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1061  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: If you have 1BTC to spent in trading what coins will you invest on: April 17, 2017, 04:05:56 PM
Me? None. I would choose to hold that 1BTC and then continue doing stuffs like signature campaign and other freelancing services. I don't trust myself when it comes to trading. I would rather hold the coin long time than risk it. Trading is a zero sum game so those that are more knowledgeable and more skilled than you will just take away your money.

Another reason why I wouldn't trade it is that altcoins are just a way for people to get more bitcoins. I can become a victim of an altcoin with a scammer developer. A lot of coins have a long time vision but where are they now. They are all dead and the only ones that's alive in the market are major coins and new coins.
1062  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Are signature campaigns really working for gambling sites? on: April 17, 2017, 03:54:31 PM
Before I joined bitsler, I asked the campaign owner if it's going to last for a long time because most campaigns back then would shut down after a month or so. Then the owner said that they are going to monitor first if the campaign is worth doing. Our signatures back then have a referral link from the manager so I guess that's what they used to monitor the traffic that they are getting from the signature campaign. I've been in this campaign for months and they haven't said a word about closing down the campaign so I think they are quite satisfied about it. In gambling sites, the payment rate for the signature campaign is not that much anyway since there are high rollers in gambling sites.

Think about it, if signature campaigns weren't working at all, there shouldn't be a signature campaign that lasts for a long time but you'd see in this forum that there are campaigns that have been here for years.
1063  Economy / Services / Re: ZETH: The Inception, Signature Campaign [New Campaign Manager] on: April 17, 2017, 09:50:26 AM
Kindly include if this campaign is Active/Open for new participants or if you guys are full just so we know where to put you in this table.
1064  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between Bitcoin and real money? on: April 16, 2017, 04:39:45 PM
Bitcoin - lower fees, you have your own bank, transactions is easier and faster, identity of the owner is anonymous, volatile value
Fiat - higher fees, you need some company to put your money on, transactions takes some time and requires some verification if you are owning a large amount, stable value

Yes and in fiat you cannot huge amount of money with you physically as there is always a chance of money getting stolen or getting robbed but with bitcoins you can carry any amount in your bitcoin wallet and no one would be aware about it.
Looks like you forgot to add that anyone with access to your private key is the actual owner of the coins, so cases of theft are not alien here nor something exclusive to fiat currencies. One more thing, lower fees is now, used to be with Bitcoin as these days we are daunted with increasing cost for carrying out transactions in the Bitcoin ecosystem and this a real cause for concern for most bitcoiners.

I think that is true, when other people have your private key, they can send or manage you bitclins inside that bitckin wallet. But this will only happen if you are kind enough to give your private keys to other people. Never do that , keep that safe. About the fees, it is really a pain in the ass. But we all know that the developers are having a solution for that. We better wait on what will happen in the future.

I wouldn't really say "kind enough" but rather I'll use "stupid enough". If you don't even know one of the basic stuffs in bitcoin, you shouldn't expose yourself just yet. Private key is called "private" for a reason. It's because it's not meant to be shared to other people. Sharing your private key is like giving out all of your bitcoins from that address.

The developers might have already think about a solution for the ever-increasing bitcoin's transaction fee but as long as they haven't implemented it on bitcoin yet, we will continue to experience huge transaction fees. A perfect solution is nothing if you fail to implement it.
1065  Economy / Economics / Re: Best way for steady income on: April 16, 2017, 04:27:36 PM
- Yes, making money with youtube can help you to have a steady income but the most important thing is that you must have work skills, ideas and know how to increase views on youtube. A lot of people come to youtube but the number of people who can succeed is too low
- A few years ago, making money with youtube was a simple thing, people did not know much about youtube and had a lot of ideas but now making money with youtube is so popular, the competition between the channels is increasingly terrible. It's not as simple as we thought, just posting videos and you'll have money, now it's very difficult and complicated

Most famous people on Youtube only adopt to the trend, make their title interesting, and then that's it. For example, a clothing piece is trendy. Then as a Youtuber that have fashion as a niche, you're going to buy it and say your opinion about it. Another example is when you're a tech vlogger, you can simply go to a place where techy people meet other tech people and vlog your whole experience.

