Martin Armstrong Discussion

[deisik]

Signs of Armstrong's prediction of USA breaking up into autonomous regions, as well the upturn in civil unrest.

1. In the debate, Trump said that he will appoint Supreme Court justices to overturn Roe vs. Wade (legalized abortion) which will send the authority back to the States on a state-by-state basis. Thus Americans will migrate to States with ideologies that match their own.

That looks interesting and would be informative if done for real

2.

Last week, at a Republican rally in Cincinnati, one Trump supporter warned of a "revolution" and said there would be "bloodshed" if Mrs Clinton won the presidency.

"We're going to have a revolution and take them out of office if that's what it takes. There's going to be a lot of bloodshed," Dan Bowman told the Boston Globe.

3. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37716551

That looks even more interesting. I always considered the US a police state ("a government that exercises power arbitrarily through the power of the police force"), but not as something inherently evil, but simply because otherwise the US would quickly disintegrate due to insurmountable differences, unassimilatability, and hostility between cultures and ethnic groups that the American society consists of (WASPs vs Blacks vs Latinos vs Natives, etc)...

As I see it, the proclaimed policy of tolerance only concealed the existing conflicts, while in fact deepened and aggravated them

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[iamnotback]

W.r.t. to upthread discussion:

There is at least one constant, inviolably by the Gaussian distribution, which is that the elite-most will always be able to manipulate the psychology of the masses and that will never change.

So if you think you will overrule their political power by any means, then you are futilely attempting to violate the inviolable Gaussian distribution.

I agree that individual empowerment via technology which can't be centralized is a reduction of the efficacy of political power. Problem is that most everything can be centralized via political force, especially when we put Smart meters on every home that track every movement and action every where.

To align with what Rothshild and Soros appear to be doing with Wikileaks, i.e. the manipulative/blackmail destruction of the nation-states in order to usher in global monetary and governance systems, a crypto-currency which is global, widely adopted, and stored on a blockchain seems to be synergistic to their goals.

If we can also put some anonymity technology in it which only the TPTB can violate, they will love this even more. Because it means privacy for the common person, but TPTB can blackmail anyone they wish to. Based on all my in-depth study of anonymity technology, it is impossible to be anonymous to the NSA if they want to track you they can. But TPTB are not going to have the resources to track every person who is using anonymity very carefully. They will have to pick those targets which are most valuable to them.

So my goal is to create something popular and further the inexorable and inevitable move towards globalism, while also providing the common person many new capabilities and also offer investors an enormous opportunity.

Enough of the bullshit about defeating TPTB, let's get on with competing with Mark Zuckerberg and the best of the best in the Silicon valley.

[iamnotback]

Armstrong's rise of China is underway. The President of the Philippines has announced his military and economic separation from the USA and realignment with China:

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/828433/maintaining-his-independence-gordon-lambastes-duterte-over-us-breakup (see end of video)

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/147388/duterte-dared-end-us-imperialist-domination-in-ph (see video!)

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/147350/duterte-assails-u-s-for-strict-visa-policy

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/147446/separation-anxiety

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/147483/us-duterte-talk-creates-unnecessary-uncertainty

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/147399/senators-caution-duterte-on-implications-of-ph-us-split

Technical Education and Skills Development Authority Director General Guiling Mamondiong also tried to ease fears that Mr. Duterte’s declaration would have an adverse effect on the information technology and business process outsourcing sector of the economy.

“In my view, labor force is not affected by foreign relations,” Mamondiong told reporters.

“Our workers who are now at the call centers are needed by the US. Regardless of what happens [in our relations with the United States], I don’t think this is going to affect the labor force in our country,” he said.

[iamnotback]

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Subject: Fact check before you publish false amateurish allegations
From:    "Shelby Moore"
Date:    Sat, October 22, 2016 3:06 am
To:      armstrongeconomics@gmail.com
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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/north_america/2016-u-s-presidential-election/is-hillary-behind-the-false-charges-against-julian-assange/

http://www.snopes.com/san-francisco-tech-assange/

[iamnotback]

Armstrong's prediction of shift of economic center of the world from West to Asia is well underway:

..., and certainly a huge portion of the population with any money to spend.

