I saw the price, and then i laughed.

You'll get it just in time for the halving, and then you'll be lucky to make 300$ per month with it. 1 Year ROI? No thanks.

I agree about the S10, i did not reply there, since all i would had to said about it is party pooping.

The S11... i really don't know, maybe a improved version of the 14nm chip? And ran at much lower voltage? I don't know but other than that i think it will take a while.

For a improved 14nm at lower voltage we might see 100% gain in efficiency, for the next NM step... probably triple the H/J gain, at the same voltage, in efficiency as usual.

Lets compromise and do it for free. ;P

You should come by IRC if you need asap Feedback.

With the custom firware to undervolt and severely underclock, if you replace the fans...

I'd do it with S5's instead. They're so cheap, now.

Yes it is.

This is what i did for mine;
https://i.imgur.com/OyHRbd5.jpg?1

But take note that the output need to be pushed strait outside the room, you need a fan pulling air in and for hot miners like the S7 batches i got, this does suppress noise by a lot, but a S7 at full blast is still very loud through such box.

This worked splendid for S5's and okay for Avalon during cooler periods. But the TDP of the S7 and still for the A6, is just too dense.

I would totally say otherwise if OP has Free electricity and i would totally say otherwise, doubly, if OP needed the heating.

I understand where your logic is coming from, but here's mine;
https://poloniex.com/exchange#btc_eth

Set to 1 month. You can see price is overall pretty much keeping up with the difficulty.

I'm always careful about putting all my eggs in one Basket so instead i split my Eth earning into more Eth earning and other things.

Just to be clear. For Eth, 380 is equivalent to 970, but cheaper. With AMD you can get more hash per cards for lower efficiency, still at better price... or better efficiency than Nvidia at less hash per card. So all in all, its easy to say Nvidia does not have it place in Eth mining currently.


Glad you understand. W10 can work for a mining rig, but its not good for serial deployments. With Linux you can just setup an image then slap it on the next HDD/SSD when you build a new rig.

Mixing AMD and Nvidia is possible, but again, you're creating "engineering problems" with your "car". Definitively possible, though. However i don't know if you would reach best stability.

Best do A separate Nvidia rig. Thats what i do, though in 2-3 years i have no been in a situation where building a Nvidia rig was better. However, for a personal PC, on windows, i want to get something like 1080 TI for gaming, but mining wise, nvidia is generally lacking, sadly.

You're confusing things. Mining speed isint = TFLOP. There's software/hardware interaction thing, Nvidia suck at OpenCL.

Now the thing is, you seem to not even have picked a road to go.

I'm going to have to use an analogy, since it doesnt seem what i'm saying is getting through to you.

You're thinking of getting a car with everything, You want a standard sized car, but now you want to add seats. You want to add an electric engine. You want to add solar power. You want it to run on waters, you also want it to go on roads, in air.

Right now, you want something that is going to do everything. You want a dinosaur on a laser on a rocket shark. http://azeroth.metblogs.com/files/2010/08/undeadonraptoronsharkwithfrickinlaserbeams.jpg

There's tons of issues that come with wanting to do what you want to do. For instance, you think Nvidia is better, but you say you want to mine. Do you want most TFLOP, or do you want a machine that will give you the highest Hash per watt?

You need to decide what you want to mine in the first place. If you want to mine right now, you need AMD.

You dont use splitters because it bring more costs and hardware issues. It bring engineering issues, when you're adding things to your "car". For starters, You seem to want Windows, but Windows support limited amount of GPU. Also each rig require a license, so mining rigs are mass deployed on Linux. Although W10 does support 6 GPU.

So do you want Windows or Linux?

So i'll tell you again. Get yourself a workstation. Get yourself something else for mining. You can mine on your PC/Workstation, but whats going to make a good workstation isint going to make a great mining rig.

So instead of trying to get your magic car that does everything. Get a plane, get a car, get a bicycle, use the one you need for the right task. The right tool for the right job.

Right now you're trying to imagine a rig and spend something like 8000$USD on some monster machine that's going to be improper and an engineering nightmare, instead of getting 2-3 PC for half the price that will each do their designated task better than your Omni PC.

