But what will you do in the summer when the big guns come out? ;-) amd are planning heavy miner gpus. What do you think nvidia is going for with such low power overheads for such a low price :-)
Likely spending the rest of my mini-MAX coin "fortune" lol. Already building 2 6*7950 rigs and just researching what I'd like to do with an Nvidia rig. The new Maxwells are tempting with a ~90 break even and low initial cost. Also, I doubt AMD has something lined up unless it is very specific to the mining market separate from their GPUs. The R9 290X is already based on their new architecture Hawaii and is very power hungry and hot, so they'll need another approach before they release more, lol. AMD has of course a card lined up against the 750Ti, the R7-265. How effective it will be, remains to be seen. |
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Good build and episode!
I have however a suggestion for you guys, for a future episode if it is possible: a build with Nvidia 750Ti's. A few days out and I'm already a bit fed of generic PC hardware or PC gamer sites making half-assed reviews of cards at mining, biased or almost clueless. I'd really like to see from people that know well WTF they are doing! The speed, the economics, power use at the wall while mining, at what extent these cards make sense, if motherboards (and risers) can handle so many cards that don't have PCI-e power, etc...
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It is not "debutable"; it's debatable. Thx. In the sense that it one can discuss if alternatives are still bad or already decent, but at least that (and NEM, it seems) surely suck less than Nxt. Well: my opinion - same wealth-based distribution. And I don't get much why for people so important distribution behind (or parallel with) trading. At capitalism trading always brings us wealth-based distribution of the asset in the end. Meh, but I can live with that. Then who said other people are capitalists just because you are? I'm an hobbyist and don't care about speculation or ideology.
I mean not by ideology, but by interacting with world. Do u buy (food, bandwidth, coins, don't matter), do u sell (time, effort, product, service, coins etc)? Do u not create barriers for free markets? In my estimation this is capitalist's actions, whatever u call yourself. If you are a trader, then yeah I get what you're trying to say, but I couldn't care less. tbh, I'm just a bit fed up of the Nxt shills starting BS threads to make their cultist garbage relevant in this forum. They want to beat BTC but need the Btctalk forum. They are against exchanges but shill for being traded at cryptsy. They are anti-mining and attack BTC or Doge, but conveniently forget the coins that are in a mainly PoS phase and even offered for Nxt to be an accepted currency for the rental of mining rigs!! If I come across opportunities to make a few coins and that happens to be out of trading Nxt, I'm not going to be the "socialist" idiot that leaves money on the table. But quite frankly, this hypocritical charade is becoming very similar to the shill threads of false experts suggesting that "you" should buy Worldcoin or Doge or any other coin they want to dump. This is getting to the level of annoying spam! In that sense, NEM and others > Nxt. That also reflects on the way they make other kind of effort on the initial distribution and many other aspects, my post regarding that other coin is actually a side point on the bigger context |
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Never mix power supplies. Just buy a bigger power supply to power 2 cards or something.
You are officially retarded. Why spread misinformation ? For multiple PSU : google add2psu Nowhere he is counter-arguing against using 2 PSUs per se. He is mainly against the OP's usage of power for the same card(s) coming from different PSUs. Understand the context before you throw random insults around. |
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I did not intend to offend anyone, so I'm sorry if anyone felt offended by that.
But seriously, tables have turned. initial investment in $ per # is closely the same as building a AMD rig yet you can save 50% of the power, which in the long run is where your main expense lies.
(yes of-course i undervolt my cards, anything else would be insanity)
Oh indeed, on tables turning when considering hash/W, I can see that coming. |
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Perhaps, but that's not the point anyway, is it?
