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February 05, 2016, 12:58:52 AM
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I have no memory of anyone saying iota was finished prior to crowd sale.

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Development. The crowdsale funds will be used for further development and finalization of the IOTA software as well as development of the Jinn hardware processor which will strengthen and help bootstrap the network in its growing phase. Additionally funds will be used on marketing efforts to help nurture the growth of the IOTA network and  community.

Calm yo-self, sir!



Very well respected community members, and what of this:

ball park eta til you have something in the wild?

By Christmas.

The phrase "in the wild" means only one thing. Is IOTA in the wild? No.

And there are more.

Yes the project should be made as good as possible.
No, the release time dates were not accurate .

What can I say? Somebody screwed up I guess?


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February 05, 2016, 01:00:15 AM
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This is a very valuable discussion.

I can understand both sides, but the general direction where this is heading worries me.

@IOTA Team, when you guys anounced the crowdsale, you made implications that IOTA was pretty fucking close to beeing ready to launch
and said that we can expect beta before christmas, now the release date for beta was postponed many times, today is febuary 5th and there
is no useable version of IOTA released ( no I dont consider 0.3.0 usable, unless you can figure out how to build a vaild transaction just by looking at the undocumented,
unannotated source code, you really cant expect that )

People not only gave you half a million USD but also gave you shitloads of trust.
Trust in you, your team, your company, your product.

Can you not understand that that trust becomes a bit fragile when you fail to meet expections set by yourself?
 - You said IOTA was close to being lauched, now you ask how basic things should be implemented.
 - repeatedly postponing release dates.

Can you not understand that that trust becomes a bit fragile considering that the general management of this project is unprofessional?
 - I signed up for the email newsletter, never got an email
 - http://collect.iotatoken.com/ TO THIS DAY shows outdated information, you said you were going to change that multiple times.
 - I said this before - no streamlined way of communication - where can i find updates and information? here? ryver? twitter? email? outdated collect.iotatoken website? not even once updated iotatoken website?
 - David once said this is because it is better to have people seek information themselfes, I agree, but if you continue running this project this way people will just stop giving a shit.

How can you look at how the IOTA community is loosing trust and faith In you and not think "Well, thats a little bit our fault"

And then you dare to say things like

right now the level of involvement is pretty upsetting.

Try to take a wild guess as to why.

You should be happy the community has been so patient with you.

But hey, whatever, its not like you actually care about the community and IOTA beeing a great product

I'm just a hired coder in a company that created Iota.

If thats truly all you are then what happens after IOTA is released?
Will your poisition change from "lead dev" to "senior i dont give a shit anymore developer" ?


Honestly I am rather dissapointed.
Dosnt mean i have lost all faith in IOTA, just means I want to point out things that could have been done better.
This all boils down to failure of communication, communicate in a more professional, clear, unambiguous way
this could become the best crypto currency and crypto currency community ever.


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February 05, 2016, 01:02:32 AM
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^thank you so much - you have no idea. i need sleep and at least YOU GET IT

thanks

EDIT: dammit thats a good post - good for you. seriously.

@CfB - you want community? you got it.

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February 05, 2016, 01:07:18 AM
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Dude.

I will hold some long-term,

but relying on me and people like me to make highly sophisticated technical decisions at short notice is not the way forward.

you are the guru and you lead the way. So,

Lead Us

Heh, these were not technical questions, I just asked what features you'd like to see in Iota. Regarding leading, I'm just a hired coder in a company that created Iota.

OK

I guess I am the only guy here who actually thought that when you raised nearly $500,000 you had a product ready to go. I could easily quote material which would have led to this conclusion.
You raised the funds on the basis you had been working on this for a year
I am dumbfounded that at this stage you come to the community to ask these technical Q's
And yes they are technical

Less is more.


PS what company?





I guess you were not part of the Etherum sale.

FOR RENT.
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February 05, 2016, 01:15:20 AM
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I guess you were not part of the Etherum sale.


I wsa and screw you complete dick. There is no fucking comparison. They were clear .CfB was not.

@CfB: Do what you said you were going to do. Before I lose my goddamned mind just do it. Be a good chap. This is me being nice. Thanks


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February 05, 2016, 01:29:12 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side of this, but I will vote for a delay to optimize or enhance. Six months from now, no one will remember whether it was launched on time or with several days' or a week's delay.

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February 05, 2016, 01:31:49 AM
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Oh please, STFU already... babbling on and on. We already heard you. You don't like the wait, then get the heck out - sell your share(s). You're just making noise and no one here gives a crap about your position or how much of IOTA you want to convert to ETH.

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The obvious answer to the proposed delay is SECURITY over user convenience - do not release without the proper tests in place. All things considered, I rather the protocol be as polished as possible and as secure as possible - all else we can deal with on a "as it happens" basis.

