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1521  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: Trading is unpredictable job. on: January 06, 2017, 10:51:27 AM
Bitcoin is a volatile investment. There is one thing that you have to keep in your mind " you buy bitcoin if the price of bitcoin down, you sell if the price of bitcoin up". So do not worry if the price of bitcoin down becouse the price will rise in the future and also keep reading bitcoin news, so you can preddict when the bitcoin price down or up. One more thing, local bitcoin price usualy slowly follow international bitcoin price.
People always say that buy low, sell high but how low and how high should the price be before you do such action? If you bought bitcoins at $700, and the price increased by $20, are you going to sell at that time? I don't think so. We don't have any exact amount in our minds that's why we end up not being able to sell at the highest price possible. When the price has increased and then the dump is starting, we tend to panic sell because we don't want to lose any more potential profit.

I think it's also important that you indicate where to read bitcoin news. Some websites aren't updated and the dump has already happened before they even post the reason why (i.e. a bitcoin-related website got hacked).
1522  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I'd like to get some bitcoins. Is now a good time to do so? on: January 06, 2017, 10:22:29 AM
When this thread was opened (seven months ago) the price was below $600 and it was undoubtedly a good time to buy more coins. But at this time I am not so sure that it could be a good idea, because we are closer of the record high and at this point none can affirm with certainty what will happen next.
It is in fact, the general impression of traders that tilts the market to the side that it goes, so now the majority of traders are of the impression that bitcoin is already overpriced, so buying it now would not be a very good business decision even though the project  for bitcoin in 2017, is that the $2500 price mark would be hit.

Like it has been said over and over again, the way to profit in trading is by buying low and selling high. If you have been observing the market keenly, you would have noticed as a result of the cyclic nature of the market, that there will always be another opportunity to buy low.
The opportunity to buy low is today. The price has been playing around 900$-950$. There has been a recent dump/panic dump that has happened. Some people would doubt that it's a good time to buy right now since it's $900 and $900 is a big amount of money to most. That's the same thing people back then was thinking. Even the OP of this thread has made this thread because he was doubtful with the $600 price. Now, he's enjoying his profits.

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It is in fact, the general impression of traders that tilts the market to the side that it goes, so now the majority of traders are of the impression that bitcoin is already overpriced, so buying it now would not be a very good business decision even though the project  for bitcoin in 2017, is that the $2500 price mark would be hit.
The price right now is overpriced only to people that wants to cash out in a year or two. But for someone that wants to invest bitcoins and then cash out after a couple of decades, the price of bitcoins right now is soooooo cheap (and I can't even emphasize that even more). Bitcoin is still in the beginning phase and this price will be something people in the future would think as "really really cheap" just like how we see the price of the past (a couple of dollar for a bitcoin) as really really cheap.
1523  Other / Off-topic / Re: Who controls the Bitcoins? on: January 06, 2017, 10:13:44 AM
It's a good question who controls the bitcoin. I think a group of dev controls it. Because for bitcoin, there are some private keys (for checkpoint and alert) that if one has it, he will be able to propagate his own blocks into the network. I think a few people hold the private keys there.
There's actually a website that has the private keys of all the bitcoin addresses. Funny because even if you do have it all saved on a .txt file, if will take you a lot of power and time (even years) before you can find the private key of a specific wallet. There have been discussion about this in this forum. There are just too many bitcoin addresses available and I really mean way many for you to be able to control bitcoins or hack someone using the list of all private keys.
1524  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: January 06, 2017, 09:44:00 AM
We are already our bank of bitcoin and crypto currencies, sure we do use some wallet from some companie, but they havent control over it, they allow the acess and to use and collect their fees, i dont see the point really to get a bitcoin bank, unless they provide interest of 10-20% years from the deposits, but those wont happen. I do like freedom, and i get interest lending or trading or making my sport bets.
That's no different than HYIP sites and other scam investment sites that we have plenty right now. One of the major reasons why bitcoin banks would be a failure because of trust issues. People don't need bitcoin banks and then suddenly someone has spent a huge amount of money to establish one. With the mix of 10-20% increase on your account balance in a year, that would make some people interested but most bitcoiners wouldn't believe them. They would just think that it's just the same HYIP and cloud mining owners taking their business in to the next level.
1525  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: January 05, 2017, 02:14:48 PM
For me the best source of money is reselling products.
No investissement, no loss.
Depends on what you meant by "reselling". You can mean buying a product and then selling them or looking for a buyer of a certain product but you put a higher price than it actually is. If it's the first one, then you're wrong. You would need to invest first to buy the product and you can lose money if the product at hand gets lost or broken. If you mean the second one, then you're right. I've seen people do that. They don't invest or anything. They just tell the main supplier that they want to be a reseller of the product and then they just promote/sell the product to people with a higher price.
1526  Economy / Speculation / Re: Do not buy bitcoin IF... on: January 05, 2017, 02:04:47 PM
if you are a newbie who panics with every bump and starts selling...
if you are a newbie who panics with every jump and starts buying...

