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1341  Economy / Economics / Re: Is Paypal a scam? on: February 14, 2017, 03:28:51 PM
Users do not like big interest paypal and so they are accused of fraud. But if you pay attention, then all this way payment systems work.
What interest do you mean?[1]
I think paypal do not lend to customers?[2]
moreover fee for the transaction is not too large[3]. so I think people who say that paypal is a scam just nonsense

[1] He probably means the transaction fee. It's just so big if you ask me. People complain about it all the time. It's a shame they don't know bitcoins. Or maybe they do, but too lazy to read all the necessary things so they settle with Paypal.

[2] That is correct.

[3] Not too large? "The fee for each transaction is 2.9% plus $0.30 USD of the amount you receive" Considering that the fee is on percentage, the larger money that you send/receive, the larger fee there would be. 2.9% of 1 million USD would be 29K USD. Where exactly are they going to use that large fee? They basically just moved your balance to another account on their database.
1342  Economy / Marketplace / Re: Where would you invest if you had 40$/day ? on: February 14, 2017, 02:21:38 PM
A decent investment could be cnc 3d printers, cnc laser engravers or some type of cnc routing machine.

A person could conceivably start a small business making jewelry, keychains, etc.

Entry level CNC machines are around $100.

Not sure about viability, but that could be something worth looking into.

You don't have to settle for a business that small if you're making 40$ a day. In just a month, you'll have $1200 and you can have much better investment with that. 3D printer is popular in first world countries because they are the first ones to have and afford it. I think it would be good if you buy a 3D printer and then rent it or just accept the design online, print it, and then ship it to the buyer. Not everyone can afford a 3D printer but needs to use one.

But again, with 40$ a day, there would be much better investments than that. Research what your area actually needs. You don't want to buy a 3D printer and have it rented by other people, but end up selling it the next month because you just found out that most people in your place either don't need one or already one. Grin
1343  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Getting porn sites to accept bitcoin on: February 14, 2017, 02:12:58 PM
I usually am not a fan of paying something just for me to be able to watch good quality porn. However, now since that our government is banning porn sites that violate the child abuse rules[1]. Mostly they are banning free websites, So I am on to this idea now. Probably they won't waste some money and time to spend just to buy a premium membership and then banned it[2].

[1] Isn't child porn has always been banned? AFAIK all those porn productions are following some law as well (i.e. model should be 18+ of age)

[2] You don't have to buy a membership of a website just to ban it. They simply talk to your ISP to ban certain websites. Funny because there are far too much porn sites out there and they only ban the most popular ones. People can still watch porn regardless. It's not making much effect since any tech savvy person knows how to bypass this. Even kids can look up how to bypass it. SMH.
1344  Economy / Economics / Re: I have 12 BTC in my Account, How should I invest this?? on: February 14, 2017, 01:49:10 PM
If i were you, i would split the BTC, i will save 10 btc while use the other 2 for trading. But trading is risky especially if you do not have enough knowledge and experince. But if you are too lazy to learn about trading then i guess just hold the Bitcoin until the price rise again .

If you want to do some trading better to do with all of your coin, there is so pointless if you are just using 2 btc of your total coin, that is not even half of your balance to do trading. If you can manage to use high amount to trade I believe that you will earn a quick cash. Because bitcoin price is really volatile so you can take advantage in this kind of trading

It makes total sense if you're just going to risk 2BTC out of 12BTC especially if you're just starting out. 2BTC is already a good amount of money in trading. You can already pump a coin using that money but we shouldn't put all of our money in one investment.

I know that you're thinking the more capital that you put in trading, the more income you'll get. But that's partially wrong since you can lose all those money as well. I would prefer investing in trading small amounts of money than using all of the 12BTC. There are far more investment types out there that the remaining 10BTC can afford. You can even make your own business in real life using 10BTC which is a lot less risky if you ask me since you'd know what kind of commodities your area needs.
1345  Economy / Services / Re: [SpectroCoin.com] Signature campaign weekly payout on: February 14, 2017, 01:17:53 PM
30 symbols atleast? What language do you use? You want to say 30 words? Am I correct? Symbol is not the correct word here, modify it because it is inadequate.

