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January 18, 2016, 09:29:54 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.
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January 18, 2016, 09:46:53 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

Paul Vernon, also known as Big Vern, founder of Cryptsy[,] announced that the cryptocurrencies exchange had been hacked. The announcement was made more than a year after the discovery of the hack[.] Cryptsy, meanwhile, was trying to cover everything up by channelling [sp] the money it was earning back into its clients’ wallets.

The attacker – famous [really, famous? Most of us never even heard of this shit] for developing Lucky7Coin – inserted a Trojan malware into Cryptsy’s code [what?] so that he could access precious information and transfer cyber currencies – mainly bitcoin and litecoin, among others still being discovered  – out of Cryptsy’s safe lukewarm storage. Overall[comma] the losses amount to $6 million, equal to with a running tab of over 13,00 (commas use two 0's?) BTC and 300,000 LTC if translated into cryptocurrencies.

Cryptsy is under investigation by a US federal court as it "held hostage” money belonging to its clients. The account holders were in fact denied access, and ability to withdraw, or unable to their funds. Clients were not warned of the hack and many of them continued depositing funds into the exchange [, lured in by the reduced trading fees to get more deposits in the coffers]. The money was probably used to refill those wallets who resulted after the attack. Cryptsy still owes [more than] 10,000 BTC (3830900.00 US Dollar) to its clients. Big Vern declared that he even try tried to involve the FBI in the matter, but did not succeed to do so, but instead chose to use buzzwords and recent headlines to try to prove his innocence.

Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head to return funds: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money. Big Vern, on the other hand, promises “mercy” in the case of the hacker spontaneously returning the money or “war” if the hacker [does....what?].



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January 18, 2016, 09:47:53 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

The LK7 dev is muddafudda. Whether or not he is Paul Vernon or one of Bitcoin's higher ups/ early adopters is to be determined...

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Last edit: January 18, 2016, 10:02:59 PM by Gleb Gamow
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Another article: http://www.econotimes.com/Crytpsy-Considers-Its-Options-Following-Major-Hack-In-2014-Offers-1000-BTC-Bounty-144732

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Cryptsy further said that an attempt was made to report the matter to the Miami FBI, however, they directed the company to report it on the 13C website and has not received any response yet.

Since it's not a direct quote, either 13C should've been replaced with 1C3 or with [sic] following 13C if quoted verbatim.

Full Disclosure: I never spend one second behind a desk in any higher education institute, but mostly these authors have, paying good money for the privilege so to later earn a higher wage to pen grammatically incorrect prose, not to mention misinformation.


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January 18, 2016, 09:56:36 PM
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Full Disclosure: I never spend one second behind a desk in any higher education institute...

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January 18, 2016, 10:04:34 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

Paul Vernon, also known as Big Vern, founder of Cryptsy[,] announced that the cryptocurrencies exchange had been hacked. The announcement was made more than a year after the discovery of the hack[.] Cryptsy, meanwhile, was trying to cover everything up by channelling [sp] the money it was earning back into its clients’ wallets.

The attacker – famous [really, famous? Most of us never even heard of this shit] for developing Lucky7Coin – inserted a Trojan malware into Cryptsy’s code [what?] so that he could access precious information and transfer cyber currencies – mainly bitcoin and litecoin, among others still being discovered  – out of Cryptsy’s safe lukewarm storage. Overall[comma] the losses amount to $6 million, equal to with a running tab of over 13,00 (commas use two 0's?) BTC and 300,000 LTC if translated into cryptocurrencies.

Cryptsy is under investigation by a US federal court as it "held hostage” money belonging to its clients. The account holders were in fact denied access, and ability to withdraw, or unable to their funds. Clients were not warned of the hack and many of them continued depositing funds into the exchange [, lured in by the reduced trading fees to get more deposits in the coffers]. The money was probably used to refill those wallets who resulted after the attack. Cryptsy still owes [more than] 10,000 BTC (3830900.00 US Dollar) to its clients. Big Vern declared that he even try tried to involve the FBI in the matter, but did not succeed to do so, but instead chose to use buzzwords and recent headlines to try to prove his innocence.

Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head to return funds: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money. Big Vern, on the other hand, promises “mercy” in the case of the hacker spontaneously returning the money or “war” if the hacker [does....what?].



That was harder than I thought and now my brain hurts



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January 18, 2016, 10:05:55 PM
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http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4440153

Best "bootleg" is right here: https://mega.nz/#!rIASVKIY!TzgknO0kL_tSAuSZVGOHP8XB32W6MQ3gfDdgQPrmZIE

I wonder what Horus asked to get edited out - maybe it was the comment about how Marshall Long (Their CTO) ruined their relationships with the banks and that's why Cryptsy Canada supposedly failed?
If I have time later, I'll go through the radio show again and make timestamp notes of interesting things.

