ok so there we have it. tvbcof is a copy and paste conspiracy nut now following the alex-jones styled cultish narrative.

why is it that tvbcof swaps one cultish conspiracy nut influencer for another

is there no chance of tvbcof ever having an original independent thought, or is this forum doomed to just read repeats of something he saw elsewhere and is just rehashing their script

i mean he says he believed the deaths were real for a few minutes. but then..
.. after watching a bitchute video from a conspiracy cult..
.. and suddenly 'placement of cams were a give-away to me'..
sorry tvbcof but they were not a give-away, you were suggested it was fake and you then became brain washed(again) by another conspiracy cult to think it was staged, by your own admission.

do you even read the words you say

you say you thought the murders were real +1
you then watched a bitchute -10
you then thought it was fake-100
you then thought it was your own thought that it was obviously fake -1000

you are at minus 1110 compared to reality.  and its not even your own independent thought thinking it.

i have no issues with charities that aim to do disease research, but i always find it best to do my own research on how much % of a donation actually gets to the research labs and the clinical trial frontline

some charities/foundations can be as low as 5% that gets to be used in the actual area of research/trial they advertise, whereas 95% ends up wasted on the salaries of non-lab executives and their pampered lifestyle.

so if and when you are willing to donate. research which charities is actually supporting their cause the most and not supporting their executives cruises the most

and lets clear up some thing..
the badecker NHEJ of the spike causing cancer claim

so fact is
the full length spike of THE VIRUS can mess with cell damage repair. not the s1 s2 spike of a vaccine.
so vaccines dont cause cancer [side note, risk only for a few cell life cycles]

wow that was an easy badecker debunk

secondly having the vaccine as the 'first infection' to teach the body how to fight means that non cancer risking method to teach antibodies is even now by badeckers prompt proved to be safer than someone that gets infected by covid as first infection.

so even more reason to get a vaccine. so body can then, when getting covid after vaccine can fight covid fast and not get covid to a point where its messing with cell nucleus.

yep vaccine first then covid means covid will be battled off before it gets into the cells to cause as much damage compared to people who get covid unvaccinated

also badecker is revealing that covid is more dangerous than the flu and more dangerous than the vaccine.. so thanks badecker you mentioning the NHEJ and people actually reading the real research from source have now learned that

the only way badecker can be a pure blood. is to remain a virgin living in a sheltered accommodation with no visitors and eating only food he produces in his own personal greenhouse with purification equipment. and only water sourced from a purified. meaning living in a bubble to never ever get infected by anything

i originally thought badecker was a darwinian of only the strongest survived, but adding in his holy beliefs i now see he is 'only the virgins survive'

[sarcasm]
ok school kids take a gun to school. cop:"your 17, its ok. and you even get to kill your teachers. because if they dare disarm you, you can kill them for free, as thats now defense".
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sorry but someone with a gun is not innocent of 'rittenhouse did not provoke them'.... HE HAD A GUN!! there was serious provocation

needless to say that they were unarmed and so what kind of life threat could he have received that equals them getting shot
[sarcasm ]'he had a empty carrier bag i had to shoot him as i have a huge phobia of plastic'
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saying an unarmed person offers a large enough threat that a armed person should shoot them is just opening up loopholes for abuse later..
there should be an equal use of force.. EG if someone fears a fist fight.. then fine use fists back. not get out a fully auto machine gun and blitz the other persons guts across the road

[sarcasm]
'yes officer my wife handed me the wrong beer, i thought she was poisoning me, so i shot her'
..'thats ok sir, you didnt know that she changed brands just to save a bit of money, your innocent'

'yes officer my wife was talking to another man. i thought she was planning to kill me so i shot her'
..'thats ok sir if you beleived she should be hiden in the kitchen instead, then you have the right to kill her'

'yes officer my wife forgot the milk in my coffee, i feared injury so i shot her'
..'thats ok sir your innocent, wives should be trained to pour the perfect coffee or expect death'

'yes officer my wife was using her cell phone. i thought it was a gun so i shot her'
..'thats ok sir, i make that mistake with all the black people o drive by.'

