While asking for help Arb'ing between Cryptsy USA & Cryptsy China while defending Stakeminers.
Players ? ..Spoetnik, Gleb Gamow, unknown guy, and mysterious Stakeminers user Fodor+Terrik "Frriend"
Note: My poor spelling was corrected and any IP address or garbage etc were removed.
EDIT: i had to change my name to xpmule because a guy showed up Trolling Gleb with my name.
I changed it not long into this log..
mentioned above.
i just seen all 3 of his user names log on and off with the same exact IP address LOL
03[22:24]
* cryptsygotme has joined #Cryptsy[22:29] <cryptsygotme> Does anyone know what coins we can withdraw on Cryptsy?
[22:29] <cryptsygotme> I finally got my withdraws canceled Now I need to find what coin I can use to withdraw my funds from there?
[22:29] <
fasdfs> cryptsygotme: DASH, BTC, LTC, ETH are almost certainly 100% broken
01[22:29] <
xpmule> what coins ? not sure but i would avoid BTC, LTC, ETH and prob more
[22:29] <fasdfs> I have heard of success mostly with DOGE
01[22:30] <xpmule> ya but price is high so you pay for that
[22:30] <cryptsygotme> Someone said Doge might be ok, but they said with a loss? How can I make sure the coin I use can be withdrawn?
[22:30] <fasdfs> You can't
01[22:30] <xpmule> you can't
01[22:30] <xpmule> LOL
[22:30] <fasdfs> You just have to take a leap of faith
[22:31] <fasdfs> if it doesn't work, make a support ticket to have the WD cancelled
[22:31] <cryptsygotme> This is not good.
01[22:31] <xpmule> small amounts work fine for most coins but the problem people all say is when you do a BIGGER transfer
[22:31] <cryptsygotme> The last time took 2 days to cancel.
[22:31] <fasdfs> I'd get started quickly then
01[22:31] <xpmule> maybe ask guys on Cryptsy chat what works ?
[22:31] <fasdfs> who knows if the site will be here in 2 days?
[22:32] <cryptsygotme> I do not have another 2 days to wait.
[22:32] <cryptsygotme> Some say the owner will be back.
[22:32] <cryptsygotme> But they do not know when.
[22:32] <fasdfs> I would not trust he is coming back
01[22:32] <xpmule> i heard rumor he was in China
[22:33] <fasdfs> Nothing to indicate he's fixing anything
[22:33] <cryptsygotme> The guys on bitcointalk are pretty sure we are all screwed.
[22:33] <fasdfs> If anything, evidence points to him making a new exchange and leaving country
01[22:33] <xpmule> if he is nothing is getting fixed while he is gone
01[22:33] <xpmule> and what is broken seems to me that they are running out of coins
[22:33] <cryptsygotme> My friend says he has 70 BTC stuck on there right now. I feel bad for him
01[22:34] <xpmule> well Gleb pointed out he has a fairly new mansion to come back to and prob his wife etc
01[22:34] <xpmule> 70 btc ? that sucks
03[22:34]
* xpmule is now known as Spoetnik[22:34] <cryptsygotme> I do not trust that guy. I like the spoetnik guy but even he sometimes has rants that are unbelievable.
[22:34] <fasdfs> Hahaha
[22:34] <cryptsygotme> OOPS
01[22:35] <Spoetnik> ahhahahah
[22:35] <fasdfs> Incredible timing
01[22:35] <Spoetnik> that made me LOL for realz
[22:35] <cryptsygotme> Me to
01[22:35] <Spoetnik> you know Gleb Gamow is here too eh ?
[22:36] <cryptsygotme> Its ok.
01[22:36] <Spoetnik> he is.. huubuu
[22:36] <cryptsygotme> I am sure he knows not everyone likes or believes him.
01[22:36] <Spoetnik> my nick here was regged years ago
[22:37] <cryptsygotme> But sometimes you and a few others make some very valid points about scammers.
