Scam: (transitive) to swindle (someone) by means of a trick
No one here is being tricked. If you know what the word Ponzi means, and you invest in a site named Ponzi, is that not willingly investing and not being tricked? I agree that Gambling sites are the exact same thing, you just play them in different ways. Provably fair and such are just buzz words. It doesn't mean that the odds are fair, it just means that they give you the odds, and you agree to those odds before playing. Traditional casinos and such aren't a scam, but they aren't provably fair.
I don't see why people want to censor things rather than just allow people to use their own judgement. I agree that hidden ponzi schemes are a scam, but all of these just come right out and say they are ponzis, no false expectations, no tricks, not a scam. If someone puts money in and get burnt, what is the difference between then putting money into a dice game and losing? And before you say odds, just because Ponzis don't have published odds, doesn't mean that you can't calculate your own odds.
So if i come here and say im going to launch a lottery, 0.01 each ticket, if you get lucky you might win 1 bitcoin but im not going to tell you the odds and it is not certain if anyone will win. Thats not a scam to you because i stated clearly how it works? |
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Well shorena, someone has to decide whats right and whats wrong, you cant be 100% accurate, of course not but because you cant doesnt mean you should let every scammer do whatever they want, by your logic default trust should be eliminated aswell, since how do we know that people who is on default list is 100% correct always when they mark someone as a scammer or red trust them? Are you willing to delete default trust?
Im certainly willing to discuss default trust issue in a thread for that, yes. No reason to distract from the topic at hand. I am not asking for anyone to be 100% correct, you are. You want the scams removed, but keep the legit games. I dont know how you can decide that. I want everyone to make their own decision. Maybe <insert dice gambling site here> is a scam, there is no way to know in advance. -snip-
If you don't understand why having a section of Bitcointalk dedicated specifically to credit card fraud may not be wise from PR perspective, I can expand on that.
Edits might not get seen, its probably best if you post from your main or sit out the waiting period. The section is not named ponzis go here for a reason. If those operating these sites are legit, its a legit form of gambling. Other forms of gambling e.g. dice sites that allow crowd investments have the same trust issues and can not be considered provably fair to the investor either. How can mods decide who is posting constructive stuff and who is not? Because recently i have seen a lot of people banned complaining here, this has to do with the topic because mods answer for investor based games not being deleted is that it wouldnt be possible to identify those scams that are disguised as games, in my opinion it would be possible |
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Well shorena, someone has to decide whats right and whats wrong, you cant be 100% accurate, of course not but because you cant doesnt mean you should let every scammer do whatever they want, by your logic default trust should be eliminated aswell, since how do we know that people who is on default list is 100% correct always when they mark someone as a scammer or red trust them? Are you willing to delete default trust?
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The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads
There are cloud mining providers which are actually ponzi but they claim they ain't. If we start moderating ponzis, we will see more of these and it will be hard to differentiate scam and legitimate. Now, at least we know those are ponzis. What will happen if those come under new names and in different boards? This is exactly it. It's not really about being difficult to moderate or mods not having the time etc but if we ban them then they will just come back and hide under the cover of being legitimate operations, thus duping more people into investing not knowing what they truly are. If you don't like ponzis just don't go in that section, but it's there for people who want to gamble/invest/throw their money away on them. So having a section called "investors based games" its a better idea? What do you think a newbie thinks when he sees something like that, clicks it and see only threads like "double your money" "350% back in 2 days" etc etc. some of them would probably fall for it without knowing what a ponzi is, if you want to mantain the section, call it "Ponzis and other games that are going to run away with your money someday" |
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1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.
and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section. The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads There are cloud mining providers which are actually ponzi but they claim they ain't. If we start moderating ponzis, we will see more of these and it will be hard to differentiate scam and legitimate. Now, at least we know those are ponzis. What will happen if those come under new names and in different boards? Damn you always find a way to make them stay unmoderated, dont you, with you im refering to everyone. First of all, if you wanto cloud mine you ahould be doing it only on already trusted sites, how else can they even come like?? I dnt get your point at all. |
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Sig campaigns are overrated, people mostly want them as a source of income and post count boosting. Don't believe the hype  That's what I initially thought, it may just be a form to make some small income on the side for some people... If that's hype, then what's the best way do you think Altcoin4life? Well you could limit your sig campaign to hero members and above for example, i dont think twitter or facebook advertising is that good unless you make an audit of each account since most of them have bots, fake people, etc. so they would be pretty much advertising your site to no one. Good giveaways is more than enough in this section or games and rounds to start promoting your site |
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1. Buy a trusted senior account.
2. Start a ponzi on Bitcointalk.
3. ? ? ?
4. Wonder why Bitcoin gets horrible press.
and this is exactly, what I meant by OP...anyway, it is not on me to decide, just saying there is imho huge negative impact to bitcoin generated by this section. The problem is not the section, is allowing these kind of trash on the forum at all, just fucking ban every thread that promotes a ponzi, easy as that, no need for a section for it, but probably mods are going to come and say "its too hard to moderate all ponzies" or "we dont have time to delete all ponzies" wich is bullshit, i doubt it takes that much time to totally delete each of those ponzi threads |
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What i dont really understand is this thread, whats the point exactly? Trust is not moderated, thats one thing, second he gave you neutral feedback whats the big deal? Even if it was negative it wouldnt change your trust rating at all
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Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam.
