UPDATE:As advised here by Royce and Zadicar, the definitive answer from GreenAddress tech support is that: YES. The funds would be properly sent to my wallet - if bestmixer.io initiates a send back to the same addressI communicated this to bestmixer.io as follows: Bestmixer.io: Per GreenAddress, I've confirmed that funds will be properly returned to me if you send to the original transaction address. Thus, you can assure return to the rightful owners and there is NOT a logical reason that you need me to sign this address (which is not technically feasible). Per GreenAddress support: " In that case, if that is indeed your address, and they simple send back to that address > then it will arrive in your wallet. > In your case I think your transaction is this one: > > https://blockstream.info/tx/***************************************** > > This has a single input, spending from a UTXO with address > **********************************, which you say belongs to your wallet*. > > In that case, if that is indeed your address, and they simple send back to that address > then it will arrive in your wallet. > > Does that answer the question? > > Rick " Now the ball is in their court to act with integrity. Bestmixer has no legitimate reason to not resolve this situation. This sounds good. Feel free to post an update once you hear back from them. By the way, it's Royse not Royce Cheers :-) |
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Before submitting the scam report, here is another "out of box" idea that occurred to me:
[ I can propose this IF bestmixer.io continues to insist that it needs 100% proof that I'm the source. And I can suggest this whether they are taking this position sincerely or not ]
My idea to resolve is to provide remote access to my computer and/or simply provide the credentials/ownership of my wallet.
I don't have any other significant funds in this wallet (maybe $40) and the entire transaction history is less than a month with minimal transactions.
(This would probably have to been done via a third party escrow agent)
And of course, I would disconnect / air-gap my main data drive or even re-image my computer for security.
Don't do this. Do not give access to anyone of your computer. Even though you do not have significant amount of money but giving away wallet information basically takes everything away from your hand. Create the scam accusations and see their responses. Also let them know the link of the scam accusations page. There will be other forum members as well who will give you advice but I am sure no one will tell you to give your wallet credentials. If returning the balance to the address where it came from gives you your Bitcoin back then bestmixer.io should return it. I do not see any issue there. |
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If I understand correctly, OP has sent BTC using coinbase. Now, even if bestmixer sent BTC back to that address, OP will not receive that BTC.
OP used GreenAddress wallet (I never used that before, I have no idea). By the way, this is really worse case scenario. If someone use coinbase (I am not sure how coinbase works) or any other exchange then this reverse back the transaction is not gonna work. |
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Yep, since the site is new, for a while, until you get a good name, I also suggest you to use an escrow.
I like the fact that the block hash is used for selecting the winner. And also I find interesting the idea with the commercials, although I don't know what can be shown on such a small size. (Edit: I've seen now 2 bought squares, cool!)
What I don't like is that from every 2BTC you collect, you give out 1BTC as prize. I would have understood 20%, maybe 25% too... but half of the money is a bit much imho. And this is at 0.002BTC from the site, not the 0.005BTC from the ANN...
The amount on the site and this ANN must be a typo. I hope they fix it. By the way, I see the money is already there: https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1WinitJzbmwjYo3SKxsbaKXPxP4UQWsBMInstead of they holding it, they can simply find a trusted escrow here and ask the escrow to hold the fund. |
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I like the concept however since you do not have any reputation in the forum, I will suggest to escrow the prize money to a trusted forum member and then market the website. The escrow will ensure that the winner will get paid 100% Good luck. Should all the 0-999 slots be filled first before you draw your winner ?
I think the slots needed to be filled before the draw. |
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Royse:
? Just to be clear, is it fair to say that Bestmixer.io has no logical reason to refuse to simply return the funds back to the original send address (i.e., effect a reversal of the transaction?). Are we fairly certain there aren't technical obstacles (due to the multi-sig wallet)?
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I do not see any technical obstacles here. If A and B are two Bitcoin address and coin has sent from A to B then the same coin (minus tx fee obviously) can be send back to address A from address B. There should not be any difficulty despite any of them are multiSig, or segwit or legacy or anything else. I do not see any logical reason for Bestmixer.io to refuse the return. You are welcome bud and happy to help you to find the ways to resolve the issue. |
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I appreciate the effort to help Royce...
