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921  Local / Économie et spéculation / Re: Alors ... vous a-t-on dit que le bitcoin était un mauvais "placement" ? on: June 26, 2014, 07:09:06 PM
"C'est risqué ton truc"

C'est ce qui revient le plus souvent quand j'en parle à mon entourage.
Et bien sûr ça cherche pas à comprendre le fonctionnement.  Roll Eyes

Bien sûr que c'est risqué, sinon ça ne pourrait pas être profitable Cheesy
922  Other / Off-topic / Re: Why do people deny the climate change? on: June 26, 2014, 07:07:20 PM
Because it might be the natural cycle of the planet and not some big marketing schemes to sell so called green items.

Except that the natural cycle of the planet is well known and that the current changes are happening much faster.
Global temperatures are increasing when, according to Milankovitch's cycle, the temperature should actually be getting colder.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milankovitch_cycles
923  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Marketplace (Altcoins) / Re: [CLOSED] Ninja Group Buy #5 - QTY 8 Gridseed LA6M 48Mhash Scrypt [0/160] on: June 26, 2014, 07:02:09 PM
https://www.ehsminer.com/product/ehs-asic-scrypt-miner-vi/

Interesting... $10 per MH/s and based in Colorado. No idea what efficiency is yet but this has potential.

I wouldn't want to take the risk in buying from a new company which promises hardware considerably better than what all other companies are producing...

Not sure what our budget is, but GAW's Vaultbreaker mini seems like the best deal at 25$ and 2.5 watts/Mh, considering that the company delivered efficiently for the current generation of miners.
924  Economy / Service Announcements / Re: Cryptostocks - BTC,DVC,LTC denominated Stock Exchange/Crowdfunding Platform on: June 26, 2014, 06:36:36 PM
Anyone else not receiving the email necessary to withdraw BTC? Anyone else not receiving the email necessary to disable to required email confirmation for withdrawals?

 Angry

It was working yesterday.

Their e-mail servers have often been down in the past, but never for more than a few days, so there's not much to worry about.
Although it would be wise to disable this option the next time you'll be able to.
925  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.7 Available on: June 26, 2014, 06:31:56 PM
Imho, the way in which a coin is mined makes no difference to a coin's value. PoW coins are not backed by energy, but by the community.
Or else why would Litecoin's price be a few times lower than its ATH, while its hashrate is ridiculously higher than it was at that time?

What gives a coin value is the community's consensus, and it seems fitting that it's the coins community (the holders) who would get the new coins by securing the network, rather than relying on our block reward being high enough to attrack multipool miners who don't care about the future of the coin. And it seems more and more true that ASIC companies are the only one to truly profit from mining; that leads to centralization which is the opposite of what cryptocurrencies should be about.

I can guarantee that you can not produce a bitcoin under $400 today so you have a base value then you have to add all sort of other factors to get to todays price.
Litecoins price is a few times lower for a number of reasons and one of them is that ASICs produce a coin much more efficient and so can be sold much cheaper as if produced with GPU    
Unfortunately, ASICs is one thing Satoshi did not foresee, but PoW coins it is truly honest money as you can not cheat and dont need anyone's consensus. Community's consensus, yep the Government needs it and gives fiat value and not honest money like PoW coins. 


Even if, right now, a Bitcoin can not be produced under $400, it still needs community consensus to stay above that price. A crash to 200$ could happen, and difficulty would adapt so a Bitcoin could be produced at that price. And ASIC companies who have access to cheap miners and electricity can propably produce them at a considerably lower price anyways. Because of this, I think it's wrong to say that PoW gives a base value to a coin.

And there is no way to cheat with PoS either; everybody gets the same interest rate for protecting the network.

I think it is a good time to buy some at current price
+1 bargain of the year
be greedy when others are fearful

Cheesy
Speculators seem to be forgetting that Dogecoin managed to stay above 100 satoshis when the inflation rate was almost ten times higher than what it will be in a week, and when its community was a lot smaller and with fewer merchants involved.
926  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PesetaCoin][PTC] Wallet With FIAT & Payment GateWay now Online on: June 26, 2014, 05:39:17 PM
Pesetacoin is now also listed for voting on Bter Smiley
https://bter.com/voting#

Thanks, great news!! Wink

Yep! Smiley
Bter is chinese, which is not Pesetacoin's target market, but visibility is always good.

