EDIT: So after trying out the GPU that causes the BSOD, i got immediately it again.
First after starting up rig, my rig freezed up, and had to PSU restart, then second time i got a BSOD - System Service Exception
So i guess i'm fucked and its a faulty GPU, right ?
yup most likey i had this on two of my rigs, had to pull the trash gpus out |
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My original post updated today, with today calculation, so anyone can see with numbers, what happened in the past 2 months. OP what would you say to people who haven't got ROI?
I really can not give you or to anyone else any advice  Im writing about my own experience, and try to prove my words with numbers. By the way I can't understand one thing: You aren't someone who affects network a lot, so why do you still mine ethereum while you can mine more profitable coin and exchange it for ethereum?
I have many rigs, hosted different places around the us, i have around 100 gpu hosted in my own " mining cave ", i dont want to deal to changing algos. All of my rig vga bioses are specially tuned to mine ETH by me, they are very stable. If you fine tune your bios to mine ETH , then its probably going to be unstable on other algos. So by the time im switching all my cards bioses , fine tune them to a perfect hash/power ratio for other algo, fine tune then for stability, paying the exchange fees , paying to send exchanged coins to my wallet from exchanges, dealing with possible instability, i decided just stuck to mine ETH  This is how I bios modded my cards , fine tuned them one by one to mine primary ETHMy goal when im "fine tuning" cards, hex editing bios is always highest efficiency / less power usage ( low as much as possible) with the highest MH/s and best stability i have 300 gpus all tuned for eth and i still rather mine xmr, they are lower hash than untuned cards but xmr uses far less power than eth so its still a better bet to get off eth at these basement prices |
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So I took stock of my pdus using SRB and converted all my rigs to Team red to see the power use differences
hash rate is only 5 to 10 percent better than srb in most cases fo my rigs since i use very low core on all my rigs.
I will report power difference but In the mean time i have two rigs , one is a R9 nano rig and the other a mix of rx480 and rx470s and a few 580s that constantly either reboot or freeze using team red ( they ran fine on srb)
This was using cnv8. , I might try cnheavy and see if they can stabilize on that.
I tired stock settings as well as 7+7 , to no avail , other than disabling the cards one by one to see if its a single unstable card killing the rig , is there any other way to figure out what is going on here?
Hi! We don't officially support the R9 series though, only RX550-560, RX470-580 and Vegas. Interesting if you get it working at all . For your mixed Polaris rigs it's hard to say. We do have a different power draw profile in this miner, over time we typically draw less power than other CN miners, but we do have aggressive transients, it goes from low to high power draw in a very short period of time, albeit just for a little while, then back to low power draw again. In a multi-gpu rig, when this transition happens for multiple gpus at the same time some PSUs can't keep up. I personally think many issues with rigs hanging randomly after a while are due to this. We have a finished 2.0 design ready that should be major improvement in this area, but it's all about time time time. We'll get there though. For the time being, it would be interesting to hear if disabling a card or two or tweaking your clocks/volt helps with the problem. I do believe pretty much all of our users have arrived at stable setups in the end, but the power draw profile above means that many times rigs trimmed for SRB or JCE don't behave 100% well with TRM out of the box. Thanks for the response, Power supplies are not the issue since I use 2k server power supplies for the Fury Nano rig and 1600 watt psus on the rx rig. Ok that’s strange that you don’t support r9 furys those are tahiti right? I have a second fury rig that works fine with team red, nice hash rates too 850 per card with -15 power limit. So I do know r9 nanos work with team red. My clocks for nanos are 915 core and stock memory at 500 Ill try an either lower power limit first before disabling cards using -d flag btw in future releases can you have the gpu order to be the same as what overdriven tool uses? and maybe even display mem clock and core speeds similar to srb , that helps troubleshoot since I can see what physical card i and tweaking. one trick i use is set slightly differt core or mem to help identify cards: i.e 1130 core vs 1131 core for example Running TRM on SRB settings is not a great idea, esp if you run high-eff/low-voltage setups. As kerney explained, while TRM does use less power on average, the transients can cause problems - not just for PSUs, but also (and probably more commonly) for highly tuned GPUs. I have had to bump voltages at least 10+mv from SRB settings for most of my GPUs to cover these spikes (but have also been able to dial up core clock significantly as well.) *Now that i'm writing this, I'm wondering if maybe you can set a lower power limit value, to force GPU throttling during spikes, rather than always running at the higher voltage. The spikes are pretty frequent tho, so maybe counterproductive... well its only two of 30 rigs with issues i might just leave them on srb , but tey your suggestion on next downtime |
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Thanks for the response, Power supplies are not the issue since I use 2k server power supplies for the Fury Nano rig and 1600 watt psus on the rx rig.
