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1601  Economy / Economics / Re: While banks keep failing, Bitcoin has proven to be reliable on: May 18, 2015, 05:19:25 AM
This article headline is misleading. Certainly hearing that 575 banks failed since 2008 is a big statistic. But it's misleading because it makes people think that the customers lost their savings, which isn't what happened. The only example used in the article is Washington Mutual (WaMu), WaMu failed and was bought out by a competing bank. The only change the customers noticed was a different name of their bank. The only hardship the customers noticed was having to get used to a new website for their online banking.

To be fair, how many bitcoin users have lost their bitcoins since 2008? A shit ton! Way more than customers of banks have lost their savings.

I love bitcoin. I'm a supporter. I just don't like it when people use misleading facts to push bitcoin forward, bitcoin doesn't need that kind of bullshit help.
1602  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WTS] Casascius Coins on: May 18, 2015, 05:12:04 AM
Nice coins. I struggle with your valuations.

You're pricing the error coin at 6x face value?!? You realize that it's the most second common coin issued by Mike, right? Over 5,000 of these error coins remain funded (of a 6,000 mintage).

And the "tenth" coin is going for 15x face value? I guess I see your rationale for the higher valuation, because only 800 where minted, but 15x is way too much.

I look forward to seeing what these coins go for. My opinion is only my own but I believe the rationale on some of the offer prices for these coins are just insane and, worse, without logic. I think it's an important discussion for us all to have.

Cant speak for the error coin but if you find a casas tenth below 1 BTC please let me know.  Would buy em at that price point all day.  1.55 btc is not too far fetch.  They have been selling in and around there for awhile now.

Why should the tenth be 15 times more expensive than other coins with similar mintage? Just because people want that much doesn't mean people should be paying it. I bought my tenth for BTC0.71.

If we want fair prices we have to agree to only give fair bids and only accept fair offers.
1603  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WTS] Casascius physical coins on: May 18, 2015, 04:58:05 AM
Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal Shocked.

Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past.


Quickseller stated it above.  Loaded 1BTC casascius coins that sell for 3BTC are receiving a premium of 2BTC for the coin.  The premium is the amount over the face value loaded and not a multiple of the face value.  This coin has to be exceptionally rare, especially in the buyers eye to gain a price of 75BTC with a premium of 50BTC.

I was just reading the casascius threads where the 1BTC coins were sold at 1.25BTC + 1BTC for shipping and 25BTC coins were sold at 28BTC + 1BTC for shipping.  I'm not saying such a premium isn't warranted for this coin as I don't know the specifics of the backstory and previous ownership, but I'm guessing a 3BTC premium back in the day was probably like $30-40?  Right now a 2BTC premium is around $475 which means there is quite a difference and we can just imagine what happens to a 50BTC premium, eh?   Wink (approx. $12,000)

How many of these coins were produced that make them this rare?

I disagree. A valuation multiple is how one arrives at the premium. You or Quicksilver or anyone can say - all casascius coins should be sold for the same nominal amount over face value - it could be BTC1, BTC2, BTC10, whatever. The relationship between that amount and face value is the valuation multiple.

You're right that the premium isn't a valuation multiple (they're different things). But I disagree with how you guys are approaching this. I believe the premium paid over face shouldn't be the same. E.g., by your rationale every Casascius coin should be sold for BTC2 over face value, so a BTC1 coin should sell for BTC3 and a BTC0.10 coin should sell for BTC2.10. That doesn't make any sense!

One thing I do agree on is getting the conversation and debate out there. Here's a link to the mintage -> http://www.spotcoins.com/bitcoin/casascius
1604  Economy / Economics / Re: How to save money. on: May 18, 2015, 04:15:31 AM
One important first step to saving money is paying off debt. Debt DOES make one a slave. Forever making payments. Lose the debt and you'll gain control and freedom.

