I say that having the "Welcome to the board!" PM sent out to all newly registered Newbies with an extensive and detailed list of helpful links and 'how to get started' that will essentially answer all the repetitive questions we're seeing - the same PM that was suggested by hilariousandco (IIRC) previously - would give us an easy reason to delete all threads like those. I don't think it'd take much additional work from the mods since it's a 'is this a basic question that should be answered in the welcome PM? Delete.' type thing, but we could get some additional mods to balance it out. (I think we're overdue for additional mods anyways.)
The whole newbie jail reintroduction and the AWS solution by Vod is intriguing but it's not the only solution.
Or this could be their first PM (and they can not delete from their inbox, just for further reference) That is what I said  Agreed, I was trying to emphasize that they should not be able to delete that PM, in order not to let them complain about not having that first PM at hand, because they have 'accidentally' deleted it somethime ago |
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It's not plagiarism, but it can usually be reported as low-content.
Thanks, I'll use this topic for further reference. Another question: Is it still possible to delete a locked thread, if the OP is this kind of low-content? If not, it seems that one of the users who was doing this kind of spam has got wind of this reporting thing (realized that most of the spam topics has been deleted) and locked a spam topics after a few replies to protect the post count... |
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I say that having the "Welcome to the board!" PM sent out to all newly registered Newbies with an extensive and detailed list of helpful links and 'how to get started' that will essentially answer all the repetitive questions we're seeing - the same PM that was suggested by hilariousandco (IIRC) previously - would give us an easy reason to delete all threads like those. I don't think it'd take much additional work from the mods since it's a 'is this a basic question that should be answered in the welcome PM? Delete.' type thing, but we could get some additional mods to balance it out. (I think we're overdue for additional mods anyways.)
The whole newbie jail reintroduction and the AWS solution by Vod is intriguing but it's not the only solution.
Or this could be their first PM (and they can not delete from their inbox, just for further reference) If you send this in the first email, they will simply delete it... or forget about it, and they need these instructions when they browse the forum, so PM seems more handy... |
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How should we handle those kind of posts (OPs for new topics, mostly) where the user copies a sentence from an article and after (s)he posts the link to the original article? It's not a copypaste, so it cannot be reported that way. This is not the whole article, which has been quoted, so the post cannot move to Press, because in the Press section, there's the whole article and after the discussion about it (if any). There are several posts like this in the Bitcoin Discussion thread daily, e.g.: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4414774.msg39305546#msg39305546This is from a newbie with 7 activity, but there are several users who post daily 10 or more similar new topics in Bitcoin Discussion (and nothing else, or maybe just some similar stuff in the Altcoin Discussion too), to gain activity... This is quite disturbing when you are looking for decent topics (if any) in the Bitcoin Discussion, because you have to run thru 7-9 pages daily... Is it possible to restrict at least e.g. the Bitcoin Discussion thread itself to member rank and up? (to open topics, I'm not talking about posting now) Newbies would have plenty of room elsewhere to spam with new topics... |
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Serious discussion needs to be restricted to members and above, and to be removed from activity credits in my opinion.
I kinda agree with this suggestion from Jet Cash. Serious Discussion board needs to be restricted for member and above . Below that rank, members can only read people's thread on there, it is ideal suggestion, because it sucks when you find trolls in a serious place. Removing activity credits from post on serious discussion should be done too. With that being applied, why would a spammer going there, right? I also agree with the proposal... Unfortunately I think as the spammy topics are started to get deleted from Bitcoin Discussion on a higher volume (people reports them and mods delete spam topics) so spammers realized that there's no use opening meaningless topics in Bitcoin Discussion anymore (OK, all of them haven't realized that already, but a few...) so they are trying to find other places to spam... And they don't read the rules, so they don't know that the posts are not counted in the Serious Discussion.... poor souls You see, those who are programming spamming bots are smarter and know that those posts are in vain if it's about activity count, so they don't let their bots to spam there... |
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I really don't understand this obsession with pictures. How difficult is it to understand a statement such as " When you receive a credit, the merit system converts that into a medal, and adds that to your medal chest. For every two medals that it puts into your chest, it adds a credit to your credit wallet"? Of course I could spend a couple of days with blender to create a morphing animation, but what would that really do to increase clarification. If you can't read and understand a bit of simple text, then you need to stop using your phone to take pictures down your girlfriend's throat, and sending them round the net. Instead you should try reading some books.
and I really did see a bunch of teens taking pictures down each others throats, and sending them to all their friends. What a waste of bandwidth.