Well the Asians are going to have the most money to spend in aggregate, especially after 2020 as the West collapses. The hightech nerds in the West will still have money to spend, but the 2nd degree relations maybe not. Btw, if you need some convincing on this, check this out and realize that no one in the West will be earning more than about $2 - $3 per hour for any job that can be outsourced online (as the Western Sovereign Debt/Socialism collapse ensues in earnest 2017 - 2032):

http://www.virtualcoworker.com.ph/job-openings

When Duterte was in China this week to declare Philippines was saying goodbye to its subservient alliance with the USA, he announced telcom deals to upgrade Internet broadband in the Philippines. There are huge 10 story call/BPO centers being built all over Davao for example (and every city in the Philippines).

Asia doesn't have the entitlements, so taxes thus wages can remain low (and China's debt can written down unlike the West's debt which will increase forever until the socialists die) until full employment is attained for billions of Asians (then wages can rise faster for all skill levels). For example look at Singapore's medical system financing:

https://www.moh.gov.sg/content/moh_web/home/costs_and_financing/schemes_subsidies/financing_approach.html

[iamnotback]

Clicking the Armstrong links in this blog of mine, will give some perspective on just how prescient his computer has been:

https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/speculation-rule-buy-when-others-are-irrationally-pessimistic-cautious

[iamnotback]

When Trump wins, in order to re-industrialize America he has to devalue the dollar.

Incorrect!

This destabilizes the status quo corruption and which will unleash the massive dollar short which Armstrong has documented (some $11 trillion) which will send massive capital flow into the dollar safe haven. I wrote more about that here:

https://steemit.com/money/@anonymint/speculation-rule-buy-when-others-are-irrationally-pessimistic-cautious

The dollar will rise along with Bitcoin. Eventually gold will flip and rise with the dollar, or wait until the dollar peaks sometime late 2017 to 2018 or so.

I would not be in gold and silver. Be in crypto and the dollar. Transition to precious metals later in 2017 or so when you will be able to buy it for relatively less than now.

Sorry r0ach if this heresy to your ears, but you will very likely be wrong about the timing on gold and the dollar. Sorry.

[iamnotback]

Rothschilds family controls Wikileaks and is choosing the next Prez of the USA or is forcing Obama+Clinton to declare war on Russia:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-julian-assange-next-leak-will-lead-arrest-hillary-clinton/

Oct. 28 timing:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/future-forecasts/ecm/did-something-happen-of-the-ecm-turning-point/

[STT]

When Trump wins, in order to re-industrialize America he has to devalue the dollar.

The dollar has to be lower just in order to be realistic about its current worth.   Its more supported and set in price as a global chess piece then an actual national currency, thats a blessing and a curse.
I see a realistic exchange rate as the best conduit to business, capitalism is dynamic not fixed centrally?

No matter our opinions or who wins in politics at any stage or level of power, the dollar is going down.   I dont think it can be argued otherwise just because its so incredibly unlikely that US government will cut back its fiscal deficit, run a surplus repaying debt, reversing QE and raising rates to be above inflation and so actually tighten monetary policy.    Isnt it just the case that no matter what, the current situation will carry on till it hits the rocks and a serious deformation to the status quo occurs.    
Personally I dont see that big event as resulting in Dollar higher value but it did in 2008 so who knows but that is the tail end of its use globally.  The business and politics and USA doesnt seem to show any way the dollar can be higher.  Its only because its so solidly counter balanced by larger populations and business outside its borders that Dollar is even where its at


Here is dollar index since leaving gold standard, it doesnt reflect the debt or trade gap.  Its still to fall and leave what is now its point of strength, making now (long term) a good time to sell dollar imo.  It could be argued every currency has devalued at just the same pace so its right that the sum average of the graph is sideways neither up or down but if USA loses its reserve currency use it would be lower and thats the result of mismanagement via QE.  
  I think Greenspan and Bernankes words recently justify that view, a change away from the norm will occur

[iamnotback]

THE RALLY CONTINUES !!!!!!!!!!

As I told you it would on Sept 3.

