I honestly don't think lending in this forum is going to give anyone much profit right now. From what I can see there are more possibilities of you getting ripped and scammed than getting profit and even if you have collateral you have to sell it, overall I don't see it as a good investment, at least not in this forum unless you have a huge amount of bitcoins and you accept serious customers.
Uhm, I used to lend on this forum and so far I can its profitable. I was ripped off once but I admit it was my bad for not asking a collateral  But overall, you can earn much profit with lending on this forum. Personally I used to earn at least 10% profit for each loan, excluding the tips and extension fees. You've just had to follow the, No Collateral, No Loan rule  If the loans are 0.01-0.10 even with 10% profit from each of them you still need a lot of loans to even make 0.1 bitcoins, It's profitable but how profitable and profitable enough to use your time with it? |
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Always advantage to the house, otherwise casinos wouldn't exist.
You need a lucky streak and to leave when you are up. If you sit and keep trying to win more and more, you will eventually give it all back to the casino.
Oh, really? We didn't know that, thanks for your useful information but this thread is about advantages of gambling not to spam for your sig campaign and gamble doesn't always refer to dice or roulette, poker is gambling too but there is no house edge if you are playing against other players. |
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Is there really any reason to spend bitcoin on stuff that you could buy with other normal currencies? I don't think so, meanwhile the other currencies will stay stable bitcoin could cost 100$ more tomorrow, basically if you bought something worth 250$ = 1B and the price of bitcoin goes to 350$ the next day you would have lost 100$
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Wish it would be put to a stop once and for all. theirs loads people neg rating just for stupid things and some people do like to have some sort of trust rating to show some sort of trust to prove their trust worthy. Even without people can trust but it is harder to go off o trust ratings trades or activity. Winds me up when I get neg rating and I have a few for doing gambling and promoting stuff but to be honest neg rating for that is kind stupid and they are doing exactly the same thing. Maybe an idea would be to remove the rating system and introduce a full new system with moderation and approval system needed to be sent to mods team and see if worthy might create work, but least this way systems do not get abused.
The site is looking like a joke.  We need to do something quick. Not only is trust abuse happening, somebody is reportedly giving out death threats but never got banned! You don't get banned for neither of those things, no one gets banned for scamming either you just get red trusted, banning someone who is threatening to kill someone else is not going to help and what abuse of trust are you talking about exactly? There is no such thing. You can trust whoever you want |
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I see you made a promotion and people are coming to your site but don't get too excited, they will most likely stop playing after they lose the free money. Im not saying this to insult you or anything, it's just that most of the times it happens like that.
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Initially wanted to ignore this, however it seems like it gained more attention than it should. My opinion is simple: Even though you have every right to give someone a negative for any reason, I feel like a neutral is more appropriate here. I don't think I'm abusing the trust system.
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You are not. You are using it correctly. Seeing that quickseller sold accounts, even DT accounts and never got a negative trust rating for it, yeah I guess it should be a neutral trust rating. |
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Bitcoin is good because there are close to 0 frauds.
But the merchants don't see it because paypal will take care of the frauds for a fee, paid by the user in the end, so the merchant won't have to bother about it. There are charge backs frauds, but I think they are negligible for the big stores
Where have you been, bitcoin is not close to 0 frauds, bitcoin is close to 50% frauds. I doubt it's possible to make chargebacks on big stores if they are not real. |
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well, that is always how gambling works. u just dont know when to stop, u can keep winning for like 10 times in a row, but when u start losing, u will end up losing even ur captial cause u dont know when to stop.
Yeah the only solution is to control yourself to not play more. But in my opinion doesn't matter how much you lose. But don't ever use borrow or your saving money for gamble. Just use your extra money because is a high change you will jsut lose. Extra money, I really would enjoy the definition of this. Money that you don't need for: food, rent, bills. Basically the money you save each month. I would not advice anyone to use that money to gamble, I mean there is nothing wrong with doing it once or twice but don't do it always. |
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I would say over 80% of Bitcoin's market is gambling, and scams.
It's hard to stay away from gambling if you own Bitcoin.