'yes officer, my wife came back from the store with a grocery bag. so i shot her'
..'thats ok sir, plastic is a real environmental problem how dare she use plastic grocery bags. killing her helped the planet'
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silly thing is .. guys that have no self assessment of whats a real threat. no patience to assess situations. no logic or mindset to manage their emotions, should not own a gun..
but 'coz america' its not an eye for an eye if 2 people have equal weaponry and offer equal risk to each other then fine duel it out.. instead its a 'i believe my life is at threat so i should kill'

no wonder depressed bullied kids end up shooting up their school if thats the lessens america want to teach kids.. [sarcasm]'its fine if you feel like you were threatened, shoot them'[/sc]

back in my day, if you get punched.. punch back. NOT grab a gun and shoot them

its not 50% of vaccinated people end up in hospital.. because ireland (5mill pop) has a 92% vaccination rate. and i guarantee you of the 4.6mill vaccinated.. 2.3million of them have not been sent to hospital

what you are finding is that covid during lockdown pre vaccine only had a 0.2-0.6% per week population infected with covid. as restrictions relaxed this went upto 2%
(shows self isolation did work to dampen the spread)

so lets take this 100,000 infected people per week(2% whole population).
unvaccinated has a 15% hospitalisation rate
and so if 8% are unvaccinated.. thats 8000 unvaccinated and infected.
meaning 1200 unvaccinated hospitalised(15% of the 8%)

as for the other 92,000 vaccinated infected only 1.3% hospitalisation rate also would equate to 1200 vaccinated hospitalisations .. meaning 50% of all hospitalisations

proving that the vaccine is over 90% effective. because the vaccinated population is only a 1.3% hospital risk instead of a 15%

do you get it yet.
unvaccinated people are in low population but have high risk rate.
vaccinated people are in high population with low risk rate

so maybe try to include the math of how much general population is vaccinated vs unvaccinated when trying to deal with the hospital stats so that you have context

its soo funny

he is showing a 15x multiple since the S9 release
which was september 2017..
ofcourse the hashrate is going to rise OVER 4 YEARS!!

but here is the thing.
from september 2017 to say may 2020 when s19's came about.
the hashrate still rose.. because thats the nature of bitcoin security
periodic small increases over time no matter if new gen are created or not
in that period of 65 difficulty jumps/hashrate rise..
it went from (your underestimated 6exa) to 120exa.. so for your benefit lets call it 20x

but each fortnight period of just s9's was not 20x it was it was 0.3x
now again your belief is that next gen asics offer the oppertunity to ramp up hashrate
so from may 2020 to may2021 26 periods it went from 120exa-176exa
this again is not some 15x or 3x or even 2x heck its not even 1.5x
its actually even LOWER fortnight growth rate than the 3 years fortnight-rate before the next gen was an option

thus again proving that next gen evolution does NOT cause extra growth beyond the normal growth

so please stop with the rhetoric that next gen efficiency means more asics beyond the norm

the actual reality is when they take off hundreds of old gen, they only put in a few dozen new gen
because.. and this is important
they dont want to shoot themselves in the foot by ramping up difficulty/hashpower too fast

oh and i actually do have an asic. i now use it as a foot stool. i have also visited some asic mega farms prepandemic too. so go take your chest beating hypotheticals to some place where your trash ends up and then try to do the math before acting like a know-it-all, because its getting real easy to debunk your hypothetical assumed guesses.
even if you quote websites (which have a small print that say the words hypothetical assumed guesses.)