Looking at how much dumb people got success on the Internet will make you realize that it doesn't take some genius level of IQ to do the same thing. If you're funny and people like your aura, then they are going to watch you. Otherwise, you should think of another way to become relevant like bashing famous personalities. Tons of Youtubers do this just to get a little bit of fame and get some views.
1066  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How to make governments accept bitcoin? on: April 16, 2017, 04:17:05 PM
Well as of now based on my understanding bitcoin is not consider an illegal gaming site or trading sites etc so thre is no guarantee that i can give an exact answer when it regards to the topic but as far as i know until nobody is/are complaining about bitcoin it can be consider being accepted by the government.

Even I checked, some of the trollers only speak about bitcoin being used in illegal activities but there is no proof that its been used for these activities. I do not think bitcoin will be centralized money as the feature and potential have as of now. US trying to take control over bitcoin that's we are seeing many adoption on blockchain technology especially North american region.

Just because you don't see it happening, doesn't mean it's not happening. If I told you that there are tons of people getting beheaded every single day for no reason, would you believe me? I guess you'd ask where is my proof. But think about it. The world is so huge, almost everything that you can imagine is happening (except of course those that defies science). You might be living in a quite peaceful place but there are places that are totally not peaceful.

That's analogous to what you're trying to ask. "There is no proof." You don't know that illegal activities are happening with bitcoins as payment because you are at the wrong place. You are here in bitcointalk and illegal activities are prohibited here so you wouldn't see anything like that here. But simply go to reddit. There's a subreddit where you can buy drugs, which is totally illegal, using bitcoins.
1067  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: April 16, 2017, 03:51:30 PM
Bitcoin price always matter for all of the people here, we can't lie to our self that the price of bitcoin doesn't matter to us because that is bullshit. If you are a person who needs money or who want to generate income from an asset then the price is always matter for you just like in bitcoin.

But if you get paid in that asset, then the price shouldn't matter since the rate will be based in fiat. For example in this place, the signature campaigns change their payrate depending on how much is the price of bitcoin. Thus, you don't have to worry about price fluctuations since if you're earning 20$ per day in bitcoin form when the price was much higher, when the price goes lower, the payment rate will adjust and you'll get 20$ per in bitcoin form as well.

The price shouldn't matter to those people that convert their bitcoins right after receiving it but it's totally an unwise move for me since it removes your chance of selling your coins for a much higher price.
1068  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: April 16, 2017, 03:40:19 PM
Bitcoin can not replace fiat because fiat is very powerful and it is government supported so it will be hard for bitcoin to do defeat fiat. It is just good for bitcoin to not replace fiat because it will not succeed and it will just lose some time trying to do that. Skip doing that and focus on other helpful things rather than defeating or replacing fiat.

Correct, fiat is government currency and Bitcoin is independent. Governments will always want to control their currencies which is one of the main reasons why Satoshi Nakamoto created Bitcoin. I think both will exist together for a while.
actually in present time the users of bitcoin are also very few. as a large number of people still do no know any thing about bitcoin. they still need proper knowledge and introduction about bitcoin, but i think it will take decades when all the people of the world will start using bitcoin.
i think the users of bitcoin are continously increasing and we are hopeful that the number of bitcoin users will continue to increase. as we can see that even now the users of bitcoin are present in all over the world, but still the facilities of bitcoin to be use as currency is not available everywhere.
the facilities are available in most parts of the world but only in some parts the facilities are not much and the reason is that the people of that place do not work to develop and establish bitcoin in their places.

Not sure what facilities are you looking for but I really think that the only facilities that you need are an Internet provider and a smartphone or a computer. Nothing else. Almost everywhere those can be found. Even rural areas on third world countries have them. And if a place is going to establish an Internet connection in their place, it would be not for bitcoin specifically. The Internet is too broad to just focus on one subject. Establishing an Internet connection in an underdeveloped place would have tons of purpose that it will get years before we can list down all of them.
1069  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: The future of Bitcoin on: April 16, 2017, 01:35:04 PM
With the development of bitcoin is currently booming and more and more users in various countries
I'm sure someday bitcoin digital currency becomes official and the equivalent of real currency
yes the users of bitcoin are increasing from time to time there is no doubt about this. therefore we can clearly say that bitcoin is becoming more and more develop as time pass. hope that in near future all the people of the world will be using bitcoin, and bitcoin will be the main currency of the people which will be using both for online and offline purposes.
Well, I really think that nothing has been changed really, the same bitcoin network has been the same for the past few years, there were no changes to support the massive user flow that bitcoin has seen because of how its price got higher and got popular quickly more and more people rushed into it, and if we really want bitcoin progress we want it to support the high flow of people while providing fast transactions.
While users are increasing demand are also increasing and so with the price, they are interrelated and that is what people are hoping to happen.
Also, as the users are increasing we can expect slow transaction, however we have an option to bigger transaction fees so it will be process fast.