Your statement is so incorrect on so many levels that it is even hard to begin explanation. Basically you are repeating utter bullshit that is mainly used by gamblers, thieves, terrorists and Mike Tyson. Which is totally untrue. Secondly, I see that you are one of those people who want to forbid everything because it potentially can be harmful again - this idea is totally wrong. I doubt thats what he meant but it's true that with bitcoins it's easier to scam people and get away with it due to the anonymity of bitcoins but of course that does not mean no one shouldn't use bitcoins anymore. |
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I've always had my doubts regarding selling accounts, especially to newbies and even more to users with negative trust. However it's allowed now.
It is ? Can you paste a reference please? For example: In addition to the enforcement issue: From time to time people have asked me whether they could sell their accounts or use them as collateral because they have an emergency need for money or have come on hard times. I'm not going to tell them they can't do this. It's your account and you can do what you want with it. I find it pretty distasteful (it's like selling your identity), but the act of selling your account does not itself hurt anyone else, and in fact scams via account sales are very rare.
I agree with theymos it's not a very nice activity. But it's not directly scammy and to establish a policy to forbid/strongly discourage it more discussion is required. I interpret this as a single person can sell their main account if they have an emergency. I don't think Theymos is condoning account farming here. Of course he is not ''I find it pretty distasteful (it's like selling your identity)'' I have nothing against selling accounts without any trust but when people sell accounts with green trust and even DT accounts, quickseller used to, that shouldn't be allowed and to stop that the only way would be to stop all account sellings. |
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You have to ask: What's the point of this forum?
I say its to have fun, meaningful, informative
dialouge...AKA BITCOINTALK.
How does buying and selling of accounts contribute
or support that in any way, shape or form?
It does just just the opposite, IMO, and I haven't
seen a good argument to the contrary.
"People are gonna do it anyway" isn't a good argument.
I still think it should be discouraged.
People either buy an account to make themselves
appear as someone they are not (either a noob
who wants to appear a seasoned veteran, or an outed
scammer who wants a fresh start)... OR MAYBE, just
maybe they plan to use the account to participate
in a signature campaign, which puts their main
intention as making money, not contributing the
to the forum.
And thats the same mentality behind selling accounts.
Its just selfish profiteering that has no legitimate
purpose for everyone else that just wants to talk
about Bitcoin.
People complain about the quality of posts here.
Well, this sure ain't helping and as long as
the powers that be keep me on default trust,
I'm sure not gonna support it.
Neotox,if you want to stop selling accounts, I'll
remove the negative.
I don't believe in double standards either.
If there's someone else selling accounts, PM
me and I'll do the same.
It doesn't mean I'm agreeing to police anything,
but if its brought to my attention and its
blatant as it was here, I feel perfectly justified in leaving
my opinion via negative feedback.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
People also can buy accounts because it is then easier for them to start up a business because if a newbie starts a new buissiness then most people will not pay any attention. Although most accounts are used for signature campaign, but still not a valid reason to give neotox a negative trust. Mayby he only buy and sell accounts and he does not earn from his alt( alts wear mayby no signature). Your point is stupid and not real. Why would people trust someone that is Hero member just because he is a Hero member, you shouldn't do that and im sure it's not the case. I haven't seen anyone having problems promoting his website, everyone starts without trust, you build trust slowly, buying an account just to promote your site would make you look more suspicious. Who determines what's a good reason to give negative trust if trust is not moderated? |
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I'd say bitcoin, because you're not able to scam anyone. BTC is the best thing which happened to the internet.
If you pay bitcoin to a scammer, you will not be able to get your bitcoin back. With paypal, you can get your money back. With paypal the buyer can scam the seller. With bitcoin this is not possible. Paypal can freeze the account or seize your money. With bitcoin this is not possible. Only if you are using paypal for illicit activities. Paypal is way more safe than bitcoin just because they will actually refund you when you buy something and the deal goes wrong. When their account check is negative your acount will be frozen. If they don't find illegal activities your acount might be released within a few weeks or months. So many sites using bitcoin are a scam and there is nothing you can do about it.
That's wrong. With Bitcoin you use multisig escrow which is safer than Paypal! You cant use multisig escrow when you are depositing your bitcoins into exchanges or when you use them to buy stuff from sites that accept bitcoin. |
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I'd say bitcoin, because you're not able to scam anyone. BTC is the best thing which happened to the internet.
