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1541  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: There are no decentralized cryptocurrencies on: December 25, 2021, 04:03:03 PM
...as of now. As long as we have ISP's who grants us access to the internet, or any part of that internet, hardware-wise and otherwise, is controlled by any central authority or produced non open source.

Don't get me wrong, I love what is going on.  BTC and friends are shaking up the world monetarily and the potential for a future where traditional banks and their power over the little people (that's 99.9999% of us) are no more.  It is a light in the tunnel, if we can keep our eyes from being fooled by the artificial lights designed to lead us back into the darkness.

But. As long as we rely on any centralized system, crypto can not be truly decentalized.  How do we solve this?  What is the next step towards true decentralization? A world-wide cascading network of long range radio devices (HAM, LoRa, etc) that people can assemble and program themselves?

What do you think? Or are the fundamentals I presented above faulty? Please let me know!

You need to detach ISP's from crypto currencies, ISP's are not inherent to cryptocurrency. Yes, an ISP generally stands in the way of you and sending crypto, but by inherent nature cryptocurrency does not rely on an ISP, so it's not a productive argument to make.

Take it one step further from ISP's. Who controls the ISP? The government. You could argue that crypto isn't decentralized because you might live in a jurisdiction that proposes crypto taxes or strict regulations on any sort of trading. Again, governmental intervention isn't an inherent, by design, property of crypto, so you wouldn't correct in making that argument.

Your fundamentals aren't faulty, because you essentially make the case for free and fair internet without purview of the government. But tying this to bitcoin isn't the best application of your concern. It's comparing apples to oranges.
1542  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New variant of Covid-19 (Omicron) on: December 25, 2021, 11:02:23 AM
then alpha's 50k a day would be omicrom 7million cases a day..

i laugh if you think those numbers compute in your brain.
sorry but 1 person infecting 504 people...(3.6x140)... (facepalm)

do you really think that 1 person even hangs around with 504people within 2 metres for half an hour each in a 3 day period.
there are not even enough hours in a day for someone to socialise that much.

just try it. sit next to someone shoulder to shoulder and breath on them. for 30 minutes. then repeat 504 times. and see how many people you can get through in 3 days.

yes technically if you dont sleep and you have a conveyor belt of people lined up to speed date style do this game you can reach 140. maybe if you had 3-4 people sitting around you in a close circle per 30minute round. you might achieve 504
 but reality is most people only actually speak to and converse for 30 minutes with, about 5-10 people every few days

covid does not really infect people you just walk by for 2 seconds. (pre-empting the obvious naive rebuttal)

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/dec/15/omicron-found-to-grow-70-times-faster-than-delta-in-bronchial-tissue

Under perfect settings, a person can produce a viral concentration amongst bronchial tissue 70x that of someone with the delta. So it is only theoretically that someone could infect another person with omicron at some exponential rate. But real life is not in perfect settings.

An infected person with omicron is not sitting on a train, with access to hundreds of people coughing on everyone with close contact totaling 15 minutes or so (enough to build a sufficient viral load and get the person infected). So if you could individually take a concentration of the virus and distribute it amongst a portion of the population, you would find the viral load to be 70x that of delta.

Not that in the data we would see a 70x mark in cases.
1543  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Why is Bitcoin in the highest level of trust? on: December 25, 2021, 10:44:17 AM
    • In banks' ledger server, our money is just a string of number. Banks render these number effective. We trust banks then we carry out normal economic activities. But thought banks will not directly tamper with the number in our account, the government can depreciate the value of our wealth by issuing paper money in a large amount to deprive our money.
    • When it comes to Bitcoin, no intermediary is needed in money transferring. A distributed system built trust with the help of decentralization. Bitcoin protocol allows two separate individuals to conduct transactions in a peer-to-peer manner via the Internet. When you transfer Bitcoin from one account to another, you can trust not only its underlying system for support, but also the authenticity of the sender and the validity of Bitcoin.

    This is a great point, and I like to explain to people using the logic you have above, when they minimize Bitcoin as worthless. The bitcoin private key that defines someone's balance is essentially a random string of numbers that is recognized by a network, in which you can transfer ownership of digitalized currency with other owners of the same type of randomized string. Banks utilize the same concept, except they attach personal information to each of the strings, and the central authority (whatever it is, government, the private bank itself, etc.) are able to modify any of the balances at their whim.