as for stompix [his reply below] trying too hard to thump his chest thinking he can climb some non existant bitcoin social hierarchy.. . lets just debunk him one more time
the s9 v1 was short lived. most people went for the s9SE or the s9i which offered a few extra thash for the same kwh. the real efficient s9(SE) wasnt released until september.
but hey it now seems stompix doesnt want actual details. he just wants to create social drama.
just a shame his posts come with small print of assumptions guesses and hypotheticals
(and to pre-empt stomix.. the limited amount of hobby miners may have had the 13thash first version. but majority of farms had the more efficient higher thash version of the s9(released later))

anyways, moving on.. have a nice day folks

not true at all
mining pools dont want to shoot themselves in the foot ramping up mining and jumping the difficulty up by 2X+ as soon as they upgrade their farm with next gen asics

no matter if its an upgrade or just a passage of time using current asics. mining pools will always only want to increase the difficulty by a few percent per fortnight.
emphases they still want to increase hashrate even if the asic generations dont change

by having more efficient asics does not mean hashrate jumps. because again for emphasis they want to keep a low hashrate progress to not making the difficulty spike

what you do find however is if we were to be on GPU mining and asics were not invented. the electricity usage right now would be much much higher. so infact ASICS has helped reduce energy usage.

this is proven by the recent upgrades from the s9 to the s19
s9 uses 1.4kwh and s19 uses 3.25kwh..

when an asic farm upgrades and say (easy math numbers) takes 232 s9 offline (325kwh)(3248thash)
they did not put on 100 s19 (325kwh)(1100thash) to have same electric bill
because if they did the hashrate and difficulty would jump by 3.38x

no where within the whole history of the last 2 years has the hashrate/difficulty jumped by 3.38x of the hashrate/difficulty of 2 years ago

so if your theory even had a small chance of being correct. you would see 2 things
1. difficulty changing from 13t to near 44t
2. hashrate changing from 94exa to over 310exa

well that never happened.
the max we have seen is, difficulty 25t and hashrate 176exa

so your theory is busted

also
if you think that there has every been a scenario where people could home hobby mine.. you are limited in your scenario thinking.
heres a thing you are missing
the reward is only 6.25btc.. meaning only 625,000,000 shareable units per block

with transaction fees being over 100sats that means you can only really split a block reward with under 6 million people. just to give someone 1 free unspent sat. when they want to move their value after receiving it

 even if you want to pretend that a pool accumulates 100 blocks before paying out a combined transaction. people will only get 100x of the fee(translates: pay 1% fee to receive reward). so its still not worth it for more then 6 million people to be mining at any one time as it will cost many %
it has and always will be the case that not everyone will get to mine. there just isnt enough slices of a cake to share with everyone at the party
 
so please give up the notion that there ever was a chance that home hobby miners could have been a thing for everyone to get involved in. (therre is never going to be an 'all invited' party with unlimited cake for all)

and one last thing. its not a 'datacentre' thing. asics hold no data. . its a asic mining farm
yep mining farms are going to remain.. thats life. accept it
have a nice day

see. this proves you dont know the answer.

if you are doing a trade with someone else. then YOU are the seller/buyer..
you are not the middleman agent of 2 other people

grocery stores are not brokers just because they receive money
grocery store customers are not brokers just because the hand money to grocery stores

and no. handing money to your dad to get him to buy a mcdonalds for you on his way home from work is not a broker either
it has to be a business offering a service for a fee to take your money and do something with it for another person (aka financial custodians aka MSB)

heres an example.
you are buying/selling something on ebay.
you are not a broker whether your a buyer or seller.
ebay is not a broker. its the retail/advertiser
paypal is the financial broker
more precisely its financial accounting department, which has a special policy written up that fits the SEC requirements to be an MSB

the human software developers that made paypal (elon musk + original+current IT team) are not a broker
the physical server and human IT technician contracted to maintain paypals server are not a broker
every employee of paypal does NOT have to do AML/KYC on paypal customers


its funny. because it seems you and your buddies are trying TOO HARD to try to make the law imply that it does involve developers, miners and node users. as if you want it to imply it involves them.
you have a very weird way of trying to twist things to make it seem like it implies it

if you were really against it. you would be trying to explain how the wording does not even mention anything to do with developers, miners, node users