-You can get much better efficiency... 50% more hash/w or so with which GPU you pick. If you want to buy a monster PSU to target at 50% get an extra 1-2% power saved... thats a bad idea, but you should go Sidehack's way. You'd probably need ... a 2000 or those 2880watt PSU if you want to run 380 or 390 at 50%, for marginal gain.

The efficiency at 80%-90% load are just fine IMO.

-I'd deploy more rigs that are more efficient instead of doing that. I'd get G2 1000 and go with low TDP cards long before going your route. You can get 1200 P2 if you want the little better efficiency and you will need 240V for the best efficiency. But i don't think you will recoup the 1200 P2's extra cost on at typical prices.

-USB cables don't transmit the power, they would melt if you tried.

-I can't tell you anything about the Pascal Cards but currently mining with Nvidia is not efficient nor cost effective. The Flavor of the day is Ethereum. The workstation cards are not mining cards. I don't know about the multi thousands USD cards currently but the old gen one don't work out versus their standard GPU counterpart.

-Yes they have enough PCI-e slot, look them up yourself, that is what pretty much everyone would use for 6 slots.
https://pcpartpicker.com/part/asrock-motherboard-h81probtc

-I would not setup a mining rig and use it for everyday things for several reason. Noise, Temps, load, stability and OS. You're talking about getting more than 1 rigs worth of GPU, so i strongly recommend you decide what you want to do and stick to it, rather than do everything at the same time together and spend 10k on Hardware for not very good throughput.

I'd decide what i want to invest now, for a per one mining rig and see what the best solution for the moment is. Then decide what i want for a PC and not mix.

I can tell you what I did. I sold my last gen miners and i'm glad i did, even though i sold them at lost. It was a great move and i already ROI'd everything i bought + covered the "losses" from selling the ASICs.

I kept the S1/S3/S5 to heat the place during the night or on cooler days, since i have the available electricity at the moment and no money to max my capacity on GPU.

Now the thing is, i think Phil has spare electricity with his nice and big back yard solar panel setup, so running the ASIC make sense versus downsizing to GPU if you have the electricity available.

What i mean is. You seem to say you can just wait for Sidehack to release the product. But Sidehack is waiting for companies such as Bitmain to decide to sell him chips. Without those he can't make the boards. Which means by waiting for Sidehack you are effectively waiting for Bitmain or Bitfury in the first place... Therefore you will wait for a long (indefinite, potentially infinite) time.

Sidehack can't make his own ASIC chips. You'd need much more money, R&D, then manufacture and probably other stuff i'm not aware of.

If you had that kind of money, maybe Sidehack would know where to start, but i don't. And i think the existing funding is too low by a figure or two.

The cable that the PSU come with will support the PSU and the risers connectors just fine.

Risers are on sale everywhere. Get the powered usb ones.

Get an EVGA P2 1200 or an 1300 G2 max, just use more power efficient GPUs. 1600's cost are exorbitant. The only way you'd need a 1600 was if you went for 6x 290 or such. You could look into 380, that would fit well. 370 are more power efficient still, however.

Mobo... did you say 200$? You're looking at the wrong boards. You dont need anything fancy here. 60$ Asrock H81 or H97 etc is fine here. Cheapest CPU, cheapest RAM.

You will probably be waiting for a long, long time, sadly. =/

Erm. Not really, its like 1-4% at the moment. So at the halving, assuming same fees, it would be 2-8%. Maybe it got up since i last checked, but i still think for a couple more halving, before the TX fee being the mainstay.

In short, if you pay 100$ per month for your S7, high fees or no fees, you will not profit afterward by mining with it.

"before that we need a long term test process to make sure the stable perfomance"

AKA we're going to build lots and mine with them, before selling them?

To "BITMAIN!! Make a 200-400 Watt miner!!" i say;

SIDEHACK!! Make a 200-400 Watt miner!!

I know its more or less up to you, however.

You may want to try 650hz etc, clearly you have a problem somewhere with your supply of power. Maybe you're not feeding high enough voltage to the PSU, maybe its not a very good unit.