    What security do you have the bank will honor their end of the deal, and maintain the balance they claim they hold for you? Banks require that you trust them, bitcoin requires that you trust yourself. And who do you trust more?
    1544  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A supermarket in Mexico now allows Bitcoin payments for all their items on: December 25, 2021, 06:55:44 AM
    Why is this supermarket pushing bitcoin too much to the point that they're giving a good 20% discount? I don't see the incentive for them to do something like this in a business point of view.

    Perhaps they have gotten smart and recognize that traditional currency is no longer of use to them? Mexico's inflation rate over the past year has increased pretty dramatically. It's nearing 8 percent at the current moment, and Mexico's economy is so dependent on the US, and the US isn't doing so great either with their currency or economy.

    A 20 percent discount today will about pay itself off with BTC in merely a couple of years if the inflation in Mexico stays at what it is. And that's under the assumption BTC's price is now below what it is today in 2 years.
    1545  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Elon Musk once again throwing shade at bitcoin on: December 25, 2021, 03:42:02 AM
    How is he "throwing shade" at Bitcoin? This is more is his usual trolling antics that he spends a bit too much time doing. His ego won't allow him to concede that he was incorrect about Bitcoin and its energy consumption, so he'll pretend to be "pro cryptocurrency" by throwing a dart on a board and picking whatever meme coin the dart happens to land on.

    He doesn't care about doge, he likes the attention.

    He was certainly pro Bitcoin when Tesla bought billions. Didn't seem so pro-BTC *after* Tesla made all their profits.
    1546  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin allows tax evaders, Please pay attention.... on: December 24, 2021, 07:46:28 AM

    The next thing you see are a bunch of people rocking up at your house to investigate suspicious criminal behavior (Finding probable cause like you selling drugs or for things like money laundering) and then they do a life style audit. If you cannot explain where the money come from to fund your life style.... then you are fuc$%ed.  Wink

    It's not easy to avoid taxes, if that's the concept.  But we can learn from Jeff Bezos who became an entrepreneur and did not pay taxes even though everyone knew how rich he was.  Whether it's fiat or crypto, as long as the intention is to avoid taxes, there must be a way. For example, when you have a company that has to pay taxes but you can avoid it by giving CSR to our foundation by covering up the management behind it.  This is often done by large companies, even state-owned companies.


    It is not immoral to take advantage of the deductions given to you by the traditional tax system. Anyone that decides to pay more taxes than they're owed is a fool and deserves to lose their money. You pay taxes to the government, tell me -- do you view the governmental body as being capable of fiscal responsibility? When has any modern government ever been able to manage their financial system?No, that's why Bitcoin exists in the first place. Corporations avoid taxes because they generally reinvest their profits into the business.

    Government targets crypto for tax purposes more than they target billionaires though, so if that isn't an indictment at how cozy politicians are with the elites, I don't know what is.
    1547  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New variant of Covid-19 (Omicron) on: December 24, 2021, 06:51:34 AM
    The new variant is spreading very fast and also it is the most dangerous variant of covid-19.

    No, it's not. It's 140x more transmissible than the alpha strain, 70x more transmissible than the delta strain, and significantly less deadly than either the alpha or delta variants.

    So yes, it's highly transmissible but not any more virulent than previous strains. You get it, vaxxed or unvaxxed, and at best your symptoms are a mild to moderate cold. The vaccine does show some efficacy against Omicron, but even if it doesn't, I wouldn't have too much anxiety over the chance of getting the sniffles and a head ache.

