Eric Nelson didn't bring it up directly. He tried to cast doubt by getting Dr. Tobin to admit that there were some assumptions made about his calculations. Nelson was pretty unprepared today, he admitted that he got all of this information last night.


If Dr. Tobin believes that 90 pounds of pressure was applied to the neck of George Floyd for 9 minutes straight, then yeah, I'm sure it would kill someone in any ordinary circumstance. I'm not disputing this. I'm disputing the figure 90 pounds because it made certain assumptions that I don't think you can make with complete certainty, and Dr. Tobin has said as much.

Kamala Harris* 

But I thought the current theory was the military being in charge or something, because they uncovered all the election fraud. Or maybe it might have been Trump secretly being in charge behind the scenes controlling everything from Mar-a-Lago. I can't keep up sometimes, forgive me.

I am using his own words where he says he made certain assumptions about how much Chauvin weighed, how much the gear he had on weighed, and his acknowledgement that the weight of Chauvin shifted constantly. And I already explained what the issue was. He calculated 90 pounds of pressure using a still picture from bystander video. Dr. Tobin didn't go into detail how he was able to precisely calculate 90 pounds because neither the prosecution nor the defense asked about it. And we know from earlier this week, there are portions of the BWC that *clearly* show Chauvin's knee on Floyd's upper back while the bystander video *clearly* shows the knee/shin area on the neck. So the angle is already a bit off when using the BWC.

I never said I had a better guess. Doesn't mean I can't ask questions.

Which issue? The objection to relevance or the 90 pounds of pressure?

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9445105/What-Hunter-Biden-left-tell-memoir-revealed.html

This is quite literally some of the most insane things I have ever read about a Presidential family in my life time. And I followed the Clintons closely. I almost want to say some of this looks fabricated because of how wild it looks.

Daily Mail also published some text messages between him and Joe Biden, it's worth your time to read them.

I don't think it's a valid objection though. He created a diagram and it's just his opinion, so he's open to speculate on how much weight Chauvin had on his neck. And by Dr. Tobin's account, he's taking a scientific, mathematical, and methodical approach. So there's nothing to object, he's speaking within his expertise.

But clearly, Eric Nelson pointed out that there was some levels of assumption in Dr. Tobin's analysis in assuming the weights of Chauvin and his gear. I'm surprised Nelson didn't point out his calculation was speculating where Chauvin's center of gravity was and that the center of gravity was maintained for 6 minutes+ killing Floyd, but it's not like Dr. Tobin wouldn't be reluctant to say "Yes, I used shoddy bystander footage to determine Chauvin's center of gravity in order to conclude 90 pounds of pressure".

Of course Chauvin will produce his own laundry list of experts that will contradict what Dr. Tobin says, because there are two sides to every story, but I think Dr. Tobin makes extremely compelling arguments and I feel inclined to take his word for what he says. Do I have "reasonable doubt" as to whether Chauvin asphyxiated Floyd, yes. If the autopsy report conducted by Dr. Baker found evidence of an obstructed airway and evidence of asphyxia, then I would undoubtedly take Dr. Tobin's word as undisputed. But, there is some conflicting evidence.

And did anyone catch the part where Eric Nelson mentioned that the high effect, or the maximum effect (forgot what Nelson called it) of fentanyl is about 5 minutes after consumption? Dr. Tobin agreed with this. We know Floyd ingested fentanyl/meth pills when police approached him in the car...the timing seems to match almost perfectly where Floyd begins to freak out with respect to when he took the fentanyl pills. It's about 5 minutes later.

I'm listening to Dr. Tobin's testimony and he describes positional asphyxia.

My follow up questions.

Did fentanyl and methamphetamine along with underlying conditions play any role in Floyd's death? Tobin seemed to suggest no (might've outright said no, can't remember).

Does fentanyl result in less respiration/breaths per minute? If so, would that mean Floyd should've had a higher respiration rate than 17-22 breathes per minute *given* that Floyd had a high heart rate, was fighting with police, and presumably would need more air than a resting individual.

His testimony is very very convincing, but there are a couple issues I have with it. It seems to minimize underlying conditions/drugs which contradicts the autopsy report, and it also speculates that Chauvin used 90 pounds and exerted it onto Floyd's neck. Dr. Tobin openly admits he used a still picture to arrive at this figure. Obviously I don't need to explain why this has all sorts of issues.

But all in all, great day for prosecution.

And so what about a murder victim? God made someone just so they could have their life cut short by a murderer? And presumably, the murderer will be locked up in prison for the rest of their life, so god made someone to be locked in a cage like an animal? And out of curiosity, when millions of kids die of malnutrition every year, is that their freedom to die of starvation?

