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June 19, 2023, 10:46:39 AM |
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Like it or not, this is always going to happen. Rich clubs will always be in front when they get a player. Especially in the Bundesliga, Borussia Dortmund are concerned with profits, actually if they want they are very capable of retaining their players, because financially they are actually fine and are not constrained by a situation which requires them to sell potential players. But that's not what they want, when they realize there is something very profitable when they sell players, they will not hesitate to sell them. Who doesn't know Borussia Dortmund, and it's not just once or twice that they sold players to Bayern Munich, who are their main rivals in the Bundesliga.
In the new football modern era, money is everything and can change the history of one team for winning many tittles, regarding how faster development progress from Manchester City in Primer League since acquisition and has much money City won many tittle from domestic league until Champion League. Bundesliga has farmer league label because team with huge money is Bayern Munich only than 18 participants teams, I think need new investor for making Bundesliga keep competitive and Bayern Munich not dominance every season how easily winning domestic league tittle. Indeed has any teams with business priority than keep compete to make Bayern Munich difficult winning domestic league, Dortmund and Leipzig are both team always sell their star player on every season to rival teams Bayern Munich. Its stop sell star player to rival teams seems another Bundesliga participants teams has chance for stopping Bayern Munich dominance in domestic league. Dortmund is interested in making a profit, and Bayern Munich is always interested in winning trophies. That is the biggest difference between these two clubs. That’s why we see Bayern Munich winning the Bundesliga title year after year. This is probably the 11th time in a row they have done that. But Dortmund is not capable of doing something like that. I don’t understand why clubs like Dortmund do not prioritize trophies over making a profit by selling players. If they wanted trophies, they could have earned a lot more money because a lot of good players would have been interested in them. But now any player with even a little bit of potential wants to leave Dortmund because he gets bigger and better offers from other clubs which are known to have a legacy. It always surprises me when I see Dortmund fighting for a way to make huge profits from football rather than trophies, as other teams do. Yes, money is everything, but there are times when we need to put money aside and focus on the main goal, and right now Dortmund is always focusing on how to sell their star players and make money, which in my opinion is a bad idea for a team like Dortmund to be waiting for trophy for a long period of time due to there Performance and I hope they should change next coming year. However, Bayern Munich also need these funds in my opinion, but when it comes to competitions like the Bundesliga, which they win year after year, Dortmund needs to change and retrain their players in order to win trophies in my opinion, and I believe this is the difference between Dortmund and Bayern Munich when we compare how both clubs are managed.
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June 19, 2023, 12:21:58 PM |
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Like I said yesterday, it's not only about winning, making money is part of it. And to be realistic, no one can underestimate Dortmund in Bundesliga, so if they are interested in making more money than winning, it's their choice but all this is still guesswork as I don't expect any club to be thinking of money-making alone. Also for the record, they tried so well this season, after all, they ended the season with the same points as Bayern Munich, only that Bayern got there earlier than them.
This season and many other seasons that Dortmund did not win were still spectacular, they always prove that they are a viable contender, and one day they shall win the trophy again.
I have said this many times, that business and football cannot be separated, but how do they place between those 2 needs, achievement and money. If they prioritize too much about money, then they will place achievements that may not be the main target. Whereas when they focus on achievement I think the money will follow by itself, for example there will be many big sponsors coming in and so on. If you don't want to prioritize one of the two things, then they should do something balanced and move simultaneously between focusing on achievement and business. There is no reason for a club to say it can't do that, because they have people who have abilities in their respective fields and are not only managed by one person.
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June 19, 2023, 01:53:00 PM |
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Many things will change at bayern Munich due to the fact that a new trainer has been appointed in the last part of the competition. But could he turn this into a football machine again? It would be nice if Bayern could play football again at its old level, there was a time when they were so incredibly good that they were more than 20 points ahead of the number 2 in the league. We saw it coming a bit, as going into the winter break, this was already Bayern's worst halfway result in the last 10 years. Dortmund will not be able to win the title in the coming years, but Bayern will have to get things right first and that has not been done in a few weeks.