I don't see how it's "debutable fair" at all. Just another asset (relative more or less valuable) for capitalists, we all are here. It is not "debutable"; it's deb atable. In the sense that it one can discuss if alternatives are still bad or already decent, but at least that (and NEM, it seems) surely suck less than Nxt. Then who said other people are capitalists just because you are? I'm an hobbyist and don't care about speculation or ideology. |
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Anyone in this thread actually running more than a few cards? I am currently trying to run 22x amd 280x cards. The basement where these are running is now almost 30 degree Celsius. And I'm hashing SHA3 which creates a fraction of the heat scrypt does. Not to mention the amount of power all of this draws. with the 280x's i have a watt to hash ratio of 2,6. So my 5,8kw is roughly giving me 15mh/s on scrypt where as with nvidia rigs (that by the way is cheaper to build) with equal power usage i could get 28mh/s. Anyone who dont see the math why the profit margin is very much in favour of nVidia needs to do a reality check. Because 45kw power a year is not exactly cheap. This is a game changer! stop being fanboys were in the profit business not fanboy business! Accusing others of being fanboys just because they are discussing, is also unwarranted. Take this rhetoric elsewhere please. Did you undervolt your cards? |
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This is absolutely disgusting.
NEM is turning out to be joke.
So if majority of "voters" decide they can steal your coins in future, that will part of NEM code?
You guys are losing your credibility already, even before the launch
What utter tripe. Sorry, but this really is ridiculous. You know when someone can't provide a fair opposing argument when they start using such gross exaggerations. Claiming a stake in many respects is an implied agreement you wish to contribute to the success of that coin. This is something i'm not seeing from Kool at all. Yes, by all means, express your concerns, but at least offer to the table a means of solution - this is not the case with Kool. I see plenty of posts running NEM down and seldom if any real suggestions to offer solutions. I think regardless of the vote here, Kool should be asked if he wishes to have his stake reinstated. Of which i expect him to not answer just to give him further justification for his smear campaign - all of this has already happend. That's not the point. If the "majority" in NEM, Nxt and other descendents can conceive removing someone else's stake by force because they don't like how a member posts in a forum (or for other arbitrary reason), they actually can and will confiscate by either majority decision, patching the code or other method. Is this true or not? |
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AMD's drivers really do blow chunks, though. The amount of ballsing about to get them mining.
On a nVidia machine, just run cudaminer and it's hashing. No SDK voodoo, no dodgy driver versions.
Definitely thinking of getting a couple of 750Ti to replace my clapped out old 7770 and 7850 cards.
Yeah, as a gamer I rather have Nvidia and it's drivers, but the voodoo and immaturity has to do with AMD coming later to GPGPU and sooner to mining. On recent drivers you don't need SDK |
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You also don't see a problem of foreigners pumping-and-dumping a national currency on an exchange?
You should take a look at what's happening in Turkish Lira lately, amongst other currencies. Also: the "foreigners" will, at the point of the airdrop own roughly 150,000 AUR, while icelandic population has potential access to 10,500,000 AUR. So the "foreigners" have 1.5% of the currency while the icelanders have access to 98.5%. Who do you think is going to play games with the market? Namely the "dump"-game. As I said before, lets hope for the best. |
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.
Not really. 1) GPU != scrypt. People with scrypt ASICs are stuck with scrypt PoW, GPU miners are not. 2) Scrypt ASICs doing 3 Mh/s cost ~$2500 upfront, and they are not "in hand". 3) Power usage per se does not matter up to a point, what matters is it's cost. 100W is interesting to who pays $0.3 per KW/h, way less to who pays just $0.05 4) GPUs still have resale value after 1 year, or one can actually keep 2 or 3 for a gaming PC 1) I'll give you that. 2) They are in hand and shipping and no one is getting GPUs on credit either. Also do the math and you'll see that a 3Mh/s GPU rig is going to cost about the same. 3) Most people don't pay $0.05. In most parts of the world it is at least $0.15. If you do the math you'll find that power usage matters. 4) Not everyone's a gamer. The lower power usage of ASICs means that they will be profitable for longer. A year easily. The scrypt asics we see now are just the start. 3-6 months down the road GPUs will become uncompetitive as far as scrypt hashing goes. You are just counter-arguing for the sake of it! Your reply is basically saying that SOME people are not interested in the videocard for mining. However, it is the other way around. When you assert that is too late because of ASICs, it is YOU that have the burden of proof to show that NOBODY is interested on the 750Ti for mining (and perhaps what comes next, e.g., GTX860, GTX870, GTX880 Ti, Titan 2 or whatever) |
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Nothing "fair" there from my point of view ("", cos I disagree with basic fairness concept completely):
U can get a stakes from 6 sectors depending on your wealth and activity: e-mail (eq. share) + early (up to smth, say close to ~eq, but cappers, I suppose, actually'll get more) + 2nd (OK, up to ~eq. too) + 3rd (same here) + mining, where u can buy as much rigs as u can afford + interest on top of that. Only 1 sector (1% of all coins) hardly depends on wealth, cos cheating in some form of giveaways can be prevented + there'll be so low $/h rate for cheating anyway.