Unfortunately only the minor part of the newbies and juniors here wants to understand the merit system (and the forum at all)... The majority don't know words like "medal", "chest" etc... because it's not in connection with airdrop, faucet, bounty, etc... They came here because they saw a youtube video about the registration process, spamming in some spam megathreads, joining airdrops, etc... but nothing in connection with bitcoin, it's technology, the blockchain, or anything serious... because it was not included in the youtube video... There's no need to read nowdays because now you can find everything in youtube tutorial videos... people just don't want to make the effort to help themselves, they are just waiting to be served with solutions... Of course, there are exceptions but when someone don't want any help, you can do almost nothing... I appreciate your effort and it will be a professional explanation, I'm sure. |
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Sitting in the car & just had an idea, might be a shitty one but hear me out.
To further control the flow of shit posts & spamming would it be a good idea for each successfully reported post to earn the reporter 1 Merit point?
It would give newer members a chance to earn Merit without any prejudice that they're a new member? I don’t know if a mod could enable a script to add Merit automatically when a post has been successfully reported & nuked.
This might be an easier way for newer accounts to rank up whilst at the same time learning not to shit post.
This Merit could come from a forum/community pot.
There was something similar, in connection with copypasters: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3275350.0The reason was the same, why not to implement this kind of reward system... Interesting thing that "normal" users just simply don't think about how to abuse these kind of systems, but scammers do... |
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Unfortunately, there might be another indirect effect.
Less knowledgeable people will turn away from any type digital payments and cling to cash, and usually, with those, it's pretty hard to explain things, all they say it "Look what happened!!!!".
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These people in european countries still use mostly cash and after the payday they have a trip to the ATM and withdraw their whole salary in cash and they (try to) use it in a way to still have some money before the next payday. They use their smartphone to call the other people and use FB to upload photos and to like the content their friends share... As long as they don't have a minimal financial education/knowledge in connection with digital money (bank account, money transfer, etc...) they won't think about bitcoin... |
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User: Jashhh Banned OriginalCopy: Argentina's Banco Masventas has revealed that starting Monday it will enable customers to send cross-border payments using bitcoin.
ArchiveUser: parkiabi Banned Original:
I think it is also good if the bank wants to cooperate but can not use it just like that, there are things that are profitable and also there is also a disadvantage for the bank.
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I think it is also good if the bank wants to cooperate but can not use it just like that, there are things that are profitable and also there is also a disadvantage for the bank.
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... Why do you think they care about red trust? A solution could be to disable signatures for anybody at -4 red trust DT2. ... Why -4? If a red trust comes from a DT2, it should be serious, so if red trust exists, signatures should be removed. After, if the red trust was really a mistake or if the user can explain why the red should be removed, the signature can be allowed again. |
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They've already switched to a new tactic. Example: 🔥🔥🔥🔥 [ANN] [ICO] [Airdrop] Ethereum Private 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Private, faste and more was created yesterday, and already has 500+ posts like this: Nice project good team work. I think this project success in future for sure
This is a successful project and good luck for the future
Good luck team with awesome project As supply are so limited and tokens are more worth we are excited about this project. i joined airdrop.
After bitcoin private now its time for etherium private....it will be huge.
Their team is good and the roadmap is well planned and whitepaper is very well written
This project is really good...
i think this is a little revolution maybe .this amazing project hopefully becomes a great project.
best of luck.
That's looks interesting, I hope the project can be successful in the future
It is really a wonderful project overall i study your project, nice work, keep it up! & Thanks For Airdrop#
Can't they all just be banned? Those just seem to be bounty/account farmers as opposed to paid bump bots. If all their posts are just generic crap like that report them and I'll ban them. If all the above quoted one liners are considered generic crap, and we start to report in the Altcoin discussion, you'll end up banning the whole thread in a weekend Seriously, if they are not bump bots but just "normal" bounty hunters / farmed accounts, why all of the accounts on the page ( http://archive.is/7B93z) had just 5 or 6 activities that time? Is it possible that new bump bot accounts are registered for every day/week/topic etc? |
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... This is going to be fun if bots aren't updated yet  Look here for example, posts are piling up. I'm very eager to see what it looks like in a few hours! ... I had a look at the mentioned topic... First I thought that these bots have a list of posts they can randomly put into any of the topics, but I think they are just somehow select a post from the forum randomly and post it elsewhere... If it's not the case, why on earth a newbie with 6 activity would post like he was the dev of the ANN thread? fill bounty form if you accept thailand translate please pm to me.
thanks.
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Why do you think they care about red trust? Especially so when the trust reads something like "Employs spammers" because the people wanting to advertise do not care about the people who are going to be advertising their site as long as it's advertising and some sort of impressions per month or post per month get reached.