They most probably meant "character".
1346  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: When do you plan to sell? on: February 13, 2017, 07:17:00 AM
I bought mine $950usd per bitcoin. I want to make a 25% profit, and I will be losing 10% when selling them, so about 1710 usd. Let's hope it happens!

You only need to sell at 1,282$ to get your 25% profit. This Pascal's tetrahedron might help you:


The next mark would be around 1,500$. We're at the 987$ mark right now. We've been here for a while now so I guess the next major movement would take us to the next mark. Although it's purely a speculation and there's no proof that bitcoin price is based on that figure, it's still showing good indicators like the 233$ and 610$. We stayed on those prices for a while as well.
1347  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Difference between Bitcoin and real money? on: February 13, 2017, 07:06:55 AM
Lol first of all the biggest mistake you are doing is thinking that bitcoin is a currency which we use in daily life to pay foe groceries or travel by public transport[1]. If you keep 1000$ which is 1 btc as for now in a vault the amount still remains 1000$.
While if you see bitcoin if you buy a bitcoin it will have a increase in value and give you good returns. It is basically like gold why do people buy gold so that they can sell it in future for profit.
Same like bitcoin it is not a currency it is a investment platform.

Actually you can already use bitcoin as a currency when you use Purse.io. You can buy stuffs from Amazon using that. You can also pay your bills using bitcoin on various countries. For public transportation, I've seen someone selling in the Digital Goods some Uber coupon (or whatever it's called). Maybe the use of bitcoin as a currency is not yet fully acceptable in all places and in all services, but we'll get there eventually. You can also buy coffee from Starbucks using bitcoins. That's a good start since Starbucks is a really popular company.
1348  Economy / Economics / Re: Build a Bank Of Bitcoin on: February 13, 2017, 06:57:38 AM
That is not the real question. The real question is will you earn from your bank and still function as a bank that gives interest to your customers? Of course the answer will be a Big NO, because the #1 reason is that Bitcoin is volatile and a currency that is Volatile won't be attractive to people who are asking out loans from your bank. In return you won't earn anything from it.
The biggest problem from an economical point of view is how are you going to pay interest to the account owners, when traditional banks do so by loaning that money but we know loaning in bitcoin is very risky, just look at the lending section in the forum.

Banks don't only depend on their lending system. They also invest your money somewhere. They invest usually in big companies that have really promising strategy and goals for their business. You know that they are not going to get scammed by that company because they have legal agreements to each other.

I agree with you that if they start loaning random people on the Internet, their company will be doomed. That's why it's most likely that they're not going to do that. There are website like BTC Jam that loans people on the Internet and to be honest I don't know why is their website still on. People would just be running away from them even when they got that certain individual's identity.
1349  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: How did you first hear about bitcoin? on: February 13, 2017, 06:40:16 AM
First time I heard about Bitcoin this was when I was searching for a way to hide your money from the government without opening bank accounts in distant places.
Lol, indeed from the beginning you're looking for how to hide money and your identity, I think bitcoin is the only method to do the things you want it. Lol
Hiding your money to the government is not easy when you put your money online, even if you put it in bitcoin, there is a trail since you will have to buy bitcoins in an exchange sites and the government are regulating bitcoin exchange sites[1]. Better save it in the safe of your house, just to be safe from the eyes of the government. Even money laundering can be traceable when you are hot in the eyes of the government.

Or you can simply buy from someone so you won't leave any trail except for the transaction history. Besides, there would always be TXID no matter what way you buy bitcoins. If you create your own wallet, the government wouldn't know that it belongs to you since creating your own wallet doesn't require any ID verification.

You can even get a discount from someone if you're going to buy from him personally. When you use an exchange site, you would pay a standard fee regardless of how much bitcoins are you buying/selling.
1350  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud Minig Vs Hardware Mining Which is best ? on: February 13, 2017, 06:27:25 AM
Why the hell cloud mining will be better when you know that nowdays there are many scams and no one will offer you such service for profit when they can to mine theirself. Of course it's better to buy latest hardware equipment and control yourself your hardware which will be forever you and when new hardware will come, you can to sell it more cheaper and buy latest and keep profitable mining. With free electricity, ROI with s9 is 140% and thay's not so bad.