save yourself the head ache and do not invest in bitcoin, just stay away. when you make decisions based on panics you are only feeding the whales.

look at the price right now, the panic they created caused a drop from $1166 to $851 on bitfinex and who do you think sold on top and made the panic? the same people who have been buying bitcoin low from you.

but if you are in it for the long haul, just buy what you can afford and hold it in a cold storage and be happy with being a part of a limited supply future currency which is going to conquer the world. and stop looking at the price every second unless you are a seasoned trader.
However, even panic sellers can make profit. For example, those people that were using bitcoin since last year can make profit even if they did sell their coins at this dump or price correction. Simply the (natural) flow of bitcoin saves all those panic sellers. The problem with most people is that they don't know when to sell since there's not that much sign when exactly is the price going to go up/down. I hope this price correction serve as a lesson or a reminder to all of us.
1527  Economy / Speculation / Re: I feel really bad for those selling into this rally.... on: January 05, 2017, 01:44:38 PM
I was shocked look at the price suddenly drop back to $890, wth those panic sellers doing?
Or, there are some big fish cash out to get instant profits? Hopefully, not fall less than $750.
But, still, I won't sell any coin.

Edit: Ahh, it rise again to $928
Just 3 minutes after you posted this, the price went back to $966.

Months ago, a price increase like that is already being celebrated by most of us (or at least by me). The $200 dip would be something that will make us feel devastated back then since we don't know when are we going to get back up. Today, we just had a $200 dip and then we can't understand whatever's happening right now.

I sold 0.05BTC at around 950$ just to make sure. Grin I admit I did panic sell. I do have some profits out of that anyway but not as much if I sold my coins at the peak. I was online when we were at 1,135$ range.
1528  Economy / Economics / Re: Tell me a secret: any way to earn 0.1 BTC per week? on: January 05, 2017, 12:33:31 PM
There is no secret again we had shared information how to earn bitcoin, you just decide what you like, for example if you trade like you can start to learn from wondering or seeking information from people who have experience in the trade.

Trade has become a huge problem that might bring good results, but since bitcoin has growed soo much it had damage the most altcoins, some of them are doing pretty well considering the bitcoin value. Currently its very hard to earn 0,10 btc weekly, on the free way, even the signatures arent able anymore to let anyone to earn above 0,04 btc or above.
They are just trying to balance things. They don't want to give your 0.04BTC while knowing that the price of bitcoin is much higher than it used to be. If 0.04BTC was 20$ back then and now it's 40$, of course you would be thinking of decreasing the pay rate. One of the signature campaigns that always adjust their pay rates depending on the price of bitcoin is secondstrade which have a lot of participants to pay. While my campaign Bitsler doesn't have that much participants to pay and it hasn't changed its payrate yet.