Thus far, the only reply I received from GreenAddress suggests that I wouldn't have all the keys to do this - as indicated by quintuple:
"Your question is answered in our Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) document which you can
> > find at h̲t̲t̲ps̲://gr̲e̲e̲n̲a̲d̲d̲r̲e̲s̲s̲.i̲t̲/f̲a̲q:
> > Please see the section "Is it possible to sign arbitrary messages to prove ownership of
> > GreenAddress 2of2 accounts?" specifically, although we suggest you read the entire FAQ as
> > it contains a lot of useful information about the service.
> > To explain the reasoning, the answer is no because our wallet uses a multisignature format
> > that offers extra security.
"
Ok make sense bud. Note that I've asked bestmixer.io repeatedly to return the funds.
The transaction hash is readily seen in all the BTC explorer views
But they keep says that unless I can digitally sign with the same address (which I can't because of the multi-sig wallet) they aren't going to budge.
? I'm wondering if bitmixer.io is being unreasonably difficult, uncooperative or even disingenuous in denying this transaction ?
It is so exceedingly unlikely they would randomly have gotten this $260 (to their public address) right after I'd initiated the mixing
transaction. Even if not provable with 100% certainty, they could easily deduce that it's highly likely that I initiated this send.
(And this is especially true if one looks at traffic pattern to their public address - where this transaction is an outlier)
If something has some ideas on what to do next -and wants to take a deeper dive I will share all the details privately.
My recovery offer still applies
I do not see bitmixer.io should have any problem to send the funds back from the wallet it came from. This might be an unnecessary to push it further. I would suggest to create an Scam Accusations against them. Follow this format when you create the topic: [b][color=black]What happened:: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Scammers Profile Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Reference Link: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Amount Scammed: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Payment Method: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Proof of Payment: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]PM/Chat Logs: [/color][/b]
[b][color=black]Additional Notes: [/color][/b]
Copy and paste it in new thread then fill all data. This is there ANN topic: [ANN] BITMIXER.IO ✰ High Volume Bitcoin Mixer ✰ This is the user: BITMIXER.IOHere is a little problem is that the user is not active anymore however I think this scam accusation will help you to get the funds back. Because this will harm their reputation if you are correct. |
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Because of IPL these days we see a lot of new faces in international cricket and they are doing very well. Playing matches with big players takes away the fear of big events.
True but the fact of worry here is all about having an injury. If a big player got injured badly during IPL, team have to suffer the most on world cup. Yeah, it keeps player active and energetic. Good point. I hope the officials do their best. I am looking forward to see an eventful IPL. I am also ready to actively predict for the matches. Anyway, are you going to watch Islamabad United vs Multan Sultans today in PSL? Who do you think gonna win? My mind is blank. |
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Yeah, it was held in South Africa but I'm not sure if the reason was election. But it's not going to happen anymore, imo. Some of the cricket boards may not also allow their players to participate in IPL because of the world cup and if it happens, IPL will not be a good one this time.
I am thinking the opposite. Being in the IPL will keep the players active. In IPL matches batsmen are more into hit and win mood. This will eventually lead this world cup to have some high scoring matches. Because of IPL these days we see a lot of new faces in international cricket and they are doing very well. Playing matches with big players takes away the fear of big events. |
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Allowing to score fourteen runs on the final over of the match, that too with four and singles is really bad of the bowler. Upto ten runs it is acceptable, because a single four and further the batsman gets confident, the result shows the recovery of Australia and the beginning to the downfall of India. From my view upcoming match will also be won by Australia.
It was just one T20 lose. I am sure India will come back tomorrow and win the 2nd T20. They have the strength, home team advantage, supports everything in their favor. |
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Yes Sir, I am...
