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1161  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 30, 2014, 07:12:07 AM
I find it interesting that after the rate change, the prices on this bond dropped to a point that the actual return is roughly at 7% again.  Cheesy Definitely a steal, IMO.

I was thinking the same thing. 

yeah very odd. i have been making reasonable time in paying people who want to sell at 1 btc. not sure why the panic selling. great deal for you guys.

hell, i might start buying some back Smiley
1162  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 30, 2014, 07:06:46 AM
Here are some posts related to TYGRR.BOND-P that Goat deleted for some reason...

i have said before if someone wants to sell i will buy at 1. they just need to let me know how much and give me a reasonable amount of time to get the funds to glbse.


Has this been revoked?


pirate is lowering his rates on some accounts (looks like bitcoin price increase finally cought him). Are your rates staying at 6.8%?

I don't know, i just found out myself. I'm not sure what I will get from Pirate. I will adjust as I said in the thread if the rates do get lowered.

There was a set rule forthis.


If your account is applied "BTC 25,000 + 5%," as would remain for TYGRR.BOND-P? This should be clear as soon as possible.

I just woke up and have not read the thread/contract but I think it will change to 4.85%
1163  Bitcoin / Development & Technical Discussion / Re: (non-ultimate) blockchain compression? on: May 30, 2014, 05:56:43 AM
blocks/blk*.dat could probably benefit from some sort of compression. These files are reasonably compressible and very large, but they're not accessed very frequently. It might also be good to compress blocks before sending them to peers, especially when they're downloading many blocks. The other files are already compressed about as well as they can be without hurting performance, or small enough that it doesn't matter.
1164  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 30, 2014, 05:15:18 AM

best would be to send me the bonds now then i pay for them once i pay out the dividends on Tuesday.

let me know when you have sent them and send me a btc address for the coins.


Chaang-Noi  Smiley
Ok, I just sent you 427 shares of TYGRR.BOND-P.  To be redeemed for 427*(whatever the payout rate is next Monday).  Please verify you received the bonds Smiley

i see them, Tuesdays are a crazy day for me and the next day im on a flight to Thailand for like 40 plus hours sooo... if i forget just remind me and i will send. best to remind me Monday and Tuesday just in case lol.

thanks mate.
1165  Alternate cryptocurrencies / Altcoin Discussion / Re: Giveaway threads are not allowed on: May 30, 2014, 12:35:19 AM
Can you please unlock the PND thread, it was unjustly locked for a situation that wasn't properly instigated.

The OP was paying people who posted their addresses in the thread. This violates the rule:

Specifically, you are not allowed to give people any incentive to post insubstantial posts in your threads.

I don't care why they were paying people.
1166  Other / Meta / Re: Why the name on: May 30, 2014, 12:07:14 AM
The forum was originally located at, then later, then finally IIRC, Satoshi left before the forum was moved from The name "BitcoinTalk" was not invented by Satoshi, Sirius, Gavin, justmoon, or myself. I wonder if anyone here can guess who came up with the name? Smiley
1167  Other / Meta / Re: Accuracy down to 98% on: May 29, 2014, 05:57:38 AM
Here are some updated stats:

MembergroupAverage accuracy
Jr. Member52%
Full Member59%
Sr. Member63%
Hero Member73%

In all, there have been 27,689 good reports, 8129 bad reports, and 1067 unhandled reports.

I think that this is all pretty good! Any accuracy percentage above ~25% is probably fine.
1168  Economy / Auctions / Advertise on this forum - Round 122 on: May 29, 2014, 04:33:28 AM
The forum sells ad space in the area beneath the first post of every topic page. About 25% of ad income goes to the forum moderators as thanks for all of their work. (There are many moderators, so each moderator gets only a small amount -- moderators should be seen as volunteers, not employees.) The rest is stored in the forum's treasury (verifiably), where it sits until the forum needs it.

Ads are allowed to contain any non-annoying HTML/CSS style. No images, JavaScript, or animation (no marquee or blinking). Ads must appear 3 or fewer lines tall in my browser (Firefox, 700px wide). Ad text may not contain lies, misrepresentation, or inappropriate language. Ads may not link directly to any NSFW page. Ads may be rejected for other reasons, and I may remove ads even after they are accepted.

There are 10 total ad slots which are randomly rotated. So one ad slot has a one in ten chance of appearing. Eight of the slots are for sale here. Ads appear only on topic pages with more than one post, and only for people using the default theme.