Ok that’s strange that you don’t support r9 furys those are tahiti right? I have a second fury rig that works fine
with team red, nice hash rates too 850 per card with -15 power limit.
So I do know r9 nanos work with team red. My clocks for nanos are 915 core and stock memory at 500
Ill try an either lower power limit first before disabling cards using -d flag
btw in future releases can you have the gpu order to be the same as what overdriven tool uses? and maybe even display mem clock and core speeds similar to srb , that helps troubleshoot since I can see what physical card i and tweaking. one trick i use is set slightly differt core or mem to help identify cards:
i.e 1130 core vs 1131 core for example
Yep, a server psu at 2k should not have any problems with the power draw profile. We support all GPUs with the necessary GCN3 instruction set, so Fiji and Tonga cards could/should work, it's just that we have done zero testing ourselves. Tahiti, Hawaii and earlier just isn't possible for us to support, we don't have the dev bandwidth. Afaik OverdriveNTool uses bus order, so if you add --bus_reorder you should get the matching order in the miner. You can run the miner with just "teamredminer.exe --bus_reorder --list_devices" to verify the order and compare with OpenCL as well. We also have the clocks from ADL/sysfs, but we only pass that data over the API currently. We should really add some keypress commands so we can display more stats around the cards, it's a bit crowded in the periodic stats output right now so we opted to not include coreclk/memclk/voltage there for the time being. We could do an early init dump right before mining begins though with that data, could be nice to get yet another way of verifying the gpu order when using your trick of unique clk values per gpu. -bus_reorder sounds like a winner Ill give that a shot thanks, yeah adding that to the early init dump would be fine as well, I run so many mixed rigs, 480s , 470s 570s, 580s all with 4 or 8 gb mixed the init dump similar to what claymore and srb do with the clock data included would help sort things out for sure. any chance you will be adding cn-heavy and cn-tube ? also your main page/faq doesn’t give info on expected hash rates for the other algos ? i.e rx 580 8gb ~ 2mhs phi2 etc thanks |
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So I took stock of my pdus using SRB and converted all my rigs to Team red to see the power use differences
hash rate is only 5 to 10 percent better than srb in most cases fo my rigs since i use very low core on all my rigs.
I will report power difference but In the mean time i have two rigs , one is a R9 nano rig and the other a mix of rx480 and rx470s and a few 580s that constantly either reboot or freeze using team red ( they ran fine on srb)
This was using cnv8. , I might try cnheavy and see if they can stabilize on that.
I tired stock settings as well as 7+7 , to no avail , other than disabling the cards one by one to see if its a single unstable card killing the rig , is there any other way to figure out what is going on here?