oh wait i forgot. you do want to imply bitcoiners are brokers but at same time stay silent about your altnet 'routers' as being a service for a fee that takes responsibility of routing payment for others.. hmm now why are you very silent about your favourite (alt) network, whilst being very loud about your assumptions that the law does apply to all aspects of bitcoin...
(im being rhetorical, i already know why. no need to reply)

instead of replying with the obvious answer.. how about do some research on the SEC and how they handle and regulate the policies of MSB's.. you will learn alot

satellites in space cannot get licence plates or face recognition
its not a issue of lens technology. .. its a issue of angle
all they can do is see if you have any headlice ON YOUR HEAD and if there is any dirt on the TOP OF YOUR CAR

yes ISP may record websites visited and metadata of those websites.. but its not like someone is actively watching you in real time. they just collect it and if you do something in the future to peak their interest into looking into you, then they can look at the current and history of their archive. but to put simply unless you are doing something to peak their interest. no one is actually looking at you right now
however if you already are a criminal or plan to do something criminal. then how about. clear up your friggen life and stop being a criminally inept idiot.
if you think your criminal act is more important than someone knowing about your private life. how about realise your criminal mindset is the fault

no country on the planet can afford to have cops watching everyone all the time. so dont panic. but at same time if your doing something your not suppose to be doing that you dont want people finding out about.. maybe try not doing it

(1) wow so kyle managed to do a criminal records check and psychiatric assessment on a guy weilding a carrier bag.
.. reality is in a world of 2 people one with a gun and one with a bag.. the guy with a gun cant play victim.

(2) so if trump asked you to break into capital hill.. ud do it, no question
so if someone asked you to jump off a bridge, ud jump
so if an adult drug dealer asked a kid to be a drug mule/street hustler, its all fair and no criminal act occured involving the adult dealer
maybe the adult that owns the car dealership should also be prosecuted, much like how a husband hires a hitman to kill their wife. or a gang leader employees kids to do the street deals.

(4) unarmed people chasing an armed kid. and your not asking why they are chasing him and trying to take away his gun
whats next a kid walks into a school with a gun and if the teachers try to disarm the kid before he shoots, the kid gains rights to kill everyone('coz they tried to take my gun from me)... um no thats not how real world, morals, logic and laws work

(5) did you hear the testimony where the kid who shouldnt have a gun , had a gun.. and was waving it around at unarmed people.
are those unarmed people suppose to be happy and content with being threatened when they were unarmed?

(6)unhinged mob?
a unarmed guy got shot and other people wanted to disarm him
i dont think you are noticing the morals
if someone shoots an unarmed person. the rational act is to disarm the one with the gun. not treat the only person with a gun as a victim


seems in gyfts local neighbourhood if you want to get away with murder. you have 3 loop holes
1. claim a carrier bag was a threat to life
2. play victim if anyone tried to disarm you, saying being disarmed is a defensive reason to kill anyone that tries
3. pretend you done a criminal record check and a medical check on anyone trying to disarm you, saying you killed them because they are a criminal you knew about before shooting them

in a rational world away from gyfts neighbourhood.
if someone with a gun points it at unarmed people, its the unarmed peoples right to defend themselves

1. rittenhouse was underage and shouldnt have had a gun
2. a business called him to protect a dealership. pfft. any mature adult would not phone a kid with no security experience to drive miles to another town to protect a property thats not the kids
3. rittenhouse(a kid) again for emphasis should not have even been in the town let alone with a gun

4. if throwing a plastic bag is a deadly threat.. then massacres are going to be more common

5. after shooting someone for throwing a bag. ofcourse its going to escalate where people seeing this will start to give chase to stop the immature idiot from killing others.