Hey, Rick Stoner, I have a better idea. Destroy your copy of the video and sue everybody for uploading the original so that you yourself don't get sue by those who agreed to be on the broadcast... then hunt down James the Editor and cup his balls.

went back and looked at polonibox, Rick clarified that the things being removed are all comments about Paul Vernon's house, and a question about their communication methods. Said that "they were not relevant".

http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441763
http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441775
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Full Disclosure: I never spend one second behind a desk in any higher education institute...

We noticed:

...based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

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Here's the source for the contrivance of twice: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1173703.msg13598637#msg13598637
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January 18, 2016, 10:09:40 PM
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http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4440153

Best "bootleg" is right here: https://mega.nz/#!rIASVKIY!TzgknO0kL_tSAuSZVGOHP8XB32W6MQ3gfDdgQPrmZIE

I wonder what Horus asked to get edited out - maybe it was the comment about how Marshall Long (Their CTO) ruined their relationships with the banks and that's why Cryptsy Canada supposedly failed?
If I have time later, I'll go through the radio show again and make timestamp notes of interesting things.

Hey, Rick Stoner, I have a better idea. Destroy your copy of the video and sue everybody for uploading the original so that you yourself don't get sue by those who agreed to be on the broadcast... then hunt down James the Editor and cup his balls.

went back and looked at polonibox, Rick clarified that the things being removed are all comments about Paul Vernon's house, and a question about their communication methods. Said that "they were not relevant".

http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441763
http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441775


It doesn't matter what he posts, mirrors can be put up anywhere. The link to his replay will just not be the one that gets used then. He's only hurting himself by censoring a single word of the entire conversation

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January 18, 2016, 10:09:53 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

The LK7 dev is muddafudda. Whether or not he is Paul Vernon or one of Bitcoin's higher ups/ early adopters is to be determined...

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Why are you involving me in this shitstorm, feg?
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January 18, 2016, 10:15:04 PM
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http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4440153

Best "bootleg" is right here: https://mega.nz/#!rIASVKIY!TzgknO0kL_tSAuSZVGOHP8XB32W6MQ3gfDdgQPrmZIE

I wonder what Horus asked to get edited out - maybe it was the comment about how Marshall Long (Their CTO) ruined their relationships with the banks and that's why Cryptsy Canada supposedly failed?
If I have time later, I'll go through the radio show again and make timestamp notes of interesting things.

Hey, Rick Stoner, I have a better idea. Destroy your copy of the video and sue everybody for uploading the original so that you yourself don't get sue by those who agreed to be on the broadcast... then hunt down James the Editor and cup his balls.

went back and looked at polonibox, Rick clarified that the things being removed are all comments about Paul Vernon's house, and a question about their communication methods. Said that "they were not relevant".

http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441763
http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441775


Great! Let's delete the facts of using Skype to communicate sensitive information and that Paul Vernon and Lorie Nettles were able to purchase a $1.3M USD home on a greatly reduced income due to the ~$13M USD Cryptsy theft, namely 16832 CHARLES RIVER DR, DELRAY BEACH, FL 33446 0010, purchase in March 2015, as evident here: http://www.co.palm-beach.fl.us/papa/Asps/PropertyDetail/PropertyDetail.aspx?parcel=00424629130003540&
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January 18, 2016, 10:21:16 PM
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http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4440153

Best "bootleg" is right here: https://mega.nz/#!rIASVKIY!TzgknO0kL_tSAuSZVGOHP8XB32W6MQ3gfDdgQPrmZIE

I wonder what Horus asked to get edited out - maybe it was the comment about how Marshall Long (Their CTO) ruined their relationships with the banks and that's why Cryptsy Canada supposedly failed?
If I have time later, I'll go through the radio show again and make timestamp notes of interesting things.

Hey, Rick Stoner, I have a better idea. Destroy your copy of the video and sue everybody for uploading the original so that you yourself don't get sue by those who agreed to be on the broadcast... then hunt down James the Editor and cup his balls.

went back and looked at polonibox, Rick clarified that the things being removed are all comments about Paul Vernon's house, and a question about their communication methods. Said that "they were not relevant".

http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441763
http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441775


It doesn't matter what he posts, mirrors can be put up anywhere. The link to his replay will just not be the one that gets used then. He's only hurting himself by censoring a single word of the entire conversation


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January 18, 2016, 10:24:12 PM
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http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4440153

Best "bootleg" is right here: https://mega.nz/#!rIASVKIY!TzgknO0kL_tSAuSZVGOHP8XB32W6MQ3gfDdgQPrmZIE

I wonder what Horus asked to get edited out - maybe it was the comment about how Marshall Long (Their CTO) ruined their relationships with the banks and that's why Cryptsy Canada supposedly failed?
If I have time later, I'll go through the radio show again and make timestamp notes of interesting things.