With Bayern Munich going through a seismic shift at the top, it's pretty clear they're heading into a phase of reshuffling. Sure, change can be a tough nut to crack, but I'm staying positive. This change could be the springboard for Bayern to reclaim their lion status in the football jungle. Remember when they used to leave their competitors in the dust, racking up points like nobody's business? After their recent stumble - their worst mid-season performance in ten years - now is the time to turn adversity into opportunity. I've got faith that with the right game plan and iron will, Bayern will sit atop the German football throne again, no matter where Dortmund might stand tomorrow.
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June 19, 2023, 02:02:36 PM |
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It always surprises me when I see Dortmund fighting for a way to make huge profits from football rather than trophies, as other teams do. Yes, money is everything, but there are times when we need to put money aside and focus on the main goal, and right now Dortmund is always focusing on how to sell their star players and make money, which in my opinion is a bad idea for a team like Dortmund to be waiting for trophy for a long period of time due to there Performance and I hope they should change next coming year.
It seems that Dortmund are comfortable with this way of working, so it is always difficult for them to break the dominance of Bayern Munich, and when the season just finished they had the opportunity to break this dominance, not only because Dortmund appeared impressive but because Bayern experienced a sharp decline after the international break, lucky for Bayern Munich because when the chance to win the Bundesliga seemed impossible but Dortmund, who had this opportunity, failed. So when Dortmund can perform quite well in one season it's like a bonus because the next target is to sell their players at high prices, they like and succeed in getting big profits, so it turns out there are clubs whose business is to create stars and sell them not titles.
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June 19, 2023, 02:09:00 PM |
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It seems to me that success in the Bundesliga is not really that important - the difference in income from first and second place is not much different. An important difference is the ability of the club to compete in European competition. For example Real Madrid lost La Liga this year, but in the Champions League they played just one game less than the maximum possible number and received a lot of money + advertising. Thus, their year turned out to be much more successful than that of Barcelona if we take purely finances. Dortmund need to aim not just for the Bundesliga title, but to represent something in the European arena.
Borussia Dortmund management never been gone for the title in Bundesliga or European competitions because their main business is buying youngsters and after few seasons Polish sell them at high price which is much better and profitable for them and they are having few good luxuries just because of their business role model and just because of this mind set Bayern Munich is enjoying good success in both level competitions because they are also having enough funds and their role model is also one of the best which is helping them for having enough quality players for the better results and win of trophies many times we discuss this here but Dortmund never been going to change their strategy and doing things as they want to do for having enough profit.
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June 19, 2023, 02:22:17 PM |
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Many things will change at bayern Munich due to the fact that a new trainer has been appointed in the last part of the competition. But could he turn this into a football machine again? It would be nice if Bayern could play football again at its old level, there was a time when they were so incredibly good that they were more than 20 points ahead of the number 2 in the league. We saw it coming a bit, as going into the winter break, this was already Bayern's worst halfway result in the last 10 years. Dortmund will not be able to win the title in the coming years, but Bayern will have to get things right first and that has not been done in a few weeks.
With Bayern Munich going through a seismic shift at the top, it's pretty clear they're heading into a phase of reshuffling. Sure, change can be a tough nut to crack, but I'm staying positive. This change could be the springboard for Bayern to reclaim their lion status in the football jungle. Remember when they used to leave their competitors in the dust, racking up points like nobody's business? After their recent stumble - their worst mid-season performance in ten years - now is the time to turn adversity into opportunity. I've got faith that with the right game plan and iron will, Bayern will sit atop the German football throne again, no matter where Dortmund might stand tomorrow. Basically, if you believe in Tuchel's quality in building a team, then I'm sure you won't doubt it. Because after all, with Tuchel there is plenty of time to rebuild the team and of course, to improve the team's performance to be as desired as before when it had such good dominance in the Bundesliga. But for me personally I'm sure that Tuchel will be able to do it all well. But what I'm waiting for is whether Tuchel can give Bayern Munich a big chance in the Champions League as well.
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June 19, 2023, 02:41:52 PM |
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Wondering how Dortmund is going to perform in the next season because they had their own policy to sell the players for years that's how they usually earn money. This business helped them to earn money by selling players like Haaland to Manchester City and now other players Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid while we know if Dortmund had both players in this season, by using a player like Haaland they could have much more chance to achieve the Bundesliga title, but they prefer to earn more money instead of this.