01[22:37] <Spoetnik> difference is i have USED Cryptsy for years
[22:37] <cryptsygotme> It is bad today, there are hardly any crypto related sites to invest in and grow your BTC, and now trading and exchanges are even questionable.
01[22:37] <Spoetnik> i started trading on Cryptsy 2 months after it opened
01[22:38] <Spoetnik> last time i traded witrh Cryotsy my coins vanished
[22:38] <fasdfs> Only altcoin exchange I trust now is poloniex, bittrex's history is too sketchy with scam ICOs and pump&dumps
01[22:38] <Spoetnik> when i asked i was dicked around then lied to about a Fork on the chain
[22:38] <fasdfs> They actually have decent liquidity there too
[22:38] <fasdfs> Chat mods are a bit crazy sometimes though
[22:38] <cryptsygotme> I started a while ago. I used to trust them, but it is looking grim. A lot of wallets in maintenance, empty hot wallets, owner gone out of country.
[22:39] <cryptsygotme> You had a coin?
01[22:39] <Spoetnik> ya but you all forget Cryptsy has been doing this shit ALL along !
01[22:39] <Spoetnik> i have an IRC log of them doing this a year+ ago
01[22:39] <Spoetnik> they simply sweep it under the rug then do it again later..
01[22:40] <Spoetnik> people forget i guess
[22:40] <cryptsygotme> But never for this long. they have always had issues, but not this many all at once.
01[22:40] <Spoetnik> it was worse on my log because it all was more popular
[22:40] <cryptsygotme> Man that is a nice loss on arbing DOGE. WTF
01[22:40] <Spoetnik> every few minutes a guy showed on thsi channel asking where his Doge coins were
01[22:41] <Spoetnik> and i kept wondering how they even knew to come here.. get it ?
01[22:41] <Spoetnik> then 1 guy after a week showed from Cryptsy with a new name no one heard of claiming we were all liars
[22:41] <cryptsygotme> Everyone has an IRC right?
01[22:42] <Spoetnik> it was bad !
01[22:42] <Spoetnik> they smoothed it over and carried on..
[22:42] <cryptsygotme> Everything in crypto is becoming bad lately.
01[22:42] <Spoetnik> they always get away with shit
[22:42] <fasdfs> Not going to get away with this one though
01[22:43] <Spoetnik> unless they close doors people will still stuck up for Cryptsy no matter how bad it gets
[22:43] <
huubuu> <cryptsygotme> I am sure he knows not everyone likes or believes him.
[22:43] <huubuu> now I'm really gonna cry.
[22:43] <cryptsygotme> Because of the amount of coins they allow to be traded. Its the best altcoin exchange there is.
[22:43] <cryptsygotme> Sorry huubuu, you are just a little loud for my taste.
01[22:43] <Spoetnik> i tried guys.. i really did i spent years giving Cryptsy chances
[22:44] <huubuu> no prob
01[22:44] <Spoetnik> in the end they lied to me and stole my coins then gave them to me way late
01[22:44] <Spoetnik> i was arb'ing and took my loss and had enough.. that was the last time
[22:45] <cryptsygotme> Yes I wonder how much manipulation goes on behind the scenes. Or what they are really doing with all those BTC in the "cold wallets" right now.
01[22:45] <Spoetnik> cryptsygotme.. now you must kiss huubuu's ring and ask the crypto-mob for forgiveness
[22:45] <fasdfs> Every time me and my friends tried to do an arb on cryptsy, we'd have an issue
01[22:45] <Spoetnik> i have seen signs that they manipulate shit for years now
[22:45] <fasdfs> If it was more than about 15%, their wallet would go offline for deposits while our deposits were confirming, and someone else would get the arb
[22:45] <fasdfs> That someone else was surely vern or mullick
01[22:46] <Spoetnik> they always claim it's a coincedence.. but there is too many to say that
[22:46] <fasdfs> right Spoetnik
01[22:46] <Spoetnik> yup i seen them do that lots.. BTC price rockets up ..bam.. BTC wallet goes offline
01[22:47] <Spoetnik> they did that since BTC was up to 50 bucks for the first time !