Cloud mining site would be better than hardware mining to those people that (a.) can't afford a mining rig, (b.) don't have a place for a mining farm, (c.) high electric bills. We all know that you need to have a decent mining rig to have some actual earnings from hardware mining. Otherwise, it would take time before you can ROI or get bored and end up just selling the rig for a lower price.

Supposed that there's an actual legit cloud mining site, one would think that it's much better to invest there since he can simply get a part or a percentage of the total mining power of someone that has a decent mining rig.

It's like having your own mining rig but only 5% of it. Grin
1351  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin is Freedom on: February 12, 2017, 11:45:53 AM
Yes you are absolutely right that bitcoin is right .with bitcoins theee is no involvment of banks at all .within 6 years the bitcoin users would go high up a lot and the price of bitcoins would go up a lot too .
Yes I agree with that. the bitcoin is independent and the bitcoin will be independent forever the bitcoin not need the government. There's a speculation that the bitcoin will pump at 25,000$ per bitcoin[1]. So I agree with you. Many bitcoin holders woll be glad if that speculation will happen and me too will be happy with that. As the bitcoin holders will multiplied the bitcoin price too will pump because of the supply and demand. So let's expect the highest from bitcoin.

[1] Are you talking about this article? It's just a clickbait and the main point of the article was just there's 21 million limit on the supply. Like, who doesn't know that? I usually don't believe on these types of articles claiming the price of bitcoin going to be this and that and then just show some lame evidence. There are also speculations from these "experts" ( Roll Eyes ) saying that bitcoin would continue to go down when the price went from 1060$ back to 960$ and they're wrong.

tldr: Not every speculations have a good evidence to back it up. Most of them are just purely speculation and nothing else.
1352  Economy / Economics / Re: Why have Bitcoin instead of cash? on: February 12, 2017, 11:33:35 AM
Because if you are unbanked or at risk to become, then bitcoin is one of the few way to protect yourself from the troubles it can get you.
Not being able to use a bank account is not something pleasant and make the daily life quite difficult sometimes. For unbanked, usually one of their solutions are prepaid cards but usually fees are quite high and limits quite slow. Or they need to go visit any social workers to get help, but some people refuse to take such actions because they want to keep their dignity, wich i can understand


In addition to the above problems with fiat, the local cash can be stolen or thief on gun point. No one can steal your bitcoins unless you give your private key to someone. You also don't have to rely on banks to save your money in case of bitcoins. Bitcoin are automatically saved in wallets with no threat of being lost.

If someone is going to point a gun to my head, he can surely do stuffs on my phone and get my bitcoins. There's a scannable QR code, so the thief only have to take out his phone as well and use your phone to scan his code to copy the bitcoin address. It would take just a couple of moments as well.

It's basically the same thing as you taking out your wallet (taking out your phone), and then handing him your fiat money (scanning his QR code and then sending all your coins).

The thieves would just adopt the the situation when bitcoin is the primary currency that we're using.

(Oh, if you're going to point out that your bitcoin wallet is not on your phone, then you must have fiat in you. The fiat would be stolen instead. At the end of the day, no matter what currency you have, you're going to get robbed if you're meant to get robbed.)
1353  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Cloud Minig Vs Hardware Mining Which is best ? on: February 12, 2017, 11:13:57 AM
Cloud mining is too risky, I have a bad experience with many cloud mining sites. Unfortunately I was scammed by them. One of them is Hashoceans which scams in summer 2016. So i advice you to avoid them and be carefull when you put your money. I advice people for  Hardware mining, which it's a good domain to get a good profit. of course you should first invest in equipments.
Cloud mining doesn't really stand a chance compared on actual hardware mining because we all know that most cloud mining are just scams and also I don't really believe on the returns that they promised because its really high actually compared on any investment site[1]. They usually ran off on our money when they accumulate enough funds.

