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8561  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am I the only newbie just buying bitcoins? on: March 15, 2012, 01:39:53 PM
Are any real people near you? Check here.

btcnearme.com/

Didn't know about that site... how wonderfully simple it is.  Breath of fresh air compared to many of the other "near-me" BTC sites.

Registered there as a seller, just to encourage that site.
I like the simplicity of this site also. And, P.S. You do not have to fill in your email address to see others in your area. Just leave it blank. You can also enter a place name like "London" instead of a zip code to see peers in that area.
8562  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am I the only newbie just buying bitcoins? on: March 14, 2012, 04:59:06 PM
Are any real people near you? Check here.

btcnearme.com/
8563  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: Am I the only newbie just buying bitcoins? on: March 13, 2012, 02:32:35 PM
Forget mining. What about selling something, or providing a service?
8564  Economy / Services / Re: Bitcoin Song [5 Bitcoin] on: March 13, 2012, 12:05:11 AM
 Cheesy That song actually had flow!
8565  Other / Off-topic / Re: How to reduce terrorism. on: March 09, 2012, 08:13:05 PM
I fear we missed our opportunity to take the high road. It would have been so much easier to address the legitimate concerns that terrorists latch on to. Economic unfairness, policies that end up hurting regular Muslims.  Instead we decided to play the hand they dealt us. ...Stupid.
The Base had very few friends on 9/11. They were seen throughout the Islamic world as nut jobs. They made ridicules claims about the USA. "They want to steel your oil and turn your women into sluts and kill you." No one believed it.
Terrorism is an effective technique for goading someone into an irrational overreaction. GW Bush obviously did not understand this and did just what the base wanted. He launched a child like war against a people he knew nothing about. A lot of innocent people got killed, un-holly oil contracts were signed and, despite the fact that Afghanis did not want it, we decided they need to treat their women differently. What a fiasco.
Today the base is more powerful than ever. You will not hear this much, but it is true.

Love, friendship. That is how you fight terrorists. War is how you make terrorists.
8566  Other / Off-topic / Re: Consciousness on: March 09, 2012, 07:57:38 PM
Did you watch that video yet?
no Embarrassed  but i will, i promise.

Fascinating stuff guys.

I like to think there is other life out there. However I am not down with the UFO nuts. If some lander ever found a life form in space, my first question would be; Is it DNA based? If yes then I would assume it is related to Earths life forms. Perhaps part of a panspermia system.
If it is not DNA based I would tend to think that life is all over the universe and that there are many paths to achieving living status. I would also think that wherever life comes from is deeper than chemistry. Maybe life is a sub-atomic/quantum phenomenon?

I have a lot of reading to do.   

8567  Other / Off-topic / Re: Consciousness on: March 09, 2012, 03:06:06 PM
I think it's most likely life arose multiple times independantly on the early earth, but then one form was best and completely out-competed the others for resources. I've got no data for that though.


Here is something to think about. You probably learned in school that you think with your brain. signals are sent along neurons and processed by vast arrays of cells. That makes sense, but it can not be entirely correct. Consider the amoeba. It is a single celled organism with no neurons at all. Yet under my microscope I can watch them hunt, avoid things, even make choices about what to do next. How?

F#(K if I know???
 

Amoebas will move along chemical gradients towards food and away from deleterious stimuli. Their responses to these things are pretty much (ignoring epigenetics for now) hard coded in their DNA. They have receptors on their surface that change conformation in response to binding external molecules, the internal portion of the receptor then has a different most stable conformation and thus begins a chain of reactions (with all sorts of feedbacks) that alter the cytoskeleton giving movement. This is well known, so what exactly are you looking for an explanation for?
I also doubt that life on Earth is a One-off. Since planets and stars everywhere look similar, why should life here be special? Maybe it did not even start here.
What I want to know about the amoeba is... Is it conscious? Or perhaps, when is the benchmark of consciousness crossed? A human is clearly conscious, an amoeba could be considered to be; but what about a chemical reaction? My guess is that consciousness and what makes something alive are closely related. 
P.S. Don't get me started on the epigenome! Wow, there a lot of undiscovered knowledge on that topic!
8568  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Am I the only one that doesn't stand for the pledge and the national anthem? on: March 09, 2012, 02:42:57 PM
I stand for the pledge. But if there were a rule saying I had to, I would sit with my back to the flag. This is what being an American is all about.  Smiley
8569  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FBI arrests of LulzSec on: March 09, 2012, 02:39:48 PM
I hope Sabu understands that he is now subject to his own rhetoric. He should not be forgotten or forgiven.

 
8570  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Obama The Dictator: I don't need congressional approval to wage war. on: March 09, 2012, 02:36:18 PM
A "new world order"? Oh, I would love that! In fact any sort of order in the world would be great.
8571  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sheriff's investigators release initial findings on Obama eligibility on: March 09, 2012, 02:34:30 PM
WTF? Oh, yes election time. Send in the clowns! Roll Eyes

And I thought this place would be full of agorists....

I had to look up agorists.  Embarrassed
My "clown" remark was in reference to trotting out the birther issue just in time for election season.
8572  Other / Off-topic / Re: Consciousness on: March 08, 2012, 09:29:31 PM
Consider the amoeba. It is a single celled organism with no neurons at all. Yet under my microscope I can watch them hunt, avoid things, even make choices about what to do next. How?

Well aren't basically the molecules inside the Amoeba reacting with molecules in it's environment? Btw I'm a huge layman when it comes to biology and chemistry and I basically know only as much as I was taught about it in school and seen a documentary or read an article since..

I did however understand what that synthetic cell really was or how it was made but still to me it shows one important thing which is that the crucial molecules needed for life are nothing more than the right chemicals organized in the right way. I wished this stuff was open source and freely shared, I'd bet we'd have a lot of answers very fast.