[22:47] <cryptsygotme> I am now questioning the volume on there. becasue if you notice the high volumes they had on some alts have not moved to other exchanges. So the question is where is that volume gone?
[22:47] <huubuu> <cryptsygotme> Sorry huubuu, you are just a little loud for my taste. -- was I too loud when being the first to expose Paul Vernon's literally brand new million-plus-dollar home?
01[22:47] <Spoetnik> it got so bad back when BTC was hitting $50 for the first time i started predicting it.. the wallets going down
01[22:47] <Spoetnik> then i would sit on chat and say see ? i told you guys
[22:48] <cryptsygotme> I do not care about his home, I care about my coins.
01[22:48] <Spoetnik> they been pulling shit since the START !
[22:48] <huubuu> your coins are in his home
01[22:48] <Spoetnik> sadly people in the scene don't know about Cryptsy's sketchy past
01[22:49] <Spoetnik> many people have agreed with me too and many can't stand me LOL
[22:49] <cryptsygotme> I doubt that. I probably don't even have enough for his granite counter tops. Maybe he used mine at McDonalds or something.
[22:49] <huubuu> the team's been pullin' shit since late 1990, with nobody but me making the connections, sometimes "loudly"
01[22:49] <Spoetnik> so it's not like i have a team of trolls.. it's just how it is lol
01[22:49] <Spoetnik> true dat Gleb !
[22:49] <cryptsygotme> 1990 There was no Bitcoin in 1990
01[22:50] <Spoetnik> he meant their past other business stuff
[22:50] <huubuu> Paul and Jim and Ginny been together since the 90's in other ventures, and continued to work together up to the advent of Bitcoin forward.
01[22:50] <Spoetnik> like an auction site riddled with complaints about being ripped off
[22:50] <cryptsygotme> Who cares about thier past porno business, Like I said Gleb is to loud for my taste.
01[22:51] <Spoetnik> well a lepoard does not lose it's spots guy
[22:51] <cryptsygotme> they do if you dump bleach on him
[22:51] <fasdfs> cryptsygotme:Matters to me because it's indicative of how Paul vernon runs a business and treats his customers. If we know he'll do this to other people in another business, we know what to expect here
01[22:51] <Spoetnik> if they ran 20 scammy businesse's prior then it's highly likely they are still doing it.
[22:51] <fasdfs> Rise the alarm and let people know what a scummy businessman he is
[22:51] <huubuu> and the hosting sites, and the porn sites, and paul's banking site that went under acting as a third party thingy for other porn sites
01[22:52] <Spoetnik> yeah often with them acting as customers etc
01[22:53] <Spoetnik> 2 guys pretending to not know each other etc
<Gleb Gamow (huubuu) LEFT>
01[22:53] <Spoetnik> i still wonder about Cryptsy China LOL
01[22:54] <Spoetnik> he has a new exchange over there now
01[22:54] <Spoetnik> registered in his company name + the site has cryptsy code too
[22:54] <cryptsygotme> If that is all true, just hear me out, why are they not in jail. Third party banking service, that's jail time. All those businesses are real world businesses, if its all true, wheres the court cases. I'm just saying.
01[22:54] <Spoetnik> parts of the China site has Cryptsy still written in it
[22:54] <fasdfs>
https://www.bitebi9.com/ <-- Cryptsy China
[22:55] <fasdfs> oh wow!
[22:55] <fasdfs> Look at the chat
01[22:55] <Spoetnik> no idea why they ar enot in jail
[22:55] <fasdfs> They censor "cryptsy" in the chatroom
01[22:55] <Spoetnik> LOL no way funny
[22:55] <cryptsygotme> If I was to do that kind of information I would show the court cases involved. I mean if you think about it, you can not run that many scams in the real world and not be sued. look at JG
[22:55] <fasdfs> Terrik
[22:55] <fasdfs> I just got it over at xxxxxxxx just now
[22:55] <fasdfs> Dontlooknow
[22:55] <fasdfs> ill just hang back an watch
[22:55] <fasdfs> Terrik
[22:55] <fasdfs> I just got the DOGE that I sent from here to c-r-y-p-t-s-y about a minute ago..