Hey, Rick Stoner, I have a better idea. Destroy your copy of the video and sue everybody for uploading the original so that you yourself don't get sue by those who agreed to be on the broadcast... then hunt down James the Editor and cup his balls.

went back and looked at polonibox, Rick clarified that the things being removed are all comments about Paul Vernon's house, and a question about their communication methods. Said that "they were not relevant".

http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441763
http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441775


It doesn't matter what he posts, mirrors can be put up anywhere. The link to his replay will just not be the one that gets used then. He's only hurting himself by censoring a single word of the entire conversation

I would be interested to know what he is trying to hide, horus was very unwilling as it was.
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January 18, 2016, 10:28:03 PM
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Glen Frey may have pasted today, but as far as Paul Vernon's concerned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C070_4ya98Y

At least Sean Penn gets it!: Sean Penn is 'really sad about the state of journalism in our country'
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January 18, 2016, 10:30:45 PM
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Glen Frey may have pasted today, but as far as Paul Vernon's concerned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C070_4ya98Y


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January 18, 2016, 10:41:43 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

The LK7 dev is muddafudda. Whether or not he is Paul Vernon or one of Bitcoin's higher ups/ early adopters is to be determined...

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We should be seeing more alt/sockpuppet carnage by now...

Heres a few more names for you guys to chew on..

Matt Carsen aka:
borito4 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10897
bobsag3 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=144143
hendo420 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25129

TECHSHARE https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15728

BayAreaCoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137773

SaltySpitoon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38894

organofcorti
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118

KeyserSozeMC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166959

Wolf0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740

BitcoinEXpress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29445

Carlos Perez aka:
FrictionlessCoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=127521
solracx https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87434

Carsen Klock aka:
Carsen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=128350
dreamcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=327214

Then theres THIS shitcoin disturber .. Roll Eyes
HippieTechIsaCUNT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=213586

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oops .. I almost forgot about muddafudda's favourite candygirl/sock. lol
Crestington https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181127

tip: Cresty's Paycon is one of the many Cryptsy inhouse jobbies available over at Stakeminers. Wink

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Why are you involving me in this shitstorm, feg?

Why not ? Your lying and scamming MALAKISMENO ass has earned you this dishonor.

If it walks like a craptsy scammer... and it quacks like a crapsty scammer... then.. IT MUST BE A FUCKING CRAPTSY SCAMMER.   Kiss

oopsie again.. I also forgot to add iGotspots. lmao

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January 18, 2016, 10:41:56 PM
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Glen Frey may have pasted today, but as far as Paul Vernon's concerned: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C070_4ya98Y


Whoa!   Glenn Frey passed?   (Not pasted.)  RIP

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-35349025
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http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4440153

Best "bootleg" is right here: https://mega.nz/#!rIASVKIY!TzgknO0kL_tSAuSZVGOHP8XB32W6MQ3gfDdgQPrmZIE

I wonder what Horus asked to get edited out - maybe it was the comment about how Marshall Long (Their CTO) ruined their relationships with the banks and that's why Cryptsy Canada supposedly failed?
If I have time later, I'll go through the radio show again and make timestamp notes of interesting things.

Hey, Rick Stoner, I have a better idea. Destroy your copy of the video and sue everybody for uploading the original so that you yourself don't get sue by those who agreed to be on the broadcast... then hunt down James the Editor and cup his balls.

went back and looked at polonibox, Rick clarified that the things being removed are all comments about Paul Vernon's house, and a question about their communication methods. Said that "they were not relevant".

http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441763
http://www.polonibox.com/?messageId=4441775


Great! Let's delete the facts of using Skype to communicate sensitive information and that Paul Vernon and Lorie Nettles were able to purchase a $1.3M USD home on a greatly reduced income due to the ~$13M USD Cryptsy theft, namely 16832 CHARLES RIVER DR, DELRAY BEACH, FL 33446 0010, purchase in March 2015, as evident here: http://www.co.palm-beach.fl.us/papa/Asps/PropertyDetail/PropertyDetail.aspx?parcel=00424629130003540&

Wow nice place, even has a pool. do cryptsy customers get the half his wife doesn't get?

http://www.co.palm-beach.fl.us/papa/Asps/papagis/papagis.aspx?qvalue=00424629130003540

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January 18, 2016, 11:02:53 PM
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The first person to correctly count the obvious errors in the following article wins an Oreo cookie: https://www.hackread.com/cryptsy-hacked-bitcoin-worth-usd-6-million-stolen/

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Now, there is a bounty over Lucky7Coin’s developer’s head: 1000BTC promised to anyone who can trace the stolen money.