0.1BTC weekly is hard to acquire in the free way just like you said unless you have some sort of knowledge/method that others don't know about.
1529  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: January 05, 2017, 12:10:04 PM
My vote went to "Others" and as I can see more than 30% here voted same. It's interesting to see that so many people have chosen "Trading". Now I'm wondering do they really make money with trading or do they just think that trading is the best source of Bitcoin?
Since most people that actively participates in discussions like this one have signature campaigns, I'd say that those people are either: (a.) just thinks that trading is a good idea since they've read it from other users (b.) do trading but not that much since they're busy with their signature campaign. Not to throw shade but most people here are like that. They are called dittos/ditto heads. Someone who is aware of that wouldn't give any importance to whatever "seemingly-insightful" stuffs they post.
1530  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: January 05, 2017, 11:43:22 AM
the use of bitcoin is not against the goverment so i think it will never happen

It depends on what you do with your bitcoins. If you simply buy/sell stuff like a normal and law-abiding citizen, then you shouldn't be worried since you're not doing anything illegal. Most illegal trades are being done using bitcoins because it's anonymous (pseudonymous to some).

But in the long run once a huge percentage of the total population is using bitcoins, the government would surely notice bitcoins and do crazy things to avoid making their fiat become valueless. They can add another law and prohibit the use of unregulated currency like bitcoin.
1531  Economy / Economics / Re: How to teach kids about Bitcoin? on: January 05, 2017, 11:15:55 AM
For me personally,I dont think children have any business being close to the world of Bitcoin not because Bitcoin is bad in itself, but because of the various vices they might be exposed to along the line which they might not be matured enough to handle. Among such things include gambing, falling for cheap scams, HYIP sites with exciting bogus rewards among other issues even as adults face in this crypto-world.
I wouldn't worry about these things. I've done all of those and I've moved on. Everyone is capable of doing that. We lost our money by gambling and from HYIP sites, and that served as a lesson to all of us. One thing I would worry about is what if the kids started working continuously. If I had the time, I wouldn't do anything else but continue exploring the bitcoin world as this has much more opportunities than the job offerings in my area. People's nature is to be greedy and once kids become exposed to the world where they can make good amount of money, I'm afraid that their greed will eat them up.
1532  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I'd like to get some bitcoins. Is now a good time to do so? on: January 05, 2017, 10:56:46 AM
The price value of bitcoin for now is getting higher, and we don't know where it should gonna be. So I would suggest not to buy because it will hard and  it will hurt you badly if the price fluctuate at once, though it can be said as stable price by now. just wait for the meantime, then once the price decrease its up to you if you like to buy.
it's depend. if he's going to buy bitcoin to pay some bills then it's fine but if it's in purpose to gain some profit then it's bad, also nowadays is really hard to earn bitcoin outside of this forum and for example is those faucets which are now most of them are closed due too high price of bitcoin making the owners broke if people rapidly claiming and/or getting attacked by bots deployed by faucet hunter
Someone who can make a script to automatically claim in faucet sites should have a good job in real life and shouldn't be wasting his time with faucets since he's very knowledgeable enough about scripts to know how to bypass captchas, and move on from one faucet site to another or maybe even claim simultaneously. He's going to earn much more than his auto-claim-from-faucet script can make.

It's not hard to earn bitcoins outside of this forum, btw. The only things that you can do here to earn money is sell stuffs, offer services, and signature campaign. Selling stuffs and offering services would require audience, this is not the only forum where you can find bitcoin users. To some people this forum isn't a really good place to do those (sell stuffs+offer service) because there's already trusted people here. For example, if you're going to try managing signature campaign or do lending, people would ask you various stuffs first and the majority would prefer going with the trusted user over you.
1533  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: January 05, 2017, 10:43:32 AM
Well in my opinion the bitcoin has a lot of advantages if you compare it with the normal cash in real life.
Firstly you can not lose it at all so that is the first sweet reason why its better.
Another reason is due to the fact its much safer, you can get robbed and mostly if people break in your house there is nothing weird, no cash.
I think cash is also a old method to pay, everything is gonna be digital in the future.
Yes bitcoin is really a good transaction medium, but I think the main reason is that the new generation is interested in online buying and selling and the governments are also now thinking about to issues a online currency so as to facilitate their people according to the need of the modern time.
yes you can not do anything with cash if you want to make a transaction online , i mean you can do it but with a very complicated way and long journey until your cash become a digital money like have to deposit to paypal or something.

