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February 04, 2016, 11:02:07 PM
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we r already late and CfB has had enuff time - improvements come later

Such kind of improvements can't be added later unless someone just launches Iota 2.
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February 04, 2016, 11:02:33 PM
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I thought we couldn't do the release without beta testing but if you and the others insist... I don't mind.

My vote is to wait and implement. No matters the times it takes. This is not a race.

Thanks Cfb for your hard work.
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February 04, 2016, 11:05:31 PM
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Just Do it!

How long about the extra work it will take? Smiley

Several days, but they fit into beta testing period and won't delay the release. The question is about doing that last moment change or not.

how can a last moment change ever be good?

as I said i really thought (and can evidence why) we'd be rocking and rolling by now so to be having these convos at this time leaves me infuriated beyond words (at least english ones)

asking the community to make technical decisions at short notice is fucking idiotic IMO and makes me very worried

I stand by that.

DO some testing and launch ASAP please.

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February 04, 2016, 11:05:58 PM
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Just Do it!

How long about the extra work it will take? Smiley

Several days, but they fit into beta testing period and won't delay the release. The question is about doing that last moment change or not.
If it's good for IOTA long term secure running,I did not see the reason why not do it.
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February 04, 2016, 11:09:03 PM
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Please.

Enough of the enigmatic monosyllabic replies

I propose that we launch immediately and push improvements into future forks. Can we rock the genesis or not?

I believe the ICO literature proposed a launch post xmas (2015)? Or am I once more mistaken?

No more delays. You have had plenty of time to prepare and you raised nearly $500,000 so can finish your masterpiece as we go. savvy?

FUCK IT. IM RIGHT.

I thought we couldn't do the release without beta testing but if you and the others insist... I don't mind.

As an IOTA holder, I want it released when it is ready. If the lead developer (?) CFB thinks we need beta testing (as is standard for any software ever in history) then I want it done. If he wants to make a change pre-release that will improve the overall product (and can't be hard forked?) then it should be done without a doubt.

Personally, I think having the mainnet also running as the current beta testing on initial launch if FUCKING ridiculous. Child_harold's personal agenda's are his business. It's unfortunate that IOTA isn't slotting into his plan but that's the reality of software development (delays and missed deadlines).

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February 04, 2016, 11:16:59 PM
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Please.

Enough of the enigmatic monosyllabic replies

I propose that we launch immediately and push improvements into future forks. Can we rock the genesis or not?

I believe the ICO literature proposed a launch post xmas (2015)? Or am I once more mistaken?

No more delays. You have had plenty of time to prepare and you raised nearly $500,000 so can finish your masterpiece as we go. savvy?

FUCK IT. IM RIGHT.

I thought we couldn't do the release without beta testing but if you and the others insist... I don't mind.

As an IOTA holder, I want it released when it is ready. If the lead developer (?) CFB thinks we need beta testing (as is standard for any software ever in history) then I want it done.

Personally, I think having the mainnet also running as the current beta testing on initial launch if FUCKING ridiculous. Child_harold's personal agenda's are his business. It's unfortunate that IOTA isn't slotting into his plan but that's the reality of software development (delays and missed deadlines).


Yes we need beta testing . But all these Q's like:

Should I release SC's?
or
Should I make it like Ethereum?
or whatever

How the fuck should I know? I rely on CfB to make the executive decision and to certainly have made it by now! Am I crazy??
CfB expresses disappointment about community activity? i haven't even had a chance yet…

this was one year in the making and thes Q's are raised now? this is dubious and I think David will concur.

Lets march on as expected

The crowdsale was made on the premise that genesis would have already been launched.
Bottom-line: there is an obligation here, unless of course I misunderstood the terms.

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February 04, 2016, 11:21:04 PM
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But all these Q's like:

should I release SC's
or
Should I make it like Ethereum
or whatever

How the fuck should I know?

I don't know how but you should know what you want Iota to be. At least if you are going to hold some long-term.
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February 04, 2016, 11:23:00 PM
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But all these Q's like:

should I release SC's
or
Should I make it like Ethereum
or whatever

How the fuck should I know?

I don't know how but you should know what you want Iota to be. At least if you are going to hold some long-term.

Dude.

I will hold some long-term,

but relying on me and people like me to make highly sophisticated technical decisions at short notice is not the way forward.

you are the guru and you lead the way. So,

Lead Us

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February 04, 2016, 11:25:52 PM
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Dude.

I will hold some long-term,

but relying on me and people like me to make highly sophisticated technical decisions at short notice is not the way forward.

you are the guru and you lead the way. So,

Lead Us

Heh, these were not technical questions, I just asked what features you'd like to see in Iota. Regarding leading, I'm just a hired coder in a company that created Iota.
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February 04, 2016, 11:40:57 PM
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Hey, guys and gals. I'd like to get your feedback on the following:

In it's current implementation Iota's ledger is based on inputs and outputs like Bitcoin. There is another way - balances of accounts like in Nxt and Ethereum.