There's two, leaving it for yous to [easily] hunt the others in the short article. Hint: It's over six errors in total, which is amazing given that it's a fresh article based on other articles penned over the past twice days.

The LK7 dev is muddafudda. Whether or not he is Paul Vernon or one of Bitcoin's higher ups/ early adopters is to be determined...

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We should be seeing more alt/sockpuppet carnage by now...

Heres a few more names for you guys to chew on..

Matt Carsen aka:
borito4 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=10897
bobsag3 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=144143
hendo420 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=25129

TECHSHARE https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=15728

BayAreaCoins https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=137773

SaltySpitoon https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=38894

organofcorti
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=14118

KeyserSozeMC https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=166959

Wolf0 https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=80740

BitcoinEXpress https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=29445

Carlos Perez aka:
FrictionlessCoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=127521
solracx https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=87434

Carsen Klock aka:
Carsen https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=128350
dreamcoin https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=327214

Then theres THIS shitcoin disturber .. Roll Eyes
HippieTechIsaCUNT https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=213586

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oops .. I almost forgot about muddafudda's favourite candygirl/sock. lol
Crestington https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=181127

tip: Cresty's Paycon is one of the many Cryptsy inhouse jobbies available over at Stakeminers. Wink

JAN 18 2016 EDIT
iGotSpots https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=108913

Why are you involving me in this shitstorm, feg?

Why not ? Your lying and scamming MALAKISMENO ass has earned you this dishonor.

If it walks like a craptsy scammer... and it quacks like a crapsty scammer... then.. IT MUST BE A FUCKING CRAPTSY SCAMMER.   Kiss

oopsie again.. I also forgot to add iGotspots. lmao
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Couple of other thoughts...

Maybe the hackers only took alt coins... dash, doge, ltc etc and Paul himself stashed aside the BTC to keep it with the story that's why it hasn't moved and he's waiting for the blame game to show up nothing..? It explains why the alts were moved, mixed spent whatever but the btc hasn't.

Or

Maybe the hackers intention was to bring cryptsy down with all their bs? If that was the case though and I had done it I would of sent half the bitcoin to a wallet and used half of the amount as a trans fee... wouldn't that be hilarious? People seeing a huge mining fee and cryptsy having to come forward and admit it to try and reclaim that fee?

Did the hackers photoshop Leroy's mug shot too ? Roll Eyes

This is an inside job and you need to stop doing such a shitty job as a disinfo agent and shill. Tongue

Or stop being so childish and join a skype or hangout and be proven wrong!! this is not a beauty contest hippietech, you either want real proof or not !!!

And wow to think one would actually go thru all that crap to have a double identity on a forum. do you seriously believe this stuff you spout on about? Are you seriously that crazy that you think people spend their time doing stuff like you claim?

 You know some of us have more of a life than sitting on Bitcoin talk all day trolling people. The handful of you guys that literally waste your life doing these kinds of things amazes me. Do you guys not have jobs or projects or anything productive you could be putting your wasted time towards.

And you think we want to waste our time catering to your every request, selphies, random website postings, we have you a real solutin you can not avoid or troll... do the hangout or the skype or give it up, we are not the same person....DEAL WITH IT your wrong as usual!!!!


I have 3 letters for you "Leroy",  C  G  I.

Your ears were as badly cropped as your neckline.


Are you really that full of your Fodorable shit that you honestly believed no one would notice ?



cant you just meet them both on skype or google hangout as they offered? selfies you asked for uploaded wont prove anything to you as there is always the possibilty of you claiming photoshop or cgi or whatever dont you agree? them on a hangout or skype is live video which is irrefutable proof and thats what you are after. they have both agreed to this but you are dragging the chain on it.

if you dont want your face shown just disable your webcam.
i dont understand why you wont do the video view and personally until you do i dont think you have any grounds to play judge on this until you do.

your beef with stakeminers is yours im not really caring about that but your character assassination of another based on 2 pictures when you wont join a video hangout is plain wrong.

O god not you again... I'm throwing ideas out there as pie in the sky thoughts. Just thoughts man.... and disinformation.. you spent like 2 pages trying to tell people I was that Jagropolite person based on no0o0o0 text and a few other things. Took gleb to actually find the real me so there is disinformation from you. Come to think of it you never mentioned you were wrong about that.

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Apologies it was spoetnik that said I was jagropolite just checked. Leaving original post here for transparency. I was wrong on that one... was coping criticism from both angles and couldn't remember.
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