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Good to know. I am sure you have very good idea about the Indian team since it's you home team. Last two days there were not many cricket matchs however tomorrow we have India vs Australia 2nd T20, today we have PSL 26th match between Islamabad united vs Multan Sultans. Yesterday the match between WI and England was abandoned because of the rain. Anyway I will be watching today's action in the PSL. I am not sure yet who to support LOL By the way, the main topic for the BitcoinTalk IPL 2019 Prediction Pool is live. Feel free to check here. Your participation will be appreciated. The prize pot has already 0.005 BTC which obviously my entry fee. Cheers :-) |
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Guys, main event topic is live now: BitcoinTalk IPL 2019 Prediction Pool | 0.005 BTC Entry FeeI would request the following users who are already interested to start sending the entry free in the proposed escrow address: Interested users: 1. Superbu is the most popular one I know of. If we can work around this and make it like the Champions League one, I'm definitely in. Update the thread once things are finalised.
2. ~ Are you in? Y/N : Y
3. Royse777 by default :-) 4. ~ Are you in? Y
We need more people. Please join with us and have fun. Please turn on the notification for the main event topic so that you can follow our progress. Main event topic: BitcoinTalk IPL 2019 Prediction Pool | 0.005 BTC Entry FeeI am locking this topic. The topic served it's purpose. Cheers :-) |
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Discussion ongoing for IPL 2022. Please collaborate JSRAW to team up and find a sponsor
(Below information are outdated and edited to avoid any confusion) Prize pot
TBA (ninjastic BTC tool) | TBA (ninjastic BTC tool) Entry fee
BTC : 0.0004 OR LTC: 0.1200 Pool addressBTC 3LPMCQ****************6e2 LTC MKr4jMU****************ZZ1zz How to playSuperbru local rules apply. Also you can see this post. Distribution of the prize
Top 3 on the leaderboard wins
1st - 60% of the pot
2nd - 25% of the pot
3rd - 15% of the pot
Pot = Total in the wallet - 0.0004 BTC
Tx fees and other: 0.0004 Pool participants
Royse777 (BTC) : 918060d8eb1631b3433a0f92b083733b1b82cefe748228e80d98f1f2b628c81c
Haunebu (BTC) : be290e0eaf6ab23483b8398bd7cc269b373926b2718c6439d93a4b1ccfc6791e
Vishnu.Reang (BTC) : 699fa1e50e153ebcd6477669420e8051263504555ddda6338fba3e9e1893b082
JSRAW (BTC) : 1ce8b636d5e02e87ccca94a3313296375dd32a6a12b63d49eb490f11c17e92a8
BitcoinGirl.Club (BTC) : d706bc206e0d798a5f977eac5fc95771433d2dd4a5b6260aeef6ca503fbc0d83
webtricks (BTC) : 2da1b6a4e57687e9285de4aec2c67891589d3aa6547b2f4975b660a11f4a650e
Little Mouse (LTC) : b85800bf4b4fc984146555a2b1950b56f822b5b192ae8f43a849a7ca3651ef9a
Swordsoffreedom (LTC) : 9840d4839f86fe363eb8e01bd1e072f5c27a2ace022a5c1ef7bdf875d7a0b1a7
RapTarX (LTC) : fd98f4ae661a2df4a13ef4146a9dd13c5d470e64ba79b8101b4e8eb79029d9ff
teosanru (LTC) : 86f745f506855cbd378860f408f0fe23f09201ac111ee2d1507de4e521544a0d
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~ Convenient entry fee for individuals: 0.005BTC
~ Are you in? Y
Awesome bud. I have added you with the other members who are interested here. Once I will create the main event topic, I will either PM you or mention you in the topic so that you can pay the entry fees and join the pool. Hey royse, did you mean prediction in title? Can you please correct it? Also, can you please break it down how will the winner be chosen. What if I miss some matches?
Edit- I am sorry. I got it.