A lot of PTC it's minnig for chinese pool Wink

Indeed you're right! It would make sense for them to have their own exchange then.

I wonder how those who merge-mine PTC with Litecoin would react. Will they sell their PTC to get an instant payment bonus from mining, or will they buy more because of how secure that makes Peseta's network?
927  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners (Scrypt ASIC seller) independent feedback thread on: June 26, 2014, 05:27:36 PM
It would be nice if GAW was to accept payments in Litecoin and Dogecoin for their ASICs.

Since these are the coins most people mine with their equipment, it would make sense for them to contribute to these economies so their business with scrypt ASICs can stay profitable long-term.


LOL!!!  Cheesy

In what way is this funny?
928  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PesetaCoin][PTC] Wallet With FIAT & Payment GateWay now Online on: June 26, 2014, 05:25:51 PM
Pesetacoin is now also listed for voting on Bter Smiley
https://bter.com/voting#

Thanks, great news!! Wink

Yep! Smiley
Bter is chinese, which is not Pesetacoin's target market, but visibility is always good.
929  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: GAW Miners (Scrypt ASIC seller) independent feedback thread on: June 26, 2014, 04:31:10 PM
It would be nice if GAW was to accept payments in Litecoin and Dogecoin for their ASICs.

Since these are the coins most people mine with their equipment, it would make sense for them to contribute to these economies so their business with scrypt ASICs can stay profitable long-term.
930  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is time a circle? on: June 26, 2014, 04:28:28 PM
U smokin dope n postin on da forums again??

What's wrong with that?
OP's post is considerably more interesting than most of the off-topic section Tongue
931  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DOGE] Dogecoin - very currency many coin - v1.7 Available on: June 26, 2014, 04:25:32 PM
I never had a PoS coin in my portfolio and never will have one. PoS is not backed by anything other than the belief there are worth anything and there will be an endless supply of PoS coins because one created today does not have a significant advantage over on created tomorrow, next week, next month.......
What currently is happening is new coins are created with PoW, mined for a week until a fixed number is reached and then change to PoS and then you can claim your stake at buying xyz coin. The only advantage a coin released today has over on made sometime in the future is, somebody already bought into it. The advantage quickly disappears if the new coin has a better catch phrase a flashier webpage or bigger marketing capital....There is no end in sight for stake claimed coins and all promising x % return if you know a bit of programming you will have your very one coin too and everyone can buy into your claim based coin.
Its a barrel without bottom and once it clicks run for the hills if you own a stake.  
    
A new pure PoW coin can not compete with existing once on the market unless its cheats in some way by instamine, premine, ninjamine or some other scam which then prevents it form growing. The inflation handicap will always be with Litecoin in regard to Bitcoin and so it can not get in front, and equally stops new pure PoW coins in its tracks. Inflation also works in favour of Dogecoin in the short term so merge mining puts Dogecoin in a favourable position.

PoW is backed by energy. There is no better backing than energy because everyone needs it, wants it and i will never have any problem selling it. To create a PoW coin you need x amount of energy and you can not cheat. The best you can hope for is to have  a more efficient miner. Because the energy has been spent the coin has a base value (many other things on top) and is a kind of a storage medium.

Mark my words

Imho, the way in which a coin is mined makes no difference to a coin's value. PoW coins are not backed by energy, but by the community.
Or else why would Litecoin's price be a few times lower than its ATH, while its hashrate is ridiculously higher than it was at that time?

What gives a coin value is the community's consensus, and it seems fitting that it's the coins community (the holders) who would get the new coins by securing the network, rather than relying on our block reward being high enough to attrack multipool miners who don't care about the future of the coin. And it seems more and more true that ASIC companies are the only one to truly profit from mining; that leads to centralization which is the opposite of what cryptocurrencies should be about.
932  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone else tired of new coins? on: June 26, 2014, 03:16:07 PM
There are two sides of the coin about this:

- Some new (alt)coins really have unique features and offer unique possibilities. I'd like to see those new innovative coins coming too.

But, - most of the coins don't offer something unique. I don't like to see these coins coming. The altcoin market is way too big already. We should somehow separate the good ones from the bad (pump&dumps, clones, scams) ones.  By doing this I'm sure the good, stable altcoins gain more value. Most of them are undervalued nowadays but can't really gain value as much of the incoming capital goes to shitcoins.