Hi! We don't officially support the R9 series though, only RX550-560, RX470-580 and Vegas. Interesting if you get it working at all . For your mixed Polaris rigs it's hard to say. We do have a different power draw profile in this miner, over time we typically draw less power than other CN miners, but we do have aggressive transients, it goes from low to high power draw in a very short period of time, albeit just for a little while, then back to low power draw again. In a multi-gpu rig, when this transition happens for multiple gpus at the same time some PSUs can't keep up. I personally think many issues with rigs hanging randomly after a while are due to this. We have a finished 2.0 design ready that should be major improvement in this area, but it's all about time time time. We'll get there though. For the time being, it would be interesting to hear if disabling a card or two or tweaking your clocks/volt helps with the problem. I do believe pretty much all of our users have arrived at stable setups in the end, but the power draw profile above means that many times rigs trimmed for SRB or JCE don't behave 100% well with TRM out of the box. Thanks for the response, Power supplies are not the issue since I use 2k server power supplies for the Fury Nano rig and 1600 watt psus on the rx rig. Ok that’s strange that you don’t support r9 furys those are tahiti right? I have a second fury rig that works fine with team red, nice hash rates too 850 per card with -15 power limit. So I do know r9 nanos work with team red. My clocks for nanos are 915 core and stock memory at 500 Ill try an either lower power limit first before disabling cards using -d flag btw in future releases can you have the gpu order to be the same as what overdriven tool uses? and maybe even display mem clock and core speeds similar to srb , that helps troubleshoot since I can see what physical card i and tweaking. one trick i use is set slightly differt core or mem to help identify cards: i.e 1130 core vs 1131 core for example |
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So I took stock of my pdus using SRB and converted all my rigs to Team red to see the power use differences
hash rate is only 5 to 10 percent better than srb in most cases fo my rigs since i use very low core on all my rigs.
I will report power difference but In the mean time i have two rigs , one is a R9 nano rig and the other a mix of rx480 and rx470s and a few 580s that constantly either reboot or freeze using team red ( they ran fine on srb)
This was using cnv8. , I might try cnheavy and see if they can stabilize on that.
I tired stock settings as well as 7+7 , to no avail , other than disabling the cards one by one to see if its a single unstable card killing the rig , is there any other way to figure out what is going on here?
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I've probably made more money flipping gpus than I ever have mining. Both have been good to me, though.
The best time to sell GPUs is usually when they are sold out everywhere and you can demand a premium on them. However that usually means you are better off mining with them instead, so why sell? Right now, its very difficult. Basically being offered $50 USD for a used RX 470/570 and every buying keeps asking "Did you mine with these GPUs?" Very tough market out there right now with second hand GPUs. A RX 470 was cheap originally and so getting $75-100 USD doesn't seem like a bad deal, especially since it ROI'd a while back. However I feel bad for the people who are trying to unload a bunch of 1080Ti which never ROI'd. If you made the money you paid for a gpu back $50 for a $150 gpu isn’t bad but most ppl paid high prices forcthose cards back in dec jan march, selling for $50 is crazy |
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Any hashing numbers
on zen protocol in stand alone mode (ie no gpu acceleration, purely the 215+ itself), around 380 mhs for a 215+ @ ~185 clocks. at ~15 watts. 2 core miner (0.11d). someone mentioned thats about what a rx580 does, dunno myself. ive clocked mine up to 191 with no issues. there is no real "stock" clock on acorns as it depends on the bitstream, but 170 (or maybe it was 150?) or so is more or less the recommended starting point for this particular bitstream. keep in mind this is alpha, unofficial software, and not officially by squirrel.. this is from gpuhoarder done as a quick and dirty proof of concept kind of thing. real numbers will have to wait for the official squirrel miner. So, still waiting on the bitstream you need to boost your gpu's? I would have thought that would have been the first released. I wonder if they must be custom for each algo, I wouldn't think so. well they cost close to double what you can get a 580 for , yeah power use is great an all but i can't see how its worth it at the current time. Especially as you need a very good motherboard cpu and ram which is not what traditional rigs conist of so you would have to upgrade a bunch of parts. It all depends on if the software is way better, say for x16 and phi |
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Is it really worth mining if you have 8 cent power however. You make a nickel a day per GPU but you risk burning out your GPUs or killing your fans. Once your fans go you will need to RMA them and pay for shipping or buy replacement fans on Aliexpress or eBay for like $20.
Hence it's better to just shut off the gear and wait until the $1/day/GPU days return, if ever.
