A couple of questions need to be answered about this one, for example:
What happens if I fit into the priority category, and I also have trade ins? which category to I fall into?
How are the random people chosen?
One of BFL's threads states that Trade-In customers which fall in the 1/3 of natural priority will be served based on their natural priority (chronological) So, the second 1/3 in the scheme assigned for Trade-In orders should be exclusive from the first 1/3, but have it's own group chronological order. thanks for the info I added it to the OP streblo I also added your info and changed the post - I appreciate you taking the time to fill me in on this if nothing else this thread at least puts all this information in one place, I am sure enough people care about when they are getting their ASIC's for this to warrant its own thread so they can easily find out how the shipments are being made. |
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Here's the policy clarification again: http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/The initial orders will be grouped into a batch prior to shipment. This will ensure no one is an unfair beneficiary of disproportionate hashing power. Having said this, we only have so much production capacity and the initial order group will still do very very well. That being the case, here are the rules we will stick to in releasing these units. 1/3rd of the units will go in order priority of purchase date. 1/3rd of the units will go to trade in customers. 1/3rd of the units will go to random orders placed in the first month (6/23 - 7/23). Both priority customers and trade in customers may benefit from random selection prior to their natural shipping order. Refunds and charge backs: All sales are final unless we fail to perform. That includes both performance and shipping targets. 60 days past target and we'll happily refund your purchase. If you would really like a refund anyway, just ask and we'll probably be able to take care of you. Nonetheless, we reserve the right to handle it on a case by case basis. Thank you for that, not sure why they show that URL with /products/ there is nothing about this policy on that page or any other page I can find. It would be nice if things like this were on the website, I tried to have a conversation with BFL-Josh today but I think he went afk before he could answer my questions. oh and by the way ice-chill your still on my ignore list and I still dont give a crap about anything you have to say. |
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Just a couple tips for you guys, I had 2 Icarus, and two CM1 boards running on my PI. One thing that is crucial is a good powered USB hub, the next is a good Power Adapter. The power adapter solves the random crashes with cgminer and losing usb ports. I don’t know about the BFL's or modminer but my problem was mostly the Power Adapter.
You can get the best power adapter from Adafruit.com
I guess I should add I currently have 2 Icarus, and 1 CM! running at 1.3mhsh or 16.5 U over for 4 days with the new Power Adapter on my PI.
Thanks for this information! This weekend I will be putting together a large amount of ModMiners to ship on monday so I will test the limits of the PI and let you know. |
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BFL has stated the ASIC units will be shipped according to the 1/3rd-style plan. Although I am all for FIFO. The other thread was discussing if BFL should wait to ship units, thus shipping them out as a large batch, rather than a smooth delivery as they are made. I understand the 1/3rd plan is what they were discussing most recently however they have not made any kind of official statement or promise on how they are going to do it and they have not hammered out most of the details. That is why I created this thread/poll to get them to finalize things and give us an official statement of how they are going to do it, and also give a venue where customers can voice their opinions and offer suggestions on the best way to do this. |
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in the spirit of doing something to help instead of just bitching about it: I have created a thread dedicated to the topic of the BFL Shipping plan https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=102040.0and I also created a poll which I encourage you all to vote in maybe it will give BFL the nudge it needs to nail down a fair shipping plan thanks! |
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Quote from: BFL on June 27, 2012, 08:49:33 AM Here's the policy clarification again: http://www.butterflylabs.com/products/The initial orders will be grouped into a batch prior to shipment. This will ensure no one is an unfair beneficiary of disproportionate hashing power. Having said this, we only have so much production capacity and the initial order group will still do very very well. That being the case, here are the rules we will stick to in releasing these units. 1/3rd of the units will go in order priority of purchase date. 1/3rd of the units will go to trade in customers. 1/3rd of the units will go to random orders placed in the first month (6/23 - 7/23). Both priority customers and trade in customers may benefit from random selection prior to their natural shipping order. Refunds and charge backs: All sales are final unless we fail to perform. That includes both performance and shipping targets. 60 days past target and we'll happily refund your purchase. If you would really like a refund anyway, just ask and we'll probably be able to take care of you. Nonetheless, we reserve the right to handle it on a case by case basis. Apparently this is the plan they have although there are still some details that need to be hammered out 1/3 - 1/3 - 1/3 planfrom what I understand this plan goes like this; they take the total amount of stock they have when they are ready to ship it and they break it down into thirds. The first third is shipped in first come first served fashion The second third is shipped to those who are doing trade ins The third third is shipped to random people
A couple of questions need to be answered about this one, for example:
What happens if I fit into the priority category, and I also have trade ins? which category to I fall into?
How are the random people chosen?
One of BFL's threads states that Trade-In customers which fall in the 1/3 of natural priority will be served based on their natural priority (chronological) So, the second 1/3 in the scheme assigned for Trade-In orders should be exclusive from the first 1/3, but have it's own group chronological order. If nothing else at least this thread has this shipping plan in a place where it is easily found. Feel free to discuss it, its a good opportunity to give your suggestions and feedback in one place about this shipping plan |
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We explicitly want to avoid a difficulty spike, which is why we are wanting to release as many units we can at once, so no one has a marked advantage. The demo unit business is not set in stone, I am just trying to get a feel for how the majority of the people want to handle verification that we have the hardware we claim to have. I don't want to get into another situation where people are crying scam or what not.