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It seems that Dortmund are comfortable with this way of working, so it is always difficult for them to break the dominance of Bayern Munich, and when the season just finished they had the opportunity to break this dominance, not only because Dortmund appeared impressive but because Bayern experienced a sharp decline after the international break, ~snip~
They always do this. I think it's been a frequent thing. Selling the young star players. I think they will look for a new replacement quickly. The orientation of the club is very good. They are an example of a good club in business football. As for Bayern Munich, they are in a period of change. So I can't say yet they will decline next season. There will be many surprises because the transfer market is still very long. Tuchel has had a tough season, as some of the best players left and came in at the latter age of a career.
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But hopefully in the next season they can actually have a core player who is good enough to be able to dominate the Bundesliga and take the championship trophy.
I hope so but dortmund must be coming with better performance compared with the last season. Im still waiting who will be replacing bellingham's position. Dortmund may still be in the process of getting a replacement for him. Dortmund need to rebuild the mindset to be even tougher. It's always like that. Missing the biggest chance to stop bayern's win streak is a chance that will be rarely coming for dortmund. Not even for the upcoming season. If bayern has better performance than last season and i will say dortmund has no chance to win next season's trophy.
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I would like to see Dortmund and Leipzig give Bayern Munich a big fight for the title. I also believe that the next season might be the best chance for them to do so. The coach is a fairly new one. He will need some time to get set with the squad. This is a chance that these two teams should take. Obviously, I don’t think it is going to be easy. The squad of Bayern Munich is still the best in the Bundesliga in my opinion. But we know that if there is a problem in coaching, the team can actually lose the matches that they should not be losing.
So if the coaching is bad, that is the only chance that Dortmund and Leipzig are going to get to win the title. But the biggest thing is both of them will have to be consistent. If they are inconsistent like they were in the last season they do not have any hope.
Dortmund have been the closest contenders in terms of the Bundesliga title each season, but the problem is they are not strong enough to put themselves in a position of competition for the Bundesliga title. The previous season we had seen how close to the title it was for Dortmund, but ultimately fell short in the last game as they had to draw. I also hope there are several other teams that are able to break Bayern Munich's dominance next season with their thorough preparations and new players who come to the club. Dortmund and Leipzig must become a bridge as a club that is able to do that next season and the key is consistency for the two teams the. Because as far as we can see how the 2022-2023 season is going and even the title is getting closer in sight it just disappeared for Dortmund because it was not ready to become a champion candidate.
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June 19, 2023, 03:55:44 PM |
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Many things will change at bayern Munich due to the fact that a new trainer has been appointed in the last part of the competition. But could he turn this into a football machine again? It would be nice if Bayern could play football again at its old level, there was a time when they were so incredibly good that they were more than 20 points ahead of the number 2 in the league. We saw it coming a bit, as going into the winter break, this was already Bayern's worst halfway result in the last 10 years. Dortmund will not be able to win the title in the coming years, but Bayern will have to get things right first and that has not been done in a few weeks.
With Bayern Munich going through a seismic shift at the top, it's pretty clear they're heading into a phase of reshuffling. Sure, change can be a tough nut to crack, but I'm staying positive. This change could be the springboard for Bayern to reclaim their lion status in the football jungle. Remember when they used to leave their competitors in the dust, racking up points like nobody's business? After their recent stumble - their worst mid-season performance in ten years - now is the time to turn adversity into opportunity. I've got faith that with the right game plan and iron will, Bayern will sit atop the German football throne again, no matter where Dortmund might stand tomorrow. Basically, if you believe in Tuchel's quality in building a team, then I'm sure you won't doubt it. Because after all, with Tuchel there is plenty of time to rebuild the team and of course, to improve the team's performance to be as desired as before when it had such good dominance in the Bundesliga. But for me personally I'm sure that Tuchel will be able to do it all well. But what I'm waiting for is whether Tuchel can give Bayern Munich a big chance in the Champions League as well. This works differently for different coach. Tuchel build a good team in chelsea and earned good record. This achievement was basically on the players signed by Frank Lampard and with the help of former chelsea owner. Tuchel on his own while given chance to sign his own players had challenges. Graham potter did well in building Brighton team and the team did extremely well in the last season while chelsea with Brighton couldn't perform well because the team want build by Potter. Tuchel can only build a team who's players selection was already made. He isn't good at signing players.