I don't think shitcoins take much capital away from legit coins.
Imho, those who put money on them are of the "gambler" type, who don't mind taking huge risks to get potentially high rewards. If they had not bought the pump-n-dump coins, that money would probably been gambled rather than invested in a good coin which may take many months for its value to grow.
933  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Mining (Altcoins) / Re: Still too "geeky" to mine on: June 26, 2014, 03:13:24 PM
Have you heard of zenMiner?
It is a web-based application which allows to easily set-up and control a miner plugged to a zenController, which is a Raspberry Pi that comes with the required software pre-installed.

With that, you just have to plug the miner into the pi and write the pool infos on the webpage.

Imho, that's a great step towards making mining accessible to everyone.

When internet began, it was only accessible to computer-litterate geeks, but when interest in it became more widespread, entrepreneurs were quick to make it easier to use. This most-likely is what will happen to cryptocurrencies, with initiatives such as zenMiner's.
934  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Anyone else tired of new coins? on: June 26, 2014, 03:05:40 PM
These new coins are not really dilluting the market, since most of them have a market cap of less than 10000$ and trade volumes of a few tens of dollars per day: http://coinmarketcap.com/2.html

Their value reflects what they are: useless penny-stocks to gamble on, and imho that is a need which has to be filled and which doesn't affect the serious coins who are backed by a community.
935  Other / Off-topic / Re: New Assassin's Creed on: June 26, 2014, 02:57:46 PM
It seems awesome.
A few months ago while reading Victor Hugo I was wishing that the next Assassin's Creed would be set in France in that era, so I'm quite happy about that coincidence Cheesy

It will be epic to partake in the French Revolution and be a witness to Paris' complex and efficient criminal underworld.
where did you read about Victor Hugo?
i followed assassin creed since AC1 and never heard of this name
i think the next AC is based at russian revolution Grin

The next AC, Assassin's Creed Unity, will take place during the french revolution Smiley
You may watch a preview from E3 here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xzCEdSKMkdU

Victor Hugo is a French author who wrote during that time period.
936  Other / Off-topic / Re: Is time a circle? on: June 26, 2014, 02:12:37 PM
We are biased about the nature of the universe and of time, because our brain evolved to be able to efficiently sustain an organism with a limited life-span.

Just like we see only a truly small portion of what the universe is (our eyes only see a small percentage of light's spectrum), it seems likely that we also comprehend time in a very limited way and we haven't the tools to get a better understanding of it.
937  Other / Off-topic / Re: New Assassin's Creed on: June 26, 2014, 02:00:04 PM
It seems awesome.
A few months ago while reading Victor Hugo I was wishing that the next Assassin's Creed would be set in France in that era, so I'm quite happy about that coincidence Cheesy

It will be epic to partake in the French Revolution and be a witness to Paris' complex and efficient criminal underworld.
938  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Pandacoin[PND] The only POS coin with 3 mths POW mining phase| Multipool| No premine or IPO on: June 26, 2014, 01:52:42 PM
Pandacoin (PND) has been listed for voting https://bter.com/voting

from the voting page:
Please help us to vote the best coins in your opinion. We are going to list the best coins you selected. To avoid spamming for bots, only registered users with order history (Bter Points (BTR) > 1000) or having enough balances are permitted to vote. You get 1 to 10 free votes per hour based on the amount of BTR you have. You can also spend your BTR on payment votes, which is 100 BTR per vote. All the BTR payments are collected and donated to Bter.com's Public Interest account to support community development, help people, and promote progressive technologies. We reserve the right to add new coins to the markets outside of the voting list.

Thanks for sharing!
That would be a great way to get some visibility for Pandacoin in Asia.
939  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: Gridcoin (GRC) - first coin utilizing BOINC - Official Thread on: June 26, 2014, 01:49:11 PM
You may now vote to get Gridcoin listed on Bter Smiley
https://bter.com/voting#
940  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [PesetaCoin][PTC] Wallet With FIAT & Payment GateWay now Online on: June 26, 2014, 01:47:52 PM

Pesetacoin is now also listed for voting on Bter Smiley
https://bter.com/voting#
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