If BFL is concerned about difficulty spiking then perhaps send the first shipment when you have X percent of the current total network hashrate ready to go. BFL would then know almost exactly what the impact to the difficulty will be and even better would be to have the community be involved in the decision as to what that percentage will be. It seems BFL wants to reward early adopters by giving them some advantage, which is fair in my opinion, but not so much that just a few people can monopolize the network while it is still at a relatively low difficulty. WRT to the demo units, if the devs are restricted to using them only on Testnet, then what incentive will they have to spend their valuable time running tests? Either BFL should pay them to test/prove specs/develop software, or have no such limitations on their use of the units. These devs have already put so much time and effort into the Bitcoin community that, I for one, welcome them getting a brief head start as a reward for all of the time they have already spent helping the community. again more suggestions and more confusion. This is why we need an official statement from BFL as to a concrete plan for shipping the ASICs The 1/3rd idea is not horrible, it needs to be described a little more in detail and made official - that way we will all know where we stand, and it wont just be up in the air. |
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Even though Cgminer/BFGminer does not use a lot of cpu resources, it appears that the arm chip on the RPI is not enough to mine with more than one fpga device; At least not with the software we have now, I am able to get 1 single ModMiner Quad to run very very stable on a RPI but with more than 1 unit things get a little flaky. As far as I know I have not heard of anyone getting more than one FPGA based mining unit to run on the RPI but I could be wrong. I am sure it would be much more efficient if someone wrote a specific mining program for the RPI instead of just taking what we currently have - that is traditionally run on Intel/AMD based cpu and compiling it for the RPI. btw: if anyone wants a copy of bfgminer for the RPI - pre-compiled you can download it here: http://btcfpga.com/files/linux_binaries/bfgminer-2.5.0-pi.tar.gz |
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Yes, a website overhaul/update is definitely one of the priorities I am currently working on. Contrary to some of the naysayers, better communication is my top priority. I'm juggling a lot of balls right now, so each one is moving slower than it would if I could focus 100% on it, and hopefully I don't drop any. If I do, someone pick it up and throw it back into the mix, please.
I am glad we agree about the website, but as a customer I would really appreciate it if you could please let me know the official statement status of the 1/3 shipping plan as I asked in my last post. thanks  |
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yeah dude theres no way it will run 9 singles
I would be surprised if you get 2 to work.
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Dear Tom,
Yes.
Sincerely,
BFL
XXOO
Thanks for the hugs and kisses! Also on a serious note is there some place I can view an official statement on this whole 1/3 shipping scheme you guys are planning on doing? I have looked through this and other threads and can only find sporadic and vague statements. If there is an official announcement on this can you give me a link? Or if there is not an official announcement can you make one? October is right around the corner now and it would be nice to know for sure what your plans are for shipping. I am not trying to bust your balls but its a bit confusing, and the last news update on your website is from november of last year :/ There are plenty of people around here you could hire to do web site updates for probably $100 a month (or less) and I would be willing to bet your customers would probably pay that persons salary just to know for a fact what is going on. Thanks for your time. Tom |
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how many mhash do these units currently get?
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how many singles are you trying to run with the RPI?
Try it with just one and see if its more stable. I have never tried it with Bitcoin force singles, but the ModMiner Quad and was only able to get one modminer to mine with any kind of stability with the RPI
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FIFO order portion will be on the date the order was paid. If two orders were paid on the same day, the lower order number gets priority.
If we send out demo units, it will only be a few Jalapeno's, which won't amount to more than a few tens of GH, not enough to affect the network hashrate in any appreciable way. We explicitly want to avoid a difficulty spike, which is why we are wanting to release as many units we can at once, so no one has a marked advantage. The demo unit business is not set in stone, I am just trying to get a feel for how the majority of the people want to handle verification that we have the hardware we claim to have. I don't want to get into another situation where people are crying scam or what not.
People have already sent you the money and they are still ordering.... BFL has stated they would ship their products before the end of October, so just produce and ship Who do you need to convince that you have the hardware ? Dear BFL: If you do send demo units can you please send them to Developers who are going to use them to better the mining software and not just people you think are popular around here? ...Like the way you did it last time... that was very lame. thank you. -Tom |
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Looks like ck.kolivas.org is unreachable : $ ping ck.kolivas.org
PING vds.kolivas.org (204.152.221.100) 56(84) bytes of data.
From 67.215.251.141: icmp_seq=1 Time to live exceeded
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Verified on http://www.downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ck.kolivas.orgServer being relocated. Server is back online. All the files were unintentionally lost by the host provider, so I have had to upload from backups. Thus there will only be a limited number of downloads available, and only binaries from the latest release. I'd apologise for the inconvenience, but the inconvenience to me is far greater... ckvoilvas I highly recommend you move your hosting to BTCWebHost.com, we are the oldest and most trusted Bitcoin accepting hosting provider in the world. You will never have to worry about anything like this happening again and best of all you can pay in Bitcoin. -Tom BTCWebHost.com Bitcoinwebhost.com Bitcoinwebhosting.com BitcoinVPS.com |
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If that person gets his BFL ASIC shipped to them in October - I will have my picture taken dressed in a butterfly costume and make that my profile picture  |
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Hi Because of issues with other currencies and my credit card processors, I have removed the ability to change the currency, I would google for a currency calculator to find out how much it is. yes I charge a flat rate of $30 shipping to everyone, sometimes it cost me less sometimes it cost me more but it all evens out in the end For Germany I use DHL International express - its much better than USPS in your country. Thanks Tom |
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