    It's time to move on.

    its not 140x/70x.. its 140%70%.

    alpha was for every infectee it would spread ~3.6 other people(between 3 or 4). .. omicron is not infecting 420 people per infectee
    its infecting 5 people.

    yes in alpha the most cases per day in the UK was ~ 50k a day (350k a week)which is about 0.5% a week. meaning to get everyone to have had covid and it become 'common' would take 200weeks, or 4 years. best case if the peak number was the average. but its not. so the numbers were more like 10years

    omicron is getting about 100k cases a day or 700k a week right now. so 1% a week. meaning it can go through the whole population in 2 years. again best case if the peak number was an average. but its not. so expect longer

    so to all those thinking that covid has already infected everyone and become common due to alpha.. sorry but the numbers show that not everyone has had it yet. to all those that think omicron will make covid 'common' in just a couple months and everything will be normal by spring.. sorry but covid as a risk to peoples health due to still being 'novel' is something people need to plan on for a few more years



    No that incorrect. It is 140x more transmissible than the original strain. 140% would make it 1.4x more transmissible.

    For every 1 case, there would theoretically be 140x cases but that does not count for those who already have immunity, therefore would evade an infection. This is why the UK numbers do not add up. At some point, herd immunity kicks in with the naturally immunized and whatever percentatge is vaccinated (factoring in for the efficacy of the vaccine ie 30%, 40% ect. Some studies suggest the vaccines don't really do well against Omicron, but I am making the best case scenario for the sake of an example).

    The numbers are at a peak, you expect them to go down rapidly just as they increased rapidly.

    100k cases per day would be a dream. Everyone gets a mild cold, virtually no deaths, and robust natural immunity is achieved and pandemic's over. But, 100k cases (or whatever that number is) won't last long.

    1548  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will the vaccination end? on: December 24, 2021, 02:47:42 AM
    The evidence for the efficacy of the Covid vaccines is absolutely overwhelming, and building every day. Is the issue that you're somehow unaware of this, or simply that you choose to ignore it?

    I am pro vaccine, in fact, but not before being pro liberty, meaning it is your choice to take the vaccine, and no one else's. And everyone makes the risk calculation differently (ie healthy 18 year old v. 70 year old with obesity). And I recognize that a vaccine must be presented in conjugation with other therapeutics because vaccination is not a catch all solution. Also the discussion about how mRNA vaccines may have potential side effects, which must be considered.

    Then comes the discussion of variants, and the need for capturing data before recommending vaccination against variants, when the vaccine may not even bode well.

    The strategy against Covid must be modified the moment it was evident that Covid would become endemic because vaccination would no longer end Covid, that ship has sailed. It's impossible for the vaccines to attack every possible variant, so the need for newly purposed vaccines that address variants will be required, just as is with the influenza vaccine (a new Covid shot every year, essentially).

    So, that highlights the importance for alternative therapeutics for when someone actually gets Covid. Being pro alternative therapy is not being anti-vax, it's being pro medical science.
    1549  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will the vaccination end? on: December 23, 2021, 06:51:01 PM
    You understand that even it's impossible to inoculate every person in the world simultaneously to prevent any variants from originating? Pfizer's vaccine had the highest efficacy at 95%, so even if everyone was vaccinated, there still would be transmission amongst a small portion of the population. It's how upper respiratory viruses work, they are too transmissible.

    You also understand that there is data to suggest that the vaccines are not doing well against Omicron, correct? You seem to think the answer to anything Covid related is vaccination despite what the evidence might show.

    No, there isn't. The fact that a vaccine has a rated statistical efficacy doesn't necessarily mean there will be a percentage of the population that will be infected because it didn't work. No vaccine ever created had a 100% efficacy, and many diseases have been eradicated because of consistent vaccination plans. Polio is the most common case, and the polio vaccine had a 60% efficacy, give or take.



    Right, let me clarify. The remaining 5 percent of a population that does get infected will still maintain some level of viral load, rendering the vaccine ineffective. But given how transmissible Omicron is (140x times original alpha variant), it's reasonable to expect that most everyone will get it unless you are living in the middle of a forest, isolated from human interaction.

    I was originally going to mention polio in my above post to illustrate that mass vaccination does in fact work, only in certain instances. Upper respiratory viruses like Covid are too transmissible for it to not end up endemic. Influenza is the same way.

    So mass vaccination must only happen with the realistic expectation that the transmission can be controlled, and that's not feasible with Covid. So it's really a useless conversation to have.
    1550  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will the vaccination end? on: December 23, 2021, 05:49:42 PM
    Yes, if by "working as intended" you mean "everyone gets vaccinated". Developed nations have hoarded the vaccines, which means poorer nations are less protected and have more infections, which leads to more new variants, some of which will be at least partially vaccine-resistant, which means they spread back to developed nations. It's no coincidence that Omicron arose in a nation with a low vaccination rate.