Pffrt, thank you very much. I feel ashamed about this typo. I already posted the same (copy pasted) wording all around LOL. Thanks for correcting it for me. By the way, are you in? I would love to see you in. Cheers :-) |
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For sponsor I have posted an auction in the auction board: Sponsor for IPL prediction pool 2019I hope we will be able to manage some sponsors. I will appreciate if anyone suggest companies/businesses to bid on the auction topic. Cheers :-) |
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We are looking for some sponsors of our IPL 2019 prediction pool main event Here is the discussion topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113733.0The draft code for the topic can be accessed here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113733.msg49912844#msg49912844 The draft design of the topic is here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113733.msg49915745#msg49915745Please bare in mind that we are tweaking the draft to perfect it. The final design/contents yet to comeIPL will last around two months, starting on 23 rd March and will end on 12 th May 2019. Eight team will face each others and there will be 62 T20 matches all together including the final. It's a very big event for T20 cricket. More information is here: https://www.iplt20.comAt the bottom of the page or may be at the top (depending on the look) of the main event topic, we will place logos of some sponsors who wants to advertise their business on that topic. Initially there will be 4 spots however I may add up two more depending on the demand. This auction will end anytime in the next few weeks (obviously before the official IPL starts) so I do not have certain time. All the payments will be going to the escrow (Prize Pot). ESCROW ADDRESS: 3BwT2i8NmSrS1a9TrvKc6MGR9rkqW7kZhW
Image size: 400x400 and please keep the logo inside the circle. Here is a sample frame. Website URL: Please avoid referral link. Provide a direct web address Auction rulesBTC only. State the maximum number of spots you want. Example: 2 @ 0.008/s (Two spots and each @0.008 BTC. Your total will be 0.16 BTC) Bid prices must be evenly divisible by 0.002 Bid starts at 0.006 BTC/s Bid increment is 0.002 BTC/s I can end the auction at any time. The winners will receive PM from me and Payment needs to be done within 24 hours or I will have to report the DT and spot will be given to the next highest bidder. I reserve the right to reject any bid. Cheers :-) |
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Ok make sense LOL I can verify the new one with brainwalletx.github.io-----BEGIN BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE-----
february 25 2019 minerjones acting as escrow for IPL 2019 Perdition Pool using address 3BwT2i8NmSrS1a9TrvKc6MGR9rkqW7kZhW
-----BEGIN SIGNATURE-----
1PtCuukTVfEb4gAxwjf2QqLCz7aR1VM6wR
IHZ303feY1NRbQR/nx+Kd1OuLcPUP8SqVBLFJ7xRiMWqbLjgz7F6sDMJxpp9VPz2T1ywQgTUdD4VuTGmTzxHL2E=
-----END BITCOIN SIGNED MESSAGE----- Cheers :-) The code for the main pool topic has updated now: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113733.msg49912844#msg49912844The current design:  |
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Looks interesting, following this thread.
Thanks bud. I have already talked with minerjones to be the escrow of the fund we will collect. Got positive feedback from him so I am waiting for him to post the escrow address. Once I will have the escrow address then I will update the code. I will also look for some sponsor once the escrow address will be finalized. It will be awesome to play together. Cheers :-) By the way, shall I add you in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113733.msg49895124#msg49895124Yes yes! I was asked to be escrow for this and accepted  ESCROW ADDRESS: 3BwT2i8NmSrS1a9TrvKc6MGR9rkqW7kZhW Below is a signed message and address for everyone: (signed with my profile address) --MESSAGE--
february 25 2019 minerjones acting as escrow for IPL 2019 Perdition Pool using address 3BwT2i8NmSrS1a9TrvKc6MGR9rkqW7kZhW
--ADDRESS--
3QwAqdobXqid5GTrmQK5AN2uXSiYqFCztR
--SIGNATURE--
JMUeeljrlg1FY+ltqICHKwSap8MnMi/Mhri8Hp2LUinnUs/oVwLK4MHHIQgaOP2msILdUYqhzZI0BWOLDh317A0=
Awesome! Thanks bud. Edit: I can't verify the message unfortunately. I tried with both Electrum and http://brainwalletx.github.io/ but no luck yet. Can you double check the signature please. Cheers :-) |
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Looks interesting, following this thread.
Thanks bud. I have already talked with minerjones to be the escrow of the fund we will collect. Got positive feedback from him so I am waiting for him to post the escrow address. Once I will have the escrow address then I will update the code. I will also look for some sponsor once the escrow address will be finalized. It will be awesome to play together. Cheers :-) By the way, shall I add you in here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5113733.msg49895124#msg49895124 |
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