with bitcoin you just need buy bitcoin from someone near you and spend it online .
I don't think entering your bank account details in Paypal is a complicated way and long journey. That would just take you a maximum of 10 minutes to finish unless your mentally retarded or something which I think you are not. I have never tried doing it by myself but I've never heard people complaining about how complicated and how much time have they wasted just to set up their Paypal account.

with bitcoin you just need buy bitcoin from someone near you and spend it online .
That's mainly the problem. There's not a lot of bitcoin users especially in remote areas. Buying from someone by meeting up with them personally would be pretty hard to do in that case. Most people here started by buying bitcoins from someone using their Paypal account.

Spending bitcoins online is another problem to most users. There's not that much online stores that accepts bitcoin unlike when you're using Paypal.

But I guess this all depends on your area. I'm just saying what I'm experiencing.
1534  Other / Off-topic / Re: Who controls the Bitcoins? on: January 05, 2017, 10:34:54 AM
Bitcoin is not controlled by anyone in the world, even sathosi nakamoto although can't control peer to peer technology like blockchain.
But since I've learned about dump and pump methods, may be we're all can say bitcoin is controlled by peoples who use it, keep it, and spend it for they transactions payments. So we're all parts of the price move.
Yes, there is no central authority that is the whole point of bitcoin, not even satoshi controls it and that was the way it was designed because if there was a head that control bitcoin you can be sure that person will be on jail already for some made up reason.
I'm not saying that I disagree with what you guys said that there's no one controlling bitcoins, but I disagree that the highlighted part would happen. If there was someone that controls bitcoin right from the start, Satoshi (and his team, if there's any) would keep it as a secret. Thus, the guy that controls all of these stuffs wouldn't be in jail at all. There's no way for us to confirm that there's no one controlling bitcoins but at the same time there's no way for us to argue with that idea.
1535  Economy / Economics / Re: Do you Still believe in Fiat? on: January 05, 2017, 07:49:20 AM
i still believe fiat, I meet the daily needs such as electricity, water, food, clothing. using what if I don't believe in fiat? bitcoin? in my country bitcoin still not accepted as means of payment
But using fiat is inflict financial loss. For the begining fiat is just representation of gold becouse bring gold everywhere is not practicaly. So the amount of fiat equal to amount of gold. But gorverntment printing fiat regardless the amount of the amount of gold. Inflation makes fiat value decrease. So as smart people we should not believe to fiat.
Knowing that the fiat is not backed by gold anymore doesn't make us smart, it makes us informed. I didn't know about this before but I've read a couple of posts about it. If people are just as informed as we are, then they might ditch fiat and join the bitcoin club. Grin Fiat is becoming more and more like a "Score" in a game which literally has no value but lets you track what you've done so far. The only difference with the score in a game is that you can spend your fiat. Regardless, fiat is still valueless (since it's not backed by gold anymore), but people thinks that it has value and would do horrible things just to obtain more and more fiat.
1536  Economy / Economics / Re: WILL BITCOIN BE USED BY ALMOST EVERYONE IN 2022? on: January 05, 2017, 07:25:57 AM
If bitcoin has its fixed price someday i dont have a doubt that bitcoin is used by all people in the world. As long that there is fixed price  ,half of people in world are only using it.
If so, then we should be seeing tens of thousands dollars worth of bitcoin and a dollar worth of bitcoin wouldn't be equal to 1BTC. I think that the only way for bitcoin to have a fixed or atleast pretty fixed price is when almost or all fiat currency has been converted to fiat already. At that point, no one wants to convert back to fiat since everyone's using bitcoin as their main currency and no one has significant amount of fiat left to make the bitcoin price move noticeable enough when he converts his fiat.
1537  Other / Archival / Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns on: January 05, 2017, 01:36:42 AM
What do people think about adding a SMAS column as well, i.e. whether the campaign uses the blacklist? The BTCT account price estimator already uses it as well. I'm certain that there are some *cons* to this idea and that spammers / farmers will hate the thought of it, but I figured I'd just throw it out there.
As this thread was linked in the SMAS thread to show how "all" campaigns rely on SMAS now, I agree it would be worth pointing out whether or not a campaign supports SMAS.
We could do that either with an additional column, or with some color coding (for example: (Lime)green -> SMAS camapaign; Yellow -> Uses the SMAS list; Blue/black -> No status).
The color coding is such a useful idea that it can be used for other things as well like (a.) Warning for likely scam in PNYC (b.) Color assignment for different campaign managers; no color if there's no hired manager.
1538  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: January 05, 2017, 01:26:22 AM