[1] Actually cloud mining sites offer a much lower return than other investment sites. There's bitcoin doubler which doubles your money mostly after 100 hours. There's HYIP which from the name itself have "High-Yield". And then there's Rev share that's typically 10% return every month.

Scam cloud mining sites usually offer ROI for 3-6 months depending on the website. While seemingly legit cloud mining sites would take more than a year before you ROI (again, depending on the website).

I don't know why would someone be offering a legit cloud mining site if he has his own mining farm. He can take all of those profits, no need to share it to others. Maybe if there would be an actual legit cloud mining site, the KHz that you'll get for a certain price is much lower than when you bought your own mining rig.
1354  Economy / Economics / Re: Does the Price of Bitcoin Matter? on: February 12, 2017, 11:04:48 AM
Yes the price of bitcoin really matters to person who is holding bitcoin for long time, he will get into panic once the price of btc is decreasing means. But the only suggestion them is bitcoin is always volatile so don't worry about the prices, it is common in trading market. Even we can't expect when it will decrease and when it will increase.

absolutely the price of bitcoin can affect all the alternative coins in the internet. because all the alternative coins is basing their value to bitcoin if they are not basing to united state dollars. so all in all bitcoin value is always matter. we should educate ourselves about the price of bitcoin because me might lose if we dont know about it.
Mostly the alternative coins have a good effect on the price of other coins if the coin is relying on its price on bitcoin as if the price of bitcoin will increase then the value of other coins will also be increased relative to USD or fiat.

That's why most of the time the price of altcoins goes down (bitcoin terms) when the price of bitcoin is increasing. I think it's because you can earn profit if you sell your altcoins, so you can sell your bitcoins to USD. When the price of bitcoin has decreased, people are likely to pump up their favorite altcoins just because altcoins are based on bitcoins.

I've never seen that much active altcoins that didn't decrease in bitcoin price when the price of bitcoin has increased. There's no direct relation in their price but that's mostly what's happening.
1355  Economy / Service Discussion / Re: Overview of Bitcointalk Signature-Ad Campaigns [Last update: 08-Feb-2017] on: February 12, 2017, 10:54:12 AM
Is FLUX actually for campaigns that are normally full, and then have one spot opened up (because someone left the campaign) but would close again right after they found one participant? If so, it would make sense to put Rollin.io there right now and then move them back to CFNP later. Just wondering.
1356  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: Will Bitcoin be replaced by another cryptocurrency? on: February 11, 2017, 04:24:48 PM
One thing that I have realized it is very difficult to happen, even for long time it is still very difficult to happen, even today some bitcoin transaction takes quite a long time, it does not mean people will switch and will replaced with other cryptocurrency. Bitcoin will still number one cryptocurrency.

As some people believe it could happen, I think the possibility of bitcoin replaced by another cryptocurrency could happen, although very small. Because of my positive thinking that in the future there is a new digital currency that can outperform bitcoin. Because every thing there is a season must have their own. Similarly, bitcoin is currently popular. Thank you

Yeah, I also agree with you. Bitcoin can be replaced by another cryptocurrency. But it will take time. Replacing bitcoin is not that easy because i has already established its position in the digital currency world and at present its the most successful digital currency in the world. Again if any other digital currency arrives with more features than bitcoin , definitely bitcoin will be replaced . But it will take time because bitcoin has already created hugh hopes and trust in the peoples mind. Its not that easy to break that.

How come none of these altcoins have replaced bitcoin? AFAIK, all altcoins are a perfect copy of bitcoin and then added some feature/use to attract a certain market. It would take time but they don't seem to be having any progress on replacing bitcoins. Almost all of the altcoins out there promised that they are going to replace bitcoins, yet they are all worth 1 satoshi now. Roll Eyes

At the end of the day, all of these cryptocurrencies are still built by their audience. If no one's using it, even though it has several more features than bitcoin, it's worth nothing.

Tl;dr: Only possible way for bitcoin to get replaced by another crypto-coin is to have more users than bitcoin.
1357  Bitcoin / Bitcoin Discussion / Re: What do you think are the biggest disadvantages of Bitcoin? on: February 11, 2017, 04:15:24 PM
yes in my view the biggest disadvantage is its disability to surpass quantum computing. I had read several articles mentioning the bitcoin will get destroyed by quantum computing, but still the technology is in development stage so we cant say anything about it.

