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721  Other / Meta / Re: It's no wonder we are infested with bounty and airdrop spammers on: April 22, 2018, 07:36:28 PM

The numbers make it nigh on impossible. With a million accounts signing up in the last year, the mods will have their hands full if they start evaluating all members. Newbie jail isn't bad, but asking moderators to evaluate all accounts would be asking too much.

I suspect most of them wouldn't post, but having read Bitarts post, I think it could be combined with a merit count. You need to earn at least 5 merits ( say) to be able to post on other boards. That would allow the community to choose new members to allow onto the main boards.
And if the spammer newbies realize that they have to create quality posts to become normal members, they will stop registering thousands of users weekly, so after a little time, there will be less posts in the 'Newbie Jail' so there will be enough time and people to merit the posts which deserves it. Until then, maybe we can lose a few really promising newbie, but we can stop this spamming madness...
722  Other / Meta / Re: "YOU CANNOT MERIT THAT POST" on: April 22, 2018, 07:30:08 PM
That error happens when some info about the post is missing/undefined. For example, you get that when you try to merit a post by a guest, since those posts don't have a defined user.

I might just be being stupid here, but then why on the same post did The Pharmacist have the error and no one else did? Surely if the post is missing some info, it is missing the info for everybody?
Just managed to merit it after vlom, so it seems if there were something missing or it was an error, maybe it has been fixed now.
723  Other / Meta / Re: It's no wonder we are infested with bounty and airdrop spammers on: April 22, 2018, 07:00:23 PM
@theymos  [mob/mod-rule].

What does that mean - have I broken some rule with this thread?
I don't think so... there's nothing special with your post according to my understanding.

What happens if we only allow the newbies to post in specific threads, which threads won't count in the campaigns, so there will be no use to spam the forum, because they won't earn any money with their first posts?
After, they have received their 3rd merit for quality posts, they will be able to post in the whole forum.
Any cons?
724  Economy / Services / Re: [FULL] ChipMixer Signature Campaign | 0.00075 BTC/post on: April 22, 2018, 06:25:28 PM
Yup, definitely won't be required as it's not an easy thing to set up at the moment, and like LoyceV mentioned, it's still highly experimental.

Just wanted to gauge interest mostly. With the current limits though, it wouldn't be very practical.
I'd like to participate too, testing the LN is interesting for me. I don't mind risking one payment (if it's not too high Smiley )
725  Other / Meta / Re: Remove signatures on: April 22, 2018, 10:40:04 AM
an other input:

1. what do you think? would the amount of users decline after signatures would be disabled?
i think yes.
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I have another idea for the signatures, it requires less mods but a bit of programming.
Let's make a central platform for the signature campaigns and let's make the signatures prevalidated in the forum.
I mean, if someone wants to run a signature / bounty campaign, then:
1. hires a trusted campaign manager
2. validates the signatures (can be different from junior to legendary)
3. the campaign manager enrolls the users, who will automatically get the signature of the campaign
4. the mods have to focus only on the dedicated users of the problematic bounty /signature campaigns
5. If someone is spamming the forum, mods can remove the signature easily

I don't know if it's good or bad for the campaign managers, but it's just an idea.
It would prevent to let everyone to become a campaign manager and start to manage shady bounty campaigns. (I can imagine that today some newbie becomes a campaign manager and if he has e.g. 25 alts, then he can spam the forum with copypaste posts and take all the bounties for himself...)

So to sum up, starting campaigns would be a case of prior permission, so those campaign managers who allowed to the members to spam the whole forum would not get the permission -> less spam (ideal case).

If someone wants to have an unique signature, then it can be also done but in that case he has not to belong to any of the signature campaigns in the system.

Seems a lot of work to add manual signature campaign managers when there are better options out there as suggested by hilariousandco. Plus, without a doubt if theymos was in charge of setting who can be campaign managers then people would claim that the system is centralized and being abused. It may sound stupid, but people will claim that. The paid signature gets rid of that. It means everyone can aspire to be a campaign manager if they wanted, and anyone could make money from a signature if they are willing to invest in it.
Well, this is an understandable point of view if we think about the possible investors who want some advertisement on the forum. My problem is that they care about the forum to be decentralized but don't care about the quality of the posts they advertise with...
726  Other / Meta / Re: Remove signatures on: April 22, 2018, 10:21:22 AM
an other input:

1. what do you think? would the amount of users decline after signatures would be disabled?
i think yes.
...
I have another idea for the signatures, it requires less mods but a bit of programming.
Let's make a central platform for the signature campaigns and let's make the signatures prevalidated in the forum.
I mean, if someone wants to run a signature / bounty campaign, then:
1. hires a trusted campaign manager
2. validates the signatures (can be different from junior to legendary)
3. the campaign manager enrolls the users, who will automatically get the signature of the campaign
4. the mods have to focus only on the dedicated users of the problematic bounty /signature campaigns
5. If someone is spamming the forum, mods can remove the signature easily

I don't know if it's good or bad for the campaign managers, but it's just an idea.
It would prevent to let everyone to become a campaign manager and start to manage shady bounty campaigns. (I can imagine that today some newbie becomes a campaign manager and if he has e.g. 25 alts, then he can spam the forum with copypaste posts and take all the bounties for himself...)

So to sum up, starting campaigns would be a case of prior permission, so those campaign managers who allowed to the members to spam the whole forum would not get the permission -> less spam (ideal case).

If someone wants to have an unique signature, then it can be also done but in that case he has not to belong to any of the signature campaigns in the system.
727  Other / Meta / Re: Cleaning the Watchlist on: April 21, 2018, 09:30:54 PM
OP, if the solution is OK for you, please lock the topic before the spammers start to give you a few hundred useless hints to solve your problem again and again...
We should somehow start to spread among the users that OPs have the responsibility not to let their topic to become a spamming megathread, if someone gives a proper answer, it's better to lock the topic, because the solutions would still be accessible to everyone but spammers would have less chance to flood the forum with useless posts...
728  Other / Meta / Re: Remove signatures on: April 21, 2018, 09:18:40 PM

Some other people suggested that you should have to pay a fee to bitcointalk in order to have a signature, this will stop the spammers.

a fee would only stop the spammers if the fee is higher than the possible reward that they get with their sig. camp. so this is not really an option.
but completely disable sigs would be really a way to reduce spam.
I really don't think that disabling signatures could technically stop spammers.
I'm not sure (and I don't want to give hints to spammers) but if signatures are disabled, why won't the spammers include the signature's banner, image or text with hyperlink in the last few lines of the post like this:
 
blah blah
spam spam
copypaste copypaste
end of the post


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It measn it won't be enough to just disable the signature part of the forum, but we should introduce a really strict regulation in order not to advertise anything in the post. (I don't know if it's allowed now or not).
729  Other / Meta / Re: Remove signatures on: April 21, 2018, 09:08:02 PM
I thought my reply was at about the right level given all the discussion we've had about this.

Remove the scamming bounty programmes, not the sigs.
I know there's a SMAS group, but as far as I know, they are volunteers.
What happens if the forum introduce a new kind of membership, a campaign manager?
In order to achieve this rank, you should have a good reference from the past with several successfull signature campaigns, or you can apply for a temporary campaign manager position, and you'll have a check after each payday in the first month, in order to check if the posts in the campaign are spam or not.
This would instantly stop a huge amount of the spam, not the 100% of it, but anyway, it could be the second step after the merit system. The same would apply for running the bounty campaigns.
730  Other / Meta / Re: Remove signatures on: April 21, 2018, 08:42:55 PM

A 29 year old girl in a leather skirt with big melons who likes to punish you? I'm getting a little too familiar with your sexual fantasies here man. And I'd be willing to bet this hypothetical woman could even type in grammatically correct English.

I had to sit on my keyboard to prevent me from making the obvious reply to that. Smiley

Now for a more serious suggestion, If we introduce a segregated witness option to the forum, we can move signatures onto a parallel sub-domain. That would allow the bounty hunters to look at the signatures, and not have to bother with the posts.

Oh dear, I think I may have SegWit round the wrong way there. Smiley
I can't belive...
I can't look into a single thread without bumping into the punishments again Smiley
Just a word of advice, don't want any kind of witness for yourself when you are about to receive your deserved punishment from that leather skirted English speaker Smiley
731  Other / Meta / Re: There are many smerit holdings but not readily given. Could we punish them? on: April 21, 2018, 08:28:47 PM
I've been pondering what a suitable punishment for OP should be, right now my preferred method would be an English lesson/physical torture combo. So Op is tied to a chair, myself and jetcash are in the room, whilst I slide matches under his fingernails Jet Cash holds a basic English test for OP to read, then Jet asks the questions, spelling, grammar mainly, every question OP gets wrong I get to light a match till it burns down and heats up his fongernails. We all know OP will get 10 wrong, so after that Pharmacist comes in and T-bags OP until he agrees to Ninja style help the forum and cuts all internet connections to the Countries with the shitposting account farms.