    You understand that even it's impossible to inoculate every person in the world simultaneously to prevent any variants from originating? Pfizer's vaccine had the highest efficacy at 95%, so even if everyone was vaccinated, there still would be transmission amongst a small portion of the population. It's how upper respiratory viruses work, they are too transmissible.

    You also understand that there is data to suggest that the vaccines are not doing well against Omicron, correct? You seem to think the answer to anything Covid related is vaccination despite what the evidence might show.
    1551  Other / Politics & Society / Re: When will the vaccination end? on: December 23, 2021, 04:31:56 PM
    Are we there yet? Are we there yet?
    That's all I read. Amazing.

    The plan (as far as they say) is to vaccinate as many people as possible. Past a certain percentage of the population, herd immunity can be achieved and the need for vaccinating everybody decreases.
    Meanwhile, the virus keeps mutating, and extra doses may or may not be needed. In any case, you can choose not to be vaccinated, and deal with the consequences, should you have to.

    You already have herd immunity because herd immunity is vaccinated population + natural immunity, but since the vaccinated can still transmit Covid, it's not really that effective.

    And I would argue that those with natural immunity have more robust protection and don't require the need for continuing boosters, but that's another discussion.

    We are at 2 years of Covid with world wide spread, had the vaccines been working as intended, the percentage of people with antibodies (or B cell/T cell immunity) would have long been past. At this point, it's in nearly everyone's interest to get infected with Omicron. High transmissibility, mild cold like symptoms. It's essentially the ticket out of the pandemic, yet there are failed attempts at trying to control it.

    Still waiting from the "experts" for the data that Omicron is dangerous. The death counts for Omicron are negligible as of now.
    1552  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Crypto.com Predicts 1 Billion Global Crypto Users in 2022! on: December 23, 2021, 07:37:03 AM
    ~ not unless maybe there can be a consortium of organizations that got money to spend on promotions or marketing.
    Crypto.com is also one of these companies that are advertising on different sports/events. You see their jersey on NBA, UFC, and even European football leagues. They call it partnership but they probably spent a significant amount of money.

    Having said that, it's only natural that they come up with predictions like that. They're expecting their marketing efforts to bear fruit$.

    Exactly.

    Without reading the 25 page report that's linked in OP, "users" has a broad definition, which is greatly convenient for marketing purposes. User meaning a crypto holder, trader, or individual that conducted a single crypto transaction in a calendar year of negligible value? Probably the latter. And the portion of users also don't include the Robinhood type crowd dabbling in shitcoins trying to get in on the latest pump and dump scheme.

    Numbers are grossly inflated.
    1553  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Ghislaine Noelle Marion Maxwell on: December 23, 2021, 01:27:16 AM
    Jury has been deliberating for over 20 hours at this point, asked to review evidence of the accusers. US justice system for federal criminal charges (and state, for that matter) involve a unanimous verdict, both for guilt or acquittal. Generally the longer deliberations take, the better it is for the defense because it usually means there are a few jurors disagree with the majority resulting in a deadlocked.

    This is a clear cut case, leaving no possible room to be on the fence. Not sure how you could possibly be unsure in this case about what your position is, but juries are unpredictable.

    Keep your eye out for a hung jury, resulting in a mistrial.
    1554  Other / Politics & Society / Re: New variant of Covid-19 (Omicron) on: December 22, 2021, 02:56:24 PM
    The new variant is spreading very fast and also it is the most dangerous variant of covid-19.

    No, it's not. It's 140x more transmissible than the alpha strain, 70x more transmissible than the delta strain, and significantly less deadly than either the alpha or delta variants.

    So yes, it's highly transmissible but not any more virulent than previous strains. You get it, vaxxed or unvaxxed, and at best your symptoms are a mild to moderate cold. The vaccine does show some efficacy against Omicron, but even if it doesn't, I wouldn't have too much anxiety over the chance of getting the sniffles and a head ache.

