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881  Other / Meta / Re: Will moderators merge these two topics? on: November 25, 2015, 10:48:29 AM
I don't think they will or they have ever done such thing. Take a look at the gambling section, every 5 days there is a thread about ''gambling strategy'' or ''best bitcoin casino'' etc etc, you get the idea. I have never seen any of those threads merged or deleted
882  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: November 25, 2015, 10:46:32 AM
Micro loans are not profitable. People tend to forget it cost a lot of time for a 10% profit.

Yes 10% on a micro loan, means a micro profit.

In the mean time you have to monitor the loan/payments do calculations etc.

then you do a big loan, on top of small loan, 10% is actually big if you lend 1 btc for example, do it with a decent collateral like an account which is the faster type of collateral

Yea but to find an account worth 1BTC or more for collateral it's almost mission impossible besides almost no one legit asks for 1BTC loan, 50% of the lending section is full of scammers and the other 49% are gamblers or trust farmers, sad but true.

Yeah the collateral is hard to estimate most of the times. But i heard some good deal can be made, else nobody would do it. I think some assets (like altcons) are some good collateral.

Yes people do profit from loans but most of them give loans without collateral to some people otherwise it would be harder to profit because less people would take loans from that person. Even if you get a good account as a collateral you still have to sell it and that can be a pain in the ass sometimes.
883  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Looking to start Mining on: November 25, 2015, 10:44:06 AM
What mining power do you actually need to profit from mining coins with a lot of difficulty like bitcoin or litecoin?

I suggest starting with Bitcoin.  It just is a little simpler then altcoin in my eyes, and value is more stable with BTC.  So start here.

On ROI it's not as much about how much power you have in mining power, but more the cost of your power.  You need to make a profit to make ROI.  What is your electricity (with taxes and all) divided down?

I am personally not interested in starting mining, It was simple curiosity. I know it's way harder to profit mining alone nowdays, specially with bitcoins since the difficulty is very high. Let's say I have 1000 khash, I think that's correct, my electricty bill for 2 months is around 120 euros.
884  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: paypal or bitcoin? on: November 25, 2015, 10:41:29 AM
bitcoin, by i admit that i'm using paypal on website that i don't know, but bitcoin has the potential to surpass paypal, it's already very near that

Very near in what sense? Bitcoin is not even close to paypal. Paypal is used in far more platforms and sites than bitcoin, far far more, not only that but paypal it's also pretty safe, more than bitcoin. Comparing bitcoin to paypal is not good though, paypal is not a currency, bitcoin is, so in the end it doesn't make much sense to compare the two.

transaction volume is very akin from bitcoin to paypal, there was a chart that showed it, i'm trying to find it, it was posted here not long time ago

What? Bitcoin is a whole currency and paypal it's just a platform to pay for stuff, I don't see how comparing 2 charts would do anything here, as I said it's pretty pointless to compare the two.

not it isn't it show how must bitcoin is growing, i'm not talking about a direct competition, you need to see from a different view

Would you mind explaining that better because I still don't understand your point. Comparing paypal to bitcoin is like comparing paypal to Euro or Dollar, makes no sense they are two different things
885  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: paypal or bitcoin? on: November 24, 2015, 04:17:36 PM
bitcoin, by i admit that i'm using paypal on website that i don't know, but bitcoin has the potential to surpass paypal, it's already very near that

Very near in what sense? Bitcoin is not even close to paypal. Paypal is used in far more platforms and sites than bitcoin, far far more, not only that but paypal it's also pretty safe, more than bitcoin. Comparing bitcoin to paypal is not good though, paypal is not a currency, bitcoin is, so in the end it doesn't make much sense to compare the two.

transaction volume is very akin from bitcoin to paypal, there was a chart that showed it, i'm trying to find it, it was posted here not long time ago

What? Bitcoin is a whole currency and paypal it's just a platform to pay for stuff, I don't see how comparing 2 charts would do anything here, as I said it's pretty pointless to compare the two.
886  Other / Off-topic / Re: Scientific proof that God exists? on: November 24, 2015, 02:35:11 PM
Listen at the end of the day you can belive whatever you want but don't force it on the rest of us if it's not regulated by the government or the laws that we are actually using in real life.
887  Bitcoin / Mining speculation / Re: Looking to start Mining on: November 24, 2015, 02:33:24 PM
What mining power do you actually need to profit from mining coins with a lot of difficulty like bitcoin or litecoin?
888  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: paypal or bitcoin? on: November 24, 2015, 02:31:11 PM
bitcoin, by i admit that i'm using paypal on website that i don't know, but bitcoin has the potential to surpass paypal, it's already very near that