I can’t buy that, all the gpus i had that failed failed due to heat , yeah some bad fans but only the brands with notoriously shitty fans. : xfx and gigabyte. a card can fail a month after buying it or three days, two years shutting them down doesn’t guarantee when you fire the back up in six months they will not die after a week lol. even at a tiny loss as long as its less than $500 a month i personally will keep mining, people have hobies that cost as much. plus this is winter , my cards ♥️ this weather low temps nice frosty garage lol. if they die they day /shrug |
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As much as I hate to say it, crypto needs a purge from all the shitcoins and clueless people that are in it for the quick-buck or get-rich-quick scheme.
It is 2015 all over again! You are 100% correct, IMHO: crypto isnt going away, just hitting the down side of the cycle. Lily Yep, 2015 all over again as you say. And I don't mean to be some sort of revolutionary crazy person with what I'm about to say, but here it is: Looking at the current financial system worldwide, it is evident that things are going to go to shit again sooner or later. The average Joe (by that I mostly mean the middle class man/woman) isn't able to keep their head above the water any longer. There are more and more working poors who are giving away what little they earn in taxes and other things like health insurance or education for their kids for instance. They struggle to make ends meet. Meanwhile the rich get richer because they can and the poor can't get any poorer anyway. 2008 was just a small wave in comparison to the tsunami that is coming. Who helped keep the banks afloat after the shitstorm 10 years ago? The governments. And who is more in debt today than ever before? The governments, again. The next big crisis will be that of governments (we're already seeing it, look at Venezuela or Greece). And once that happens, those governments will raise taxes and whatnot to keep afloat. This is when people will massively turn to crypto once again, when they are just at a point where they can't take it anymore, as big fuck you to the people they elected to make things better. Call me crazy but it just makes sense to me. I would say all this is true except for your last part about people turning to crypto, crypto is heavily owned by the big corporations right now , at least the top 10 coins. unless you are suggesting new coins that are more decentralized in ownership will pop up , another 2008 with a switch to crypto benifits the banksters and top percent too |
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Did you Roi on the hardware? My group started the farms in 2016 using S9 Batch 1s and Avalons 721s and have ROI them esp during the BTC 20k highs. The current gear today, like 55TH M10s are too far of a gap, leaving our miners not worth powering up, and even this miner is under water with depressed BTC price now. This ABC vs SV war is too hard to chase so I decided to put the 250TH farm to -ck's solo pool --- one last chance to hit a block before they retire. I personally hit 2 solo blocks at -ck in my lifetime. 25 BTC per block that time.... how time flies. Horrendous. It's 2014 all over again. Trying to chase some stupid no-name coins that might or might not still keep your rigs above water somehow. I'm pretty much done with it, tbh. Unless I can get an extraordinary power deal I'm shutting down my rigs... Unless I am sitting in my attic and need heating (because otherwise I'm fekkin' freezing)! Even the cheap power in Canada (Labrador) is not as cheap as before with "mining tax" introduced soon and smaller hosting setups being squeezed out by the bigger boys -- mainly from China relocated to Labrador. So unless you know someone who has free power or inherited a nuclear power plant, the economics of most GPU and ASICs based mining is not profitable anymore. My 240xGPU AMD farm is also now shutdown but I still power up my 22 x 1080ti every now and then.... hope this Crypto Winter ends soon. The only consolation for my group is that the gears are ROIed and thanks to the 2015/16 investments - we had a good run with ETH from $2 bucks and BTC from $600 bucks.... well it was fun while it lasted. well you at least roied on your gear most ppl did not even come close. My gpus roied but ia have six s9s and a bunch of d3 and a3 way underwater all shut off since the summer. Never buying another asic. i have lowe power at .8 cents in the winter so ill mine a bit longer but youre right with the tax it comes to .10 cents maybe 11, so im mining at a slight loss |
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Did you Roi on the hardware? |
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Thanks for this pool doc , got me quite far at this point the backend stuff works but the website shows a blank page. I also do not see and enviroment.js in the config folder. only see some ember.intl.js file in there The frontend is a single-page Ember.js application that polls the pool API to render miner stats.