Also, as you start saving consider how much you'll need to meet your real goal. For example if you want to save for retirement you should evaluate how much money you'll need. It costs two people (a couple) $219,000 to eat...just EAT...in retirement. Do the math: 2 ppl x 3 meals each a day x $5 avg. cost per meal x 20 years...$219,000. Insane!

Get saving!
1605  Economy / Collectibles / Re: [WTS] Casascius physical coins on: May 17, 2015, 06:21:57 AM
Jesus 75btc for a 25btc coin that's unreal Shocked.

Actually, given that BTC1 casascius coins go for 2-3 times the value of the bitcoin loaded on the coin, the BTC75 price tag isn't that far off for a BTC25 coin. I wish we had more information on what these coins have sold for in the past.
1606  Economy / Economics / Re: An Honest Introduction to Money on: May 17, 2015, 06:09:58 AM
How does bitcoin fit into the standard definition and traditional role of money? how might it change money? Are you going to have subsequent commentary that extend beyond this introduction? Have you linked this up with any of the other money supply and currency use discussions going on in this forum?

It would be nice to get a healthy, educated debate going on the key challenges facing bitcoin and "money".
1607  Economy / Services / Re: DA DICE Signature Campaign - 'Da' BEST Yet | HIGHEST RATES! | JOIN THE FUN! on: May 17, 2015, 06:03:47 AM
Name: Possum577
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Thanks!

I just got upped to Senior Member and added the new signature. I look forward to being reassigned at the higher rank in the spreadsheet. Thank you.
1608  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Africa or Australia on: May 17, 2015, 05:59:40 AM
i'll say australia will regulate it first, so for this reason it will be more popular there before africa, africa in some zone still lack hi-tech activity to introduce itself at bitcoin, poverty actually doesn't help , because you can't buy bitcoin and help the market to grow

Why would regulation imply greater success? Often regulation is instituted to slow down progress or growth, not to accelerate it. I haven't been following up with the BTC regulation news in Australia, so perhaps there's specific details i'm unable to consider.

I think bitcoin would serve Africa much better than Australia, here's why:
  • Africa is a continent of 54 countries, that means there's significantly more opportunity for growth
  • African Nation currencies are notorious for being inflation wild (See Zimbabwe's $100 Trillion note), which bitcoin could serve as the consistent alternative to wild inflation
  • The poor do provide goods and services and need a currency that can be denominated at much lower levels
1609  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin as a Retirement Account on: May 16, 2015, 06:37:30 AM
Too risky. The company establishing the accts could just take your coins. Plus, what if you lost your job and ended up penniless except for the BTC, you'd be the richest homeless person in the world. Wouldn't that suck? Keep ritee t funds in BTC if you want, and have the discipline to not touch it till retirement!
1610  Economy / Economics / Re: TRADITIONAL ECONOMISTS FEARING THE WORST. BUY BITCOIN NOW ? on: May 16, 2015, 06:33:54 AM

It is all QE driven. That is why whenever there was some positive news (like improvement in employment data) during QE, markets crashed because they were afraid that QE might end.

This is true. But don't you think that every negative turn despite positive news gets us closer to absorbing the impacts of the end of QE? Eventually the markets will have reacted as much as they ever will to QE and we'll be back on our own way...with the market reaction to new news only.
1611  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is Bitcoin still a slave of Fiat? on: May 16, 2015, 03:59:46 AM
Why is Bitcoin tied to Fiat? Why is Bitcoin value moving like a stock? satoshi said the value will be derived by the limit of total coins. But we are seeing the opposite. Why dont we mathematically calculate the value of bitcoin according to the amount of bitcoin mined?

Like

Agreed Value * Bitcoins Mined = New Value

0.0010 * 1 = 0.0010
0.0010 * 2 = 0.0020

Your calculation is for market capitalization, which is different from price. Price for anything is built by supply and demand, this is true for currency as much as it is for stock. But of course for currency there are governments to control supply, which can keep the price stable or let it run out of control.