The ad lasts at least 7 days starting from when I put it up. (However, if you look at the ad history you'll see that ads usually get at least 8 days, and sometimes as many as 10, but this is random and definitely not guaranteed.)


Exact historical impression counts per slot:

Info about the current ad slots:

Ad blocking

Hero members, Donators, VIPs, and moderators have the ability to disable ads. I don't expect many people to use this option. These people don't increase the impression counts for your ads.

I try to bypass Adblock Plus filters as much as possible, though this is not guaranteed. It is difficult or impossible for ABP filters to block the ad space itself without blocking posts. However, filters can match against the URLs in your links, your CSS classes and style attributes, and the HTML structure of your ads.

To prevent matches against URLs: I have some JavaScript which fixes links blocked by ABP. You must tell me if you want this for your ads. When someone with ABP and JavaScript enabled views your ads, your links are changed to a special randomized URL which redirects to your site when visited. People without ABP are unaffected, even if they don't have JavaScript enabled. The downsides are:
- ABP users will see the redirection link when they hover over the link, even if they disable ABP for the forum.
- Getting referral stats might become even more difficult.
- Some users might get a warning when redirecting from https to http.

To prevent matching on CSS classes/styles: Don't use inline CSS. I can give your ad a CSS class that is randomized on each pageload, but you must request this.

To prevent matching against your HTML structure: Use only one <a> and no other tags if possible. If your ads get blocked because of matching done on something inside of your ad, you are responsible for noticing this and giving me new ad HTML.

Auction rules

Post your bids in this thread. Prices must be stated in BTC per slot. You must state the max number of slots you want. When the auction ends, the highest bidders will have their slots filled until all eight slots are filled.

I reserve the right to reject bids, even days after the bid is made. In particular, bids from people with less than 15 activity points are likely to be rejected. I recommend not getting into a bidding war with someone who has less than 15 activity points, as their bids might not be accepted, but your latest bids will still stand. If you need to know right away whether someone's bids will be accepted, PM me.

So if someone bids for 8 slots @ 5 BTC and this is the highest bid, then he'll get all 8 slots. If the two highest bids are 8 slots @ 4 BTC and 1 slot @ 5 BTC, then the first person will get 7 slots and the second person will get 1 slot.

The notation "2 @ 5" means 2 slots for 5 BTC each. Not 2 slots for 5 BTC total.

- When you post a bid, the bids in your previous posts are considered to be automatically canceled. You can put multiple bids in one post, however.
- All bid prices must be evenly divisible by 0.05.
- The bidding starts at 0.50.
- I will end the auction at an arbitrary time no more than 12 days from now. (I will probably end the auction 1-3 days before the ads are scheduled to go up.)
- If two people bid at the same price, the person who bid first will have his slots filled first.
- Bids are considered invalid and will be ignored if they do not specify both a price and a max quantity, or if they could not possibly win any slots

If these rules are confusing, look at some of the past forum ad auctions to see how it's done.

You must pay for your slots within 24 hours of receiving the payment address. Otherwise your slots may be sold to someone else.
1169  Economy / Auctions / Re: Advertise on this forum - Round 121 on: May 29, 2014, 04:25:34 AM
Auction ended. Final result:

Slots BTC/Slot Person
1 5.50 Zoomhash_michael
4 5.05 BITMAIN
3 5.00 FXO
1170  Other / New forum software / Re: Multi-quote button? on: May 29, 2014, 04:15:12 AM
You can click the "insert quote" links when composing a reply.
1171  Economy / Services / Re: ★★★ HIGHEST SIGNATURE PAYMENT ON THE BOARD - NEW RATES - ★★★ on: May 28, 2014, 02:19:24 AM
i posted the link to the thread as proof but since then the OP has been edited a bunch of times i never screen sniped it as i never felt the need to i will ask theymos if he is willing to look at the edits

Here are the edits. (The numbers in <>s are timestamps. They separate each edit.) Looks like you were right.
1172  Other / Meta / Re: Deleted PMs Accessible by Admin? on: May 27, 2014, 02:45:53 AM
If both sender and recipient of a PM deletes it, then it's deleted from the database completely and I can't access it except through the daily database backups. (This is a massive pain, so don't expect me to do it for you...)

Deleted/edited posts are always saved forever.
1173  Other / Meta / Re: BitcoinTalk URL redirect on: May 26, 2014, 02:52:03 AM
How about Turkish? would be nice.