It's also totally possible that there are more transactions going on but the number of bitcoin users hasn't risen that much. For example, if a new website comes out and a lot of people joined it, the number of transactions will increase since people will be depositing and withdrawing more frequently. In other words, slow transactions are also caused by how much bitcoin moves from one user to another. I think it's referred to as market velocity or something.

Even higher transaction fees gives you a slow transaction, tbh. I tried it before and since there are people that are willing to pay more fee than you, you're still far from the high priority.
1070  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How to make 1 bitcoin in a month or 2? on: April 16, 2017, 01:18:42 PM
Faucet won't do unkess you started faucets way back when bitcoins started and claiming 1btc and higher . And buying bitcoins is the same as on tops post . Well ,there are many ways to earn bitcoins but it won't assure us to earn 1 bitcoins in a month because it depends in our skills and ways like investing in trading or playing gambling which can make our bitcoins grow .

Back then 1BTC and higher doesn't mean much to people. People back then sees faucet sites the same way we see faucet sites today. It's worthless and it's a total waste of time. And since bitcoin was just starting back then and people are just using it purely for investment since they are believing that the price will skyrocket one day, people will probably just choose to buy bitcoins instead of doing faucets. No need to spend a lot of time for something that you're not sure of, right?
1071  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What would happen if BTC was Banned? on: April 16, 2017, 12:58:26 PM
IF  bitcoin is banned sure it have many would go on petition and get angry to one who make a banned ,but they still on bitcoin,. I think if it will happen it maybe they would still continue to bitcoin but secretly. If will happen it become in demand and i think the price and the value become higher. But impossible to happen because today was an access of internet they difficult them to do that if they going to ban.

The majority of people will chicken out and leave the bitcoin community as soon as possible specially those that are just starting out and those that aren't earning much bitcoins. People wouldn't risk going to jail just for a couple of bucks. If I have other ways to earn money, I would do that instead. Right now, since I'm busy with somewhat trivial stuffs, I can't find a full time job and bitcoin seems the most lucrative amongst the opportunities that I know. When bitcoin goes banned, I probably would just switch to the second most lucrative opportunity, until the whole bitcoin ban drama goes down.
1072  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs altcoins because ... on: April 16, 2017, 12:48:53 PM
What I find the most important is the fact that Governments do not have to fight with just one enemy (which was Bitcoin). Now they need to fight with hundreds of enemies and see what actions they can take against them. It's harder for them to reach the point where they can make all these coins illegit..

Doesn't matter if there would be millions of cryptocurrencies that has been created when the government decided to take some action. They simply have to ban the use of all unregulated currencies most especially decentralized ones and unregulated ones. When they do that, it will be legal to use centralized cryptocurrency like digital fiat, digital gold, etc.

They don't have to ban bitcoins, and then ban etherium, then ban dash, then ban LTC, then ban Dogecoin. The government is quite smart. They are not going to put a ban on these currencies one by one but rather they will categorize them to ban them all at once.
Yes, actually in some countries they don’t ban cryptocurrency in particular they ban any use of currency that is not local, that way they ensure there will be no twisting the law, banning cryptocurrency is not something that governments can’t do, they are aware of what is happening and I ensure you that they are monitoring it and know that bitcoin for example is used in the black market, and this make me think that maybe they are the ones behind it after all maybe they are controlling the bitcoin and we just don’t know it.

I kind of doubt that they have any control over bitcoins. Because why create something that will totally destroy the fiat system when in the first place, it's the thing that gives them control over us. In most countries (or at least the undeveloped once), it's not that currencies except the local one is banned. It's just that you cannot find a store that's accepting dollars or any other foreign currency. You have to exchange your money into a local currency first before you can buy something.