Maybe put a NSFW warning on that picture badecker? Anyway, wasn't Covid fake or something?  So how is it going to make the world inhabitable. And one thing I always wondered about religious people -- everything is god's creation...which would also mean Covid, which has killed 1 million plus people, would also be god's creation.

So the holy spirit purposefully invented Covid to kill innocent people? Maybe your god needs religion.

I disagree with this. The police chief is just a figure head, he isn't in the academy training anyone. It's like talking to a restaurant owner and asking him how to cook a steak. You'd ask the chef, not the owner. And let's not forget he was appointed by Jacob Frey 3 years ago and would probably be canned immediately if he served any use to the defense, but that's just speculation which I openly will admit.


It's because he was trained to do this, to some extent. The 3 minutes when Floyd went unresponsive is questionable. And I saw the Lt. testify today which you quoted above. Did you see the cross examination? It was damning.

Here's the transcript - https://www.rev.com/transcript-editor/shared/OPG07O1TTJMVnDDr2nrBbga9WYtk87t-Rw11NfbIYNGFZVbn_hrAUh3ZKGULZAjdalEIYZSGZ6Uvqop1DUVEBacYeXk?

@5:17, the Lt. openly admits the knee is not on the back of the neck, but rather the shoulder blade. And that is completely allowed by MPD policy according to the Lt. to gain control.

And @7:38, the knee is still on the shoulder blades in another photo that was time stamped a couple minutes after the first picture. And yesterday, there was a side by side bystander video/BWC exhibit shown which showed that the bystander video angle looked as if the knee was on the back of the neck. The BWC was played simultaneously which showed his knee on the shoulder blade.

Also confirmed @9:47.

Lt. also confirms that you can use bodyweight to hold someone down until EMS arrive @13:56.

Further down Eric Nelson talks about considering the totality of the circumstances and their decision to hold someone down. So to render Floyd aid, Chauvin was thinking about the crowd, was thinking about how much Floyd fought with police prior (which is something that they're trained on), was thinking he was on drugs and could regain consciousness and begin fighting again, was thinking that he had to remove the cuffs as well. Remember from the body cam video -- Chauvin had told one of the officers to hop in the EMS car and strap Floyd in.

But set that aside. Looking at the knee. There are two questions. Where was it placed, and what was the pressure that Chuavin used. We know the knee was on Floyd's neck or at the very least, was not on Floyd's neck for a 2-3 minutes confirmed by the still photos, and we don't have evidence that the neck was being drilled down by Chauvin and all of his 140 pounds onto 230 lbs, 6'3 George Floyd.

This Lt., in contrast with all the other witnesses, had to concede that the neck restraint used was justified and permitted, but the disagreement is about *how long* the knee was used. And if we're considering the totality of the circumstances and *not* using 20/20 hindsight bias, was it reasonable for Chauvin to believe that shoulder restraint was needed given that the crowd was hostile, the cuffs would need to be removed in order to do CPR, Floyd regained consciousness and could begin fighting again, Floyd was extremely agitated, kicking his legs, just prior to being restrained...I'm inclined to believe "probably". I wasn't in their shoes so it's hard to know for sure. I get the luxury of using hindsight bias, they don't have that luxury. And Nelson makes this exact point too.

And just a quick point on the homicide aspect of this. Homicide is not murder. If Floyd died because of the stress of the situation on his heart, something that would not normally kill but for drugs in his system, that isn't the officer's fault. Homicide here means but for the actions of the officers, Floyd would be alive. Meaning had not police been called to the scene, Floyd's heart rate would not have skyrocketed, therefore he would not have died. That's all homicide means. That doesn't mean drugs were not the main contributing factor of death, or the deciding factor of death.

Day 7 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A2BljSyylIQ

Worth watching some of the highlights tbh. Maybe just skip through.

Defense is making a good case for reasonable doubt, but what I focused on today is Morries Hall. So Hall is Floyd's alleged fentanyl dealer. Guy that allegedly dumped a backpack from the car after Floyd was arrested, allegedly dumped something down a sewer drain as well, gave a fake name to police, and fled to Texas after Floyd had died -- all around swell guy really.

Well, they had a hearing about Hall invoking his 5th amendment right to avoid self incrimination. Basically, the defense would love Hall to testify because he could state that Floyd had ingested drugs prior to police approaching the side of his car. After all, semi-chewed pills were found in the police car with Floyd's DNA on them. So where did these semi-chewed pills come from? Why were they half chewed? One can only guess he swallowed them when he knew he got caught, but I guess only Hall can really say.

And IF it turns out the drugs killed Floyd, guess who catches the 3rd degree murder charge?

There's two POV's, mine and the jurors. So you ask me about the jurors, his testimony matters. But I'm waiting on some of the trainers at the MPD police academy to discuss the maximal restraint technique, the police chief hasn't been a patrol guy for years. This is the state's witness after all. And would you agree these trainers would be more valuable than the police chief? Chief serves a more administrative role.