[22:55] <fasdfs> Terrik
[22:55] <fasdfs> poloniex bleutrade xxxxxxxx bittrex
[22:55] <fasdfs> Terrik
[22:55] <fasdfs> heh.. I wonder if that was the first word they chat censored.. XD
01[22:55] <Spoetnik> even though the chat box code in China has Cryptsy in it LOL
01[22:56] <Spoetnik> ahh Terrik Mr. NET haahah
[22:56] <cryptsygotme> I like Terrik, known him for a while.
[22:56] <cryptsygotme> He got me into Netcoin a while back
[22:56] <fasdfs> Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
https://twitter.com/bitebi9/status/67666264309302067201[22:56] <Spoetnik> well are you in StakeMiners ?
[22:57] <cryptsygotme> That whole chinese site is a cryptsy remake, I heard the owner sold them the script.
[22:57] <cryptsygotme> Yes actually I am, I know Leroy very well.
[22:57] <fasdfs> happy123 ♔
[22:57] <fasdfs> Morning
01[22:57] <Spoetnik> aww bummer i wish Gleb was still here to see you say that LOL
[22:58] <cryptsygotme> He has done me a few solids outside of StakeMiners
[22:58] <fasdfs> ^ "happy123" is the first admin we've seen from Bitebi9
01[22:58] <Spoetnik> and ya that Twitter link is funny !!
[22:58] <cryptsygotme> Yea I know investard is what you call us.
[22:58] <cryptsygotme> But you know what my payouts come in like clockwork and he is very communicative with me.
01[22:58] <Spoetnik> come on tell us.. are you really Leroy Fodor ?
[22:58] <cryptsygotme> No. I am not.
[22:59] <cryptsygotme> But I can tell you a lot about him you guys do not know.
01[22:59] <Spoetnik> why did Terrik not tell you to get out of Cryptsy ?
[22:59] <cryptsygotme> But I do not think you will believe it.
01[22:59] <Spoetnik> He obviously did LOL
[22:59] <cryptsygotme> He didn't. he is arbing right now
01[22:59] <Spoetnik> then he went to Cryptsy China ROFL
[22:59] <cryptsygotme> He is where I hear a lot of the cryptsy info I have
01[23:00] <Spoetnik> ewww dangerous game especialy with Cryptsy these days
01[23:00] <Spoetnik> tell ya i have been burned lots arb'ing
01[23:00] <Spoetnik> whcih is WHY i speak up !
[23:00] <cryptsygotme> Yes I am having a hard enough time getting my several BTC out of there.
01[23:00] <Spoetnik> i hope to save people the anguish and financial loss
[23:01] <cryptsygotme> Terrik is actually a very good trader, I can't say if he has ever been burned, but he is like a crypto calculator, he can tell you a percent of loss or gain like a calculator.
01[23:01] <Spoetnik> you don't get it.. don't matter if your the best trader on earth !
[23:01] <cryptsygotme> I know
[23:01] <cryptsygotme> Stuff happens
[23:02] <cryptsygotme> I tried arbing and sometimes the coins just dont get there in time
01[23:02] <Spoetnik> if the exchange decides to fuck you then your powerless
01[23:02] <Spoetnik> exactly
[23:02] <cryptsygotme> I dont know how Terrik does it so well.
01[23:02] <Spoetnik> you got fucked !
01[23:02] <Spoetnik> beware.. seriously
[23:03] <cryptsygotme> I tried small amounts. Once they got to the other exchange just let them sit on the sell side till they sold for a profit.
01[23:03] <Spoetnik> small amounts are not the problem lately but have been in the past too
01[23:03] <Spoetnik> i got screwed over a dollars worth and raged on cryptsy way back LOL
[23:03] <cryptsygotme> Terrik is a good guy, so is Leroy no matter if you like him or not. He does a lot more for people than others give him credit for.