6.. so lets get this straight.. the defense once to say
someone throwing a non lethal object is excusable to get shot with a lethal object. and then when other people try to disarm the idiot shooter. they are fair game to get shot too... sorry no.
idiot kid should have surrendered. and took his punishment.

you do realise that sharing production with other countries has been a thing for decades.
did you know that things like coal and nuclear dont just produce instant energy. so times where nations have a sudden surge of demand the power plants cant instantly supply because it takes 30mins-few hours to turn on extra reactors, power plants.

i remember a few studies years ago that power stations used to see surges of energy at things like commercial breaks of top-listing tv shows. where people watching tv would use the commercial break to put their kettle on and warm some food in a microwave. causing electric grid companies to have to buy in other nations 'excess' to keep the electric flowing.

this buying in process takes milliseconds to get the electric flowing. and has been seen as a FEATURE of the national grid system not a problem.

the buying and selling. importing and exporting of energy is normalised and seen as a every day thing.
so while you think its a fault, and an exception against the rule. the reality is that its normal.

another thing you need to realise is. renewables are still an infant. countries are still expanding. we are not yet at a point where all countries have enough capacity to have a nice buffer of excess to cover all situations. but thats another reason why they call for a deadline of 2050 and not 2025

so in short. expect a future where countries will share their electric. not as a fault. but as a feature..
right now the UK is laying out a large electric cable from the UK to north africa. and using africa as a base for solar farms to give power to the UK. .. so get used to the idea of an international grid

just like custodial exchanges are not a blockchain or a 'your key your wealth'situation.. sidechains and altnets that bridge to bitcoin via utxo locks do have some niche.. but those supporting such things need to be clear about the pitfalls and limitations and lack of security of their alternative networks

too many sidechains and altnet fans pretend their network is bitcoin or has the security of bitcoin. or call it things like layer 2 to pretend its part of bitcoin.. without ever daring to be honest about why its not bitcoin

the altnet and sidechains need to express that its different to bitcoin and explain what users can lose/risk when using such networks

there has been too much buzzword play happening trying to offramp users away from bitcoin to these other networks without having the brutal honesty about what these other networks can and cant do.. too much over hype, too much over promising. and even more so too much pretence that its better than bitcoin.

if these altnet and sidechain fanatics actually wanted loyal and true honest utility of their network. they should be honest upfront. and let the user decide to take a chance fully informed.. and not be feared into using another network with fud about how bitcoin is broke and cant be fixed. and then find out when on the other network they are stuck being required to 'trust' other people to sign transactions on their behalf and be at the whims of other peoples ability to host them, sign for them, or have the funds for them to hop payments around

so to put it short.
yes sidechains and altnets have some niche.. but those sidechains/altnets better be clear about what they can and cant do and what makes them different to bitcoin.. even for the reason why they even exist.

everyone knows exchange database is not the bitcoin ledger even if they display a graphic user interface of a token of the same name. and the same needs to be true for sidechains/altnets. explain the differences and risks. dont lie. hype about the comparables

make it clear the real asset is being locked up on bitcoin. and the other network is playing with other units of measure, pegged/backed/divisible of the locked asset

bitcoin circulation is fixed release supply. set amounts per block.
peoples usage or choices do not affect this.

there is a separate statistic (bitcoin rich list) that shows the amount of coins held in large wallets
these wallet belong to exchanges.
and the % of coin in these large wallets compared to % in small wallets can kind of reveal how much coin is in the MARKET
coins held by exchanges do affect the price and mindset of peoples decision to buy or sell
however the other 18mill coins loose in random wallets do not affect the markets

to legally be able to offer sanctions. they first need to ban it and then offer licences/permits with rules, which if broke come with penalties like sanctions

IN-BEFORE-NEXT-COUNTRY

ALL countries will have to ban/prohibit bitcoin.
why
because its the only legal method to then have control of licencing/permits of use of bitcoin within institutions.

a bank does not have permission to offer investments in bitcoin unless it has authorisation from government
a government cant offer permission unless it first took away the use of it.

its the same thing as alcohol prohibition
prostitution prohibition
gambling
and many others

they cant regulate, licence, insure, police something until they first ban it.. then they have control of who they can allow to use it under their licence.


take the NY bitlicence
they had to ban all bitcoin activity in NY .. and then just months later offer the bitlicence..