Day 6 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KyARhyjnNTM

I only watched the Dr.'s testimony because quite frankly, the Chief of police's testimony was worthless. Chief of police is a politician at that point, so there wasn't anything he said that was too much of value (that hadn't already been mentioned before).

But some important highlights from Dr. Langenfeld.

He originally speculated hypoxia which caused cardiac arrest. And hypoxia is often a result of asphyxiation. So it seems reasonable that asphyxia is what he was thinking of when Floyd came into the ER, and of course, the media latch onto this without listening to anything else he said. Sigh.

But, on the cross examination by Nelson, it was made clear that Dr. Langenfeld did not have any info on Floyd's drug ingestion. And how could he? The police never told the paramedics about drugs, paramedics never told the doc, so this had to have an effect on what his initial diagnosis was. And Dr. Langenfeld admitted that fentanyl would have an effect on breathing. It is used in the anesthesia after all.

Side note, Eric Nelson also showed some BWC and when EMS arrived on scene, it showed Chauvin's knee clearly on the upper back of Floyd, and not on the neck. He did a side-by-side comparison of the bystander footage, and the BWC that were time synced and it shows that the bystander video is a bit misleading and shows Chauvin's knee on the back of the neck, while the BWC angle shows his knee lower than that.

But, I have not closely look at the BWC enough to see if that was the case for the entire 9+ minutes. I doubt Chauvin's knee was even in angle for that entire period of time.

Law enforcement takes away no ones freedom. It’s politicians that take away freedom, and police are forced to abide by the law.

So really the anger should be against politicians, and it’s not like politicians are doing lockdowns for nefarious reasons. They just tend to be incompetent. What you might attribute to some greater conspiracy is really just people being idiots.

They don't need to leave the country, they will just leave their state in order to avoid paying high taxes on the state level. See California residents leaving to states with lower taxes because democrat leadership has made the tax rate completely insane to pay for their woke green policies.

I think China saw Trump as petty, unhinged, and unstable. Joe Biden is going to make concessions because he's just there as a figure head, not there to push policy. Trump, as big as his ego was, would tweet about foreign policy if he saw China doing something he didn't like. Wasn't was productive, but Joe Biden is barely alive and isn't going to be the one to stand up to China.

Of course the Chinese and Russia want Biden in charge. A bridge builder will make concessions, and Biden is not totally with us, so of course the enemies of modern democracy will view the US as a fallible opponent. But who knows, when Kamala Harris takes over, perhaps things might be different. China/Russia might view her as more of a threat.

Short day, wrapped up by lunch time - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E4XNcAZaeSQ


Only had two witnesses today. MPD sgt who basically went over some administrative stuff about critical incidents (critical incident is defined as an event involving serious injury or death to an officer or suspect).

Last witness was current Lt. for the MPD. Suffice it to say, he was devastating for the defense today. Openly stated that the knee was too much force, should not have been held for as long as it did because it can kill, and that once Floyd was no longer resisting, it should have came up. Really tough for Eric Nelson to navigate out of that, and he wasn't really successful during the cross examination.

https://twitter.com/GovPhilScott/status/1377605174320099335

Um, so yeah...this seems incredibly racist. If you told me decades ago that some moron politician would say something like this, I would call you a liar. But unfortunately times have changed so we've now prioritized medical care by race. So if you're white you can't sign up for a potentially life saving vaccine quite yet?

See, my issue here is that Chauvin probably was thinking about this to an extent so you're not wrong, but to me it's just tough for optics that the restraint was held and chest compressions weren't started. If the argument is that the crowd was angry and that diverted Chauvin's attention, then it surely seems like the paramedics were in the same mindset because they did a load and go, meaning they did not render aid right there on scene. They drove 3 blocks.

If the situation was as dire as the paramedics testified, shouldn't they have utilized all the resources they had on the scene instead of driving away 3 blocks which took away valuable time? So there's truth to your statement, but I just don't think the average person is going to think about that, so they'll listen to the sgt. who testified the knee should've come off.

But, it's also worth noting that the prosecution is on offense here. These are the state's witnesses. The defense surely will probably have someone testify about MPD policy in regards to angry crowds.

I didn't mention this above but the paramedics also testified, basically, that the cops don't even have the most basic EMT training. So the obvious question is -- Is it reasonable to believe that Chauvin should have recognized the medical severity of the situation and started compressions? The police had already stepped up medical, keep in mind. So who knows?

Again, I just don't feel today was a great day for the defense. It's hard to justify them not starting compressions so I can't defend them there. I can only speculate why Chauvin didn't, because the argument by the prosecution is that Chauvin didn't because he's a racist murderous piece of shit clearly. I tend to doubt that.


I agree.