If you pay bitcoin to a scammer, you will not be able to get your bitcoin back. With paypal, you can get your money back. With paypal the buyer can scam the seller. With bitcoin this is not possible. Paypal can freeze the account or seize your money. With bitcoin this is not possible. Only if you are using paypal for illicit activities. Paypal is way more safe than bitcoin just because they will actually refund you when you buy something and the deal goes wrong. So many sites using bitcoin are a scam and there is nothing you can do about it. |
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Too many people abuse the trust. And there's one guy that we know is king of that here, and barely makes trades. Don't need to post names, because we know who it is. I have always questioned why they hadn't been banned for their merciless trolling.
Is he sleeping with one of the staff members or something........
It's a legitimate question to ask.
When someone abuses the DT position they get red trusted and eventually kicked out of DT. So just because you think someone has abused the system doesn't mean he actually did, if you have any compaints and evidence for it go ahead and open a scam accusation. By the way, staff does not have the ability to kick someone out of DT, it's the user who has that user in his trust list who is able to kick him out. |
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So if someone reports a thread because it's duplicated will the mods lock it or how can we report duplicate threads because there are plenty of them
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The governments fear is the anonymity that revolves around bitcoin. They can't track everyone's personal info down plus they don't gain anything from bitcoin.
If they tap into exchanges or any online shop database your are using bitcoins with your real name or address, they could track your bitcoin. Bitcoin is only pseduo-anonymous, thus if your id is link with your address(es), tracking becomes is relatively easy with resource governments or feds have. If it's trackable then why are all these countries banning or making bitcoin illegal? It is traceable: "its pretty blib and dumb to do a lot of illegal transactions on bitcoin when it's so easily traceable" - Jeff Garzik [http://www.bitcoinisnotanonymous.com/#bitcoins-are-traceable] That's the point of this thread. Why governments are afraid of bitcoin? Bitcoin is pseduo-anonymous, not anonymous. Maybe if governments and politicians understood this, they would not have so much objections regarding bitcoin. But as other's pointed out, there are many other possible reasons for this, which are more likely. For example, governments cant just print bitcoins whenever they like. They cant collect transactions fees, etc. Bitcoin transactions are traceable but that doesn't mean you will be able to track down the person who is sending the bitcoins and you never will if the address is not associated to anything that could be related to that person. |
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I'd personally make 1234 mails and then just farm your bits. (I wouldn't, but it's an example)
e-mail is the most personal thing you can get from someone online. People value their e-mail addresses a lot.
I don't see why would some person with a degree accept your offer.
It's a cool idea although, and it can work with 3rd world people, if your target is to get traffic.
Wish you good luck
Well ''I don't see why would some person with a degree accept your offer.'' You just answered yourself here ''I'd personally make 1234 mails and then just farm your bits.'' People can just make a new email address and use it for the site. It surprises me that people voted ''No'' when most people in this forum would do anything for some bitcoins. The only way for this to work would be: The user has to click on some of the ads on the email, otherwise as said above anyone could cheat your system. |
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start from little thing,buy some food on accepting bitcoin store,buy some top up mobile,buy some wear,and tup up electric token.its a simple and easy way to spent bitcoin daily. and waiting for a big buying with bitcoin?just make sure you have that much to buy something big and suprising..
I doubt people is buying food with bitcoins, I mean some people might be doing it but there is really no reason to do it, you dont get any benefit and I doubt someone was crazy enough to use all his money to buy bitcoins. |
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It's not only that people are very afraid of scams but also that raffles are not very fun or interesting and people simply prefer to play dice, poker, bj. Things like lottery and raffles are not often very famous because people simply dont like them but good luck to your site.
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anybody can decide whom to trust and edit his trustlist accordingly.
the trust-circle you want to have is there: its basically the trustlist of theymos which is the default for new users (and level 2 and 3).
IMHO the trust system isnt perfect but replacing it with a moderated one would be bad. i dont want that people i dont know (and maybe dont trust at all) can change trust ratings from people i specifically want to trust.
But the trust system right now is basically moderated. Moderated by DT members which have the power to make someone green or red with only 1 rating. You can give 100 good trust ratings to someone but if you are not in DT no one will care so in the end the system is still controlled by someone. |
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