ok thanks for update. arjan sent me 20,000 coins. i have them in 1 input ready to stake in 5 hours though bed soon so will try in 10 hours.

just out of curiosity im starting to think that stake issues are large inputs. bittrex isnt staking to my knowledge so wallet likely fine as just send and receives. i bet there is some wallet change code using int data types or the like associated with stake routine that crashes it. the issue will be before stake called.

If you are keen to troubleshoot with me more try having 4 addresses in each put
- 60,000
- 100,000
- 500,000
- 1,000,000

export the priv keys make sure to backup. import each of those addresses into a new wallet and test stake each one. i suspect the 1 million input stake to crash.

need to test each address in its own wallet so others dont stake as well.

Ok fresh sync with only 2.5 nodes in my connect list still crashes with both old wallet.dat and importing priv key and stake.

Can you confirm you've had good stakes ever since sending coins to new address? Did you try and send back to your original address? Its the only common thing i can see now.

Can you confirm what your input size on stake was? I have one that is > 10 million coins so im hoping its not the issue with input size. Could be something simple in the wallet code breaking due to out of bounds size?

I can understand. The fork was rather rushed and sudden so it needs to be spread around a bit. Unfortunately crypto dev stuff is taken as a given but like i explained when there is no ico or premine its rather hard to place the blame on a team. Everyone wants profits i can see but im amazed that the community doesn't get more onboard with all altcoins they have in the way of actually providing a use mechanism in shops etc or private projects.

A lot of coins would have more use than btc converters if that was the case.

Its why i suggested some donations happen it could provide more value and attract devs. O well.

How did your 2.5 go off on its own fork? I thought if consensus had enough 2.5 that shouldn't happen? What can cause the fork?

Why are you getting so much net user abuse in emails? The volume on bittrex is like 0.5btc a day and cryptopia lower... i'm unsure why there would be so much anger when the likelihood is most of your users have a netcoin usd equivilant of like $5

It was meant to fork on 2.5 i thought though.. so isn't that normal behavior. Or do you mean it didn't stay on correct chain?

Good point though if the information is publically posted by them is it not a dox? Wouldn't it be sufficient to list the usernames e.g. Huey blah blah? The intention is not to map real names to positions but more to show what each ionomy team member does?

What i question and still don't know is who is making gravity? Who has the coding experience... who is the actual wallet person? To me the entire team make up on the site haven't got actual output roles against them

With gaw we knew mordica was the data center man, garza was ceo etc. Not saying ion = gaw just demonstrating that roles were known.

i don't understand that last part... fuhrers of cryptopia may jerk off? let them be happy? what do you mean

Just a query on this as not sure if its correct as i saw mention of an 8:1 trade coupled with an atom. Maybe someone that did a change can verify... was their a requirement to use atoms in conjunction with the 8 xpy or was it a flat 8:1 xpy for anyone? Also was the ico accepting xpy from any address or only from their xpybits site as i think this is important to mention as it shows only a conversion was done from their past project hence a small selection of people were included in this offer.

Also suchmoon can we have added to the faq something like
Q: Who are the team members and their roles
A: Adam matlack (leader, ceo whatever), fred (coder), jane (gravity coder).

As this shows particular people and their talents. Even if it can be added they will not say or haven't responded to answer on question. I know there was someone earlier that responded to my question on who uses the ionomy handle on the forum. I can't remember their role but i don't think it was programmer.

Maybe another one on
Q: Have any ico funds been shown to be used yet outside converting to USD?
A: There are bounty programs listed but there appears to be no actual documented use of said funds yet.

this is the correct chain and the one bittrex uses so don't fear. If you want to test it send 1 netcoin to bittrex to validate. my staking crashes but its a wallet issue that i can see that im working on but i was able to send to bittrex fine.

A lot of load on the node? Ok ive done programming in the past but its all gui stuff sys admin scripting and c++ apps so im not fluent or i'll admit even moderately knowledgable on peer to peer stuff and bitcoin crypto in general with respect to source so have patience with me on this but

can't they just ignore accepting of the peer when it looks to add to its node list if its a node less than 2.5? surely at the stage where its listening it just rejects? Im not understanding on what load that would take. To me seems more load burden to reject the orphan blocks and process that stuff.


As to the code encouraging Arjan is doing a good job for where he's at. He's a great guy to chat to and while i don't know him in depth he's always been helpful. Netcoin to me has a great staking concept and im glad they reduced the third year apr amount to stop crazy inflation. Honestly Arjans doing it for fun with what free time he has and im sure we could get more expertise onboard if everyone donated a portion of their stake to a fund. I'd like to see netcoin get more adoption and be listed at poloniex. Unfortunately this sort of dev and listing won't happen unless more independant community members work with teams towards it. I think its sort of expected by everyone that when you grab some coins of any altcoin that its the teams duty to keep updating at their cost. Normally i'd agree here when there are premines and icos and all that other garbage that is manipulated now a days but netcoin didn't have an ico or premine. So basically the team use their own time and money.

Arjan in a pm to me mentioned he paid his own funds to have someone setup a dnsseeder for it.

