should only occur when illegal items are traded (ie silk road), yet i am not asking for your home address, social security number. i only request basic information about your knowledge and experience to make this project even viable |
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What is better than goverment taxing bitcoin transaction? Is not this equal to giving recognition of certain value to bitcoin itself as a currency? Just want to state I would be willing to be tax for bitcoin earning (if I do earn anything in future). But it may also mean goverment will get 20%(rough estimate) of our mined bitcoins?
guess you dont know much about law or about searching old threads. so one last time when you cash out your bitcoin to FIAT. the government will then want a slice of your FIAT income. imagine it another way. your american and you go to spain for 6 months and work. the american IRS will not be tracking your EURO income, so you wont be taxed on euros. but when you return back home and it shows you have more USD then 6 months ago once you cashed back into USD. they will want a slice of that profit |
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Since it seems the majority of those interested have little or no money, I have spent the last several weeks working to make Bitcoin Island more accessible. The logistics of settling an island are daunting, but with a little cooperation, some cost-effective technologies and hard work, it can be accomplished. So I've created a new path to Bitcoin Island for those of you without 300 BTC. I'm still not sure how much it will be, exactly. Likely at least 100 BTC in total. The number of openings will be limited. And there will be lots of work involved as well. But, if you might be interested, the first step is to join us in participating in a boot camp to help test and develop the necessary technologies to make it happen: Bitcoin Island Boot Camptranslation because he cant con people for 300BTC in one go, he now only wants 3btc out of people. i have personally asked him on several occassions what his knowledge and experience is of these area's: real estate construction utility companies leadership skills permits and laws related to the above listings which can all be followed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=238628.0 |
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I'm not really sure how to write this in a way that you will actually read it, and understand it, but please try:
I am not looking for investors. Stop trolling my threads.
if your not interested in money then stop showing your vanity address and quoting that the island will cost 300BTC per person and the boot camp will be 3btc per person.. this is your vanity address which you seek people to deposit funds to: 1SLAND4JQt2mhypA6cR7TSh2UunW4NU4y so don't deny you don't seek funds.. and look you still decline answering the fundamental questions about your knowledge and experience... |
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