[23:04] <cryptsygotme> I think a dollar is a little much to rage about
01[23:04] <Spoetnik> people don't come here to make friends eh
01[23:04] <Spoetnik> not if it was stolen
01[23:04] <Spoetnik> steal 1 dollar from me i will rage ! AHAHHA
[23:05] <cryptsygotme> LOL yea, I guess for you that's fine, for me a dollar isn't worth the neg attention.
01[23:05] <Spoetnik> it is worth a million dollars worth of attention
01[23:05] <Spoetnik> showing how a company will ruin their rep for a buck is need to know info !
[23:06] <cryptsygotme> maybe one day i will want to make something for crypto, the last thing I need is a person like huubuu seeing me complaining about a 1 dollar loss LOL Always think ahead
01[23:06] <Spoetnik> just think too..
01[23:06] <Spoetnik> if Cryptsy has 331,000 customers and they stole 1 dollar from each on once .. how much is that ?
[23:07] <cryptsygotme> 331K
01[23:07] <Spoetnik> and that is a fed crime
01[23:07] <Spoetnik> if they WERE doing that i would want to know
01[23:07] <Spoetnik> because it could mean they could be shut down anytime by FBI etc
[23:08] <cryptsygotme> Well they surely are not going to tell you.
01[23:08] <Spoetnik> over 10k and fraud so bad
01[23:08] <Spoetnik> does any thief tell you ?
01[23:08] <Spoetnik> and is your investment secure ?
01[23:08] <Spoetnik> that id need to know info !
01[23:08] <Spoetnik> so yeah all that DOES matter
[23:09] <cryptsygotme> And they have done worse things than that in withdraws, claiming my complaint is about a small amount of coins, I told them the same thing, about adding it up for all the clients which makes a much larger amount, Jshok closed my ticket.
[23:10] <cryptsygotme> The question is can you find enough people to testify losses of 10K or more?
[23:11] <cryptsygotme> Well right now you can HAHA. My friend has 70BTC locked up in there right now that's enough.
01[23:12] <Spoetnik> what does it take to get through to people ?
01[23:12] <Spoetnik> is it ok to steal 1 dollar ?
01[23:12] <Spoetnik> but not 70 btc ?
01[23:12] <Spoetnik> just sayin lol
[23:13] <cryptsygotme> A lot, we are all looking for ways to make money, people like me do not want the added drama. You say you are trying to help people, and that is fine, but how do you know your efforts have not helped to escalate the situation.
[23:13] <cryptsygotme> Panic is a powerful tool.
01[23:14] <Spoetnik> when it's YOU losing your coins i will call it drama .. fair ?
01[23:14] <Spoetnik> when it's someone else it's just FUD ?
[23:14] <cryptsygotme> If I lose my coins it will not be more than I can afford, only support for the site I use will see my problem.
01[23:15] <Spoetnik> some people can afford to be ripped off ?
[23:15] <cryptsygotme> I never said it was FUD. I said sometimes situations can be made worse by panic from reading the drama.
01[23:15] <Spoetnik> i hope so..
01[23:15] <Spoetnik> panic is due when they have no coins left
[23:15] <cryptsygotme> No some people invest logically with the mindset that you should never invest more than you can lose. This is a financial investment in a sense, investment rules are still the same.
01[23:15] <Spoetnik> i think your hell bent on defending them in your head
01[23:16] <Spoetnik> they won't defend you LOL
01[23:16] <Spoetnik> they will take your money and bolt
[23:16] <cryptsygotme> You are correct panic is due when there are no coins left, but what abut when there are coins left.
[23:17] <cryptsygotme> I am not trying to defend them, I know they do a lot of unethical things, but do any of us have the cold wallet addresses to verify they have no coins, or to where the coins were sent?
01[23:17] <Spoetnik> would you defend Hitler too ? LOL
01[23:17] <Spoetnik> he prob had a good reason to kill Jews
01[23:17] <Spoetnik> and its their fault for living in Germany
01[23:18] <Spoetnik> and that chick that got raped was dressed like a slut so..