Bitcoin is a very good thing to have as an asset. Just like gold. Even better if I may say. It's secure, and unlike fiat money it actually exists and work is put into it to produce it. This makes it great to store value.
However, it cannot and will not replace current fiat money that the entire world it using. It just cannot.

actually bitcoin is not that secure. we can see how many people were hacked.

alright, the point is both bitcoin and fiat is not really secure. they have their own good side and bad side. however I agree with your statement. bitcoin will not change fiat totally, but in some cases we can buy stuff by bitcoin.
It was their fault, not the bitcoin network's. Their wallet is the one that got hacked, not the network. Maybe they were using an infected PC/Smartphone or they connected in a public network with a lot of cookie thieves. Nonetheless, you can't blame the network for their carelessness.

Every day a lot of people gets their fiat robbed but you can't blame the government for that (or whoever made fiat). You can't say that paper money isn't secure because you got robbed. Roll Eyes
1539  Other / Archival / Re: Updated Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns on: January 05, 2017, 12:33:42 AM
New campaign has been appeared on the services section. The campaign is from orocoin. The thread is here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1738572.0 .

After completing the selection they have locked the thread which I think is not favorable.
To be honest, I don't know how this campaign has become full in just a matter of less than 2 hours. I'd say the manager isn't as picky as other managers. It'd be really efficient for both ends (the manager and the users) if they would accept your offer to do escrow. People are doubtful of new ICOs because of the previous campaigns that scammed people especially this campaign is running for 2 weeks before they can confirm payment. 2 weeks of free advertising is more than enough for scammers.

http://paste.ee/r/Irvrr Updated table on OP.
1540  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: I'd like to get some bitcoins. Is now a good time to do so? on: January 04, 2017, 02:05:53 AM
When this thread was opened (seven months ago) the price was below $600 and it was undoubtedly a good time to buy more coins. But at this time I am not so sure that it could be a good idea, because we are closer of the record high and at this point none can affirm with certainty what will happen next.
Don't bet against the trend, you could certainly make profit doing short term investment buying now. I still believe the price will not stop at this level, it could grow more and might surpass the all time high before it will fall back a little bit. Do not hesitate, learn to take bigger risk, now is the right time to buy and tomorrow.
That's probably what was somebody that bought at the peak of $1200 range back then was thinking. He bought coins thinking that he will be able to sell it for a higher price and he just have to short trade it. It turns out, that was the peak. You don't want to chase an increasing market because you might end up buying in the peak as well. I would recommend waiting for a little while and see what's going on in the bitcoin market and then look for other's opinion in the speculation board rather than saying "today is good time to buy and tomorrow too."
Thats the hardest part on making some decision regarding on buying bitcoin because we wont know if we are on the peak or on the bottom because no one could able to guess the movement of bitcoins price and as you mentioned to those people who bought $1200 price they would definitely suffer losses when bitcoin crashes down its price back.

Arguably though, if you believe in BTC at all, you should invest because long-term growth. Also, far too many of us here (myself included) are prone to spending, wasting, or gambling away our BTC in istupid moments
I guess? But you don't necessarily have to wait long-time if you could invest at the right time. Back to the 1200$ guy, he most probably is smiling right now because finally 1200$ is almost there. Most of the other people that has bought bitcoins at 1200$ range sold their coins for a lower price when they see the price is dramatically decreasing to prevent any further loss.
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