your wasting your time. he is not
he pretends to be and gets his friends to hint that he is. but he isnt
he is the parrellel of CSW.. a wanna satoshi.
adam back has not tried to go full CSW, but he has tried to lay out some hints via his friends that he could be, ultimately to pretend his blockstream company owns bitcoins

but ultimately the truth is, he is not satoshi.

the person that invented bitcoin took many idea's from many people. not in some active consultation group. but more of a patch work of idea's from different people from the 1990's to 2008. and the person that is satoshi patched them together into a unique and inventive and inspiring form.
one of these patches was adam backs idea, like many other peoples ideas. but adam back was not involved in bitcoin nor were the others.. adam didnt know his idea was being used until satoshi contacted him to inform him his idea was being referenced as a part of bitcoin after satoshi already put the pieces together

adams idea is not bitcoin. nor was it much unique. bitcoin could have still been invented if satoshi referenced another persons similar idea. (principles of hashcash were not unique to adam back)

it has never been about carbon neutrality..
most of the chinese mining since 2014 has always been on hydro, where they buy the excess.
(thus not impacting the residential supply)
this whole banning thing is standard politics.. you cannot regulate something and licence/permit it/control it unless you ban it first and then you can make rules about who is acceptable to use it.
its as old a story as the alcohol prohibition era. the gun laws(pre 1700). the war on drugs.
ban first the regulate permits

yes china dont want hobby miners in residential neighbourhoods blowing the local circuits of their street. but to permit large farmers using allowed excess electric. they first need to ban it to gain the control to make allowances.

take wild west america. when anyone could have a gun.
they had to ban guns in certain states to then offer gun licences

to topic creator

your relative got scammed twice
once by the scammer that promised guaranteed profits (obvious scam)
once by a company pretending to be a bitcoin 'chargeback' company but as we all know thats impossible. they instead scammed your friend out of money for a basic bitcoin explorer 'taint' image which anyone can do in 5 minutes
(they offered no chargeback)

in life.. many words of wisdom have been said..
if its seems too good to be true, its a lie
no one gives you money for nothing
if they can make profit they dont need your money

yes your relative got scammed by a fake investment scheme.
yes the chargeback company is not a chargeback company, as bitcoin has no such feature
yes your relative lost alot of money

there is no chance of you getting your coin back unless you take an exchange to court and legally prove you were scammed for them to legally take balance from another persons account
(if chargeback company was indeed a chargeback company they would have done this on your behalf)

and under your same logic. it does not mention mining development nor node users

again miners do not effectuate transfers.
please buy a friggen asic and try to find the hard drive/ram that contains transaction data

as for your blindness... it never mentions miners, nodes or developers.. although you think it does
it does mention 'responsible' and 'on behalf' of which you think it doesnt


it does not say anything about accounting historic transfer data
it does not say anything about software development by volunteers
oh and in fiat world. a cheque clearing house is a separate business to a bank. and the cheque clearing house that validates checks in batches never does the reporting. the bank(custodian) does
so please do some friggen research on the real world not what you read on twitter
oh and also in fiat (real)world the software developers of visa, cheque clearance houses, and banks are not brokers.

so try to read.. and then do research on actual money service businesses
this is the multiple time i have asked you to do some research and the multiple time you have played ignorant thinking your right 'coz twitter'

if your life revolves around auto-belief in twitter messages. then your just as bad as the flat earth trump 2020 crowd.

oh and also learn a bit about bitcoin (not your altnet pretending to be). you know learn how transactions work. like learn about signatures. then realise to effectuate a transfer means having signature authority to effectuate transfer
meaning to have responsibility to effectuate transfer on behalf of someone else you need to be a custodian

the quote is about businesses that do transfers for others.. again learn about custodians aka money service businesses..
the quote is not about individuals signing their own transactions.. again meaning not node users. its, if you read the quote businesses that offer a service on behalf of others.. aka custodians(because they have the private key of funds belonging to others)

.. please do some research beyond what you find on twitter campaigns. it might help you learn something