I know some local areas in the UK. Outside of that I don't know. I believe they limit it to how many items you receive. eg. 5 a month. Also, if someone is willing to pay, then you're box will be taking away from you.

The other way, would require you to pay for shipping fees. Basically you give them a address, which they send to. Then from that address you can request for it to be shipped back to you're address. (It keep Bitcoin users knowing where you live).

PO Box is most likely the best way. If you don't mind giving you're address without it being linked with you're username you could just send them a email using tor browser and tor email service.

But, I would recommend a PO Box, they are relativity cheap these days. Some are even free.

How in the world did I fall for that....Kudos for you sir!

Awesome news. I'll be buying a few hardware & spare Ipods and I will then invest in you. You make me some money! lol.

Yeah, he does have the 'power' to mute and anyone. It's his site. But, that doesn't mean it's right. I'm not sticking up for the OP. I'm just saying that if you can do it, doesn't mean you should.

This is how websites have failed, they get a bad reputation for being rude and unprofessional, therefore people are not interested in immature operators. But, I personally think TF has done what most people would have done. He should now question the mod and look into the history. If he could post some type of log to try and resolve this issue that would be great. I know he might not want to do that, but if he could it would be good.

He's most likely looking into the situation. If he feels he has treated you bad, then he will apologise, but if he doesn't then that is fine.

That's why I said 'some' . I have never actually played that game. I have heard reviews and they are normally good. I might just look for that on amazon or where ever I can find it.

I have had experience with Xbox 360, and the whole Playstation franchise. It's strange that I finally converted to Xbox, but that is not because I preferred it, it's because of the amount of my friends who were on it. To be quite honest, I think they are both the same. They both have their faults but no comparison to the Xbox One. The Ps3 has always ran faster and lasted longer for me. Hey, I still have my phat ps3, which I bought 3 days after release. Still running fast and smooth. I mainly like Ps3 because of it's OS, I Linux. Xbox has always had a bigger fan base, mainly due to the amount of people that use microsoft, as microsoft is the leading OS for regular computer users. People like to stick to what they got, people don't like change.

Personally, I didn't like the look of the Kinect, Now that I have heard that the microphone and cam will always be on, WHAT? That's a privacy concern isn't? I think microsoft is trusted, but I don't know...One thing I really used to like about the Xbox is the controllers, they are very tough and durable, unlike the ps3's.
I tend to squeeze quite hard whilst playing on the console (Don't know why, PC I don't squeeze mouse).
I have gone through around 3 extra Ps3 controllers, which weren't cheap at the time.

But, PC is the way to go. Hey, some people say "Once you go PC, you'll never go back".


If I had to choose, it would be the Ps4. I might yet get it, but may wait a while for the price to drop and to hear reviews.

I'm looking to buy Ipod touches which are either defective in some way or have damaged/cracked screens.You may ask why? I'm going to be replacing the screens or the necessary parts and use them for a project which I'm going to be developing.

I would like for you guys to post you're ipod touches with details of it's faults and pictures of the device. I will be offering what I think it's worth.



I'm willing to do Escrow. Either through John K or @ Bitmit.net



Please contact me either through private message or posting below, thank you.

I've been into PC for years now. But, I have always liked consoles for playing with family & friends around the house. You know have a few beers and play on the xbox/ps3 for a few hours. Or, sometimes we used to have flat out gaming sessions.

You can always trade here on the forums, you normally get better deals and competitive pricing. One warning though. Search up the history of the person you are dealing with. Always use escrow in services like this. Try to avoid using paypal and credit cards because of the potential threat of them doing a charge back.

Obviously, some exchanges allow you to do this, I'm not sure if you have tried these in the past and had experience. But, these are the most common way to converting BTC to USD and USD to BTC.

If you want to purchase things with Bitcoins rather than going through the process of converting it, then you should check out bitsumo.com. Enter the url of you're item and they normally order it within 24 hours and get it shipped to you.
If they can't fur fill you're request they will send you you're money back within 48 hours I believe.

There is another site called bitinstant.com which I believe offer the same service, however I'm a bit sceptical of this site, as it has had mixed reviews.

Second this, every time I need to show a customer a domain, and design. I always use these guys. Very easy to set up and manage within minutes. I also give people live demo's through this site and I have been doing this for the last few months. The data plan and all that stuff is pretty good for a free host.
If you are creating a website which you don't expect a lot of people to visit, then these guys are for you. I haven't tried their plans & prices, I have only used the free option. But, I'm guessing they still have competitive pricing and specs.
Their support team is amazing, always sorted any problems I may have had during set-up (Normally my fault). Obviously they aren't there 24/7 but they are pretty much there when I needed them.
And, all this is on a free account. They seem to value free account members the same as paying members, except for data allowance.