Now I see that if Iota used the latter it would be more efficient because:
1. No need to send the change back to myself which makes the tangle smaller
2. A lot of dust inputs could be spent with a single payment and this would be more secure because every address reuse leaks the private key
3. A new address wouldn't be needed for every incoming payment (this would make acceptance of Iota donations simple, in the current design it's PITA for humans)
4. Off-tangle payments would become simpler
5. RAM requirement for full nodes would be relaxed

The only problem that might arise in balance-based Iota is worse consensus convergence, but after analyzing the issue I don't see what could break.

I'm thinking if it's worth to do a little redesign that could take few days of extra work...

I would rather see a working implementation quicker and we can make decisions on presentation of balances later.
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February 04, 2016, 11:45:16 PM
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Dude.

I will hold some long-term,

but relying on me and people like me to make highly sophisticated technical decisions at short notice is not the way forward.

you are the guru and you lead the way. So,

Lead Us

Heh, these were not technical questions, I just asked what features you'd like to see in Iota. Regarding leading, I'm just a hired coder in a company that created Iota.

But you already proved in Nxt leaders are needed. And a big % of IOTA holders like me have no technical knowledge to make this kind of decissions.
When you ask if you should do one or the other, you shouldnt mention it will take a few days extra, because it is not relevant in the decission making process to take the better option.
Would anyone care if now they told them what if Nxt released x.x version 4 days earlier? As with this, long term it would make almost 0 difference.

And because 2 investors are nervous to sell and are here flaming, dont do what they said, because there have been many more who silently said they just want the best option for iota.

Just take the option that should work better for IOTA.
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February 04, 2016, 11:48:41 PM
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Dude.

I will hold some long-term,

but relying on me and people like me to make highly sophisticated technical decisions at short notice is not the way forward.

you are the guru and you lead the way. So,

Lead Us

Heh, these were not technical questions, I just asked what features you'd like to see in Iota. Regarding leading, I'm just a hired coder in a company that created Iota.

OK

I guess I am the only guy here who actually thought that when you raised nearly $500,000 you had a product ready to go. I could easily quote material which would have led to this conclusion.
You raised the funds on the basis you had been working on this for a year
I am dumbfounded that at this stage you come to the community to ask these technical Q's
And yes they are technical

Less is more.


PS what company?




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February 04, 2016, 11:50:24 PM
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And because 2 investors are nervous to sell and are here flaming, dont do what they said, because there have been many more who silently said they just want the best option for iota.


really? the only thing making me nervous is CfB, as of earlier today.

CfB raised  $1/2 million last xmas because he had something. where is it? and why are we dicking around with technical details in early Feb?

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February 05, 2016, 12:07:52 AM
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You do realize it will take weeks (potentially longer) for Iota to get on an exchange.  We need a stable client with no major bugs. 

I really like the idea of having an account, like ETH and Nxt, (reusable address) my vote is go in that direction.
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February 05, 2016, 12:31:53 AM
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"Just take the option that should work better for IOTA."


+1
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February 05, 2016, 12:33:01 AM
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You do realize it will take weeks (potentially longer) for Iota to get on an exchange.  We need a stable client with no major bugs. 

I really like the idea of having an account, like ETH and Nxt, (reusable address) my vote is go in that direction.

I completely agree. The convenience of reusable addresses far out ways the extra few days wait. The functionality of IOTA should most definitely come ahead of how soon we can sell it on an exchange! Make the change cfb.

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February 05, 2016, 12:37:53 AM
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Remember the early days of NXT on Bitcointalk? So many technical, complex issues discussed by the community and hardly anyone talking about price. It's an amazing piece of work. I thought IOTA would be like that, but a lot of people here are too interested in a quick ROI for having done nothing but participate in the sale.

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February 05, 2016, 12:39:49 AM
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I have no memory of anyone saying iota was finished prior to crowd sale.

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Development. The crowdsale funds will be used for further development and finalization of the IOTA software as well as development of the Jinn hardware processor which will strengthen and help bootstrap the network in its growing phase. Additionally funds will be used on marketing efforts to help nurture the growth of the IOTA network and  community.

Calm yo-self, sir!

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February 05, 2016, 12:46:59 AM
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Remember the early days of NXT on Bitcointalk? So many technical, complex issues discussed by the community and hardly anyone talking about price. It's an amazing piece of work. I thought IOTA would be like that, but a lot of people here are too interested in a quick ROI for having done nothing but participate in the sale.
There's always going to be people like that nothing you can do. Just ignore them. They contribute nothing and are only thinking of themselves.

Isn't it obvious people like that don't care. He wants it out the door now to sell the promise of a bitcoin killer to dump at big profit.
It matters not to him if IOTA is broken. Clearly he demonstrated that. Just ignore him. Ignore everybody, including me.
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February 05, 2016, 12:54:03 AM
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I'm fine. Just take time do it to make a possible better Iota.
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