1174  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 25, 2014, 10:55:39 PM
i am happy to announce there is going to be a solution to this. Gurrty will get back his fair valued "investment" as suggested by theymos. The first step is to find the value of the assets traded for the contract as theymos advised. Since theymos is GLBSE owner he is the best fit to advise how much the asset traded was worth.

We will wait for the owner of GLBSE, theymos, to respond before the arrangement of the payment.

theymos, please advise us on what your assets were worth at the time.

Thank you for your advice and assistance in this matter.

I was not the owner of GLBSE. GLBSE was clearly owned by Nefario, as he was able to shut down the site without the approval of BitcoinGlobal, and despite my own vehement protests. However, I do have some knowledge of the GLBSE market situation at the time, so I'll be happy to advise in this case.

The contract is nonsensical and should be thrown away, but Gurrty deserves the value of his principal back. After some research, I've determined that the GLBSE market price of TYGRR.BOT was between 0.75 BTC and 1.04 BTC per share around June 5, 2012, but only for much smaller volumes. Since the contract's specified price of 1 BTC per share is within this range, I believe that it is best to take this price to be the actual value of the shares at the time of the contract. Therefore, the principal was worth 5762 BTC, or 30,999.56 USD at the time. Adding a reasonable 12% interest rate compounded daily for 1.97 years results in 39,265.02 USD. I judge that this is the amount owed to Gurrty by Goat.

Thankfully, I don't have to give out scammer tags anymore, so you can take this judgement or leave it...
1175  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 25, 2014, 07:49:13 PM
Theymos has claimed the same yet still remains to explain his reasoning on why he thinks Goat should pay the OP back a portion.

The contract clearly establishes debt:
With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt

However, because the contract says "best effort" (and is vague in general), I don't believe that Goat should be required to follow the exact terms of the contract, especially since he clearly had difficulties at the time. But he should pay at least the USD value of the principal (= the market value of the shares) at the time, and probably more because he defaulted on the contract and the BTC is worth much more now.
1176  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 25, 2014, 05:12:15 PM
Of course asking him to pay the full amount in BTC may be unreasonable but it isnt to expect him to pay a portion of the BTC as the repayment was to be over 100 weeks. In that time OP would have made quite a bit of $ too. That needs to be considered as well.

Yeah, I agree, though maybe we disagree about the appropriate percentage that should be repaid. Looks like this won't be settled here, though.

Yes. Not all of the PMs have been posted

If either of you want me to publish a complete list of the PMs between you, I can do that.

Anyway I have a suggestion for you. The list of VIP's that donated 50BTC to this forum reads almost like a "who's who" of bitcoin scammers. zhoutong, pirateat40, Graet,  imsaguy, TradeFortress, cryptoxchange..  Why dont you do your part, and refund Goat's 50BTC to Gurrty, and strip Goat of his VIP privileges?  At least it would be some small restitution to Gurrty,  it would show you do not want to be paid with stolen money and scammers can not buy protection from you with their stolen money, and if Goat wants to regain his VIP status, let him cough up the coins himself.

If I did that, then I'd have to hold all donated funds forever just in case the donator scammed someone, and the donations would be useless. The forum is not an insurance company.

I have reported Three more PMs to theymos.

Here they are:

I think we should meet in person. When can you get here?
It seems you should contact your broker because our records show at this time are owed nothing. If your records show differently please present the evidence, keep in mind all contracts you have made. Also if you would like to contact the FBI and or the SEC it is your right.

Best of luck
After looking up our records it seems this is an attempt to black mail me. Please do not contact me again or I will be forced to act accordingly. Please have your lawyer contact my lawyer if there is anything that needs to be done in a civil way. I will not speak to you again.
1177  Other / Meta / Re: Accuracy down to 98% on: May 25, 2014, 04:49:58 PM

Ref links are allowed if they're on-topic, which this is.
1178  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 25, 2014, 04:35:31 AM
I think any court would find the terms of the contract insane enough to make the whole thing null and void.

And also that Goat owes Gurrty the full principal, if Gurrty can establish that he sent the money.

In a nutshell: If it can be established that you gave me a million dollars according to some completely insane contract, and the contract is found to be invalid... I don't get to keep the million.

A court would also interpret the principal in terms of fiat value at the time.