Very near in what sense? Bitcoin is not even close to paypal. Paypal is used in far more platforms and sites than bitcoin, far far more, not only that but paypal it's also pretty safe, more than bitcoin. Comparing bitcoin to paypal is not good though, paypal is not a currency, bitcoin is, so in the end it doesn't make much sense to compare the two.
889  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Where and how much bitcoin you spent today? on: November 24, 2015, 01:55:37 PM
I personally never spend any bitcoins, I use normal money for those things, afterall you can't buy some things with bitcoin and it's safer than bitcoins in some cases
890  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Is bitcoin's anonymity really a problem for the governments and regulations? on: November 24, 2015, 11:25:31 AM
the main problem for government they can't took fee from my transaction

In the end they are taking fees anyways, a lot of people still exchange bitcoins to cash because you can't buy a lot of things with bitcoins so they end  up taking fees when you withdraw the money to your bank, obviously not as many fees. In the end taxes are needed, it's not like we pay taxes for nothing.
891  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: November 24, 2015, 10:51:16 AM
Micro loans are not profitable. People tend to forget it cost a lot of time for a 10% profit.

Yes 10% on a micro loan, means a micro profit.

In the mean time you have to monitor the loan/payments do calculations etc.

then you do a big loan, on top of small loan, 10% is actually big if you lend 1 btc for example, do it with a decent collateral like an account which is the faster type of collateral

Yea but to find an account worth 1BTC or more for collateral it's almost mission impossible besides almost no one legit asks for 1BTC loan, 50% of the lending section is full of scammers and the other 49% are gamblers or trust farmers, sad but true.
892  Other / Meta / Re: [Poll / Discussion]Should we allow account trading/farming? on: November 24, 2015, 10:43:24 AM
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Accounts should not be considered valid collateral or have any value... End of story.

Why? Accounts have a value because one can sell the signature. High ranked accounts get more coins per post/term/activity/etc. and thus have a higher value than low ranked accounts.

Also since this is the 100. time this topic was brought up by someone let me just quote these:


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Its openly allowed, because there is a very real possibility that 95+% of it couldn't be stopped. Sure we might catch the occasional moron who posts out in the open, but there would be plenty of people using bitmessage and tormail that could make good money off of bootlegged accounts. As it is now, hopefully people don't see 2 year old accounts as any more trustworthy than new members. If account selling was "banned" then people would start to trust that these old accounts are the original owners, and they should be trusted due to their time commitment. When in reality, they probably just bought the account for $20 on ebay, to pull a scam.

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But even with 100,000 votes saying, "No account selling shouldn't be allowed" it wouldn't change anything. It is allowed for the reason that has been mentioned probably over 1000 times now conservatively. Its unenforcable, and to say otherwise is just deluding ourselves. Sure, we can say no account selling, and then people will be caught off guard, as the community here isn't technologically retarded (correct use of the word). It will happen anyway, and people will lose a bit of their suspicion, figuring that all old accounts are their original owners, and that they couldn't have just been purchased off of Ebay for $20. People keep saying, "other forums have detection methods!" A *insert type* forum doesn't have the userbase who knows that they can get around any and all tracking methods, nor do they have 200,000 members.

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 There are legitimate reasons to buy accounts as well, for example wanting to skip newbie jail, or wanting the username, or even using it for paid signature advertising.

I'd think that scammers may not have the best of luck around here, even after buying accounts, as hopefully, just about no one is trusted, and if they slip up, they get labled a scammer, and are out their money. As well as if they spam for the paid signature advertising, they will get banned and also be out of the money they paid to you.

Could we catch some account sellers? Probably, but more than enough would get through to do damage. Its easy enough to see accounts that have been inactive since 2011 being sold, however what if you were to raise an account up until mid january, sell it in late january, or even february. How hard would it be for the seller to post on the account once or twice per day to keep it active? They would also be increasing the post/activity count and making it more valuable. That wouldn't be very suspicious, especially amongst the other 200,000 acounts. We need to be able to catch all or none. If we don't catch all, people who have old accounts will be trusted, which they shouldnt. If we catch none, no one is trusted, and thats how it should be.

Are we still seriously talking about this? No one likes the act of buying/selling accounts but we are not going to stop it. The staff have made that very clear.

It appears so. I'm sure this debate will rage as long as Bitcointalk exists itself.

There is an even better one by Salty about how account trading combined with paid signature are a possible reason scammers can rarely ROI from bought accounts, but I cant find that right now.

The excuse of ''It will happen anyway'' or ''It will only happen less'' is one of the most stupid excuses ever, it's like saying that there shouldn't be a 45 sec waiting period to login because hackers would still try to access accounts anyways so why bother making it harder for them when they can do it anyways.
893  Other / Archival / Re: [LENDING] ██ Bitcoin ██ 0.01 BTC MAXIMUM ██ Low Rates on: November 23, 2015, 06:25:33 PM
I don't usually post here but what you are doing seems extremely shady. You are giving only 0.01 btc but 0.02 to sr.members? Who is going to take a 0.01 btc loan for a month or a year? You are also not willing to use escrow. 9/10 scam.