Not interested in 1-2 month ROI, I'm interested on year 5-10 ROI and protocol stability/use.  







I guess you were not part of the Etherum sale.


I wsa and screw you complete dick. There is no fucking comparison. They were clear .CfB was not.

@CfB: Do what you said you were going to do. Before I lose my goddamned mind just do it. Be a good chap. This is me being nice. Thanks
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February 05, 2016, 01:35:34 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side

My point exactly. Who among us is? Like maybe two guys. Ridiculous. This is utter nonsense.





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ball park eta til you have something in the wild?

By Christmas.


Where did I go wrong?

 Angry

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February 05, 2016, 01:57:17 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side

My point exactly. Who among us is? Like maybe two guys. Ridiculous. This is utter nonsense.





Here:


ball park eta til you have something in the wild?

By Christmas.


Where did I go wrong?

 Angry

I always thought eta was estimated time of arrival. I always thought the definition of ballpark was "a non specific general guess".

You and your sockpuppets aren't funny anymore. Come on seriously stop it guy(s). It was funny at first. This coin is not going to go live
when there are technical, optimization, and/or security related issues on the table just to satisfy a small stake holder.
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February 05, 2016, 02:04:30 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side

My point exactly. Who among us is? Like maybe two guys. Ridiculous. This is utter nonsense.





Here:


ball park eta til you have something in the wild?

By Christmas.


Where did I go wrong?

 Angry

I always thought eta was estimated time of arrival. I always thought the definition of ballpark was "a non specific general guess".

You and your sockpuppets aren't funny anymore. Come on seriously stop it guy(s). It was funny at first. This coin is not going to go live
when there are technical, optimization, and/or security related issues on the table just to satisfy a small stake holder.

Yes we all know what an ETA is.

I use an account Wanderlust when Im afk. Thats all

To reply: I have always thought the phrase "By Christmas" as meaning by Christmas.




And Christmas came up many times btw:

Any ETA for first release?

~Christmas


I believe I'm vindicated and that genesis be initiated.

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February 05, 2016, 02:22:08 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side

My point exactly. Who among us is? Like maybe two guys. Ridiculous. This is utter nonsense.





Here:


ball park eta til you have something in the wild?

By Christmas.


Where did I go wrong?

 Angry

I always thought eta was estimated time of arrival. I always thought the definition of ballpark was "a non specific general guess".

You and your sockpuppets aren't funny anymore. Come on seriously stop it guy(s). It was funny at first. This coin is not going to go live
when there are technical, optimization, and/or security related issues on the table just to satisfy a small stake holder.

Yes we all know what an ETA is.

I use an account Wanderlust when Im afk. Thats all

To reply: I have always thought the phrase "By Christmas" as meaning by Christmas.




And Christmas came up many times btw:

Any ETA for first release?

~Christmas


I believe I'm vindicated and that genesis be initiated.


Bye. Sorry to see you go.

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February 05, 2016, 02:29:16 AM
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otherwise Im out

yay! More IOTAs for the rest of us!

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February 05, 2016, 02:37:24 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side of this, but I will vote for a delay to optimize or enhance. Six months from now, no one will remember whether it was launched on time or with several days' or a week's delay.

Completely agree!
Big innovative projects will not be made all at once. In Ethereum it has, as it was written, and lasted more than 1 year, to the simple console was ready.

What was promised? So, now running the version. 0.3.0, later comes GUI, I have no problem with it. Incidentally, "golden rule" invest just so much what you can lose. And read please terms.
There are indeed massive amounts of fast pump'n'dump shit coins. Reputable projects therefore need time and energy.

Just Do it!

How long about the extra work it will take? Smiley

Several days, but they fit into beta testing period and won't delay the release. The question is about doing that last moment change or not.
If it's good for IOTA long term secure running,I did not see the reason why not do it.
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February 05, 2016, 02:47:07 AM
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Can you explain the potential problem.  What do you mean by worse consensus convergence, in this case?

If a balance is 100 IOTA and there are two payments - for 70 and 80, then which one to accept as legit? With input/output system ambiguity is impossible.

1. The delays are bad.

2. Isn't the bolded portion above the most important? Can you say, "its impossible" the other way? So far you haven't.

3. Where is Iotatoken during all of this.

You are already pulling off a miracle if this works. Many doubt it's possible.

Proceed with the original plan you have had a year to think about.

This new path seems dangerous because this is a highly evolved approach to say the least. Last minute changes that are not needed for success is reckless when you are attempting something so difficult.

You only need to show this works, and the rest is history.

ChildHerald may want to sell, but he is correct about changing this last minute.

Unless there is a danger of Iota being broken, such a change isn't worth it.

Let's not get greedy now.

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February 05, 2016, 03:47:22 AM
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Can you explain the potential problem.  What do you mean by worse consensus convergence, in this case?