It's not reasonable to expect Goat to pay millions of dollars because he stupidly lost a few thousand dollars years ago. At the same time, Gurrty was denied the chance to maybe make lots of money by holding onto the BTC, so he deserves more than just the principal IMO. But not the full BTC amount. (What are the chances that Gurrty would have held onto this BTC until now if he was so careless as to loan it to Goat?)
1179  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 25, 2014, 04:07:51 AM
Personally, I think that a partial repayment would be reasonable even if Goat can afford the whole thing. The contract says "best effort", and the money probably was really lost and not just pocketed by Goat. Goat was apparently investing almost entirely in Pirate or other funds investing in Pirate at the time.

Maybe it would be reasonable to take the USD value of that BTC at the time of the contract and then apply the contract's compounding interest to this amount.
1180  Economy / Scam Accusations / Re: His Most Eminent Highness Grand Caesar Imperator Goat owe me 3740.35 BTC on: May 25, 2014, 03:16:05 AM
These PMs are real:

This is a working draft of the contract. Let me know what you think.


This contract is between member Gurrty and member Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team. Debt owner is Gurrty and borrower is Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his Tygrr-bot team.

Gurrty will transfer his 5762 Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team. With this contract it will be equal to 5762 bitcoin in debt. Payments are to be made once a week for 100 weeks. After 100 payments have been made the contract and all debt is void.
Payments will be made Tuesday evening Thailand time.

All payments goes to bitcoin address; 16tiv9us2QimyEXpaVoaJ6QZi1k38TArN9

Gurrty takes responsibility to notify Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team with a new bitcoin address if Gurrty would need to change it.

This contract will start to take effect after approval and when Gurrty has transferred all of his Tygrr-Bot bonds to Chaang Noi (Goat) ช้างน้อย and his team.
The debt will be used for the bot and other potential revenue generating projects.   The specific investments which the debt are used for will not be disclosed specifically.
This loan is made in good faith, is not guaranteed and is provided on a best effort basis.
Gurrty acknowledges that bitcoinica at the time of the writing of the contract holds 700 of the total BTC debt of TyGrr-Bot. His portion of the debt will not be refunded if bitcoinica does not refund Tygrr-Bot the 700 btc. The last part of the loan will not be repaid if bitcoinica does not refund the btc.
The loan will be repaid back 1% plus 1% interest each week. Once the 1% payment is made the loan debt will be reduced by 1%. The loan will be repaid in 100 week.
If a payment cannot be made on time it should be paid as soon as able. The interest will be added back to the loan debt until it is able to be paid.
Chaang-Noi and team has the right to buy back the debt from Gurrty at a price of 1 BTC for each Tygrr-bot share reaming at anytime.  
This contract is not permitted to change and it is what is written.
Hello Gurrty,

I am glad things are progressing. I will try and set up a google document for us to keep track of this. Give me some time to work on it.

I will start paying you for a full week next Tuesday (assuming you send the bonds by then).

Please send the bonds to Chaang-Noi on GLBSE.

Thank you.
I would like to confirm I got 5212 TyGrr-Bot bonds.

Thank you.
Hello Gurrty,

Having cash flow problems right now. The contract is not guaranteed and filled with best intent. However good news, in the next 3 or 4 days I should get 5000 BTC so maybe we can clear most of this soon.

Hello Gurrty,

Different people owe me about $400,000 US and are not paying me. The pirate default has not helped me at all. I am taking legal action against one of the members (and if that will not work I will be going to the FBI) and as you know we are taking action against bitcoinica as well. Just about everyone in the bitcoin world has defaulted or has had their coin stolen.

I am trying very hard to recover not only your coin but mine as well. This last year of my being involved in bitcoin has cost me what I was able to save in 10 years. It is has been a disaster for everyone.

I am trying my best. BTW Matthew N. Wright who is now a scammer was the last who defaulted on the 5,000 BTC that I was going to give mostly to you. I don't know if I should sue him or write it off Sad


I have thought a lot about this a lot.

First of all my "good job" in Thailand is a respectable job but pays just over $12,000 USD a year. I need to support a family on this. However that has nothing to do with anything.

You asked me to get such a crazy rate and we made a contract. I acted in good faith and tried to meet what you demanded of me. In doing so I lost a lot more money than I would have myself. I do not think it is fair for you to ask me to bail you out. I acted honestly and in good faith.

At this point I would like you to explain to me why I should refund your investment. I would like you to please tell me what you think I did wrong.

Thank you.
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