"Investors" might think twice about putting their money and/or effort into a project whose main threads have red tags right on the OP.. I would hope anyway.. I don't think so, in connection with bounties... Bounties are giving out tokes, which they have in an unlimited amount (theoretically, because they are the issuers of their own tokens) so they don't risk real money, so if there's no risk, there's no need to care about the red flags, they have nothing to lose.... so as long as a red tagged bounty manager is cheaper (this is the only real cost) he will get the job... |
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I just came across this 2014 thread which was revived yesterday by a spam bot or shitposter, then followed by shitposter after shitposter. I expect more to come. Please lock the thread before it gets big ; I am sure that the original poster doesn't need those answers anymore. Edit: then you can also delete this thread. This has been asked a few times ago (in general, not this specific topic): https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3462180.0or here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3952738.0 etc... but no joy still... I would prefer to lock any topic after a week of inactivity, and if there's someone who wants to post something serious (not just a oneliner spam), can click on a dedicated button, post a reply, but first the mods should review the post if the quality is OK to reopen the topic to include that post. After the one week period restarts and the topic is locked again if the conversation ends. But I'm afraid this won't happen, so anyone can continue to necropost... |
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When I come across a post that seems familiar or otherwise likely to be plagiarism I pick a distinctive phrase out of the post and do a google search like this:
"<distinctive phrase>" site:bitcointalk.org
And if there is more than one result then I report the post and in the comment field I mention the number of hits returned by a google site search of the key phrase. This is less cumbersome than trying to put a link in the comment field to an identical post, especially when there might be *hundreds* of identical posts to choose from.
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This works only for the users who copypaste from the forum, but there are a lot of spammers here who just copy a website or article (usually a fresh article about bitcoin from a decent news site) and opens a new topic, paste the article and "forget" to mention the source... They are hunting for merit, because they think that if the other users see these long posts and the posts are good quality (because they were copied form a bitcoin news website) they will get merits. If you just copy a few sentences from the middle of the suspicious post and try to search for it like this: "<example text>" and without the /site:bitcointalk.org, it will list you the original article. You can find a lot of examples in the dedicated copypaste topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1926895.0 |
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I have only my old mobile phone and I don't want to buy a smartphone. How can I login?
Then how did you create your account if you don't have any android/ios phone? Are you from the group of people who created an account a long time ago but also haven't logged in recently? It would be best to explain what happened in details. Some time ago (last year or even earlier) it was possible to create an account using a PC and a normal web browser, and the 2FA that time was the 6 digit temporary code via SMS. Last year Xapo has removed SMS, because of some reason (if I remember well, it was something about SIM card cloning or SMS hijacking) they introduced the XAPO app code, which changes in every 30 seconds, and you can log in only with this via the web browser of the PC. So now if you don't have a smartphone, you're out from the service.... |
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I wonder if the automatic generation of negative merits might help. You get one neg for 5 pooposts that are deleted in a single month, and one neg for every deleted post after the first 5.. At worst this would increase the cost of up ranking,and could result in down ranking.
Another alternative would be to introduce a 'spammer' rank. 10 pooposts in a 14 day period means you are ranked as spammer for 30 days. Spammers' posts are not counted, and sig rights are removed.
Signature spammers can be stopped with this. Bounty spammers won't care about merit, as long as they can report their social network activity and they get their bounty. They won't care about the signature remove as well. I won't be this nice, I would simply ban somebody who spams more than 10 posts in a two weeks period... The question is, who will decide if a post is a spam? The mods are already overloaded, and this can't be automated easily. |
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As I understand, these bump bots are not spamming randomly but they (the farmer of them) are paid to have a few topics on the top of the thread, to gain more visibility...
What happens if we just ban all the newbie users who post in that topic and after deletes that post? If there's no post (0 post count) than there's nothing that the newbie can lose, so I have no problem with banning them.
This will make the farmers to create new account for every bump post, which will not worth the effort, I guess. And I'm not sure, but I guess they are smart enough not to use the same IP to create those new accounts, so I don't have any idea yet how to restrict the creation of the new bumping accounts...
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Hi.
As the topic suggests, I’m really not happy with how the moderators of the forum or topic function. They delete without looking at the comments. If someone reports the comment, they will delete it. Even if it concerns the users who are not wanting to get scammed by any ico.
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Do you mean why do the mods delete all the posts when the topic opening post is a spam? When the mods delete a topic opening post (because it's spammy, scam, etc...), this means all the posts in the topic gets deleted too, automatically. This is why you should be very cautious where do you post if you mind your post count... If you post in order to gain activity, you should think twice where you post (and how you post...), in order to keep your post count increasing instead of decreasing.... |
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so while altcoin proponents now probably outnumber the Bitcoin maximalists, the merit distribution is disproportionately in favor of Bitcoin sympathizers...
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Well, this is a bitcoin forum, so it's not a surprise for me... .....
As far as the OP goes, I'm not quite sure what he's suggesting--seems like a minimum time frame between ranks? Whatever it is, it's probably not going to happen.
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I hope it won't change. If a fixed or maximum time frame (even a year) will be introduced for the rank up process, the account farmers will farm a lot of account for a year and they will surely rank up to the next level, so this won't stop the spam here... |
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