I'm still waiting for the collapse of 2015.75

Are you blind? It is already in full effect. What the fuck is happening in Europe due to what the fuck happened in Syria due to what the fuck what Hillary Clinton fucking up in the Middle East due to what the fuck day did Putin enter Syria officially (hint: Oct 1, 2015).

More education for your blindness here.

Listen, you're delusional

Maybe you are too. Compile your well researched facts, because afaics, you've documented nothing. It is your ideology only, i.e. prone to delusion. Enjoy it.

In case some of you foreigners haven't heard yet, our FBI director is re-opening the investigation of Hillary again as of this afternoon and the left is freaking out! Dear October...Surprise!

She's finished. Lower level FBI agents that were furious that their director played the coverup artist back in July, are investigating Hillary's aide's husband for interstate trafficking of sexual pics w/ a 15 yr old girl and this is where the new info is coming from - potential classified info on Weiner's server. There's something big going on and the FBI director's hand is being forced by his agents that will blow the lid if he doesn't act outright as he's perceived to be doing today. Trump's stock is rising heavily and dems are in freakout mode.

Wikileaks promises to release emails which send her to jail:

Rothschilds family controls Wikileaks and is choosing the next Prez of the USA or is forcing Obama+Clinton to declare war on Russia:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-julian-assange-next-leak-will-lead-arrest-hillary-clinton/

Oct. 28 timing:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/future-forecasts/ecm/did-something-happen-of-the-ecm-turning-point/

Sending messages by voting for wolf-in-sheepskin-centrist-marshmellow Gary Johnson (diluting the vote against Clinton!) and citing ancient photos as objective rationality are for non-objective pussies (Trump is an ego maniac is both playing all sides and being played by Rothschilds).

Click my Rothschilds link and start to grasp that the situation is much more complex than your simpleton good vs. evil conceptualization.

[iamnotback]

The dollar has to be lower just in order to be realistic about its current worth.

Incorrect. The dollar will go to ATHs in 2017 or 2018, for the reason I told you (which comes from Armstrong).

It must go sky high to totally break the global economy into an abyss, which will then destroy the dollar and usher in the new global monetary reset with Asia leading the way coming out of their bottom 2020.

You've got to understand Armstrong's thesis about the $11 trillion dollar global short position and the international capital flows into the safe haven reserve currency as the crisis elevates into total chaos and war every where. Later the dollar will peak due to killing the global economy, and that is when you want to have gold.

For now, you want the dollar, US stocks, and Bitcoin. Later in 2017/18, you want to transition to gold.

It is still possible for gold to sell off to $850 as the dollar rally and US stock market rallies accelerate due to the rush to a safe haven. The world is not yet really to admit it is totally fucked and move to gold. That will come later. You will see a double in the US stock market over the next 2 years. Probably a triple or more in Bitcoin. Gold will go down.

[r0ach]

Armstrong is hyping the defeat of the monarchy in one of those articles.  Once you get past all the bullshit, the senate is just a decentralized tyranny, while a constitutional monarchy actually has a figurehead you can kill if they become tyrants.  The decentralization of tyranny was not a step forward and a constitutional monarchy is actually better in the end.  The only real benefit of decentralizing the tyranny is to average out behavior between somewhat normal people and psychopaths instead of occasionally ending up with a unilateral psychopath leader like Nero.

[iamnotback]

r0ach, Armstrong has written about that sometimes a strong dictator is superior. He often uses Julius Caesar as an example.

You shouldn't allow Armstrong's interpretations impact your objectivity of the performance of his supercomputer modeling of events in time, with an unverified claim of the largest historical database ever assembled at some ~$billion in cost (in today's dollar value).

I watched him predict the Ukraine crisis, before it was on any one's radar. I watched him predict the rise of the War Cycle back in late 2013 and early 2014.

People focus too much on day-to-day even month-to-month speculations. That is not the value of Armstrong's model. It is the long-dated predictions of his computer which are stable.

I do have an issue with Armstrong's database and model not being open sourced. Makes me very skeptical about whether he is some figurehead financed by the global elite to deceive us. But life is not perfect. We must operate with fuzzy data. His model has been predictive for me.