[23:18] <cryptsygotme> I am trying to hope for the best. Not really defending them. they have a service that my particular style of trading needs. Thus I have hopes things will get better.
01[23:18] <Spoetnik> why they already fucked over a lot of people for 3 years
01[23:18] <Spoetnik> you are sticking up for the assholes that raped me 50x
01[23:18] <Spoetnik> see how that looks ?
[23:19] <cryptsygotme> Hitler was a great leader, no one can deny that. He was good for his people, made germany into something it never was before his reign and a lot of what we have scientifically came form his reigh.
01[23:19] <Spoetnik> you are saying hey my buddy the rapist is a nice guy though...
[23:19] <cryptsygotme> was he a good person NO absolutely not.
01[23:19] <Spoetnik> stop thinking about yourself and think of the long line of victims
01[23:20] <Spoetnik> Defending a thief is silly LOL
[23:20] <cryptsygotme> You need to stop being selfish as well. Everything we do is a risk, buying one Bitcoin has risks, exchanging those has risks, everything in crypto has risks.
01[23:20] <Spoetnik> show some compassion for the guys who got screwed over by Cryptsy over the years
[23:20] <cryptsygotme> Hell walking to the grocery store has risks.
01[23:21] <Spoetnik> you don't want the drama ?
01[23:21] <Spoetnik> what if someone gets screwed over ? be quiet and don't ruin my financial fun ?
01[23:21] <Spoetnik> compainers jeez LOL
01[23:21] <Spoetnik> risks or fraud ?
[23:22] <cryptsygotme> I have had my own share of being screwed over by them, but it is what it is. I can't make them give me my coins they stole, I can't make them do the right thing. I sure can not make the owner do the right thing.
[23:22] <cryptsygotme> I am a nobody powerless over the risks I take in crypto.
01[23:22] <Spoetnik> altruism
01[23:23] <Spoetnik> Cryptsy exists soley to make money.. not friends
[23:23] <cryptsygotme> Risk of complete loss is there in everything we do. You can buy a house tomorrow in cash, and the ting can get blown away in a hurricane before you have a chance to get insurance and you will lose it all.
01[23:24] <Spoetnik> fair risks are fair
01[23:24] <Spoetnik> stealing is stealing
[23:24] <cryptsygotme> Friends, they dont want friends, they dont even care about high volume traders there.
01[23:24] <Spoetnik> regardless if you can offord to take the loss or not.
[23:25] <cryptsygotme> DidI hear you correctly? did you say you had your own coin before, or were you talking about coins you had on cryptsy?
01[23:25] <Spoetnik> never had anything to do with making coins
[23:26] <cryptsygotme> Ok I misunderstood.
01[23:26] <Spoetnik> stopped using cryptsy 1+ yrs ago too
[23:26] <cryptsygotme> you guys have to look at this from a person outside the box.
[23:27] <cryptsygotme> Looking in readers can see you, and at this point you can seem to be a bit angry with what happened over a year ago to you.
01[23:27] <Spoetnik> a coin shot up in price.. i tried to arb from Polo to cryptsy then they avoided me on chat for an hr+
01[23:27] <Spoetnik> then eventually lied about a fork
01[23:27] <Spoetnik> not the 1st time either so i had enough..
[23:28] <cryptsygotme> Things based on actions a year ago have little bearing on people now. History repeats itself, that is fine and good. But its hard to push your feelings when that's what a portion of the people can see.
01[23:28] <Spoetnik> lol ok
01[23:28] <Spoetnik> that is silly bs
01[23:29] <Spoetnik> you ar weird buddy.. no idea what is wrong with you
[23:30] <cryptsygotme> Is cryptsy perfect, no, are they ethical no, are they well managed NOPE, but unfortunately they have the best altcoin market available out there, so people need them, more than bittrex, more than craptopia, more than polo.
01[23:30] <Spoetnik> be happy don't complain take the loss and make more bitcoin when you get ripped off ?