Changed!

Does This Look Better?

I don't like escrow as I don't have people on this forum that I trust!

If you could reccomend a person who could escrow I would gladly hear it!

Thank you for your help

Jack G

Yea but do you understand the irony vs hypocrisy there? You don't trust anyone in this forum but you expect someone else to trust you? There are a few super trusted escrows in this forum, you can try with https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=136592
894  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Biggest wins on: November 23, 2015, 06:20:36 PM
I personally have not won too much at a time but if you want to know who is the biggest btc winner gambling check this : http://www.dailydot.com/news/biggest-bitcoin-win-gambling-history-nakowa/

It actually seems that the biggest amount of money won at 1 single bet it's with bitcoins because some online bitcoin casinos allow max profits of 200 bitcoins and even more.
895  Other / Archival / Re: [LENDING] ██ Bitcoin ██ 0.01 BTC MAXIMUM ██ Low Rates on: November 23, 2015, 06:11:00 PM
I don't usually post here but what you are doing seems extremely shady. You are giving only 0.01 btc but 0.02 to sr.members? Who is going to take a 0.01 btc loan for a month or a year? You are also not willing to use escrow. 9/10 scam.
896  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Best Investments on: November 23, 2015, 06:09:06 PM
Loaning ! If loans carried out accurately with good collaterals and rate of interests.You can have guaranteed returns on your investments .This could be a really risk free investments as well.

As a lender on this forum, I can vouch for this. Definitely a risk-free way as an investment , as long as valid and proper collateral was provided. I  experienced a loss on lending though, when someone defaulted a loan from me but its my fault cuz I gave a loan without an collateral asked. Now, I already learned  and a collateral will be a must (to non- reputable members)

The problem is that most loans here are small and you get really low % interest back and when they default you have to sell the btc account that most likely they used as collateral. No one really gives altcoins as collateral, almost no one.
897  Economy / Gambling / Re: Lottery like in freebitco.in on: November 23, 2015, 04:58:03 PM
I don't know what to say, OP seems pretty shady, I would bet 0.1 btc that he is the actual owner of that site, otherwise why would he bother posting this here? Generally people don't play much lottery because it's not instant like other gambling games.
898  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Spanish League Prediction Thread (La Liga) on: November 23, 2015, 04:52:25 PM
Hey, does anyone know if OP is still posting predictions or is this thread more like user based predictions now because i haven't seen him post any predictions in the last few days
899  Other / Meta / Re: Chinese spammer on: November 23, 2015, 04:49:39 PM
He must be banned.
It is not so simple, he is not spamming with totally useless posts. And  as far as I can tell translated news can be helpful for Chinese community.
It is up to someone who is fluent in Chinese and English to decide if these posts are good and not spamming fest.
Another chinese article scraper: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=164832
His posts seem to come from: http://www.expreview.com/
Is this the start of the invasion of the Chinese trolls another thread was talking about?  Shocked
Trolls, probably not, signature spammers? For sure. About the point that John was talking about, that its in native chinese, some googling and it turns out that many sites are translating these stuff and posting in their website, thats probably where the spammer is scraping the posts from. For ex: http://www.bitecoin.com/online/2015/11/16182.html is a copy of what the spammer has been posting some other results are: Results
One post every minute made from scraping news site, that too on off-topic news is something I would hardly classify as "helpful"

Plus no one from the chinese local forum seems to respond or discuss any of those news because they, most likey, dont care at all about them.
900  Other / Meta / Re: The most common questions regarding Bitcointalk - An FAQ on: November 23, 2015, 04:46:22 PM
"Why the hell can't I unwatch a thread" Smiley
This one has been bugging me for years.
It works fine by just pressing the 'unwatch' button, though you need Javascript enabled for it to work AFAIK.

Also, this:
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Q - Can I post a referral link?

A -
Okay, this question even confuses me sometimes. My interpretation (as in, what I believe is correct) is that making posts solely for referral links are completely disallowed. The only real exception is the same exception which applies to placing an advertisement inside of your post: If the post is extremely high quality, going to be frequently updated, etc, like dogie's threads. But this is loosely defined and generally your post does not count.
Could probably be changed to something like this:
Most likely, no. If your post is extremely high quality then ask a mod for permission.
In order to save confusion. If a member is making a post with a high enough quality to include a referral link they likely know of the rules surrounding them and know who to contact to get the proper authorization.

And should probably add: But you can have any ref link in your signature in case you need to promote something just use your signature on ''Profile'' > ''Forum profile information'' > Signature
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