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Dortmund fans will now experience the effects of that match for a long time. They lost the championship by losing points against a team that had no claim in a match that could be champion, and Bayern Munich scored in the last minutes and became the champion again. No matter what happens in the Bundesliga, the champion does not change.
It's really hurts for all of dortmund fans. The fans have been waiting for more than a decade to see that moment come back again but dortmnud is not performing so well like the old dortmund that was winning bundesliga and competing with bayern. I think that dortmund's performance will be average next season. So many great players are leaving from the club. Dortmund must think again to get cheap players and develop it to be as good as those who left from the club. Dortmund was also losing a player to the bayern. I doubt if dortmund will able to be competitive enough against bayern next season. Shall dortmund fans wait for another decade to see the same moment to come again? Terzic must have learned a lot from what happened against mainz. Dormund used all of its best players against mainz but it was losing in the first half. Dortmund has small chance to create the same moment again next year.
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Leverkusen have made a big progress since Xabi Alonso arrived at the team. They were strolling around the relegation area before he came. People were wondering how successful Xabi Alonso could be. Because he was an inexperienced manager as you know. This was going to be his first proper manager experience and he started with a pretty decent team like Leverkusen.
He came here to take a big responsibility to save this team from the threat of relegation. But he dealt with this situation pretty well. He didn't just make do with making the team get away from the relegation area. They even secured a spot for the Europa League by finishing as the 6th.
The board must be loving him now. However I'm pretty sure next season's target will be top 4. As Xabi Alonso will be in control as of the beginning of a season this time, I think he can do this tough work also.
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June 19, 2023, 04:47:32 PM |
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Bayern Munich won another season in Bundesliga and it's not surprising for us anymore to see this team winning the title of the league anymore because the recent years we saw the only team racing for the title was Bayern Munich, however in this season Dortmund lost many chances to beat Bayern Munich and win the Bundesliga title after years to failing they could with the title after more than ten years but in the ned Dortmund failed to win the ttle while they could easily earn that achievement by just winning the last game against Mainz.
Bayern Munich almost lost its dominance if Dortmund did not lose in its last game, luck was still on Bayern Munich side which allowed it to retain the Bundesliga title. Last season's Bundesliga looked competitive because of the declining quality of Bayern Munich's game, losing a lot of points allowed Dortmund to provide competition until the last game. Next season the Bundesliga competition will not be like last season, Bayern Munich will return to dominate after overhauling its squad and being led by a new coach. Dortmund who recently lost the chance to win the Bundesliga, will find it even more difficult to pay for their mistakes next season as Bayern Munich will perform better under Tuchel's direction.
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June 19, 2023, 05:58:07 PM |
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Wondering how Dortmund is going to perform in the next season because they had their own policy to sell the players for years that's how they usually earn money. This business helped them to earn money by selling players like Haaland to Manchester City and now other players Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid while we know if Dortmund had both players in this season, by using a player like Haaland they could have much more chance to achieve the Bundesliga title, but they prefer to earn more money instead of this.
Dortmund's goal is not to win the Bundesliga title. Dortmund aim to find talented players. And make them experienced enough to sell them at a high price. Dortmund sold Haaland last season. Dortmund are set to sell Jude Bellingham to Madrid next season. And perhaps Dortmund will make money by selling Haller next season. Had Haaland, Haller, and Jude Bellingham been in Madrid's attack, Dortmund might have won the Bundesliga title last season.
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June 19, 2023, 06:02:01 PM |
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Leipzig have lost Nkunku who is one of their important players to Chelsea now. He was the top scorer of the season in the Bundesliga together with Fullkrug. There are still Andre Silva and Timo Werner in the squad of course. This might be seen as a chance for them to be the main striker of the team. However I still have doubts about them for now.
Because they played in quite many games this season but the number of goals each of them scored is really low compared to the number of games they played. Leipzig need at least one of them to improve their finishing skills more to get ready for next season. This is important to keep their consistency in top 4.
Leipzig is a rich team, even though it doesn't look like they are a successful one, they are a rich club with a great backer and that means they will be capable of getting a very expensive player. One of the seasons (I think it was 2019) they even had like a 200 million budget publicly, probably didn't spent as much, but that's how rich they are. So, I think losing a few players would not really hurt them, they could just end up spending a lot of money to replace those players. The problem is that, even as a rich club, they can't be as good as Bayern or Dortmund, usually third team, so they need to do something differently, approach the game a bit differently, so that they could end up with a better result, they should be winning the title with that much money.