[23:30] <cryptsygotme> The sad thing is they know that, and is why they can get away with what they do.
01[23:30] <Spoetnik> did i get that right ?
[23:30] <cryptsygotme> I am logical, that is what is wrong with me.
01[23:30] <Spoetnik> ya wouldn't wanna stir up any drama
01[23:31] <Spoetnik> denial ? defending a thief ?
[23:31] <cryptsygotme> Drama is useless and causes panic. why deal with drama. I get enough drama from my kids.
01[23:31] <Spoetnik> because drama = people getting lied to AND ripped off !
[23:32] <cryptsygotme> <Spoetnik> denial ? defending a thief ? hey hey now, be careful you are about to contradict yourself on that one. Need I mention huubuu your buddy?
01[23:32] <Spoetnik> your only saying that so you can exploit them for your money.. then you will join in on the drama of course lol
[23:33] <cryptsygotme> Naah I don't do well with drama. Its hard to read thru to find the info we need to make informed decisions.
[23:33] <cryptsygotme> And no one is exploiting cryptsy that's for sure
01[23:33] <Spoetnik> i just don't know what to say to you typoe of guys
01[23:33] <Spoetnik> sure there is .. gusy like Terrik arb'ing
01[23:33] <Spoetnik> THAT is him exploiting it
01[23:34] <Spoetnik> drama is often guys losing their coins via fraud so you want them all to wander off quietly and not complain ?
01[23:35] <Spoetnik> and you wouldn't read it all so you know if the exchange you are on is not fraudulent ?
01[23:35] <Spoetnik> i would want to know if my exchange is ripping people off
[23:35] <cryptsygotme> Terrik is making money from the drama, that's how I see it. You can not blame a person for trying to make a profit can you. Did he create the drama, did he add to it? Did he try and lessen the drama? Do not get angry because a handful of people are actually making money form the drama.
01[23:36] <Spoetnik> ya actually he contributed to it.. he was on the Cryptsy lawsuit topic for quite a while
01[23:37] <Spoetnik> 50 pages back..
[23:37] <cryptsygotme> Please keep in mind how that thread started over there, because some guy was angry when he was to stupid to upgrade his tier. I made the same mistake, I didn't have to make a public spectacle of myself. I upgraded my tier and got my funds. I then told people how to solve the problem they had by doing what i did.
[23:38] <cryptsygotme> It is all a matter of how you address the situation and if you intentions are really to help people. Do not worry about the drama, help people get their funds out of there.
[23:40] <cryptsygotme> His million dollar mansion, and other crap he did in the past does not help save people, it does not help them get their funds out of cryptsy. It is just drama.
01[23:40] <Spoetnik> that is bullshit though
01[23:40] <Spoetnik> many people postulate the tier system was added simply to slow withdrawals
01[23:41] <Spoetnik> a valid assertion
[23:41] <cryptsygotme> No, that is logic no matter if you like it or not. You and huubuu have all that crap in that thread, but how many people have you actually helped. Like if I find the right coin to get my funds out of there I will share that info in chat with what my loss was, so peole can make an informed decision as to what they can do.
01[23:42] <Spoetnik> go ask them all yourself
01[23:42] <Spoetnik> seems to me us 2 helped ALL of you ge it through your head a REAL problem exists !
01[23:42] <Spoetnik> we got themerkyle web site to change it's mind LOL
[23:42] <cryptsygotme> People postulating and what really was happening could be 2 different things. None of us really know. That is the drama of the situation. Now if one of the admins says that, then its a fact.
01[23:42] <Spoetnik> now they warn people..
01[23:43] <Spoetnik> before they were saying it was just FUD
01[23:43] <Spoetnik> is your buddy waiting on 70 BTC speculation ?
[23:44] <cryptsygotme> notification of a problem wiothout a solution is not helping people, its making them aware. you guys started in with drama and factless knowledge, a hunch if you would. It did not help people, it created a panic.
01[23:44] <Spoetnik> ya it is..