The OP is a 29 year old female. Can we review that punishment list?

Am I allowed to post comments like that in Meta? Smiley
Well, you are tending to be a bit off-topic, and in the off topic section, you should mark your punishment topic with the [NSFW] just to be on the safe side Smiley
But to be a bit on topic as well:
I've started to comment on this forum to improve my English (and to learn about the blockchain system), and this helped a lot (I know I can still improve on both sides). I was not forced by anyone, but myself that time.
Now the merit system forces something similar for all of the users, to be able to rank up, they need to post valuable thoughts and to use proper English.

Something different:
I've got an interesting idea:
Is it possible that somebody (or a group), e.g. account farmers, are now trying to punish the forum, registering a lot of newbie accounts daily and spamming the hell out of the topics, in order to make it extra hard for the normal people to find something useful? Or this is only conspiracy?
732  Other / Meta / Re: Moving bitcoin price topics from Bitcoin discussion to Speculation automatically on: April 21, 2018, 12:35:05 PM
Thanks, that's true, some of the useful and real topic titles' also contain some of those words. In this case, there's no use to automatically move topics...
Thanks for the suggestions, I'm locking the topic in order to prevent the spam bots to gather activity points here too...
733  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best Virtual Credit Card there is? on: April 20, 2018, 09:15:33 PM
Just a little correction:
You won't find any virtual Credit card that is based on bitcoin, there are (were) usually bitcoin debit cards or bitcoin prepaid cards but not credit cards. Nobody will issue a bitcoin based credit card because if they lend you some bitcoin, they won't have any possibility to force you to pay it back anytime.
734  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin - What if governments restrict or block electricity supply for mining? on: April 20, 2018, 09:05:58 PM
I`m sure that, in the future,we will have mining farms that will produce their own electricity and they will be independent from the electricity network.Solar panels and wind turbines will become cheaper and easier to install.The mining farms will have to load batteries with the energy produced by the sun and wind,because of the inconsistency(there`s no wind and sun 24/7  Grin),but the cost of the batteries will be lower, as well.
I`ve never seen the police in my country to  discover weed farms by tracking the electricity consumption. Grin
This was my first idea as well, when I saw the title of the topic. But it's not electricity that's the nr.1 problem if it's blocked.
What happens if the government forces the internet service providers to block the protocols that miners are using to send and receive data from/to bitcoin nodes or to the network?
I know that it's possible to mask/hide/encrypt the traffic, but this is an easier method to find and ban the people using miners and the solar/wind power won't help if they check the internet usage...
735  Other / Meta / Re: There are many smerit holdings but not readily given. Could we punish them? on: April 20, 2018, 08:44:54 PM
There are higher ranks hold smerits and does not care about givimg merits especially to newbies and jr.member could we punish them so that it will be given? Literally they have high standards in giving merits or else they were just lazy in giving merits. How i wish those smerits if not given im a period of time will be deducted on their merits.
I have really little time to do some posting on this forum, so I'm trying to use my time to create useful posts, and meanwhile, sometimes if I find a post that deserves a merit, I give merit. If I don't have time to search for posts, to spend my sMerits, I can't give out those sMerits, because I won't give out merits randomly, especially for newbies...
So if you think I deserve a punishment, give it to me baby Smiley
What kind of punishment do you think will be really efficient for these kind of people, who don't have time?
E.g. sMerits, which has not been given out for more than 2 months, will be deleted? Fine for me, but is this fine for you? If my sMerits will decrease, I will think twice before I will spend the remaining precious ones, so there's even smaller chance that I'll give it to a newbie like you. Think it over again...
736  Other / Meta / Moving bitcoin price topics from Bitcoin discussion to Speculation automatically on: April 20, 2018, 08:23:46 PM
Is it possible to move certain topics to Speculation automatically from the Bitcoin Discussion thread, if the topic's subject contains the following words, e.g.:
price increase decrease, fall, surge, investment, degrading, pump, dump, 'to the moon', rising, gaining, losign, growth, 'going up', 'going down', crash, pullback, bottom, etc...
These words are from the first two pages of the Bitcoin Discussion thread, and most of the topics would fit into the Speculation tread...
This would make the Bitcoin Discussion thread more easy to follow, if someone is interested in serious news, discussions, etc...
737  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Amazon fills patent to track Bitcoin users on: April 19, 2018, 07:53:35 PM
Looks like Jeff Bezos wants to get involved in Bitcoin... the wrong way:

Amazon filed a patent to de-anonymize Bitcoin transactions and sell the data to law enforcement

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One example is a data stream that publishes or includes global bitcoin transactions (or any crypto currency transaction). These transactions are completely visible to each participant in the network. The raw transaction data may have little meaning to a customer unless the customer has a way to correlate various elements of the stream with other useful data. For example, a group of electronic or internet retailers who accept bitcoin transactions may have a shipping address that may correlate with the bitcoin address. The electronic retailers may combine the shipping address with the bitcoin transaction data to create correlated data and republish the combined data as a combined data stream. A group of telecommunications providers may subscribe downstream to the combined data stream and be able to correlate the IP (Internet Protocol) addresses of the transactions to countries of origin. Government agencies may be able to subscribe downstream and correlate tax transaction data to help identify transaction participants.


Amazon wants to get his nose into the coins of the users, so you can already see how things will work if Amazon ever accepts Bitcoin, they will attempt to track everything and sell your information, just like Facebook.
This is a very interesting technique of hedging against the price volatility...
They accept bitcoin, they will make some money from bitcoin users' purchases, but they will make much more money from selling the data of the bitcoin transactions and the personal data of the related users.
This is a kind of problem with online shopping, you have to give out your personal data (real name, shipping address) to get the things you buy... and Amazon knows this, and knows that this data is more valuable than the other stuff they sell...
738  Other / Meta / Re: @Admins: Merit not working as configured, trolls just don't care (no surprise) on: April 19, 2018, 06:30:30 PM
I kinda agree with Carlton Banks.. I believe bitcointalk has reached a stage where everything has been answered... most of these posts by newbies are repeats.. Like how to export wallet key etc.. They keep on repeating the same stuff.. They need to learn how to use the search function.. Plus the general discussion section gets spammed with shit posts which are repetitive and are in broken English, which ruins the reading experience for other users.. Like if you believe you have something super important to add to the discussion which has been missed by other users then happily pay a 500 Satoshi fee... Also i kinda like the repayment idea.. Like if your reply gets merited you get back your 500 satoshi.. This can work and can do wonders for this community.. But on the other hand i believe the merit introduction has been working wonderfully.. So far the posts i have read have been less shitty.. So by giving it more time it will eventually give us the same result..
What if we don't allow newbies and jr. members to open a new topic everywhere, just let them to open a new topic in the off-topic section? (this is not my own idea, I have read this somewhere, but I like this idea).
(Newbies can buy copper membership, if they really want to "grow up" earlier...)
They will have to use the search function, if they have a question, not randomly open a new thread for every type of headache... and if they don't like the forum's own search function, they still can use the google one, like searching for "bitcoin price increase /site:bitcointalk.org" and voilá....
If they find the proper topic (because as you have mentioned, 99% of the newbie questions has already been answered, most of them several times in several topics), they can still ask a question there, and it would be on-topic post, so it would improve their posting habits as well...
739  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: IMF Chief Christine Lagarde Second Blog Post regarding Crypto's on: April 18, 2018, 09:51:55 PM
I agree that she has so much influence because of her position, but I don't know if investors will suddenly pump the market with her statement. She can't really takes side on this one, she is merely pointing out the advantage of crypto which we all are aware of. Let's see how it goes, her statement is like 2 days ago and prior to that we have been seeing some gains so I don't know if her statement have huge impact so far.
It's about crypto, in general. But I think they won't do anything with bitcoin or ethereum, if they want to help the governments, they will develop their own crypto and they will force the countries to use that crypto when it's about an international transaction. So despite of this statement is not against bitcoin directly, it's not supporting it either.
740  Bitcoin / Hardware wallets / Re: Ledger Nano S has been lost! on: April 18, 2018, 09:26:17 PM
Hello guys i lost my ledger nano s how do i retrieved my funds bitcoin and ethereum. I keep my 24 phrase key in my computer.
If i buy a new ledger nano s i will recover my funds or not?? And i want to know they have online recover for ledger nano s?
First time when you have started the Nano S, you had to write down the seed (the 24 words).
If you have those words on your computer, you are fine (but I won't store the seed on an internet connected computer, anyway).
You have to buy a new Nano S and start to set it up, but instead of letting the Nano S generate a new seed for you, you have to use your existing 24 word seed.
Try to google, how to set up a new Nano S with an existing seed, e.g.:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3335348.msg35031143#msg35031143

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