cd www
Change ApiUrl: '//example.net/' in www/config/environment.js to match your domain name. Also don’t forget to adjust other options. the above part seems to be my issue ? thanks |
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what do i do when i cant install a single package bower resolve https://github.com/carhartl/jquery-cookie.git#~1.4.1bower EACCES EACCES: permission denied, mkdir '/home/mydir/open-ethereum-pool/www/node_modules/ember-cli-cookie/root' Stack trace: Error: EACCES: permission denied, mkdir '/home/mydir/open-ethereum-pool/www/node_modules/ember-cli-cookie/root' Console trace: even when i delete the modules dir and start over that single module gets access denined when bower tries to install it i tried installing bower stand alone but it never installs that package erreors was becase i tried to install as root |
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what do i do when i cant install a single package bower resolve https://github.com/carhartl/jquery-cookie.git#~1.4.1bower EACCES EACCES: permission denied, mkdir '/home/mydir/open-ethereum-pool/www/node_modules/ember-cli-cookie/root' Stack trace: Error: EACCES: permission denied, mkdir '/home/mydir/open-ethereum-pool/www/node_modules/ember-cli-cookie/root' Console trace: even when i delete the modules dir and start over that single module gets access denined when bower tries to install it i tried installing bower stand alone but it never installs that package |
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It's already over for the home miners, the only people making big profits are the giant farms with extremely low electricity. It was fun while it lasted but I suggest selling off your GPUs before they become worthless. Maybe if you have solar power or really cheap electricity you can continue mining but for most people it is not worth it anymore in the slightest.
I have to say, this was exactly the mantra back in 2012/2013. For real. Yet here we are. I bet we will be hearing the same thing in 5 years, yet people will still be mining at home for a small profit. It might have been the mantra but that doesn't make it incorrect. The GPUs used back in 2012/2013 would have been very inefficient compared to the newer ones available in 2016/2017 when home mining made its comeback. Sure if you hung on to your gear from 2012/2013 you would have made some additional profits in 2016/2017, but you would have made more money by selling your gear off back in 2014 when it still had value and with that money either bought coins directly when they were cheap or invested in newer cards in early 2016 when mining started becoming profitable again. Mining is cyclic which seems to take 4-5 years to work through the entire boom/bust phase, well GPU technology and efficiency changes quite a bit in those 4 to 5 years to expect your old hardware to compete when the new cycle hits. So yes in 5 years we will be hearing the same thing and people will be home mining, but they will be mining with new GPUs not even available yet that will outperform your current cards by 2-3 times. I also say sell them off now while they still may have some worth and either save the money for new cards in 1-2 more years, or better yet just buy some coins outright while they are cheap and just hang on for the next cycle. selling gpus into a downturn is stupid af, the time to sell them was when there was a scarcity its one thing if vega and 2000 series were say like double the power or efficiency but they barely push 20 percent better than polaris and 10x better to hold |
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Looking at profitability charts something seems wrong, I went on whatomine and it suggested to switch back to ethereum , due to the power/hash combination of cnv8 vs ethhash.
Something is really off becase when i moved my rigs to ethereum from cnv8 my power use went up by 4 amps
that basically an extra amp per rig nearly. that is around 1000 watts at 240V.
someone needs to correct the power use calculation used by the profit calcs . V8 uses more power than v7 but no where near close to ether as the calcs have it
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Some months ago all my miners were stolen and today i got a message from viabtc that my ltc hashrate had a rise of 100%.
So i checked the workers and found one with a new name.
Only for 30 minutes,then the thief realized what he was doing and was off... but is there a way somehow to get this IP?
If you don’t mind me asking, how was it stolen |
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So ZCash might be going ProgPow? That's amazing news! I don’t see how that means they are implementing it, they just approved the grant |
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even if they are , its their coin , they actually give a damn about thier ecosystem and economy unlike bitmain and innno who just dump into oblivion. If they are mining they probably need to in order to get back market share of the coins that inno and bitmain haven’t had time to dumping comparing the dev mining to the asic company dumpers is truely apples to oranges. You have overdosed on the Sia Kool-aid my friend. I don't really care about SIA or its project, I actually have 3 A3s collecting dust as well. This fork hurts innosilicon and Bitmain thats the coolaid I am overdosed on quite happy with that . |
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