Perhaps, but that's not the point anyway, is it? |
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Can you guarantee that the new foundation doesn't end up becoming a self-serving pile of crap like the current foundation?
No, you can't.
Say NO to foundations.
The Bitcoin network is in itself a foundation both literally and figuratively and doesn't need a third party to speak for it.
I disagree. That is not how things get done in Washington. Without professional lobbyists, lawyers, editors, etc. You do not stand a chance at drawing anything but draconian laws made by completely ignorant policy makers. You cannot refuse to participate in the process then demand special rights and laws for bitcoin. The reason bitcoin is succeeding in getting through the regulatory process in the U.S. is in part because of the work you don't see. Work done by the foundation. What about the remaining 96% of the world population? What is the U.S. based Bitcoin foundation doing? |
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Too late though isn't it? What with scrypt asics doing 3Mh/s while consuming less than 100W.
Not really. 1) GPU != scrypt. People with scrypt ASICs are stuck with scrypt PoW, GPU miners are not. 2) Scrypt ASICs doing 3 Mh/s cost ~$2500 upfront, and they are not "in hand". 3) Power usage per se does not matter up to a point, what matters is it's cost. 100W is interesting to who pays $0.3 per KW/h, way less to who pays just $0.05 4) GPUs still have resale value after 1 year, or one can actually keep 2 or 3 for a gaming PC |
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i have gravitated to liking that guy because he ends up saying what i am thinking a lot. lol
many of us have a lot of similar views on things.. and BCX is his own man he does want he wants how he wants and i can respect that.
i may not agree with all his decisions on things but so what i am a mature individual and here for the same reason as him..
I'm not denying that, I appreciate BCX too. I just see that there's some amusing drama around this coin  |
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BCnext was right. there is no way to distribute coins that is fair unless you give equal amounts of coins to each person in the world on release.
giving them to miners (0.001% of worlds population) is not fair
giving them to investors (1% of worlds population) is not fair
giving them to bitcointalk accounts for just saying "intrested" is still not fair.
It is debatable if https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=430467.0 is already fair, but is surely much better.  |
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OP, you couldn't be more wrong, have you seen tomatocoin? (It's going to be huge!) I'm just kidding, no I'm with you, it's absolutely insane. What exactly though, it's not that there are 100's-1000's of copies of the same thing that is surprising. What is surprising is that they all get the attention that they do. I guess I understand the point about as long as people are making money this will continue. So where is it all going? If all the clone coins don't actually offer any new functionality then the only reason driving the price up is waves of new people/money coming into the cryptocurrency market. This can't continue on forever so at some point the waves will get smaller and smaller and as old useless cryptos die out that money should concentrate into something of real substance. (Bitcoin, NXT, Ripple (which is stupid but different, etc...) We are all just throwing money around on stupid, valueless investments. Then again, maybe I'm missing something as they are just all copies of bitcoin and on paper just as good. I'm not sure what that means in terms of value. Every clone coin offers exactly the same thing as Bitcoin and yet we are willing to pay more for Bitcoin because it's older? I can't think of a real world example of anything that compares, as an example, what if Pepsi were cloned EXACTLY but offered at 1/1000th the cost. Would people still 'use' Pepsi? So maybe this whole thing is madness! It's madness. But what's the "value" of 1 Quadrillion of $US in derivatives?  |
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Until 1GH relinquishes central control of the network, MAX will go nowhere.
1GH could simply split into two pools and solve the problem or limit new users.
They haven't, which speaks volumes on their power grab.
~BCX~
Your posts also speak volumes...   |
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