My mistake was assuming BTC was correlated to gold, even though Armstrong never wrote that. That was my mistake, not Armstrong's. I realize now that BTC is correlated to safe haven liquidity same as the dollar and USA stocks. This seems to indicate that maybe before gold starts to blast off in 2018 or so, that Bitcoin will suffer some bad fate perhaps (does my altcoin project destroy Bitcoin? lol). Or maybe BTC becomes correlated with gold.

[iamnotback]

Rothschilds family controls Wikileaks and is choosing the next Prez of the USA or is forcing Obama+Clinton to declare war on Russia:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/10/breaking-julian-assange-next-leak-will-lead-arrest-hillary-clinton/

Oct. 28 timing:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/future-forecasts/ecm/did-something-happen-of-the-ecm-turning-point/

Rothschilds is forcing Obama+Clinton into a corner. Will they be forced to declare war on Russia to remain in control to prevent themselves from going to jail?

The RELIABLE sources from behind the curtain (1) say the Wikileaks has made the FBI look like fools, besides I reported previously that those working on the case unanimously believed she should be indicted. (2) the latest “new” emails go all the way to Obama and it appears that Hillary didn’t like reading long emails on her Blackberry. She was first sending them to Huma would then print them out for Hillary. Huma did not delete them so now they have the whole batch. This is the latest running around behind the curtain for they surfaced from another department when they were looking into allegation of Huma’s husband texting underage girls.

[iamnotback]

Just to correct factual errors.

USA is starting a war with Russia to declare Marshall law you claimed.

I didn't claim that as a prediction. I posted a poll and Martin Armstrong's speculative theory; and I developed the theory further with research into that Rothschilds appears to be in control of Wikileaks and appears to be using the leaks to force one of several possible outcomes and goals.

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[OROBTC]

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Armstrong and iamnotback have gotten the latest moves in BTC and the dollar pretty spot-on.

BTC may still have a nice little run left in its current spike if some of the Chinese wealthy continue to want out with their money. 

So much BTC is there in China that it behooves us to keep a careful eye on their markets...

Ever observant Zero Hedge has another article today on BTC's latest spike up.

[r0ach]

his supercomputer modeling of events in time

I'm not an Armstrong fan because he implies two completely irrational claims, that we live in a deterministic universe, and he somehow built a magical computer to unravel the secrets of said universe, but all the predictions are the equivalent of Chinese fortune cookie proverbs that can be interpreted to mean anything so he can claim he's always right, or that the "timing" of said event has "just been put in motion" but we haven't seen the fruits of it's labor yet.  It's all ambiguous fortune cookie stuff.

My mistake was assuming BTC was correlated to gold, even though Armstrong never wrote that. That was my mistake, not Armstrong's. I realize now that BTC is correlated to safe haven liquidity same as the dollar and USA stocks.

It's relative to your native currency.  If you live in the UK, Venezeula, or lots of other places, metals have damn sure been a safe haven.  Things like the Comex and ETFs are trading unallocated metals at 50-100:1 ratio, so that when shit actually hits the fan and there's a run on the fractional reserve metal system, the profits will be ridiculously enormous and I'm 100% sure Armstrong has no idea the date that happens.

This is why the central bankers WANT you to buy Bitcoin instead of silver.  They don't monkey hammer Bitcoin downwards because their metal system is fractional reserve and much more delicate in nature, and having it explode on themselves brings all their criminal activities to light, while Bitcoin going to the moon and replacing metals doesn't.  They get the added bonus that Bitcoin isn't actually decentralized and they can take it over.

You say that the world is short the dollar via debt, the "synthetic" paper gold markets are fractional reserve leveraged something like 100:1 because they only have to account for 1-2% physical delivery per month.  The world is short both dollars and metals, not just dollars.

[iamnotback]

his supercomputer modeling of events in time

I'm not an Armstrong fan because he implies two completely irrational claims, that we live in a deterministic universe, and he somehow built a magical computer to unravel the secrets of said universe,

Your heart beats deterministically, the sun rises and sets deterministically, but we don't live in a deterministic universe. Why is that? Answer that question and then you will understand the genius of Armstrong.