Bitcoin is used in the black market but that doesn't mean that the government is behind it. After all, how can you come up to that conclusion with such little information to back it up.
1073  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: April 14, 2017, 05:20:03 PM
Yes. Bitcoin will cann't be able to replace fiat.

Because bitcoin is 'something' that is anonymous. different from fiat.

I agree with you, since bitcoin is anonymous it will just remain virtual money, we cannot really apply the description of fiat to bitcoin, unless the developers of bitcoin will gonna change it features. Lets see how the world react to the option of only digital money because people are afraid of online hacking and other techy stuff.

Yes, I also agree with you. But in my view, if bitcoin was create to change into fiat, than why need to create the bitcoin? Because the reason is that to made of bitcoin, a different and unique technology where we use it only online.   

Because you can never change fiat but something can definitely replace it. Something that will make the whole fiat concept go obsolete. Something that people will surely embrace. Something that will free the people from the fiat slavery that they've been experiencing since mankind. Bitcoin is unique and much different from fiat because otherwise, there would be no effect at all.

Changing a little of something about fiat concept will not be enough reason for it to replace fiat. The reason why bitcoin is only accessible online is so that it can be used in a global level and not just in a certain country. After all, eventually we will all have access to the Internet.
1074  Other / Archival / Re: Do you agree with idea "Bitcoin bank" ? on: April 14, 2017, 05:08:16 PM
I think a Bitcoin bank is completly useless. Why we need a bank if we can keep our own money?
- No, it's not completely useless, the bank is a very safe place, I have never seen a place to keep money safer than banks. If you keep your own money, you are sure that it will not be lost or stolen. The bank can also give you a profit every month, why you say bank useless
- However, the idea of bitcoin bank still has many problems to face, such as the rapid transaction confirmation, bitcoin storage technology in the bank, etc. This is a good idea but it takes a long time to come true

First of all, the profit that you can get from time-depositing your money in the banks is too little to be worth mentioning. Banks are always the target of big time criminals. They are not going to rob you in particular since you probably have little amount of money compared to the banks. They are going to target the banks where everyone's money is located. Like, why would you choose to target a small one, when you can target a much larger one. If some genius would want to stop chaos in this world, for sure he will target the banks since almost everyone's problem came from financial issues.

"If you keep your own money, you are sure that it will not be lost or stolen." Funny how you pointed out that banks will give you the best security but here you mentioned that keeping your own money will assure that your money will never be lost or stolen.
1075  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Bitcoin needs altcoins because ... on: April 14, 2017, 04:31:37 PM
What I find the most important is the fact that Governments do not have to fight with just one enemy (which was Bitcoin). Now they need to fight with hundreds of enemies and see what actions they can take against them. It's harder for them to reach the point where they can make all these coins illegit..

Doesn't matter if there would be millions of cryptocurrencies that has been created when the government decided to take some action. They simply have to ban the use of all unregulated currencies most especially decentralized ones and unregulated ones. When they do that, it will be legal to use centralized cryptocurrency like digital fiat, digital gold, etc.

They don't have to ban bitcoins, and then ban etherium, then ban dash, then ban LTC, then ban Dogecoin. The government is quite smart. They are not going to put a ban on these currencies one by one but rather they will categorize them to ban them all at once.
1076  Economy / Economics / Re: What is your best investment strategy? on: April 13, 2017, 05:13:31 PM
Ive had some success with a venture capitalist approach. I buy up all the new altcoins that come out for really cheap. most of them dont end up going anywhere but the few that do make enough money to cover my losses plus gain me a couple bitcoins in the wallet. go out there and try new things. only you can decide the best strategy for you

Yes its good to buy multiple coins when the price is really cheap and even if not all but some coins performs well then it will give you good profits and it will also recover your loss of investing in those coins which didn't perform well.

Investing in multiple coins only lead to loss most of the time. Let's say that you got a coin that pumped up, the profit that you'll get from it will only recover your loss from the other coin investments. It's not profit at all. You'd be wasting your time if you continue to do this method. The only way that you'll get profit from this is when the majority of the coins that you bought has pumped up. And based on how you choose your coin (you said when the price is really cheap), I really think that you'll lose money.