If a balance is 100 IOTA and there are two payments - for 70 and 80, then which one to accept as legit? With input/output system ambiguity is impossible.

1. The delays are bad.

2. Isn't the bolded portion above the most important? Can you say, "its impossible" the other way? So far you haven't.

3. Where is Iotatoken during all of this.

You are already pulling off a miracle if this works. Many doubt it's possible.

Proceed with the original plan you have had a year to think about.

This new path seems dangerous because this is a highly evolved approach to say the least. Last minute changes that are not needed for success is reckless when you are attempting something so difficult.

You only need to show this works, and the rest is history.

ChildHerald may want to sell, but he is correct about changing this last minute.

Unless there is a danger of Iota being broken, such a change isn't worth it.

Let's not get greedy now.

@rlh
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Here's a suggestion.

STOP WHINING.

A few more days doesn't matter. If you can't deal with it leave. Go. No one is going to miss complainers. Come back when this is a 10+ million dollar project in a few weeks/months. Or don't come back at all. But just stop all the whining.

CFB asked the community for its opinion. Most said yes, ok. A few said no. But the few that said no are being loud and posting long blocks of texts, and are acting like babies that think if they scream they get their way. Doesn't work like that. Sorry. So go have a drink, go for a run, get a massage, or whatever calms you down and relax.

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February 05, 2016, 04:44:56 AM
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Everyone who said no, has zero knowledge technically what its about. Besides, all the no's are multi accounts of same guy.

Everything child_harold says makes you scratch your head and go huh? I won't be sad when he and his small stake (to him big stake) are sold.

Well to be fair all of us guys think our small stakes are bigger than they are.  Grin
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February 05, 2016, 05:06:42 AM
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CfB do what you think is the best for IOTA,

like you always do Smiley

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February 05, 2016, 05:12:23 AM
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I am not qualified to weigh in on the technical side

My point exactly. Who among us is? Like maybe two guys. Ridiculous. This is utter nonsense.





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ball park eta til you have something in the wild?

By Christmas.


Where did I go wrong?

 Angry


we have time till Christmas 25/12  or 7.1 Smiley

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February 05, 2016, 05:26:24 AM
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Remember the early days of NXT on Bitcointalk? So many technical, complex issues discussed by the community and hardly anyone talking about price. It's an amazing piece of work. I thought IOTA would be like that, but a lot of people here are too interested in a quick ROI for having done nothing but participate in the sale.

I do remember, this is because of the way the devs decided to communicate with us, using closed community chat (Ryver), nothing I'm interested in.

I'm ready to help, to run multiple nodes, but I want publicly accessible information to development status, open discussion and signed releases, when this happens I will gladly participate.

I'm fine with postponing the release if it means that the platform will be better, anyone who ever developed something will understand that.
As for the decision how the accounts should work - I'd say go with what's more secure.

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February 05, 2016, 05:47:27 AM
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Can you explain the potential problem.  What do you mean by worse consensus convergence, in this case?

If a balance is 100 IOTA and there are two payments - for 70 and 80, then which one to accept as legit? With input/output system ambiguity is impossible.

1. The delays are bad.

2. Isn't the bolded portion above the most important? Can you say, "its impossible" the other way? So far you haven't.

3. Where is Iotatoken during all of this.

You are already pulling off a miracle if this works. Many doubt it's possible.

Proceed with the original plan you have had a year to think about.

This new path seems dangerous because this is a highly evolved approach to say the least. Last minute changes that are not needed for success is reckless when you are attempting something so difficult.

You only need to show this works, and the rest is history.

ChildHerald may want to sell, but he is correct about changing this last minute.

Unless there is a danger of Iota being broken, such a change isn't worth it.

Let's not get greedy now.

@rlh
Go with your gut


Here's a suggestion.

STOP WHINING.

A few more days doesn't matter. If you can't deal with it leave. Go. No one is going to miss complainers. Come back when this is a 10+ million dollar project in a few weeks/months. Or don't come back at all. But just stop all the whining.

CFB asked the community for its opinion. Most said yes, ok. A few said no. But the few that said no are being loud and posting long blocks of texts, and are acting like babies that think if they scream they get their way. Doesn't work like that. Sorry. So go have a drink, go for a run, get a massage, or whatever calms you down and relax.

Maybe some people are whining. That happens when there are delays. Its to be expected.

However. Other than stating my opinion that the delays are bad, and they are, thats not what Im worried about.

You see, you quoted me, when you made your post.

Understand, other than the fact that I dislike the negatives like tons of whining, and looking unprofessional, that delays bring, I could really care less if it takes awhile longer.

The problem is that we are not talking about taking our time here anyway.

CFB asked a question and I answered.

Its a bad idea IMO.

Read my post again and you will see that I am against a last minute change, and most likely the change itself unless CFB can say ambiguity is an impossibility

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