01[23:44] <Spoetnik> it's called don't use XYZ sewrvice.. they will rip you off
[23:44] <cryptsygotme> No he is still waiting on his BTC. But he is not adding to the drama either.
01[23:45] <Spoetnik> the guy who helped found Cryptsy agrees with me on that too buddy
01[23:45] <Spoetnik> want me to qouote him ON that cryptsy lawsuit topic ?
01[23:45] <Spoetnik> your making dumb excuses not even Cryptsy would try and pull LOL
[23:45] <cryptsygotme> so a co founder told you the tier situation was created to ppurposely delay withdraws?
[23:46] <cryptsygotme> You seem to be ignoring logic.
01[23:46] <Spoetnik> no he told me the downfall of cryptsy was 50% in part not warning guys when coin problems happened etc..
01[23:46] <Spoetnik> AKA: you can send coins but they won't show up or you can't get them out after buying them etc
[23:46] <cryptsygotme> Finally a little common sense. everyone already knew that was an issue.
01[23:47] <Spoetnik> AKA: public info being posted
01[23:47] <Spoetnik> which is wait the topic is about.
01[23:47] <Spoetnik> warning people they can't get their coins out..
[23:47] <cryptsygotme> Listen, there are 2 sides to every war, no matter large or small. You are clearly against cryptsy, I am neither for nor against, i just have hopes it will all get fixed because I need the service.
01[23:48] <Spoetnik> no there is 1 side, the right one.
01[23:48] <Spoetnik> and Cryptsy staff have taken turns showing up on that topic admitting it.
[23:48] <cryptsygotme> you and your followers will believe what you wish, more logical peole will believe something different. the real truth of the situation is only the owners and admins really know whats going on.
01[23:48] <Spoetnik> the same topic you just said me and Gleb did nothing to help you all..
01[23:48] <Spoetnik> i was the one who got BJ over there to answer your questions.
01[23:49] <Spoetnik> Gleb got Jim & Horus over there to admit they have problems.. AKA warning you.
01[23:49] <Spoetnik> your welcome
[23:49] <cryptsygotme> Answer me, how many people have you specifically helpoed to find a way and get their funds off cryptsy, you can add me my doge withdraw did go thru.
01[23:49] <Spoetnik> plenty in a slew of ways
01[23:49] <Spoetnik> i was even helping you before as to what coins to use to withdraw
01[23:49] <Spoetnik> scroll up
01[23:50] <Spoetnik> besides my job is not Cryptsy tech support they have paid staff for that lol
[23:50] <cryptsygotme> I said <cryptsygotme> <snip> you can add me my doge withdraw did go th
01[23:50] <Spoetnik> my job is to warn guys arb'ing they are walking into a trap !
01[23:51] <Spoetnik> that is who matters to me the most.
01[23:51] <Spoetnik> they send them over they may not get them back out..
01[23:51] <Spoetnik> warning is fair no ?
[23:51] <cryptsygotme> so then yu get paid to throw opinion around then. Listen man you are either doing this to help people or not. the logic of your actions can not be manipulated by your own rationalizations.
01[23:51] <Spoetnik> that is the topic title no ?
01[23:52] <Spoetnik> at the forum ?
01[23:52] <Spoetnik> CRYPTSY stopping withdraw locking accounts without notifying users! Class Action
01[23:52] <Spoetnik> class action or not there is a problem admitted
01[23:52] <Spoetnik> by Cryptsy themselves
01[23:53] <Spoetnik> thanks to us
[23:53] <cryptsygotme> It is all good, thank you and <fasdfs> for the digecoin advice, i used them last week to but was hoping for a lesser loss on the arb thru another coin. but we need to use what we know will get our funds out of there.
01[23:53] <Spoetnik> and bumping the topic is fair because it's been 3 months and the problems are getting worse not better
[23:53] <cryptsygotme> Ok thank you for all your great help I am sure someone out there appreciates the information.
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01[23:54] <Spoetnik> stop using them you are playing with fire man !