Cheap coin doesn't guarantee profit. Most cheap coins have already been dumped by investors or the developers have already left. It's rare to see something that is booming in the market but has a cheap price.
1077  Economy / Marketplace / Re: How can we encourage local businesses to accept BTC? on: April 13, 2017, 05:02:36 PM
There's only one way-reduced taxes or a lot of bonuses which they will get.

How will there be a bonus when you use bitcoins? I don't see any increase in the amount of bitcoins that I receive everytime I do a transaction. Reduced taxes? Seller still have to pay the same amount of tax even when he started using bitcoins unless of course he did on purpose to avoid paying taxes by not submitting the right amount of income that he has.

I think there are a lot of different options-for me the way how that will happen is not a problem as long as there is desire for that to happen.

This is the "If you want it, there's got to be a way." argument which I really fail to understand. I want to blow up the whole multiverse including but not limited to the universe that we live in. Since I desire that, there's a thought that's going to pop up in my mind on how to do it? I hardly think so.

And since you've mentioned that there's "lots of different options", would you mind sharing even just one?

If we as a community really want more retailers to accept BTC then we have to propose our offers

This is the desperate approach. "Plz accept out BTC, we'll give you money." No one in the bitcoin world would want to pay more than he should just to use his bitcoins. The way I see it, the retailers will start accepting bitcoins when our population has started to blow up.
1078  Economy / Economics / Re: Why is bitcoin worth? Welcome to discuss on: April 13, 2017, 04:49:36 PM
The simple answer to that is Bitcoin or anything will have value because it has demand. From the start prices or value of something is always determined by the supply and the demand. Bitcoin has both Bitcoin has a limited supply at the same time a high demand because everyday there are users who wants to try out Bitcoin therefore having its price right now which is 1200$. Anything and I mean anything even rare coins from the past has value because of the demand of their collectors without demand we won't be seeing Bitcoin anymore in the internet.

Not really, there's a market type called monopsony where there's only one buyer and there's many sellers. The price is not dictated by the supply/demand but rather by how much one of the sellers can go down. Obviously, the price will go down so much since there's only one buyer and price decrease is the buyer's advantage. Supply and demand market only happens when there's plenty of buyers that share the same marketplace.

I also disagree that "without demand, we won't be seeing bitcoin anymore in the Internet". Bitcoin will not just vanish, or any other item for that matter, just because there's no more demand to it. It will simply be removed from the picture (or the market) but it surely will continue existing in the world and you can find it if you know where to look.
1079  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What is the best source of bitcoin nowadays? on: April 13, 2017, 04:30:21 PM
Faucets can be an attractive entry to gaining Bitcoin because first and foremost it is very free and is open to all participants whoever you are and wherever you can be. However, the problem is that it can take a lot of time and can be tedious just to gain small amount of Bitcoin. But then for those people who have nothing to do online and rather than waste time in doing worthless things in Facebook, this can be better. Faucets can work well in third-world countries as long as one has a net connection.

Like they say, it's much better to have nothing than have very little of something. This is very analogous to your example. People that know of bitcoins but don't do anything about it probably don't know a lucrative way to earn bitcoins. They might searched something like "How to earn bitcoins for newbies" and then they found captcha-solving, faucet, PTC, etc. Once they tried it and they find out that they are not millionaires yet (and I'm not exaggerating here! Newbies want to be a millionaire once they clicked a button), they just stop doing bitcoins and go back to doing trivial stuffs like socializing on Facebook.
1080  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Someone told me HASHOCEAN is coming back on: April 13, 2017, 04:16:24 PM
don't ever expect impossible thing but if someday they really comeback i think people should be learn from their mistakes because cloud mining only offering fake profit and they was never intends to help people but probably they will be back with the same owners but with the different names of cloud mining company

Let's be honest. It's any service ever made to help people? (except for donations, charity, and whatnot) Other business say that they are just doing it to help people but they are not. All business out there were made for the owners to make more money. If they are going to help people, then might as well save their time and just donate directly to charities, right?

Actually, even charities don't 100% help other people. Even the "volunteers" don't have the 100% intention of helping other people. We are all just so impolite that almost every action of ours have an ulterior motive. Charities get some of the money to their own pockets. "Volunteers" put aside to themselves some of the stuffs that they are giving out.
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