Armstrong has never claimed his methods can predict every action of every actor. Nor that he can even predict what exactly which happen on any cycle date. Rather he can just predict that something will happen on a cycle date and that it will be related to some thing in that class of cycle.

So he predict broad long-term effects which repeat with regularity throughout history (note there is a complex interaction of these cycles which the supercomputer sorts out), but he can't predict various short-term actions with much better than 50/50 odds. On the very short-term he might be say 55/45% but on the cycle turn dates, he is closer to 100% but he can't predict what the exact event will be, just its broad taxonomy (e.g. economic confidence, war cycle, etc)

but all the predictions are the equivalent of Chinese fortune cookie proverbs that can be interpreted to mean anything so he can claim he's always right, or that the "timing" of said event has "just been put in motion" but we haven't seen the fruits of it's labor yet.  It's all ambiguous fortune cookie stuff.

You don't understand the broad thesis, because you just read a few blogs and don't put in enough effort. I read all his blogs for 4 years. So you see noise, I see patterns. Also I have a high IQ for seeing patterns. I don't know about you.

My mistake was assuming BTC was correlated to gold, even though Armstrong never wrote that. That was my mistake, not Armstrong's. I realize now that BTC is correlated to safe haven liquidity same as the dollar and USA stocks.

It's relative to your native currency.

Agreed. Good point. Gold will probably not decline in Euros from here forward.

Things like the Comex and ETFs are trading unallocated metals at 50-100:1 ratio, so that when shit actually hits the fan and there's a run on the fractional reserve metal system, the profits will be ridiculously enormous and I'm 100% sure Armstrong has no idea the date that happens.

I used to preach that nonsense when I was a goldbug. Now I know better.

I see you drank the gold promoter KoolAid. They aren't very smart. I have spoken with the guys from GATA.

This is why the central bankers WANT you to buy Bitcoin instead of silver.

I think they are they are happy if you overpay $2 over spot for the oversupply of silver in the world. There is all the silver you want in 1000oz bars. How much do you need? I'll tell you were you can buy it.

Don't buy 18,000 oz of silver like I did. You'll end up bankrupt like I am.

They get the added bonus that Bitcoin isn't actually decentralized and they can take it over.

Bitcoin is their spying machine and digital kill switch.

[r0ach]

I think they are they are happy if you overpay $2 over spot for the oversupply of silver in the world. There is all the silver you want in 1000oz bars. How much do you need? I'll tell you were you can buy it.

Don't buy 18,000 oz of silver like I did. You'll end up bankrupt like I am.

If your goal is to actually make money, you would be buying before there's a physical shortage in 1000oz bars, not after (be first, be smart, or cheat).  I also hear even the big players are buying 1 oz silver eagles and NOT huge bars.  Makes sense because the purpose of a currency is standardized, interchangeable units of measure, and bullion bars do not fit the bill.  They're only useful for industrial applications, which is why many places in Europe charge VAT on bars and not coins.  Also easier to avoid counterfeits with coins than bullion bars.  I really don't see how you managed to go bankrupt while holding $320,000 in silver.

As for the future, both Hillary and Trump have talked about massive, expensive, public works projects, plus Trump has even talked about defaulting on the debt.  Tons of govt spending that won't be paid for is pretty bullish on anything that's not connected to USD debt markets.  We also reached peak oil in 2004, so extraction of anything from the earth is inherently more expensive after that date.  The markets have just not caught up to the fact yet since markets are manipulated and distorted.  

Trump might even be supported by elements of the "deep state" because they already know the system is going to collapse, so they want someone to default on the debt and do it in an orderly manner instead of a chaotic one that sends the entire world into a new dark ages.

In the end though, you will always have tyranny without metals circulated as currency in native form.  A "gold backed" currency is useless, they have to be circulated.  Bitcoin does not solve any of those issues because Bitcoin is inherently a technoracy, which is what I told Theymos in the following thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1654457.msg16663846#msg16663846

[r0ach]

Amazing summary of the motives of the neocons/khazars for war with Russia.  I already knew most of the picture, but not all the fine details:

https://biblicisminstitute.wordpress.com/2015/03/17/the-truth-about-the-conflict-with-russia/