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June 19, 2023, 06:14:20 PM |
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Leipzig have lost Nkunku who is one of their important players to Chelsea now. He was the top scorer of the season in the Bundesliga together with Fullkrug. There are still Andre Silva and Timo Werner in the squad of course. This might be seen as a chance for them to be the main striker of the team. However I still have doubts about them for now.
Because they played in quite many games this season but the number of goals each of them scored is really low compared to the number of games they played. Leipzig need at least one of them to improve their finishing skills more to get ready for next season. This is important to keep their consistency in top 4.
Leipzig is a rich team, even though it doesn't look like they are a successful one, they are a rich club with a great backer and that means they will be capable of getting a very expensive player. One of the seasons (I think it was 2019) they even had like a 200 million budget publicly, probably didn't spent as much, but that's how rich they are. So, I think losing a few players would not really hurt them, they could just end up spending a lot of money to replace those players. The problem is that, even as a rich club, they can't be as good as Bayern or Dortmund, usually third team, so they need to do something differently, approach the game a bit differently, so that they could end up with a better result, they should be winning the title with that much money. Leipzig still has had limits in place ever since they made it into the Bundesliga. I don't know what you exactly mean when you say they can buy a very expensive player, but they won't buy a player that costs like €80 million. Here is a list with players in descending order that they bought in the past. The most expensive were Keita and Olmo with a fee of a little under €30 million. I don't think they would be willing to pay much more than that.
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June 19, 2023, 06:31:07 PM |
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Wondering how Dortmund is going to perform in the next season because they had their own policy to sell the players for years that's how they usually earn money. This business helped them to earn money by selling players like Haaland to Manchester City and now other players Jude Bellingham to Real Madrid while we know if Dortmund had both players in this season, by using a player like Haaland they could have much more chance to achieve the Bundesliga title, but they prefer to earn more money instead of this.
Dortmund's goal is not to win the Bundesliga title. Dortmund aim to find talented players. And make them experienced enough to sell them at a high price. Dortmund sold Haaland last season. Dortmund are set to sell Jude Bellingham to Madrid next season. And perhaps Dortmund will make money by selling Haller next season. Had Haaland, Haller, and Jude Bellingham been in Madrid's attack, Dortmund might have won the Bundesliga title last season. But the fact is that Borussia dortmund has so far only been concerned with their finances without thinking about getting the best players to defend and getting a title that can prove that dortmund is capable of having a trophy from the European league or champions league. But it's very difficult even dortmund are still selling their best players. I'm just wondering if they are looking for new players to train who have good performance and sell at a better price.
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Leipzig is a rich team... Leipzig still has had limits in place ever since they made it into the Bundesliga. I don't know what you exactly mean when you say they can buy a very expensive player, but they won't buy a player that costs like €80 million.. [/quote] Leipzig style are close to Dortmund in fact. Leipzig have the money but they use it in a business like style by buying new players and selling good ones for profit. They try their best to pick a top spot without spending much or even while keeping profit. Comparing to Bayern, Leipzig and Dortmund have ambitions without destabilising their business profit.
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June 19, 2023, 06:52:18 PM |
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Leipzig style are close to Dortmund in fact. Leipzig have the money but they use it in a business like style by buying new players and selling good ones for profit. They try their best to pick a top spot without spending much or even while keeping profit. Comparing to Bayern, Leipzig and Dortmund have ambitions without destabilising their business profit.
They are very similar to Dortmund that's right and I think they are also very realistic about their potential. If they wanted to win the Champions League , they already know that it would cost much more than they are currently investing into their team. The difference between them and a Champions League winner could be seen against Manchester City. Whether Leipzig wants to compete on a higher level is hard to say because they already do that in Formula 1 for example. But they are an established competitor there. In soccer it is much more about money because you need a whole team consisting of 15 or more great players. In Formula 1 it is also a lot about technology and once you have an advantage you can build upon that. Perhaps I underestimate it here but if Leipzig decided to go for the best players in the market and they want to play for international titles, we are talking billions consisting of transfer fees and salaries.
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