Scams are usually where a person gets duped into something without their knowledge and Ponzis are scams because in the real world their nature is hidden, but the ones in the gambling section here aren't so people know what they're doing when they send them money. Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money.
Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid Just because the odds are uncertain doesn't mean anything especially when people are willingly taking the uncertain odds, and like whether someone chooses to smoke or not that is their choice and you have absolutely no say on that. I agree if something is clearly labeled as a HIYP/Ponzi then it is not a scam at all. If the creator tries to hide that fact then yes it is bad/scam. It doesnt matter if he hides it or not, scam: n. A fraudulent business scheme; a swindle. Its the definition of a scam, doesnt matter what, are you going to write a new dictionary? |
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Your account here is worth nothing and the other is not a valid collateral, what do you need that small amount of money for anyways? If you dont specify your reasons people will think you want to scam them
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Please stop comparing casinos with ponzies, even if a ponzi owner tells you exactly that he is going to scam you, that doesnt make it ok or equal to gambling, you have provably fair in casinos, you dont have anything when using ponzies
Why? Nobody is forcing you to gamble, nobody is forcing you to send money to a ponzi. You make the choice what to gamble your money. You might get scammed by a dice site too, and something being fair or provably fair doesn't stop something from being gambling or not but that's up to the person whether they agree to those odds which they do by participating in them. Because ponzi is the definition of scam, you can just search on wikipedia, it will tell you its a scam, if you search roulette or dice it doesnt say its a scam. Provably fair and odds, what are your odds on ponzies? Uncertain, no one knows, the owner could run any minute with your money. Its like smoking, its bad and everyone knows it, yet people chose to do it, but that doesnt make it a good thing, it only makes them stupid |
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In last couple of days, I start observing the section daily and spend couple of hours here. Why are you spending a couple of hours there? ALL (and yes, I'm not aware using word ALL here) threads here had just one purpose and it is steal people bitcoin, lure them to invest BTC and vanish.
You could argue all the sites in the Gambling section are there just to steal your money. People know what they're sending their money to and that's their choice whether they gamble on a dice site or a ponzi. Please stop comparing casinos with ponzies, even if a ponzi owner tells you exactly that he is going to scam you, that doesnt make it ok or equal to gambling, you have provably fair in casinos, you dont have anything when using ponzies |
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I got a theory. It took us millions of tears to evolve and become what we are today, but lately in the past few thousand years we have made it so far in such a short amount of time that it makes me believe that something happened a few thousand years ago that made us even smarter, i mean it took us millions of years to go from using rocks as weapons to manufacture the weapons, and now in less than a few hundreds of years we went from using horses to ride to cars, planes AND space ships
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Hi today ive encountered a weird problem, after loging in the site works extremely slow-ish for me like when you use 90% of your cpu, i tried closing everything, still slow, i restarted computer and still slow, i have been playing there before and never had that problem, is it me or the site?
Hey there mate. The site is working well on my side so might be a good idea to check one or two things. First maybe try the Lite mode. That usually works. If not that then check your cennection with your ISP perhaps I tried pretty much everything, probably my computer just went crazy, ive tried to find the lite version but i dont see it, i tried clicking on settings but it is not there |
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Hi today ive encountered a weird problem, after loging in the site works extremely slow-ish for me like when you use 90% of your cpu, i tried closing everything, still slow, i restarted computer and still slow, i have been playing there before and never had that problem, is it me or the site?
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So, a valid reason for cutting members of the campaign is that, we don't have the bankroll to pay out 30+ users. We shortened out list, and cut off the members which we felt were not giving Credits a good reputation. I PMed each of those 5 Full members personally, explaining why this happened. However, your posts were not to the standards at which we wanted, therefore we removed you from the campaign.
I hope you understand this, and am slightly disappointed you decided to open up a scam accusation thread instead of just handling this with me via PM.
Anyone else have opinions on this?
Yes i do and you should pay what you have to, he has a point, you never specified exactly the terms or that you could just delete any member you wanted, if you did i wouldnt say anything but you didnt so... |
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After further review of your site, i gotta say its pretty cool but this thread only has 6 pages, maybe you need more promotions or giveaways? Its weird that a project that you know its fair and can be trusted has this amount of people only
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Hmm. I'd really like to try my hand at making an interface for such a project. If anyone takes up the reigns for development, I'll create a mock-up for this bot, maybe even a logo. Of course, I'd want a cut if it turns out to be profitable.
But is it possible? Ive read a good amount of comments saying is probably not possible and even if it is it wouldnt be implemented on the app stores? Anyways if are serious about it you can pm me to talk a bit. |
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Took me a little over 1.30 minutes, put your mind to it you can achieve big things, alot of people spend a couple of hours claiming from faucets then go gamble it on bitcoin gambling sites. Some people earn a good amount.
Over 1.30 minutes??? And gambling is not the way to go, please dont gamble to make profit because you are going to end up with nothing but hours claiming for nothing |
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