Also, did you see this TED talk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LMrzdk_YnYY To me it was really really revealing as to how we should think about consciousness. It gets especially interesting from the 11min mark forward.
Even a PhD. in biochemistry would not answer our questions. That is what I like about this topic. The true, spooky unknown. I'll have to watch that video when I get home. Thanks for linking to it! Cheesy
If we did succeed in making a living thing, it might be only the second time such an event has ever happened in the history of the universe. Or it may happen in every solar system.  Shocked
8573  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Sheriff's investigators release initial findings on Obama eligibility on: March 08, 2012, 08:09:40 PM
WTF? Oh, yes election time. Send in the clowns! Roll Eyes
8574  Other / Politics & Society / Re: FEMA: The Founding Fathers were terrorists. on: March 08, 2012, 08:07:57 PM
I have to say that I mostly agree.

1. People who are dedicated to their cause and beliefs are dangerous.
Such people are dangerous, and that is one of the reasons I support them. Only people who have an awful agenda need to fear ideas. Ideas spread when they have merit and that is a threat only to wrong doers and hypocrites.


 2. The passionate revolutionaries who started this country are terrorists and should be looked down upon.
They did practice terrorism and shockingly cowardice battlefield tactics. Sniping from the forest, refusing to march in a phalanx. Hell, they were called terrorists at the time. Just like the Taliban all that will go away after a victory. The difference between a terrorist and a hero can be no more that who wins.
8575  Other / Off-topic / Re: Consciousness on: March 08, 2012, 07:40:15 PM
Hmmm have you heard about the synthetic cell? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyAOepIU6uo

Plus aren't you incorrectly describing how life is theorized came to be by saying "a molecule became alive" but rather that once upon a time certain molecules started chain reacting with each other and they still do today?
Well, Venter's project did not create life from non life. He created a molecule that, like DNA, can be read by a living cell. This synthetic DNA is then placed into the body of an already living organism. As the code is transcribed a hybridized organism is created. Kinda cool, but not a true second Genesis.
As to your other point, your right. "A molecule became alive", may be to crude a description. But a chain reaction is also not sufficient to explain what is going on. One of Hammeroff's interesting observations is finding "ordered" water in the cells of plants. Quantum effects can create ordered water and could be responsible. I can't defend all this research, it is just to early to know what is being discovered. This rabbit hole could be very deep indeed.

Here is something to think about. You probably learned in school that you think with your brain. signals are sent along neurons and processed by vast arrays of cells. That makes sense, but it can not be entirely correct. Consider the amoeba. It is a single celled organism with no neurons at all. Yet under my microscope I can watch them hunt, avoid things, even make choices about what to do next. How?

F#(K if I know???
 
8576  Other / Off-topic / Re: Consciousness on: March 08, 2012, 04:24:29 PM
Isn't life just a long string of chemical chain reactions causing other chemical chain reaction causing other chemical chain reaction causing other chain reactions ect..? And death would then be simply the end of a string of these chain reactions that run out of some sort of fuel..?
Can you expand on why you find this difficult to explain?


That's what I learned in school. However life's secret chemical formula has yet to be discovered and the whole theory is under increasing attack. There is something missing from that concept and even thermodynamic law comes into question when you posit a chemical reaction that does not seem to be subject to entropy.
It may still turn out to be a runaway chemical reaction. It's just not known. The only thing that seems clear is that once upon a time a molecule became alive, and it still is.  It has diversified and now includes potatoes, giraffes, mushrooms, germs, and you.  No one has ever been able to reproduce this phenomena, or even explain it. Does it happen all the time in the universe? Does it always lead to consciousness? Is consciousness even in our bodies, or do living thing just tune into it?
These questions may not be answered until we can create life from non-living material.
8577  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How recoverable is a wallet? on: March 08, 2012, 02:35:48 PM
Thx for the reply.
I asume this also implies that you cant use the same wallet on different computers.
That is correct. The wallet.dat is like a real wallet. Lose it and you have lost the money inside. Put it in another install of the client, and it is like putting it into a different pocket.

Sorta Smiley

The wallet.dat actually contains a collection of private keys - every key that you have with coins attached, and a pool of about 100 "future" keys. Each time you send money, you burn a key. If you copied your wallet.dat to another PC, at first both PCs would be in sync. After 100 transactions on one or both PCs, though, the keys being used would not be in the other's wallet.dat, thereby branching your PCs into two distinct wallets, with only those coins that had not moved since the original pool of 100 keys was used up in common.

Thus, you can safely back up your wallet and restore to another PC - but you should back up regularly, as an old wallet doesn't have your new keys in it.

I despise the concept of a "wallet" - it's just a file of private keys. From the context of the bitcoin network, "wallets" don't exist - only transactions, which are based on the application of a private key.
All true. But I didn't want to get into the weeds and confuse a simple question with a alien answer. I try to imagine I'm explaining it to my Mom.  Wink
8578  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: What happens if... on: March 07, 2012, 08:58:32 PM
I hope someone does try this. I will sell mine for $1000/BTC.
Of course that will leave our hypothetical rich guy with all the coins. At that point they will be worth nothing.
8579  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: 1st bitcoin transaction=scammed-- fire sale on: March 07, 2012, 08:24:45 PM
Just a note the original poster. Don't take it personally that everyone is suspicious of you. It is just that you are not known yet.
8580  Other / Beginners & Help / Re: How recoverable is a wallet? on: March 07, 2012, 08:23:59 PM
Thx for the reply.
I asume this also implies that you cant use the same wallet on different computers.
That is correct. The wallet.dat is like a real wallet. Lose it and you have lost the money inside. Put it in another install of the client, and it is like putting it into a different pocket.
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