Bitcoin isn't tied to fiat, if the dollar goes up the price of Bitcoin doesn't go up with it.
1612  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin vs Apple Pay on: May 15, 2015, 06:58:38 PM
I think a better question is - who from the bitcoin community is working with Apple to have them accept BTC on the Apple Pay transaction network?

It would certainly be easy for some bitcoin folks in the Bay Area to get a meeting with Apple, has anyone heard rumors of this sort?

The more bitcoin becomes a currency of choice the more transaction services like Apple Pay, Venmo, and the godfather PayPal will find it critical to include the digital currency as an option. It's all about how many transactions can they get, right now bitcoin doesn't have enough transactions to make it viable for inclusion.

Just my BTC0.12376...
1613  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Coinbase App Update Enables Mobile Sign Up on: May 15, 2015, 04:54:18 PM
This is interesting, it's good to know that Coinbase is spending time and effort on improving their mobile app. The thing I don't like the most about their mobile app is that one can't scroll through their various wallets to review balance information, transaction history, or select which account to make/receive payments. Currently the app defaults to one's Primary Address and there's very little insight one can gain about their account. To facilitate transactions to that primary address, the app does quite well.

I look forward to seeing more updates from Coinbase.
1614  Economy / Services / Re: DA DICE Signature Campaign - 'Da' BEST Yet | HIGHEST RATES! | JOIN THE FUN! on: May 15, 2015, 04:46:40 PM
Name: Possum577
Position: Full Member
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Thanks!
1615  Economy / Services / Re: [BIT-X.com] Earn Bitcoins by Posting | Signature Campaign on: May 15, 2015, 04:40:13 PM
Marco, I'm trying to access my the http://bitsig.website/beta/ site, entering my UID and I'm getting the message "no slots available, please try again later."

Is the campaign closed?

Thanks

If you failed to read the first 3 lines of the OP, ... are you sure that you will know what to do to be OK in the campaign? Smiley

FYI:
NEW SIGNATURES! Please Update Them Smiley
New enrolments closed for the time being.
Highly active/known members may still apply through PM, I will then review your application

Thanks for this.

Further in the OP, where the details on how to enroll exist there's the comment: "Available Spots: All Available"
1616  Economy / Services / Re: [BIT-X.com] Earn Bitcoins by Posting | Signature Campaign on: May 15, 2015, 04:33:31 PM
Marco, I'm trying to access the http://bitsig.website/beta/ site, entering my UID and I'm getting the message "no slots available, please try again later."

Is the campaign closed?

Thanks
1617  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: IBM Rumored to Be Developing Bitcoin Alternative on: March 13, 2015, 04:47:50 AM
I don't think they can replace it...but they can use it or innovate within the system to get it to benefit their business or offer a new element/service, etc.

Cons for them...they're WAY behind.

Pros for us...further validates the value of bitcoin, the technology, the system...
1618  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is this genuis or stupid? on: March 13, 2015, 02:32:55 AM
What you're explaining is what bitshares does, it essentially says the same thing on their website.
1619  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: A Fireside Chat with Charles Hoskinson on: March 13, 2015, 02:24:44 AM
Thanks for indulging me, I knew I just hadn't been around long (or involved deep) enough to know the significant nature of your work. I'm sure you see all the new people coasting around here so I'm sure other newer folks appreciate the proper introduction to your name and the big projects you've founded!

I'll be sure to check out the discussion with deBitcoin youtube channel to educate myself!
1620  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: whats the most creative way of keeping bitcoins in cold storage on: March 13, 2015, 02:22:47 AM
Nothing beats backup, back up the key in different geographical locations remove the need to protect a single point of failure, and keeping several copies at your relatives might give them chance to retrieve it once you were caught by an incident

I back everything up in 2 locations and 3 different drives. Backup is the best way to preserve something I used to love watching people at uni who stored all their assignments on a thumb drive only for it to fail. I'd ask if they'd backed it up... They learnt to do so quickly

What's "uni"?
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