I think if we want netcoin to continue growing we should all consider donating to an address arjan runs and uses so long as the fund use is transparent and shown. It wouldn't be much for everyone to donate 5% of each stake to this... in the long run if you donate 5% and get more than that in dev value we all benefit... thoughts?

Below are the pms i received from arjan (arjan is tepelstreeltje) with my issues. I hope he doesn't mind me sharing



He offered to send me 20,000 netcoin to try to fix for myself. If you're all interested i think they have a skype channel. Jump in and contribute. In the end the coin is the communities and can benefit for all assistance. Not too many POS coins around with normal interest rates that work in a passive staking nature as opposed to having to dick around with block sizes and compete.

because 2.4 wasn't a mandatory update so 2.3.1 worked fine... 2.4 cleaned interface up and removed irc stuff thats it. However now since 2.5 with hard fork and bittrex runs correct chain all those 2.3 and 2.4 users are on the wrong chain and staking for nothing.

Can the new client be made to just ignore the all peers less than 2.5 the orphan warnings aren't helpful.... peer wise it would be great to just ignore those nodes.

Have you actually achieved a stake doing this? Can you please tell me how many coins you had as your input as mine are really large.

Did you use a fresh wallet.dat? I did this and imported keys and got an error but that was without resyncing from only 2.5 nodes.. im 20 weeks away from full resync to test. Can you answer the above questions please it might help arjan to fix the wallet code for others... it should be a simple swap overall to not cause hardship to people less techy.

You'll get a way bigger than normal stake when its fixed. Granted we miss the compound for that time but don't fear too much. Bittrex is on v2.5 chain so i wouldn't be using v2.4 at all.

Mine is doing the same and Arjan the coder is looking into it. I've been pm'ing him. It happens for a few people. Maybe we can gather some info.

1. What operating system are you using?
2. How many inputs in each of your addresses
3. How many coins in the largest input?

At present i am resyncing the blockchain from only 2.5 nodes and i am going to try a stake after backing it up at that point. If this fails im going to try and import the priv key. If this fails arjan is going to send me 20,000 netcoin to a new wallet.dat address to see if this works.

Its working for the majority there must be some small thing causing us issues.

Yeah i noticed the orphans in the debug log. The crashes i have were from 2.5 when i click unlock and it tries to stake. I downloaded the entire 2.5 blockchain from the start with v2.5 and then copied my wallet.dat in.... im wondering if there is an issue with old wallet.dat? im importing the private key now but a bit stumped on it and why it crashes on stake.

is the bootstrap a current 2.5 one for the complete chain? up to what block?

obsolete nodes shouldn't cause a crash on unlock and stake though should they? What will obsolete nodes do in the grand scheme of things? Shouldn't they be ignored by the 2.5 client anyway?

My 64 bit wallet crashes on unlock. It appears when it tries to run a stake it crashes.... is this a known issue with a fix coming?

What chain is bittrex on? i thought it was 2.5 after i imported a key and sent on 2.5 wallet... but then my 2.4 wallet picked the transaction up as well... wasn't this a hardfork? Maybe im not understanding the fork stuff enough. I thought once a hard fork initiated others that stayed on the old had a different chain but both get it? Even with different blockheights by around 2000 odd.

Presstabs explorer that you guys paid for is also appearing to be on the old blockheight 2.4 version.

Any chance of some consistency and updates? If bittrex ends up in the wrong one it won't be fun being the only exchange...

Its not baiting its an actual valid question. It seems to be a pattern here people make statements and when its questioned as to how they arrived at that statement the usual response is no i won't tell you if you can't figure it out for yourself or i don't give my secrets away etc.

I provided the percents taken and legitimately enquired as to why one would give that money to ionomy when they can take the profit themselves. I asked what ionomy gives for that 30% in cost value and you replied 50% of 10 or 20% of 1000 which is not correct. You mentioned tripling profits but didn't explain it.

My question isn't a bait because someones opinion is it is. So i'll pass it to you again to answer it. These questions answered do help those that want to invest as it shows stats that might make it a good position to take.

korvas can you please answer this? you stated triple revenue but no justification.

percentages do keep the lights on. lets take $100
- with only apple 30% thats $70 to you
- with apple and ionomy thats $40 to you.

as you can see with the lower percentage your lights can stay on almost twice as long. can you please address my questions. its not baiting its valid rational questioning.

Your 50% of 10 or 20% of 1000 makes no sense. Regardless of volume apple takes 30% .... ionomy wants another chunk as big. So its actually >50% of 10 or >50% of 1000. Its the same as its a percentage... more volume doesn't mean more money percent wise.

Any dev would be better to pay 30% of profit to apple and keep 70%. Please state what "value" people get for the 30% ionomy wants. They already get apple exposure and can advertise through networks on per impressions ingames now. What is ionomy giving? You are a bit vague in your saying triple their revenue by monetizing new gaming element. Can you show how this figure is obtained as at present its an unsubstantiated claim. You can't just say can triple without showing how. THis is false information without justification.