I think you're referring to this article or something that's like that. You should've read the comment section and see the people calling the website as "rubbish".

Although quantum computing has been a thing for a long time, they are not appearing any time soon. There are new algorithms that are being developed to make computer stuffs "quantum safe" and it's basically a race between the two (development of the algorithm and the making of quantum computer). If the quantum computer goes first, we are doomed that someone would be decrypting the private keys of our wallet addresses.
1358  Economy / Economics / Re: Bitcoin can not replace fiat on: February 11, 2017, 03:50:12 PM
Of course it can not, and I think it has never been intented[1]. For me Bitcoin will become the store of value of the world[2] and the currency of the Internet.

[1] It was created so people would be aware how foolish have they been for being controlled by the government for so long. Bitcoin is another option of a currency/property but in this new concept, the people are on their advantage and the government doesn't have any power.

[2] This contradicts to your idea that bitcoin cannot replace fiat. If bitcoin has become a way to store value of people around the world, then bitcoin has already become mainstream and it's either on the verge of replacing fiat or it has already replaced fiat.
1359  Economy / Trading Discussion / Re: How do I grow my btc? on: February 11, 2017, 03:40:45 PM
Hey guys I'm not sure if this is the right place so please tell me if it is not. With that out of the way, I have a question for you all. I have recently been able to gather about .5 btc through minor trading and I was wondering if there was any method or way to grow this btc into a larger amount safely and fairly quickly. Thanks!
We can grow our bitcoin through doing trade in the trading platform, next is we can do bitcoin faucets, though to others this just a waste of time, or we can join in the signature campaign that pays bitcoin weekly according to your rank, if your rank are full member and up its a nice to start up in earnings, or you can coins at cheap price that can be multiply by x 10 or more.
Doing and claiming in faucet its takes too much time to make a good amount and they are just giving free small amount of faucet.
Trading is much better and staying in bitcoin to usd and usd to bitcoin is more safe to make a good amount of profit buy low and sell high is enough to grow your bitcoin..

Yeah buy bitcoins when the price is low and hold them for the price rise and that is good way to make profits as price of bitcoins keeps on moving up and down so if you buy and sell at the right time then you can expect some good profits at regular intervals.

This the one of the best way for you to gain more profit from your bitcoin, hold + patience = profit. Buying bitcoin is the best option I think it's too late to buy because of the price is high for now, if you can afford to buy then buy now. This year is more promising for bitcoin it might will rise soon to the moon.

If you don't buy now, then when are you going to buy? It's never too late to buy bitcoins because bitcoin would still be there after a couple of years, but there's no assurance that the volume would increase. Just like what Satoshi said: "I’m sure that in 20 years there will either be very large (bitcoin) transaction volume or no volume." (quote source)

It's just a positive and negative thing. You either are going to increase what you bought right now at $1000 or it becomes less than that. Just think of this quote: "The best time to buy was few years ago, second best time is now." (quote source)
1360  Economy / Economics / Re: Is it better to save money or invest it? on: February 11, 2017, 03:26:39 PM
Is it better to save money in bank or invest it online, in real estate or maybe gold?

I would choose Save bitcoin rather than money in the bank, because the interest a bit small only while in bitcoin not. Moreover, I also like to invest online like this in cryptocurrency. Because its very trendinginternationally, especially there are several legit altcoins in crypto that has a promising project which is continually in progress. so better in it in the ICO coins.

Sorry to pop your bubble but there's not that much altcoins that is continually progressing these days. ICOs are now just a way for people get a good amount of money for such short period of time. You're too late to invest in ETH, ICN, and other altcoins that really have progress. People dump all of their coins once they profited most of the time so don't expect that the incoming altcoin projects would be progressive.

I wouldn't say that cryptocurrencies are "trending" internationally. Take a look at twitter, bitcoin might not even be trending in one country, let alone worldwide. There would be so much change if cryptocurrency has become the new trend. People follow all the trend.
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