+1 to these guys.

Maybe you should try to explain why, without all the arguing. It looks like the damage has been done though.

Not really. Capitalism has been failing since the start. Look how messed up the world is.


So, out of interest who is considering buying either one of these consoles? And who is converting to PC instead?

That is a quote taken from the product description on amazon.com, so I'm assuming not.

Yeah, I think the term 'pussy' is widely used to imply someone is a coward.

The price is still pretty steep if you compare it to a PC. Consoles are made of the same architecture of PC x86. Which I consider old technology, consoles have always been a step behind for obvious reasons. They wanted to be dedicated gaming machines back in the days. They are now turning into multimedia crap.
In fact, the xbox looks just like a tablet, has the same function as a smart tv and a tablet, just with better processing speeds and better graphics etc.
So why in the world that much? What gets to me is the speculation price of games. JUST WOW. For a game I expect to pay so little, it's not as big as the console but it's like 1/4 of the price.

In comparison to the consoles, I believe sony will absolutely destroy xbox, maybe not in sales. But in quality of GAMING, because that's is what a console is for, in my opinion that is.
Microsoft are letting their self down, xbox as been leading for a few years with their consoles, but they insist that we want multimedia. But, why? What happened to customers always right? Well this is a potential customer speaking, reduce you're god dam prices and make me a dedicated gaming console please.

The only reason I used to like playing consoles, is you can have co-op on one thing and have you're family & friends around to play a game. You've got to think of the broadband that the kinect is going to be using. If you have a rather crap download and upload speeds then microsoft made a rather stupid and rude quote: "If you can't afford internet, then you can't afford the xbox one". Well, it was something along those lines. I could find it if any of you are interested.
How awful is that? Note to microsoft, I have been a previous customer with working internet and paying for you're online subscription, so why in the word would you say I can't afford it when I have the last few years? It's because of their stupid accessories which they are adding on to the console.
WE all know how much of a flop the kinect was, I have friends which purchased it and never used it more than 20 times, why? because it's not very responsive and just...not right.
Don't get me wrong the ps3 tried the same with playstation move which I also didn't buy or like the idea of.


I think I have mad emy point clear that I will not be paying for the next Gen consoles, because they are rather disappointing overall.
At least sony has the sense to allow pre owed games.But they both missed one factor, backward compatibility, yes it's a very hard procedure to do and is very time consuming. But, I know that part of the future jailbreaks will be emulators which will allow you to play games from ps2 etc.
Remember the big hit mega drive? huh, yeah. Well that got a emulator on ps2. Yes, it was buggy. But at least they tried (modders that is).

I guess some people just don't get along, lmao. It sounds like this escalated quickly. I'm not sure if that is all the conversation, You or him must of said something really minor and it just escalated from there.

I've never heard of a Rick Roll IRL, but then again we are from different places and different places have different meanings for almost everything.

People make up crap all the time, don't ask me why. Maybe it was his way of asking to protect his wallet but didn't want to sound like a noob...in some strange way.

Anyway, Op. HAVE you been in contact with anyone recently? I mean here on the forums or skype etc. Have you downloaded any files recently from untrusted sources?
Viruses are increasing now that Bitcoin is becoming more popular, that's why having a offline computer is better.


That's true, but why would he do two transactions if it were a thief? that doesn't make any sense. Obsiously to gain access to his wallet in the first place he must of been pretty intelligent, unless the OP made a silly mistake. Or, he followed a script. But, even then going undetected, he must of been tech savvy at least, as the majority of Bitcoin users are. I'm not saying that makes you smart. But, it just doesn't make any sense to leave anything behind.
If you were on a island with not having food for days and found a few melons, would you take them all and store them safety to stop animals eating them or would you take a few and leave some?

TradeFortress get's a lot of stick from other members. I have run into him before, he seems all right to me. Runs a fe successful websites and holds a lot of others Bitcoin. Maybe you two had a misunderstanding. But, it always seems it's the same people battling with him. He's trusted and a very well known member of the forum.
I'm not calling you are lying and not saying that he didn't do anything to piss you off. But, maybe the situation is a misunderstanding and a heat of the moment thing.

I don't think many people will be buying prelaunch. They want to at least see the site working and generating them a little income. Anyone can create a site like this which claims to do this and ask for membership. I'm not saying it's a scam, but I'm trying to warn people before paying for a membership pre-launch. If the site launches and everyone likes it, then maybe you should consider it to support the site.