    It's time to move on.
    1555  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Coronavirus Outbreak on: December 22, 2021, 01:52:43 PM
    https://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-africa-johannesburg-south-africa-f4b59ecde3029295f7b96f2d0ff44042

    Omicron cases seeming to peak in South Africa where original strain is detected, peak of 27k cases/day.

    According to this source - https://publichealth.jhu.edu/2021/omicron-in-south-africa-the-latest-news, zero deaths in South Africa as of a few days ago among vaxxed population.

    So, we now know the Omicron panic was overblown. Some of us were saying this from the start, and in fact, many doctors in South Africa themselves were saying that the reaction to Omicron was fear driven. So how long until Omicron drifts into irrelevancy until the new variant is put under the spotlight? If there's any consolation to the endemic nature of Covid, it's that you can expect more variants of similar nature to Omicron -- that is, high transmissibility and low virulence.
    1556  Other / Politics & Society / Re: Christmas not Xmas. on: December 22, 2021, 01:46:28 PM
    Is "Xmas" part of the broader attack on Christmas I keep hearing about from Christians?

    "Happy holidays" may be too inflammatory for the Christians, they insist on you saying "Merry Christmas," anything other than that phrase is to be insensitive towards any believers in Christ.

    Now "Xmas" is apparently under that umbrella. The Christians are the victims from this verbal abuse.
    1557  Other / Politics & Society / Re: In a Democracy should the people have the right to kill their leaders? on: December 21, 2021, 08:49:23 PM
    A bit of an oxymoron, isn't it, killing a democratic leader.

    By virtue of democracy, sort of a built in mechanism, there isn't a need to kill their leader. A democracy has checks and balances to ensure authoritarianism is not allowed, partly by not allowing consolidation of power into one office.

    So if you feel the need to kill your leader, chances are you're either mentally ill or not in a democracy.

    Probably the former.
    1558  Other / Politics & Society / Re: I saw my first counterfeit Covid vaccination card yesterday… on: December 21, 2021, 04:03:47 AM
    Why do you care if you're vaccinated? Don’t you trust science?

    Be careful, if you mention that the vaccines might be a bit leaky, you're against "the science."

    On that note, clinically obese and elderly former President Trump announced he is vaxxed with the booster, and even shuts down the small group of people that boo at him.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/20/world/trump-supporters-booster-shots.html

    Naturally, the story is not about how Trump is vaxed, but rather how a small dozen started to boo.

    But anyways -- point is, when you are vaccinated there is no need to be concerned about anyone else's vaccination status.
    1559  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ‘Fact checks’ are nothing more than opinion on: December 19, 2021, 03:46:51 AM
    This motherfucker left the CEO seat at twitter btw. He must have realized he is on so many people's hatebook.

    They kicked him out because he wasn't radical enough and found someone who's even nuttier to replace him. Jack Dorsey was either forced out or abandoned a sinking ship on his own.
    1560  Other / Politics & Society / Re: ‘Fact checks’ are nothing more than opinion on: December 19, 2021, 02:48:27 AM
    I don't think this is an authentic argument. You are saying that we can't trust any source on anything. This is exactly the same as BADecker's argument against science; you can't even believe the laws of physics, unless you can derive them yourself. Is gravity real? How do we know, just because the scientists tell us so? Gravity could just as easily be God pushing things down, right?

    Failed attempt at equating me to another forum conspiratard. A cheap comparison. The fact checkers at the early stages of the pandemic, for example, interjected their own useless opinions and conflated them what the facts actually were.

    And when complex situations are not presented as a binary, but rather as a gradient with nuance, the fact checks don't have any problems using politics on deciding which side of the fence they are.

    I'm not saying every fact checker implements their own bias on things. Facebook just has a unique skill at being extraordinarily bad at fact checking.

    It's impossible to be genuinely convinced that we can't trust anyone on anything, and yet live in the modern world. If you get toothache, where do you go? The dentist? Why? You don't know for a fact that he/she is good at dentistry... who believes their so-called qualifications and so-called testimony from so-called previous patients... why not go to a mechanic instead? Got a leaky water pipe? Who do you call, plumber or vet?

    What does Facebook fact checks have anything to do with this?
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